Brinkmanship or statesmanship?

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  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Nov. 6, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    First off, the story of Obama spending $200 million a day and travelling with 34 war ships has already been throughly debunked. It was an anonymous rumor on the Internet that Fox News immediately ran with.

    Now that the Republicans have to actually try to govern, their honeymoon is going to end very fast. Health care reform isn't going anywhere (Obama still has his veto pen and the votes just aren't there in the Senate) and the new members of Congress aren't going to have the power and seniority to change very much. As a result, the Tea Partiers will soon be calling treason and the GOP will have a very nasty civil war for the presidental nomination. The independents who supported them will see two years of infighting and political posturing and go back to the Democrats, and Obama will be reelected in 2010. Just my prediction...

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    The first goal should not be getting Obama out of office. If that is the Republican view, they will face the same angry voters in 2012. WAKE UP and get the spending under control! Also, quit treating Congress like it's an exclusive club-you work for us! Repeal the retirement package and no more exemptions from the laws you pass for the rest of us.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Nov. 4, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    You wish for a good thing, D News. Unfortunately, Obama and the Democrats have ruled with the proverbial iron fist, virtually ignoring the GOP and pushing through a plethora of liberal pet projects in the name of dealing with the recession. For his Obama-ness to now speak of "working together" is likely to fall on deaf GOP ears. I hope, like you do, that partisanship can be set aside for the common good. Just don't stand on your head waiting for it to happen.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    I have rarely seen an editorial with less basis in fact. The Brits have certainly not moved to the center at least fiscally. Rather they are defunding extensive portions of the their welfare state,and reducing public expenses. The PM has led this effort and it was the conservative election platform to which the Liberals agreed in order to have some power. The current US President neither has the political mandate for such an effort in the US or the personal political philosophy to provide such a platform. The citizens of the country will continue to see blockage of every effort in the House to accomplish any real reform and without this the economic malaise will continue.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 4, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    "Let them eat cake."

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 4, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    To "Live Hard | 10:40 p.m." you are wrong, he is spending $2 billion, taking 34 war ships, and 3000 people with him. Just to see their festival of lights.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 11:54 p.m.

    CJ The president has already compromised. At least he is not totally bought off and brainwashed by the biggest exploiters in the history of man. There has never been a wealthier class of people and you call it socialism to have them pay more in taxes, (by the way a tax rate they were familiar with, since they made millions in the process of paying those taxes). What are you people really afraid of.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 7:56 p.m.

    Obama is not a statesman, he is a committed socialist ideologue. If you think he is going to compromise and do what is best for the country you are insane. This guy thinks everyone who makes a profit of any kind is evil and needs to be controlled and that the government is the solution to everything. He is not going to do anything other than stick to his radical agenda. Thank heavens the Republicans got in to neutralize this guy who should never have been elected in the first place.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 4:46 p.m.


    Agreed. My point is not the direction we are headed, although direction is fundamental and extremely important. It's the ability to get the job done.

    History shows society, issues, events and circumstances change, although certain basic human principles never do. Regarding the Constitution, let's try harder to distinguish between the two.

    Biology shows that people cannot solve problems effectively w/o some level of cooperation and coordination, in a family, a company or a nation. Persuasion at gun point is an oxymoron.

    In a strong dictatorship "my way or the highway" is a very effective governance technique as long as you can maintain power through force. It is not only a question of the rightness of your direction, it is a question of power, and the ability to execute effectively long term.

    Absolutes, don't work in a democratic republic where not everyone agrees on the direction to take. Better to get 75% than nothing. The current slash and burn political pendulum cannot achieve limited government. The idea that gridlock will achieve limited government is as wrong headed as it is cynical. Changing course requires action and compromise, not stalemate. Improvement perhaps, not perfection. Just watch...

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    I'm all for "finding common ground." As long as the common ground means limiting the size and power of the federal govenrment and stopping the insane spending! Then we can talk, otherwise lets just agree to disagree.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    It's hard to imagine how such simple principles of human nature can be so misunderstood by so many. Common myths:

    1) Politicians don't listen.

    The truth: Oh yes they do, and with itching ears represent the will of their base who elect them. The voters are saying, don't listen, don't budge, but from opposite sides of the coin.

    2) To the conservative: Compromise has caused the deficit and all the problems of big government. To the liberal: Compromise has cost us 100% government run healthcare.

    The truth: Mud slinging campaigns, gaming ethics, and the 20 second sound bite are all doing well. The ends always justify the means as long as your core principles agree with mine. Shouldn't some of those principles include simple things like frankness, transparency, honesty, integrity, problem solving and thoughtful debate of issues?

    3) Being friends with the loyal opposition while respectfully diagreeing on issues is a cardinal sin. Compromise, poison.

    The truth: There is less friendship and comraderie in the Senate then ever before. There is no compromise and hasn't been for some time.

    The real change would be working together to find common ground. Or carry on...

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    We did our part yesterday. It's up to Congress and the president now. In two years, we re-assess their work. If they don't do what we hired them to do, we fire them.

    Repeat until spending is in line with revenue.

  • justaguy Out There in, WI
    Nov. 3, 2010 10:58 a.m.

    My understanding is that the people do better and our government is more effective at producing real solutions to our very real problems when control is divided like it now is. Let's just hope that we don't get as close to the brink of disaster as Britian has gotten before these guys we've sent get around to the serious business of working on our country's problems rather than focusing on getting re-elected or partisan bickering.

  • Jiggle Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    We are going to get gridlock and little cooperation! The ability of this administration to get major new programs accomplished was already limited. This just seals the deal! Political gridlock is supposed to be good for business. If bickering lawmakers can't agree on anything, the thinking goes, they can't pass laws and regulations that make the economy worse. In today's challenging environment, gridlock is detrimental. As much as Republicans want to speed up the recovery process and accomplish their agenda...I think they will just slow progress down to a slow crawl of inaction.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 10:19 a.m.

    By the way, I don't recall you (Deseret News editors) calling for statesmanship in 2008. Why do the Republicans have to work with Obama today? It's obvious the American people don't like the direction Obama was taking this nation--and their only Hope for Change was to put a stop to what was happening--and that meant going with the other party.

    I might be wrong, but you sound like sour grapes and poor sportsmen to me.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 9:36 a.m.

    "But is that precisely what voters have asked for?...we think that they are looking for genuine solutions, not gridlock."


    Many of those, like myself and Captain Kirk, wanted the out of control spending and government takeover of industry after industry to stop. That means gridlock. And we got it.

    It's interesting how you point your scornful finger only at Republicans. I have to laugh (out loud, even). It puts a sparkle in my smile to know this shift in power upset you.

    You (editors and staff at D-News) probably cried in your Cheerios this morning, and your pictures of Obama hanging in your cubicles have tears in their eyes, but you have to pat yourselves on the back for your (Deseret Media's) efforts at saving Harry Reid's job.

  • All American Herriman, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    "putatively uncompromising tea party" Excuse me? Why shouldn't they be uncompromising? This is NOT the time for compromise (i.e. the Blue Dogs losses). Putative? How? Shame on the D.N. for name calling. The tea partiers are main-street America - moms, dads, grandparents - and they were angry enough not to compromise. Compromise is not always the best policy. How can you compromise the socialist/marxists running this county and the conservatives who want to keep American free?

  • working class Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    "Centrist "blue dog" Democrats from conservative districts were among the biggest losers to the Republican wave,..." They deserved it! Matheson should have been one of them.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 7:59 a.m.

    "As large numbers of independent voters swing from the Democrats to the Republicans, we think that they are looking for genuine solutions, not gridlock."

    It's too late.

    "We trust that the rhetoric of brinkmanship can be set aside as our representatives now reveal their much-needed talents as statesmen to solve the serious problems facing our nation."

    Wow. I cannot believe this editorial. It's too late. If you wanted talented statesmen, you should have supported them and voted for them.

  • Captain Kirk Lehi, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 7:41 a.m.


    The only real solution is to return our federal government to it's true constitutional limits.

    The federal government needs to be smaller.

    The gap between spending and tax revenue is just too big for this to be solved with tax hikes.

    The political will does not exist to solve the problem.

    There is too much selfishness to solve the problem.
    The majority of the people will only vote to help themselves and care not for the nation.

    Few are willing to give up their benefits to save the nation.

    Every special interest wants their "share" of the public money and the federal government loves being the sugar daddy with other people's money.

    It's not that people don't know HOW to solve the problem ... It is just that not enough people are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to do it.

    I guess the best I can hope for right now is gridlock to slow down the federal government.

  • Lowonoil Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 7:19 a.m.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and make a couple predictions.

    1. In 2012 there will once again be mobs of angry voters who did not have their unrealistic expectations met by the government.

    2. That picture of Obama on the phone will be photoshopped to put the cord on the other end and then be mass emailed within hours from now.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 6:50 a.m.

    With both sides saying "it is my way or the highway" we will continue on different journeys.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 6:41 a.m.

    The Republicans will put gaining more power ahead of the interests of the country. Now that they have control over the House, they cannot simply stop everything, they have to participate in governing. I don't have high hopes that they will be responsible and provide leadership. It will be ugly the next two years.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 3, 2010 5:34 a.m.

    Well, what we are going to get IS gridlock. The Republicans are beating the war drum, seeing a mandate to fight without compromise on everything. Democrats are going to be defensive, and have the power to both filibuster in the Senate and veto anything from the Presidential office.

    Now that Republicans have the House (congrats), perhaps they can now inform us of how they expect to get the deficit in line, especially if they want to extend all of the Bush tax cuts.

    I still don't think they have any more clue than the Democrats about what to do with the economy. Or how to pay down the deficit.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Nov. 3, 2010 4:47 a.m.

    DN Editors - "We trust ... their much-needed talents as statesmen to solve the serious problems facing our nation."

    Thanks for this wise counsel. We'll all be watching.

  • my slc Newport Beach, CA
    Nov. 3, 2010 1:36 a.m.

    Des News: Dream on!

    "The pitched partisan battles of the election are over. We trust that the rhetoric of brinkmanship can be set aside as our representatives now reveal their much-needed talents as statesmen to solve the serious problems facing our nation."