Pornography 'grips you with claws'

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  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Pornography gives an unreal image of what sexual activity is about.

    The problem is that many people learn about sex from pornography.Why is Utah #1 in accessing on line Porn perhaps it is because of a lack of sex education in the schools.

    What the writer fails to mention is the effect on women of consuming soft porn. What I consider soft porn are many Romance Novels also the Hallmark channel.

    The male heros of some of these so called novels create an unreal immage of what females can expect from males.

    Many males also can not compete with the unreal immage of spouses in some of their "LDS Romance Novels"

    The spouses in these novels are generally professional people Doctors or Lawyers who have all the time to devote themselves to their spouses and generally are completely satisfied with holding their spouses and talking to them rather than any other physical activity.

    The novels satisfy the fantasy of the 38 year old divorce with three children who meets the never been married physician who loves her and her three children.

    Real life they marry some one younger with no children. Just a different view point.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    July 28, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    Women engage in pornography as well with the same curiosity as men yet they are not often comming forward.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    There are people commenting here that seem to think that pornography destroys marriages. My wife of 18 yrs and I would like to disagree with that opinion. We have found that pornography, used in moderation, enhances our sex life. It provides a nice variety and spark.

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Porn is addictive to those who are susceptible to addiction. Of course, those who are susceptible are going to be susceptible to addiction to all kinds of things... reality TV, gardening, 3-cheese pizza's or who knows what. People need to know their own limitations and protect themselves accordingly.

  • Gregorio Norco, CA
    July 27, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Smut is smut no matter how you wrap it and call it. It is a plague and all of us should stay away form it life a communicable disease. People's faces show where they have been just like a smokers breath tells one a cigarette was smoked by the individual. America the beautiful is the land of the free and the home of the brave. Lets encourage all of us to be more beautifully free by NOT LOOKING at this smut and more brave to stand up for something this harmful to our citizenry. LOVE is NOT LUST.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Can I just say the article title is innuendo rich. Think about it...

    per Abe Sarvis 9:43 a.m. Sept. 21, 2010

    Isn't said advocacy group called the Tea Party? Oh wait...

    per Jiggle 10:59 a.m. Sept. 21, 2010

    "I love how Deseret News once again only presents the negative side of pornography…"

    The Fox news approach is alive & well in UT? There's a shock!

    Seriously, what about the fact that the region of the brain that controls addiction can't differentiate between what the "controlling item" is?

    Drugs, religion, porn, Dr Pepper, S Asian cuisine, etc... How many times have you seen a "troubled soul" find Jesus? That being said, I'll know when C. Sheen becomes born again the apocalypse is upon us.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 26, 2012 8:27 p.m.

    The large amount of responses questioning the validity, or value of this article bring a smile to my face and I have to credit the Des News staff for allowing them to stand and be seen by all. The large # of Likes underneath those posts, lead me to believe that my home state is getting a little tired of being preached to about sexual habits and appetites. Sex isn't going away any time soon, folks. Embrace it, give people their privacy and yes, even celebrate one of the greatest gifts we have been given, (if you so choose--or personally shun it, if that's what works for you). As long as laws aren't being broken--your home is your castle. I would think that I'm preaching to the choir now, though. Utah is #1 in porn consumption per capita.

  • ShmittyWitty Maple Valley, WA
    July 26, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    The comments seem pretty one sided against men.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    Learning to control your desires is all part of the plan.

    Short term vs. long term goals. Plenty of people throw it all away for the briefest seconds of satisfaction.

    Take control of your life!

  • ShmittyWitty Maple Valley, WA
    July 26, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    There are so many unfair generalizations about men who turn to pornography. Many turn to it to meet a need that they cannot meet on their own and to fill a void. These voids and lack of needs being met is created by not being able to form a relationship or have access to a relationship or any intimacy, so they are missing that bond that is necessary to good psychological health. Another cause is men being in relationships with women who withhold their love, affection and intimacy from them thus making them feel isolated, so they turn to pornography as a substitute for all that, though a poor substitute. Women should look in the mirror and examine why they are driving their men to porn.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    July 26, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    All this talk about objectifying women, what about men? Some woman who watch porn think all men are supposed to be exceptionally endowed and most porn sites make their money advertising enhancement and size increase pills and devices. It goes both ways. Modern porn is often free, relying on advertising for revenue. The advertising almost exclusively plays on men's insecurities while watching above average porn stars do their thing.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    July 26, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    In my sphere of knowing individuals and families, I do not know of one family whose porn addicted husband, father, has not caused major loss of respect and happiness within his own family. Are we to take heed with such articles as this, or do we choose to beleive that pornography will not impact and degrade our lives? Surely one must desire better of the sacred union between husband and wife.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Some pornography can also be like alcohol when used wisely and in moderation. Not everybody who drinks becomes an alcoholic or kills themselves or somebody else while driving.

    On the other hand the reasonable and moderate use of even legitimate pornography drives the creation of real and tragic victims: children and adults forced or sold or kidnapped into coercive pornography.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 26, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    My 2 cents: Look at the best selling books. They are mostly "women's porn". I feel sorry for today's young man. If you aren't a rich pervert (shades of grey) or a Vampire you fall below the ideal man as envisioned by young (and old) women. How does a guy have a chance these days?

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    July 26, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    You folks - always looking for a boogie man to blame for being human. Richard Nixon tried to destroy the Presidents Commission report on Obscenity when it showed no harm from the stuff.
    If it isn't pornography(which is legal) then it will be fluride in the water or "Idle Time" to try and scare and control people.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Porn breaks up mariages? The number 1 (or 2) killer of marriages depending on the survey is money issues, or sexual frustration. Typically a wife loses interest and the husband either has to put up with it, or make use of porn to help bridge the gap, or the husband will find someone outside the marriage to fill the gap.

    Assuming this is true, it must also be true that porn helps save some marriages, by providing a coping mechanism for frustrated husbands.

    Perhaps this line of logic is incorrect, but it merits study.

  • Tiger5 Cache county, USA
    July 26, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    Porn is for people with zero self control.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    While the loss of intimacy, or a negative female libido may be the initial "cause" why a man turns to pornography, I don't think that justifies the end result.

    Look the article is actually quite good. It's stating that if you feel estranged and dissatisfied with your marriage, don't go getting involved with a fantasy that will only set you up for further dissatisfaction.

    We men do this to ourselves (and women do it to themselves too... just consider the top selling Amazon book right now is Shades of Gray, a book about a completely unrealistic dominant male character who could never possibly exist in real life), we get bored or feel "unfulfilled" and rather than looking for a decent wholesome way to fill ourselves we go for a cheap thrill.

    That cheap thrill comes with a steep price. You only feel more lousy! Just like a drug that's slowly destroying your body, pornography slowly kills the soul of your relationship with your wife.

    Marriages can be saved, but they require loving work, not carnal distractions. If you want to enliven your marriage, watch a romantic comedy, perhaps, but not Porn.

    Porn Kills True Love.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:06 a.m.

    Pagan, funny, I haven't seen your posts in awhile. I was wondering where you had gone. Maybe we were just reading different articles. Anyway, it's good to see that you are still riling up the conservatives. Too funny.

    It's also funny that Utah has the highest rate of online porn usage, even when controlling for factors. That's how legitimate studies are done 22oz.

    Anyway, I'm glad I don't have to worry about the quilt and shame that religions try to foist on people. I don't know how you guys do it.

    And now if you'll excuse me, I've got a website to go visit. . .

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    Way to keep up the paranoia.

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    I'm not really sure the Deseret News is really even a newspaper anymore. They seem to be more of an anti-porn editorial newsletter with a few articles sprinkled in here and there about Mitt Romney and Utah events. Anyway, like all of their other editorials about this topic, they never mention the coountless couples who love to watch porn together and have no issues with each other watching porn on their own time. I have many male and female friends who view porn when they are bored, and none of them expect their spouses or partners to look or act like the entertainers they see in porn. This editorial insults everyone's intelligence by making it seem like people look at forms of entertainment and then want their significant other to be like the entertainers. Do women watch basketball, and then break up with their husbands because their husbands can't do a slam dunk like Kobe Bryant?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 25, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    @Lost soul

    Well said. I think many could use a read over on your comments.

    I see problems in the few DesNews porn articles I have read the last few years. First, porn analysis is most always viewed in a subjective pattern that follows inductive thought. Look, the bottom line is that porn is a beast of a problem for humanity. I get that. However, it shouldn't be injected into all the problems of people everywhere, that resemble some subject in the given article.

    Second, although women are often the victims, it doesn't mean that they don't play a role in all of this. Women might view porn much less than men, but they do in large numbers feed the visual man by participating in porn, and in more recognizable ways; walk around our communities three quarters naked.

    Seriously, I am not making excuses for the darker side of the male mind. I am calling out the women (and sadly girls) who parade their bodies as a way to cater to male perversion and gain power over the man.

    Males and females are different, but can equally play positive or negative role in any social issue.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    July 25, 2012 2:24 p.m.


    I suggest you take the time to actually read Edelmans study on on line porn subscriptions instead of just posting the same cliche headlines and quotes. It is evident to all who have followed your posts over the past 3 yrs that you overtly or covertly attempt smear the LDS and Republicans on a regular basis. Here is what Edelman told me as a response to my putting him on the spot regarding his "study"

    "It’s not quite that there were more Utah subscribers than any other state, but there were more Utah than any other state after controlling for other factors, as detailed in my article, such as (in various versions of my analysis) population, Internet usage, high-speed Internet access, and demographics" Ben Edelman 5/10/11

    Dont let the truth get in the way of your agendas

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 25, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    Joggle said: Have to ever read the porn in the Bible?

    I'm sure they have, they were just told it meant something else, like wine is grape juice.

  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 22, 2010 2:45 p.m.

    To Kevin from Jiggle/Joggle

    Respectfully I say....President Hinkley and Monson statements are not statements I believe to be true. I'm not LDS and I'm not a slave to any religion. Just because a religious leader states what they do doesn't mean the whole world believes it or has to follow it. If you want to believe what you stated above....that's fine...but I have a right to not believe the same OR have it determine how I live MY life. How can you offend a supernatural entity that has no universally proven existence? You are taking YOUR beliefs as stated by your leaders and trying to apply it to everyone. That's impossible!

    Nothing inspires an addiction to porn in human beings more reliably than sexual repression. Religions champion such abuse of spirit and body by telling members normal sexual acts are sinful, immoral, and punishable by God. This view can sometimes leads to neuroses or other ill effects such as abuse of pornography. Religion isn't an innocent entity when it comes to being a contributing cause of this obsessiveness with porn.

    Have to ever read the porn in the Bible?

  • wpwitt2000 Youngstown, OH
    Sept. 22, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    Dixie Kid. The reason nobody talks about lack of intimacy in a relationship as the reason men turn to pornography in the first place is the editors of this website don't post those comments! I talked about it in my comment on the other porn article and, my comment was not posted!

  • Kevin Surrey, BC
    Sept. 22, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    to: Marduk | 7:09 p.m. Sept. 21, 2010
    Logan, UT

    read my earlier post. Just because a couple view porn together doesn't make it right. Porn is evil and offensive to God. Mutual consent doesn't make it right. How can any woman tolerate her man looking at the naked body of another woman? Those images will be burned into his head forever. Is that what you want him to think about when he is with you?

  • Kevin Surrey, BC
    Sept. 22, 2010 11:11 a.m.

    to Jiggle | 10:59 a.m. Sept. 21, 2010
    Clearfield, UT

    President Hinkley and Monson have been very clear on this topic. There is nothing good about porn. Our bodies are private and temples of God. They are not to be displayed to the world. People who view porn lose the Spirit and move further away from God and the Saviour. Porn is highly offensive to God.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 22, 2010 10:52 a.m.


    Don't pretend that the great majority of your posts are directed at "a church."

    I'm not quite sure what the point of bringing the fact that Utah has a high porn subscription into the conversation was. No one argued that point, yet you bring things up so defensively to prove a point, yet no one has denied that point to begin with.....

    I'm not Mormon either, and I don't agree with everything they do, but it's just comical to watch as you try and blame nearly all of life's problems either on the Mormons or George Bush.

    And for the record, you have brought up "the church" 1,265,835 in posts like these, so to suggest otherwise is simply nonsense.

    For those capable of keeping the comments on hand to the article, it is interesting to see the opposing view on this divisive topic.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 7:23 p.m.

    How come nobody talks about lack of intimacy in a relationship as a reason why men turn to pornography in the first place?

  • Marduk Logan, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 7:09 p.m.

    What a fascinating debate! While personally I have a hard time with the exploitation of women that accompanies the porn industry, I can also (by experience in my current, very happy relationship with a wonderful man) see how small amounts of porn can liven up intimacy in marriage when shared together in a spirit of wanting to increase the mutual pleasure.

    The key word is mutually. Perhaps the reason that so many women lose interest in intimacy is because their partner has no idea how to make it extremely enjoyable for the woman. It becomes then, a chore, something to keep the MAN happy. This is not right, and too often a consequence of men viewing pornography- they see women as only being the object of MEN's pleasure.

    Rather, an open and honest dialogue about wanting to find ways to make the shared experience better for BOTH partners can accompany a very small amount of porn, usually viewed together. If BOTH partners are satisfied, they won't find it necessary to look outside the relationship, but rather for ways to enhance what exists between the two of them.

  • U of U Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 6:50 p.m.

    I agree with lostsoul | 12:29 p.m.

    Shaming men with this problem will only lead to excessive guilt. What does that lead to? More secrecy and more avoidance of the issue, and deeper and deeper addiction.

    There has GOT to be a way for church members to portray the message that porn is wrong, while offering love and hope for the sinner. This message, for the most part, is NOT being portrayed. And Utah Mormon men struggle enormously with this problem as they are burdened with guilt and don't seek help.

    If the man was 100% confident that if the message would be "I know you are doing porn, but I love you so much and want to help you and not condemn you" then the success rate would be FAR greater than now.

    The Savior's words about the woman taken in adultery still apply to men with porn problems:

    "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

    We all want recovery for those caught up in it. The Savior shows the way with His love.

    Please DN - start focusing on the help and less on the guilt!

  • Taylor Orem, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 5:31 p.m.

    These are good and helpful articles, and I believe we should take heed, for the most part. However, they are also clearly one-sided, and not always accurate. Note, for example, the survey results that men prefer sex, not porn as the researchers believe.

    Also note the following contradiction:

    "how can a real women possibly compete with a cybervision of perfection, downloadable and extinguishable at will, who is utterly submissive and tailored to the customer's least specification?:

    Personally, some exposure to porn early in life steered me in a completely opposite direction. I prefer (as do many men) dominant Women (not the least bit submissive!), who may rarely even allow me any sexual privileges. I also think that some 90-97% of Women are gorgeous, and I am interested in an emotional, social and intellectual relationship.

    Hmmm, not quite the stereotype these articles portray and clearly state is the only result of any exposure to porn. Maybe these articles are missing something? Something important? Lots important?

  • Bethanymom Murray, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    Trickygringuito: Sadly I think you may have hit the nail on the head when it comes to many marital problems. Not just in the LDS culture, but in society in general.

    Too many parents are not having frank, serious discussions with their kids about what it and isn't realistic to expect when they marry. Not just about sex, but about money, responsbility, division of labor, etc. Somehow parents are avoiding the "tough" talks and then wondering why their kids don't seem to get it.

    I admit it is not easy to talk to my 2 girls about sex. But I want them to have a more open relationship with me then I did with my mother. I want them to be able to come to me when they have questions or problems.

    I want to be able to help them understand that marriage is not always easy, so ignore at least 50% of what you read in books, and be prepared to make a lot of opinion changes, and course adjustments.

    Feel comfortable enough to talk to your new spouse. Chances are he wants to talk to you about things too.

  • trickygringuito Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    The problem is with the completely unhealthy view of sex that has such a tight grip on the Utah culture.

    You watch an action movie where the protagonist kills all the bad guys with a single shot. But you get educated about firearms and you see how unrealistic it is. In the chase scene they barrel down the highway leaving path of destruction but come out unscathed. Then you drive down I-15 in real life and things couldn't be more different.

    Then there's the porno. You see something that is just as unrealistic as the above scenarios, but where's the healthy real life counter argument?

    There isn't one. And the Utah LDS culture (no, I did not say church) does everything in it's power to make sure that the healthy reality is left unknown. Outright lies about what is and isn't sinful between spouses abound. Sex and sex acts are dirty sinful things that can't even be thought about without. One party in a marriage may want something perfectly fine and healthy from their relationship but find that their partner has been programmed into thinking it's dirty and sinful.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    charlie91342 | 2:22 p.m. Sept. 21, 2010:

    "the problem isn't porn. the problem is a lack of moderation and self-control. same with drugs or anything esle. moderation is the key."

    Actually both porn and the lack of self-control are the problem. Lack of moderation is NOT the problem. Moderate use of pornography is what got a lot of people hooked in the first place.

    Too many duped people fancy themselves as moderate, open-minded, and in control right before they discover that they cannot easily pull themselves away from it. Pretty soon, the moderate dose of pornography ends up not getting them the fix it once did. At this point, their new standard of moderation becomes what was once considered harder-core pornography.

    If you really are one of those "elites" who "can handle it maturely", do you really want to encourage others to play Russian Roulette with their potential susceptibility to pornography addiction, just so you can congratulate yourself at how superior you are?

  • Jiggle Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 3:04 p.m.


    Sorry...but your logic and rationalization don't hold water! Pulling percentages out of the air is laughable! Do you have reliable sources for your percentages claim?

    Experts don't even agree that it's an addiction so for ME to claim it is an addiction instead of just possibly being a compulsive disorder or some other behavior or relationship problem would be giving it a label that may not be true. Saying that pornography is the ONLY cause or the main cause for the stress in a relationship ignores other possible underlying causes in the relationship that may be actually causing the stress. The guys aren't all to blame for turning to porn if their wife isn't interested in sex, are they? Is porn the REAL problem or is it other factors in the relationship the real problem?

    Communication is the key to keeping the habit within normal bounds. Occasional use of pornography is now deemed as normal by most experts. Unfortunately, some individuals find it easier to retreat into their porno-world rather than deal with normal relationships, which are always going to be complex with ups and downs.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:33 p.m.

    'So, if 95% of those exposed to pornography, can be seriously damaged, that’s an acceptable sacrifice, because the other 5% don’t have a problem? Sorry but, your logic and rationalization don't hold water.' - Keith43 | 1:18 p.m.

    Keith, we can always count on you to present...


    No studies cited, no sources presented. I guess we can just make up things now, correct?

    I presented date, author, source, title, and quote.

    And for the record, I didn't bring up any church. I said 'Utah'.

    'Utah has a very active 'anti-smut' campaign.' - Pagan | 10:49 a.m. Sept. 21, 2010

    You brought up church.

    ' disparage the Church and its members.' - Keith43 | 1:18 p.m. Sept. 21, 2010

    Do not project falings to others...

    the failings you have yourself.

  • charlie91342 Sylmar, CA
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    the problem isn't porn. the problem is a lack of moderation and self-control. same with drugs or anything esle. moderation is the key.

    you all just like to blame the product instead of the person. and that's so typical of you.

  • jeepers slc, ut
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    I would agree that porn can be harmful, however I would agree with wpwitt that a lot of porn use comes from individuals that are in relationships and are not having the basic needs of a human met. Woman hold the power that they have over men like a meat cleaver. If the relationship is not going so great they withhold all intimacy and physical contact and then wonder why nothing ever improves. It takes two to tango and both individuals need to be on the same page at the same time. loosen up

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    I don't know what this series is intended to be, but it clearly hasn't been journalism; all I've seen are biased assumptions, shaky statistics, and outright fearmongering. Are you guys in the business of reporting news or spreading propaganda?

    Keith43: 95% of the people who view porn can be damaged? Oh, you aren't jumping to conclusions at all. Yes, there is the potential for abuse in porn, but there's the potential for that in anything. Based on your logic, Prohibition should have been a huge success; all we had to do was ban the sale of alcohol and tell people it was bad, right?

    Look, sex is a part of life. We can choose to talk about it in a mature and open manner or we can rely on guilt, paranoia, and shame. Too bad so many here seem to prefer the latter.

  • Lilljemalm Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:01 p.m.

    I think that much of the immodesty, sexual inuendo and off color jokes that are not considered porn on TV and in magazines of today, and immodest clothing have the same affect.

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    I am totally amazed at the naivety of the so-called professionals who study the porn 'problem.'

    Simply put, the human male urge (placed there by Mother Nature) from puberty til almost death is to engage in sex. If it were not so, the human race would have disappeared eons ago.

    When not married (youth), sexual release could involve porn and/or self gratification. After marriage the release is with the spouse. But, where the spouse is unwilling, the male often turns to porn... In many cases divorce results.

    And, as reported in an above post, an alarming percentage of females have no interest in sex, whatever.

    Why is there so much guilt associated with what is a natural urge? Perhaps because religion has decided that porn (and, yes, much of sexual conduct) is sinful. The vast majority of males viewing porn have taken this teaching to heart yet are ridden with endless guilt because of inability to abandon/control the urge.

    There is an answer that some have found... celibacy. Which is very, very difficult as many in a dominant church (as reported by the DNews) has found.

    DNews monitor: My most sincere effort. Please ponder carefully before discarding

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    We live in a world of immediate data retrieval .. of any kind.. and in the privacy of your home pc. We also live in a world where 95% of movie directors ,writers , producers have no moral compass at all. Anything goes for them - the raunchier the better. Magazines in your local Super Wallmart have half nude women on the covers for all to view. Music is polluted more than ever with the worst debuauchery imaginable. So admist this sea of dirt what can a boy or a man do? There is no filter that will block all wanted content but there is a moral armor that can only be achieved spiritually - by turning to the Savior. This armor is the ultimate filter that no one can hack.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 21, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    LOL, there are no positives to porn. What are you going to tell me next, that there are no health risks to smoking?

  • Keith43 Littleton, CO
    Sept. 21, 2010 1:18 p.m.

    We can always count on you Pagan, to attempt to divert attention away from the core issue being discussed. You say it's "the problems of the family" and that "Porn is the tool, not the cause". If you had read this entire series, there's absolutely no way you would have drawn this conclusion. And while it's sad indeed, whether Utah has the highest rate of porn viewing or not, has absolutely nothing to do with the overall issue of pornography’s destructive influence. From what I’ve observed, it appears that your sole objective in making the comments you do, is not to contribute to an intelligent discussion; but, to disparage the Church and its members.

    Jiggle, on one hand, you discount the fact that pornography can become an addiction; and, on the other hand, you say that it’s a “destructive sexual expression” and that “people do suffer as a result”. Then you speculate on possible causes. So, if 95% of those exposed to pornography, can be seriously damaged, that’s an acceptable sacrifice, because the other 5% don’t have a problem? Sorry but, your logic and rationalization don't hold water.

  • lostsoul Fry, AZ
    Sept. 21, 2010 12:29 p.m.

    Your articles, while good for bringing attention to the issue, do nothing more than place all of the blame on the male, and give the woman the mantle of the victim. Just look at your outinthelight site. It is an emotional plea to women to stand up against pornography, which on the surface is commendable, but it only serves as a vehicle to further shame males who are burdened with the problem. Shame is what drives the problem in the first place. Why not offer a parallel site targeted at males who really want to stop this? When I see sites like this, it transmits that idea that I'm a piece of junk, women will be totally shocked if I confess this, and that might Church will immediately hold a "Court of Love." If I had a site showing support from fellow men who care, and offered hope through the GRACE of Christ, maybe I might want to change. These series only make me have more shame and more hurt.

  • wpwitt2000 Youngstown, OH
    Sept. 21, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    Back when columnist Ann Landers once did a study on women's interest in sex. She was shocked to find 40% of women in general had little or NO INTEREST IN SEX OR ANY TYPE OF INTIMACY WHATSOEVER! Yet they all want to marry, have families, etc. So we have the whole gamut in society, ie., men/women super intimacy motivated down to the uninterested! Porn is geared to meet the needs of those with insatiable appetites. If there was no demand/money involved it would not flourish. I don't support the 'overboard' attempt by the porn industry to satiate society with sex but, at the same time the movement to squelch the powerful sexual drives of the 60% is doomed to failure! People in general need an outlet for sexual expression/energy and, my guess allot of monogamous marriages sadly fall way short of meeting this basic need.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Sept. 21, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    Those that advocate pornography as a way to have better sexual relations, feel better about themselves and have "closer intimacy" are in denial. It is an obsession. An obsession is an addiction - to have it, see it, taste it time and again. People involved in such behavior are not able to put it away for long periods of time, and are very grumpy when interrupted in their obsession haze. They are the ones that end up cheating on their spouses, and breaking the familial ties.

    We, as a society, have yet to understand the moral implications of such behavior on all levels.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    it is interesting that most of the people taht are in the article are ultraconservative. if you had a more moderate info source you would find that anythig is addictive to certain personality types. most drug addiction can be linked to certain family traits. or more gentic. many people view porn with their spouse and enjoy it and complement their own fun together. in america we have a high level of sex crimes. a lot of that come from supresion of natural feelings. countries that are more open tend to have far fewer sex crimes.

  • jshimizu Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    this article couldn't be more insightful. THANK YOU!

  • Jiggle Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    I love how Deseret News once again only presents the negative side of pornography that can occur and doesn't bother to address the positive side or the studies done over the years that refute the negative studies.

    Daniel Linz, a psychologist at the University of California at Santa Barbara who studies communication, law and society with an emphasis on sexuality, says "We tend to call things addictions that have unfavorable connotations or behaviors that some in society regard as being unacceptable. We do not talk about Sunday afternoon football addiction, money addiction, or a workaholic as people who need treatment like a cocaine addict. We tolerate a certain level of obsessiveness. But this is not the case with more deviant activities. We do not approve of constant viewing of sex. So we pathologize it."

    Destructive sexual expression due to pornography certainly does exist and people do suffer as a result, but that doesn't mean EVERYBODY becomes obsessive about it. Sexual compulsives may have some other underlying problem, like obsessive-compulsive disorder, depression or bipolar disorder. Porn could be a symptom of a deeper problem in the relationship rather than porn being the actual problem or cause.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Why stop at pronography? Why not make any sexual acts, without the intent of children, against the law?

    This is the eventual path this type of logic leads to. Not trying to undermine the problems of the family, but it's just that...

    the problems of the family.

    Porn is the tool, not the cause.

    Utah has a very active 'anti-smut' campaign.

    Well done.

    Now, since Americans are not free to buy adult material except in Evanston, it could be argued that the result was...

    ‘Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says’ — By Elaine Jarvik — 03/03/09 — DSNews

    ‘That's the conclusion of a Harvard economics professor who tracked subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his findings in the article "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?," published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Economic Perspectives.’

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    Money in politics is a far more addictive drug than porn is - and far more destructive to American society. Where's the advocacy group for that?

  • Keith43 Littleton, CO
    Sept. 21, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    I commend the Deseret News for running this series to educate us on the destructive effects that pornography can have on us all — especially our children. With the information provided and the statistics sited, it's very scary, to say the least. While more and more people are learning the truth, there’s still so much of the population that is totally “in the dark”.
    I am convinced that education is the best deterrent and weapon that we can use to combat the evils of pornography. So I have a suggestion for the Deseret News. Can you consolidate the information from this series, and “periodically” publish it here; or perhaps, have a standing link that people can go to? With your expertise it wouldn’t take up much space, and it would most definitely benefit all who read it.
    Thanks again!

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 21, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    Some comments on the articles related to this argued that nothing is really wrong with porn. It seems obvious those commenters are in denial, as 'William' in this article was. I hope he can heal, as well as his wife.

    And in the comments of those defending porn, there is a heavy darkness that accompanies their words. It's tragic they are beyond recognizing that destructive power.