Embrace politics, avoid the nastiness, judge says

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Nov. 8, 2010 3:18 p.m.

    Well, Rifleman did not provide the quote word-for-word. This is it word-for-word.
    "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."
    I would point out that special interests=people who feel strongly about an issue and have thus joined together to promote their view.
    The case Mr. Obama has attacked on multiple occasions, Citizens United, involved a group of like-minded individuals being banned from promoting their film about Hilary Clinton. The justice department people admitted that the way the law was written it could be used the ban the printing and distribution of a book.
    In a country where we value free speech, we do not ban books.
    Remember, Obama is the one who has attacked the Supreme Court for overturning a law that allowed for the banning of books.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Nov. 8, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    Griffeth was my stake president for part of the time I was at BYU. He was a very good stake president.

    On the matter of having civility in politicis, we can achieve that only when we each decide we will be the civil person. It is not a question of who started the nasty, dirty side of politics, but who is going to be the one to stop it.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 7:33 p.m.

    @Rifleman: I Googled the quote, and it turns out Obama was comparing the economy to a car the Republicans had driven into a ditch. Here's a transcript of what Obama ACTUALLY said:

    PRESIDENT: "After pushing and pushing over these last 20 months, finally we've got that car out of the ditch. Now, the car is a little dented up. The fender is a little busted. It needs a tune-up. But it's moving. It's pointing in the right direction. We're on level ground now. We're starting to make repairs. And suddenly we get a tap on our shoulder and we look back and who is it? It's the Republicans. And they say -- what are they saying? -- they say, we want the keys back.

    They can't have the keys back. They don't know how to drive. They can ride with us if they want, but they got to get in the back seat. Because we want to go forward. We don't want the special interests riding shotgun. We want working families, middle-class families, up front. They're our priority."

    Kinda different from your inflammatory version.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 5, 2010 5:54 p.m.

    To well meaning folks like Joe Watts all you have to do is Google "Republicans are welcome to ride but they've got to sit in the back of the bus" without the quotes and verify it for yourself.

    And no, Obama wasn't joking when he said it.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    My2Cents: the person who is the most blustery and openly emotional has already lost the argument.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    'Judge Thomas B. Griffith said members of the LDS Church have a style all their own in many aspects of life. "I wish we had a style of our own in politics as well," he said.' - Article -'Pagan | 11:23 a.m.

    Apologies. I was not done.

    Prop 8, CA, 2008
    Amendment 3, UT, 2004
    Civil Unions, HI, 1994

    We have examples of a 'style' here. Some just choose to ignore it.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 11:23 a.m.

    'Judge Thomas B. Griffith said members of the LDS Church have a style all their own in many aspects of life. "I wish we had a style of our own in politics as well," he said.' - Article

  • Joe Watts Holladay, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    To Rifleman,

    Perhaps you are badly misinformed and are repeating a fabricated quote by Fox News or Rush Limbaugh. They are particularly good at putting unsaid words in the mouths of their objects of disdain.

    That certainly doesn't sound at all like President Obama who is about the only one in America who has maintained a civil, open and fair conversation despite all the mean, untrue, vicious lies being spread about him by his 'extremist' opponents.

    If he did say it then it had to be in jest, or in humor, and has been deliberately taken out of context.

    His patience with his uncivil opponents has been remarkable----a model for us all to follow.

    Yes, it is hard to respond to incivility with civility---but Obama has mastered it.

    Obama has enormous character strengths that we should all emulate. The judge could very well have used him as a positive example of political civility.

    In fact, most of the presidents since Eisenhower have been models of political civility, and two of the greatest were Carter and Reagan.

    I will commit to the judge to try to do better, but oh it so hard not to respond in kind.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    BYU students get to listen to so many great speakers. I would have liked to hear the full talk. It looks like this man has a lot of wisdom to share.

    But I find myself doubting when people suggest that politics are nastier now than in the past. I tend to agree with Liberal Ted that today's instant access to information gives us a heightened awareness of the world around us and leads us to believe that things are different.

    One only needs to do a little study to realize that politics were nasty even in the 18th century. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson each said some terrible things about the other. It is a miracle considering some ot the things said that members of the Constitional Congress did not kill one another.

    Go back and look at some of the things that JFK and LBJ and Nixon said about others. They just didn't have a reporter with the internet to broadcast every little word to the world.

    But a long history of vile words does not cancel out the wise advice of this judge. We should be kind in all that we say.

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Nov. 5, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    Perhaps he has read 2 Nephi 26:32 where we are commanded not to contend one with another.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 7:57 a.m.

    Actually, Rifleman, he was problem referring to some of the really nasty things people like Sarah Palin, Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Rand Paul, and their ilk were saying.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 5, 2010 6:21 a.m.

    Perhaps the judge is referring to the comment from Obama that "Republicans are welcome to ride but they've got to sit in the back of the bus".

    Had a white man said that he'd be labeled a racist.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 6:11 a.m.

    Politics was very nasty long before today. It's just made more public with the web and other forms of media. Otherwise we might have heard more how all of the Kennedys slept around and cheated on their wives or other disgraceful acts carried on by politicians on every aisle.

    If media would start asking tough questions and actually informing the public, that would be a big help. Instead the state sponsered media works to tear down conservatives and vice versa. There truly isn't an independent voice that is just getting you the facts. Everyone has an agenda or a special interest group behind them.

    Voters have allowed this to happen. We need to stop consuming this information and demand a higher level of reporting from media.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 3:55 a.m.

    Being nice and civility only works in your Sunday church meeting. Being nice to anyone anymore means you are a putz and ripe to be ripped off by the state and government forces eager to rip every last dime from your pocket.

    Being nice and civil is only for those who can afford a lawyer. A judge with no passion is a waste.

    Look at what being nice has cost Utah in Welfare and foreign aid to illegal foreign nationals, billions of dollars a year tax fraud, excessive government spending, and using tax funds to maintain illegal alien work force in underground society's ready to leap at any underpaid job that comes to Utah.

    Being nice costs us our liberties, freedoms, and rights, so its not an option. Being civil is not an option. However, respect is an option and this is what this speaker and government should be talking about.

    And I have no respect for this man or any man saying I should give up my passions to preserve my rights and country from invasion and injustice.

    Being nice and civil is the act of a coward who is unwilling to stand up for his country.