To quote Mr Coroon from the article:"I'm attacking Gary Herbert's
policy position. I'm not going after him personally," Corroon said.I
have seen the commercials and heard teh radio spots, he is calling the governor
dishonest, I am sorry Mr Coroon that is personal and not a policy discussion.If you are going to be negative this early, perhaps it is what you
really have to offer. My advice is to go pack to your "cheap. . ." type
commercials they had an impact, but now the taste in my mouth is not a good one.
I am inclined not to vote for Mr Coroon because he wandered form policy issues.
I used to be a resident of Utah and with Herbert as Gov.,I'm certainly glad I
moved. Contracts awarded to campaign donors, Security staff intervening in his
son's alleged difficulties to keep it out of the press? sounds like Utahns have
found their own "Kingfish". Amazing what happens in a one party system.
Herbert may be morally conservative, but he is fiscally liberal. My vote is for
If Herbert doesn't win by more than 21%, then this state has gone further down
the tubes than I think it has. Our main goal is to elect Herbert, who is
pro-private sector; as in where do you think taxes come from? We are currently
spending plenty of money for education and other essential government in Utah.
Those who keep telling us ad nauseum in the media how we need to spend more
money for education, etc. are loco lunitoons. Carroon is a lightweight and has
not chance. My other goal is to bring Matheson home from Washington, D.C. He
plays this game of trying to sell himself as a moderate (liberal) progressive(
liberal). Vote Philpot early and often.
If you sincerely believe that a democrat could win the governorship in Utah, you
are up in the night or "bonkers" if you will.
Spend 5 minutes in a room with Carroon and you will want to leave wanting to
invest in barfbags and hand sanitizer. The man is creepy.It
astonishes me that people attack Herbert, especially on the budget when at the
same time Salt Lake County is one of the poorest fiscally managed municipalities
in the state. Carroon is squeaking by in SL County. They are failing to meet
their obligations with regards to street and flood control maintenance
(underfunded) and they privatize the police department because they can't afford
it anymore. Criticize Herbert for $20-50M budget hole, but at least
UHP still reports to the state.
Back in March 2010... "Corroon, a Democrat, called on the governor to push a
bill that would cut state elected officer salaries by 10 percent. Herbert and
lawmakers, the mayor said, "need to set the example and do what is right." But no word on Corroon taking a 10% pay cut as county mayor. By the way,
Herbert earns $109,900 while Corroon makes more at $129,958.Corroon
I note that the poll numbers add up to 96%. No mention, however, of other
candidates. As the Libertarian candidate for governor, I have full ballot
access. What is the point of excluding me in the poll? I am entitled to be
invited to some debates, including the KUED television debate if I register 5%
in a poll. I guess the way to avoid that is to just leave me out. Is that
I agree with Casual Observer.Of course you can run on a rounded up
20% cut in the budget. He never had a choice. The tax revenue had been
decreased by 20%.I would say he could run on that, had he cut the
budget 20% when the good times were rolling and they had budget surpluses and
gave rebates to the people.However, he spent everything during the
good times. And when revenue fell 20% he had to make cuts, just like everyone
else (except Obama who could print more money). That's not being frugal or
cheap!! What happens if the economy improves? What if they started collecting
20% more, do you think we'll get that back as a rebate? I don't think so, it
will be spent on more liberal agendas.
Why? He is not forthcoming about any of these financial dealings. We want an
I spent two hours last night polling independent female voters to ask two
questions - if the vote was held today would you support Corroon/Allen or
Herbert/Bell and the second question was what is your top issue on this year's
special governor's election - the majority was Utah's economy and creating jobs,
education came in a close second.Just the limited number of
individuals that I called (which I guess could just about compare to the Dan
Jones poll) those that stated "I have no interest" were females in their 40s.
What a sad statement that you can be an adult, presumably working and paying
taxes and you still don't care about your political leaders that make many
decisions regarding your life. Also curious that the majority of
those I called have still not made of their minds.
Corroon was handicapped from the beginning....he is a liberal big gov't
Democrat! You can get away with that from Magna to Glendale to Rose Park and
even to the Avenues.....but the rest of the state is too smart to put up with
that nonsense! Corroon couldn't have asked for an easier condidate to
beat...lets face it...Herbert is somehwhat of a Liberal himself? Its like
voting for the lesser of two evils!
Despite his campaign adds, Mr. Corroon has not been frugal as SL County mayor.
Property values have decreased and property taxes have increased. We now pay
separately for police protection. It is a bad omen of things to come if he were
Re Pagan - Your points against Herbert are comical. Trying to project a budget
16 months out in these economic times is nearly impossible. It is difficult
even in good times, hence the reason we have surpluses or deficits to cover
every year.As for being last in per pupil spending, that will be the
case for the foreseeable future no matter who gets elected. To get to Idaho's
level, we would have to have a 20-25% increase in taxes. To get to the national
average we would have to have a 100% increase in taxes. The public would never
support it and there isn't enough money in other budget to just shift things
around. (Even if you factor in UDOTs $13 million blunder.)Corroon
hasn't really done much better with the County. He claims he cut County
government by x% but in reality the economy did that because they didn't have
tax revenue. Then they worked their funny magic on the police fee to hide a tax
increase. Neither are all that inspiring but as for me I am going
The records of both men speak loudly for themselves and I think Mayor Corroon's
comes out far superior. In Gov. Herbert's camp we continously hear a lot of
talk but with little follow-up. Remember the big press conference about clean
air during an inversion in Feb. and a launch of the "Clear the Air" campaign?
Herbert didn't even bother to participate--Corroon and Becker, along with many
other local leaders, did.As a born-and-raised Utah Mormon, I have
grown very sick of politicians thinking they can do almost anything and get away
with it simply because they are Republican and Mormon.And schools!?
I loved my public school and I graduated from seminary, a privelege totally
taken for granted in Utah. So why would the Gov try to belittle Corroon, a
Catholic, for sending his kids to a private Catholic school? Especially odd,
given that John Huntsman's kids attended private Catholic schools here, as
well.And energy? The Gov's Balanced Resource Council is supposed to
bring people from both sides of the energy argument together but there is not a
single environmental representative on that panel....getting very
tired of this...
What people don't realize is that incumbents should always be well over 50% or
they are in trouble. In 2000 Dem candidate Bill Orton did nothing but stand
there and look respectible and he got 42% of the vote against Leavitt. Not only
is Corroon not a "sacrificial lamb"--he is respected like Orton, but he also is
actually raising money and going on TV. Yes, Corroon is the underdog, but he
does have a shot. There is no way Herbert is going to win by 21%. Most of
those undecideds will break for Corroon but it will take almost all of them for
Corroon to win. If the bad news keeps raining on Herbert then he might lose a
few of his current supporters which could tip the scales.
Democrat or not... I wouldn't vote for Corroon.
One more point: some of you aren't being realistic if you really believe that
Herbert should be aware of every decision an agency director makes. That's just
plain ridiculous. Do you grasp at all the sheer scope of government bureaucracy
and how many agencies and people are involved? Any governor has far too much to
do to micromanage every action by every department--he has to trust his people.
And if he can't, then they shouldn't be his people.In the current
"scandal," John Njord, the director of UDOT, acted fully within the scope of the
current rules by making the decision to give the $13 million payout without
consulting either the governor or the legislature. There is an exemption in the
rules requiring "permission" for payouts specifically for UDOT. So anger at
Njord or the governor or the legislature for not informing people or for not
knowing about the decision is IRRATIONAL. If you're unhappy about the
non-notification, then lobby for the rule exempting UDOT to be changed. But
meanwhile, don't pillory everyone involved for acting in accordance with the
rules that are currently in place.
While you are free to make your choice, my vote is for Corroon.
Herbert put Nuclear waste withine one veto of comming to Utah. Bad
budgeting. 'State budget is $50M short of projection' - By Lisa
Riley Roche - Deseret News - 09/08/10Line:'SALT LAKE CITY
State revenues fell nearly $50 million short of projections in the recently
ended budget year, but Gov. Gary Herbert said that's good news.'
Education. 'Utah last in U.S. in spending per pupil — again' -
By Molly Farmer and Lee Davidson - DSNews - 06/29/10Line:'The
census found that Utah schools spent on average $5,765 per student in 2007-08.
Idaho was second-lowest at $6,931 — but that was still 20 percent higher
than what was spent in Utah.Nationally, schools spent $10,259 per student
on average. That is almost twice as much as in Utah.' The $1.3
million dollar construction contract... True, some people will
ONLY be swayed by the 'R' or 'D', but I have tried to actually do some
reasearch. My vote is for Corroon. Please vote.
Caroon doesn't smell too good, in my opinion. I was considering supporting him,
but after the current "scandal," I'm revolted. The same day or the next day
after the story broke, he was on the air with ads capitalizing on it, even
BEFORE all of the facts were known. But a lack of complete information didn't
prevent Caroon from trying to make political hay. I also think his decisions
over the last few years have been made with his political ambitions in mind,
rather than his principles. And I find it interesting that neither local paper
is doing much investigating into Caroon. I find it hard to believe that there
is nothing there to question. Caroon should be coming under the same level of
scrutiny that Herbert is. And, let's not forget that Caroon is related to
Howard Dean. Dean is one nutty dude. I'm not that thrilled about
Herbert, but I think I trust Caroon even less. Especially since no one is
taking a hard look at him. I wish we had better candidates to choose from
across the board. Unfortunately, the best people want nothing to do with
It's interesting to see the left-wing out in force pushing their candidate with
the 'D' behind his name. Can't make a decision based on anything besides that
I think these things are going to be blips on the screen. Herbert should win
confortably. A few small campaign attacks are NOT going to get the
people to vote for someone who has a political philosophy that is in complete
conflict with most of the people of this state. That's what happened with
Obama. Voters made a big mistake and didn't seem to quite understand what Obama
was about. Now they know. Utah voters won't make the same mistake for
Baron Scarpia | 5:43 a.m. Sept. 16, 2010 Yeah, a commercial about
wearing your brothers shoes and have little chicks, cheap cheaping away.Well that explains what he'll do as Governor. At least Herbert explains
how he'll help business and get jobs here, rather than how he will cheaply spend
To Red Smith | 8:14 p.m. Sept. 15, 2010 ***Pete Corroon is like
Obama. ***If true, that makes him FAR better than Herbert.
I'm an independent and am probably going for Herbert. Corroon is taking too much
time criticizing Herbert, not enough talking about his own record and positions,
That makes me suspicious. My taxes are higher, the "fee" charged for police
protection is a joke. And I've yet to hear Corroon explain things like why in a
tough budget year he spent $700,000 for WII games for county employees.
Criticism of one's opponent is expected, I guess, unless it's used to deflect
attention from one's own record.
Herbert has the magic "R" after his name, that means an almost certain win no
matter what here in Utah.
As an independent, I'm leaning for Carroon given that he's been a good,
no-nonsense and practical mayor for the county. Sherly Allen has also been a
good moderate voice and supporter for education.I've been amazed by
how feeble Herbert's ad campaign has been, and his quotes are hardly inspiring.
The "Ethics reform is no substitute for good ethics" quote at the end of one of
his ads during all the news controversy regarding the $13 million pay out to a
road contractor has not instilled much confidence in Herbert's administration!
Either Herbert knew of the back-door deal or he SHOULD have known -- and if he
didn't, that says a lot about his administration!I've also been
tracking the energy hearings on Herbert's 10-year energy plan, and his defensive
tone for Utah to pursue tar sands, coal, oil, and gas despite all the opposition
voiced in the hearings is disheartening... I think he and his administration
have already made a decision that Utah will stick with 19th century fossil
fuels. Just how much will these industries expect the state to offer
in subsidies and tax incentives?
For the people supporting Corroon, you have been reading the biased papers and
listening to KSL. Both major newspapers in the Salt Lake Valley are now hard
Wow, Corroon's within striking distance. If all of those people out there who
say that a democrat could never win would actually go out and VOTE, a democrat
If voters like big business running the state, they should vote for Herbert. I
am a Republican, but I am supporting Caroon. I've watched him carefully as he
has served in the county and believe he's a smarter, wiser candidate. His work
experience and educational experience are far superior to Gov. Herbert's, who
never graduated from college.
Pete Corroon is like Obama.