Dialogue leads to breakthrough in relations between Jews, LDS

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  • Temporarily Temporal Golconda, NV
    Nov. 16, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    I admit to not understanding.

    I feel the Church has caved in on this matter because of continuous misinterpretations from many in the Jewish community. My reasons are:

    1) "They would not have chosen to be baptized in life."

    FACT: Mr.Foxman CANNOT KNOW if any of those being baptized would have accepted - were they all asked in life? This violates the LDS doctrine of Agency.

    2) "new computer systems and policies ... prevent ... Holocaust victims from being included in LDS lists for proxy baptisms."

    QUESTION: Does this mean that I could not put in the name of one of *my* ancestors because someone else (not related) objects? This violates the LDS concepts of family and patriarchal order.

    3) "...rejects the Jewish belief..."

    FACT: Proxy baptism is a unique LDS belief. Since no others believe it, stoping it for this reason means stopping ALL proxy baptisms.

    4) "...Holocaust victims were born Jews, lived as Jews, and died because they were Jews."

    FACT: Millions of Holocaust victims were Jews, but NOT ALL. Sadly, many commentators neglect to mention that other groups were also targeted ruthlessly. The Holocaust was a Human tragedy, not a "Jewish" tragedy. Thus, LDS saving ordinances should be available.

  • Jimmy James Bronx, NY
    Nov. 8, 2010 7:52 p.m.

    I too am grateful that a resolution has been found to this problem. However, what troubles me is that Mr. Foxman's justification of why he opposes the practice also shows a complete lack of understanding of the practice. I quote:

    1) Not only does it feel like an act of intolerance, but it rejects Jewish belief

    Posthumous baptisms DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE MORMON! It simply offers them the choice. I personally see no difference between Baptisms for the dead and when I was a missionary and knocked on people's doors asking if I could share a message. Just as most people at the door said "no", I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is the same on the other side. It does not represent intolerance or make people reject their religion.

    2) posthumous baptizing of Holocaust victims insidiously legitimizes Holocaust denial In 40 years, people checking on the Internet would not see Holocaust victims, but baptized Mormons.

    How are people finding this information? I don't know of a way to look on the internet to see everyone who's been posthumously baptized. Couldn't that information very easily be made private by the church?

  • John K Carmichael, CA
    Nov. 8, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    The Anti-Defamation League speaks up for all.

  • heartwings Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    It's wonderful a resolution has been made. I hope all LDS will follow the guidelines for baptism and not try to bypass the rules. We all want to be honored for our beliefs.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Nov. 7, 2010 10:31 p.m.

    I am so glad that our Jewish cousins recognize us in a similar light, regarding the anti-Mormon sentiment in this so-called enlightened nation.
    Although we have never come within a fraction of the types of collective trials the Jews have faced, over the centuries, we have a lot of similarities.
    The irony is, I believe Mitt's father, George, had been treated much more fairly, during the 1964 presidential race, than during our so-called, more "tolerant" times of today, when his son, Mitt, campaigned two years ago.
    In some ways, we are regressing more towards a slight Dark Ages, in terms of acceptance in this country.
    Mr. Foxman once commented that we need to consider our own anti-defamation league. I believe that time has come. No one else will defend us. And our Jewish friends certainly have their own hands full.

  • chuckles55 Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 8:58 p.m.

    As the man in charge of the Jewish Anti-defamation League, Mr Foxman certainly should understand what is offensive to the Jewish people. He succincly lays out his case for no proxy baptisms for those involved in the Holocaust. I am glad that the leaders of the LDS church hav put into place safeguards to keep from offending the families of these individuals in the future. No matter our beliefs, I believe we should honor the requests of the Jewish people in this matter and let them worship "how, where or what they may".

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    This is good.

    Now- If only we could do the same with Islam, buddahists, Hindis and the rest of Christianity.....

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    Two points:

    1. Proxy baptisms do not violate the moral agency of those for whom they are done. In the spirit world they may accept or reject the proxy ordinances.

    2. Making peace here on earth in the absence of all the facts about who is right or wrong regarding the requirements for salvation is a good thing.