Utah illegal-immigrant population may be declining

Pew study says recession has slowed migration

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  • Brer Rabbit
    Sept. 2, 2010 5:34 p.m.

    Is this an example of the New Deseret News reporting. Here they use pretty much off the wall 2009 information from the Pew Hispanic Center, but fail to report the 2010 FAIR Report that the cost for Utahn taxpayers to support illegal aliens and their employers is estimated at $453 million. You say, well FAIR has an ax to grind, but the Pew Hispanic Center is also grinding their ax.

    I don't think anyone, including those in the comments above has seen any decline in Utah. If it were possible, the best evidence of a decline would be a check of the enrollment in the Utah LDS Spanish speaking wards and branches, but that is not the case since we see the number of Spanish speaking wards increasing. Likely more than half of these wards would be illegal.

    However, the increasing number of LDS Spanish speaking wards/branches may be due to the availability of LDS welfare support, in the form of money, food, and clothing.

  • Football/Futbol/Soccer
    Sept. 2, 2010 4:38 p.m.

    This is good news. The less immigrants coming the better. That being said i still don't think it's a good idea to throw families with children out of our country. Secure the border but please don't waste time and resources trying to chase down good people trying to make a better life for their posterity.

  • Cameron
    Sept. 2, 2010 4:32 p.m.

    @Not_Scared | 2:15 p.m.

    Seriously? Grow up dude.

  • 20/20
    Sept. 2, 2010 4:22 p.m.

    @ Joe Blow:

    Where were all the Immigration Hawks during the Bush Administration?

    I was writing "Enforce Immigration Laws" on every fundraising letter I received from the Republican Party, that's where I was. I finally changed my registration to Independent. So no, I don't believe I quietly stood by and supported Bush Amnesty.

    It makes absolutely no difference to me who is in power. I hold both parties to the same standard. Try it yourself sometime.

  • Pagan
    Sept. 2, 2010 4:01 p.m.

    'So, can you tell us what an illegal immigrant looks like?' - RedShirt | 2:59 p.m.

    They are the one's removing the heads from bodies. According to Az. Gov. Jan Brewer.
    '"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded," - 07/11/10

    She could not answer that question herself, when presented with the question. You can even look it up. It was the day she signed the immigration law that was struck down later by court.

  • Christy
    Sept. 2, 2010 3:53 p.m.


    From the article:

    "The study said that in 2009 about 60 percent of the nation's illegal immigrants came from Mexico, or 6.7 million people. Other Latin American countries accounted for 20 percent, or 2.2 million people. Asia accounted for 11 percent, or 1.2 million people."

    It's not Asians jumping that fence. It's not Asians who BYU Alum's wife is teaching in ESL. It's not Asian families who are hunkering down from their nosy neighbors.

    Do NOT pretend that this isn't about Hispanics and racism against them. This is the Repubs most favorite thing to do - be racist, and when someone calls you on it, you accuse THEM of being racist. You guy really need to take that out of your play book. You're not fooling anyone.

  • RedShirt
    Sept. 2, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    TO "Not_Scared | 2:14 p.m." so does calling somebody a racist make them a racist?

    Once again, you only read half the story. The people who were involved with supplying the list of hispanics have been delt with according to the law. That story was overshadowed by the list itself. Those workers are currently suspended from work and criminal charges are being made. (See "State Suspends Workers Who Identified Illegal Aliens" at Family Security Matters).

    So, can you tell us what an illegal immigrant looks like?

  • Not_Scared
    Sept. 2, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    This is from David Duke a former Clansman.

    "Duke: Tea Party people are called racist because the vast majority wants to stop the massive non-European immigration that will turn America into a crumbling tower of Babel. Most Tea Partiers believe that we in America have the right to preserve our heritage, language, and culture, just as every nation has that human right. The vast majority of Tea Party activists oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people. The vast majority of Tea Party enthusiasts despise Hollywood and the mass media."

  • Not_Scared
    Sept. 2, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    "To "Christy | 1:10 p.m." why are you throwing down the racist card. Don't you know that people are tired of it, and it has no effect?"

    If you say daily you aren't a racist, it magical makes you not a racist?

    What does the KKK, the white power movement and the Christian identity movements have in common. They are all conservative.

    We saw the race card in Uta where illegal is illegal unless your are white breaking the law to rat out Hispanics.

    Daily we see if a crime is reported and race isn't mentioned there will be many conservative comments that the criminal was an illegal, meaning a Mexican.

    Nixon said he wasn't a crook too. He was an conservative who added Watergate to our language.

  • Pagan
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    'fantazius | 12:46 p.m. Sept. 2, 2010
    Pagan | 1:53 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010 on record number of illegals deported.
    'Remove those being caught at or near the border, and immedialty released just to return again with-in hours and you matbe would understand that the numbers reported as ‘deported’ are grossly inflated.'

    So, your saying you have no evidence to support that those numbers are 'grossly inflated...'


  • RedShirt
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    To "Christy | 1:10 p.m." why are you throwing down the racist card. Don't you know that people are tired of it, and it has no effect?

    Name one person who has advocated the eradication of Hispanics. All that as been written about so far is that people want to stop illegal immigration.

    So, please tell us, what does an illegal immigrant look like?

    You sound like you may have some race issues because you assume that all illegals are hispanic in origin.

  • tenx
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:40 p.m.

    How do we force the Feds to enforce the laws? Someone is lying when they swear on the Bible to enforce and uphold the laws of the land. Recycle them in November.

  • RRB
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Brian H, I have Latino relatives, I speak Spanish.

    Two of them told me (Mexico) they are both hanging on, waiting for amnesty. The third use to get the police called on them several times a month until their kids left home. Police have told the neighbors they are here illegally and there is nothing they can do about it.

    Did that answer your question?

  • Christy
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Supposed good news still brings out the haters.

    Nothing short of total Hispanic eradication will please the racist conservatives.

  • attentive
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Still Jim: A state that began by ILLEGAL immigration? What law was in place by what governing body at the time of this alleged illegal immigration? Next you'll be saying that we should allow France to regain control over Louisiana.

  • fantazius
    Sept. 2, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    Pagan | 1:53 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010 on record number of illegals deported.

    Remove those being caught at or near the border, and immedialty released just to return again with-in hours and you matbe would understand that the numbers reported as ‘deported’ are grossly inflated.

    P.s. That is the PEW ‘Hispanic’ group, who’s numbers differ ( in favor of hispanic groups) greatly from official CIA numbers and reports

  • RedShirt
    Sept. 2, 2010 11:56 a.m.

    The most ironic thing in the posts here is the fact that the conservative legislature proposes enacting laws to enforce Federal immigration laws, and the liberals take credit for it.

    Come on liberals, don't you have anything better to do than take credit for the work of others?

    Just think what would happen of all state legislatures enacted laws that had their law enforcement agencies check immigration status. Where would the illegals go?

  • Brian H.
    Sept. 2, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    "RRB | 2:05 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010
    I've seen no drop in the families living by me. Has anyone else? I do know they have went to low visibility in the neighborhood."

    "SLars | 9:04 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010
    The three families by me are still here."

    May I ask how you know which families near you are illegal? Have you asked them? Did they admit to it? Do you have some kind of evidence besides your sneaking suspicion? Is it because they don't speak English well? Because that doesn't mean they are illegal.

    It cracks me up when people say things like "I saw an illegal in front of me at the grocery store paying with food stamps" because there is NO WAY to find out if they are actually illegal just from standing behind them in line. Nothing but unchecked and unreasoned suspicion. Borders on paranoia, I think.

    Notice I didn't say anything in support of illegal immigration. Just mentioning that a few of our good neighbors are making judgments on others without any evidence. Not cool. Did "innocent until proven guilty" go out of fashion?

  • Pagan
    Sept. 2, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    'The conservatives do NOT have a majority..not even to filibuster....so what's the excuse?' - Freedom | 6:34 a.m.

    Um, you don't NEED to have a majority to filibuster. That was the POINT of the filibuster. To stop the majority.

    Do you know what a 'filibuster' is?

    'A filibuster is a type of parliamentary procedure. Specifically, it is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby a LONE member can elect to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal.'

    It STOPS a 'simple' majority. Which the Dems have. So, it stops the dems.

    All this 'Dems have control.' No, they do not. Unless they have 100% in all branches, they do not.

    What? Did Orrin Hatch suddenly leave office after 40yrs?

    All the examples given that Obama is doing the job...

    and people just make things up.

  • eenymeenymyneechic
    Sept. 2, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    I think the illegals are still here. They are just keeping a lower profile and under the radar.

    The published "list" that came out in July really soured some of these illegals. Some of them them refused to participate on follow up for the 2010 Census in the St. George area. I worked that area and they were very suspicious of anyone coming to ask questions and closed their doors. I spoke to them in Spanish, so know they were saying the distrust they had for the census count and workers.

    They ignored the fact that the list was a state issue and not federal. There was no way they would be convinced otherwise. As long as the govt allows the anchor babies issue to continue, which has been over abused the illegals will keep on coming.

    Tighter enforcement of what the law already has in place would be best. However, I support the AZ proposal and Sandstrom's for Utah.

    At the very least it is making and keeping the illegals on notice. That is probably the answer to why there appears to be a reduction, but I do not believe or buy that there is.

  • jim l
    Sept. 2, 2010 6:56 a.m.

    Head south young man, head south

  • Freedom
    Sept. 2, 2010 6:34 a.m.

    Compassionate solutions, abiding laws, something needs to be done. Yet.....we have national leadership that crammed socialist health care down our throats and yet not one real bill to change the way this country handles people who clearly want to live here? Does that really make sense to you? The conservatives do NOT have a majority..not even to filibuster....so what's the excuse?

    Ya'll better open your eyes......he's not the god of 'the change' he made you think he was.......

    It's time to wake up and smell the manipulation that comes from national elitists from all sides.

  • BYU Alum
    Sept. 2, 2010 6:12 a.m.

    My wife teaches at a school in the Alpine District. This fall some of the students she is expected to teach speak no English and just moved here from Texas. It is a shell game... don't believe a word of it that they are going back to Mexico.

  • Still Jim
    Sept. 2, 2010 5:52 a.m.

    It is interesting that a state that began by illegal immigration has so many against it.

  • attentive
    Sept. 2, 2010 1:54 a.m.

    Mr. Davidson, you put such a slant on every single thing that you write that with this article, I have to believe that the numbers of illegal immigrants are growing so fast that there is no way to begin to keep track of them.

  • Hellooo
    Sept. 2, 2010 12:43 a.m.

    While I happen to support the legalizing of undocumented workers in this country, I question that there is an accurate measure of how many there are or whether there are more or less in the country. After all how do you count an undocumented person. Obviously, there is no real data on this. So, the question must be asked why the published report?

  • CJ
    Sept. 1, 2010 10:28 p.m.

    Can't happen fast enough as far as I am concerned. Illegal is illegal, end of discussion. The economy is doing what the government won't do. We need really strong enforcement at the moment and then we need to seal the border air tight.

  • SLars
    Sept. 1, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    The three families by me are still here.

    On the 20th of August ICE chief Morton issued a statement saying that deportation hearings would not proceed against those that had not committed major crimes, and are married or related to a U.S. citizen or a legal resident who has filed a petition on their behalf.

    What they say, and what they do are quite different.

  • J. Adams
    Sept. 1, 2010 8:23 p.m.

    Do not believe anything that leads us to believe the illegal alien problem is over, it is just beggining. This article is meant to calm the fears of those who want action on the illegals. We need Sandstrom's bill passed and enforced, along with all other legislation aimed at stopping the flow of illegals completly and forever.

  • danaslc
    Sept. 1, 2010 7:21 p.m.

    I would agree with those who say this is good news, except not one of those illegals have left my area. Why don't you tell us all about your areas and how many have left?

  • JoeBlow
    Sept. 1, 2010 7:04 p.m.

    Good Job Carl.

    you write "This reversal of illegal immigrants is caused by United States of America becoming second class due to President Obama's socialist policy"

    Gotta love people that can find the bright spot.

    Even if Carl is just another partisan HACK.

    Wonder where all the Immigration Hawks were during the Bush admin. Funny how that works.

  • onceuponatime
    Sept. 1, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal-I think it's ironic that all the pro-illegal immigration chearleaders aren't calling Obama a racist for enforcing immigration laws.

  • LDS Liberal
    Sept. 1, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    I find it ironic that the chicken littles who rant the loudest about everything, and cry daily for a reduction in illegals, are not cheering.

    I guess they only look for and want to hear the bad in just about everything.

    No wonder they want Obama, and America to fail.
    It's the only News they can use....{I took that from their FauxNews)

  • cbird
    Sept. 1, 2010 5:20 p.m.

    I don't believe that if they leave it will make the unemployment rate 0%. Let's just see which Americans will actually take these jobs. Maybe students, retiree's etc. Let me know when it happens because I want a count of all the Americans on the welfare role that have gone back to work.

  • Pipes
    Sept. 1, 2010 4:43 p.m.

    Just goes to show that Omama and the Dems have screwed the country up so much that even illegal immigrants from 3rd world countrie don't want to stay.

  • Bryan
    Sept. 1, 2010 4:20 p.m.

    This is good news, but we still need strong laws in place here in Utah for those illegals that are "hunkering down" and won't leave on their own. Along with those laws we also need enforcement to do their job, otherwise nothing happens, which is how we got in this predicament in the first place.

    Despite what many say, it is absolutely possible to significantly reduce the numbers of illegals here. Although we'll never get rid of the problem completely, by tough interior enforcement the vast majority of those living here illegally will find that they won't be living the kind of life they thought they would.

  • Keith43
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:51 p.m.


    Proves one thing, and one thing only; and that is, you can't trust the media, nor the politicians, to tell the truth - especially the democrats!

  • Say No to BO
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    How many illegals are there? Well, the name Jeff Passel is key to understanding the question.

    Jeff used to work for the census bureau and he came up with the remainder or residual theory. It states that if 33 million people report to the census that they are foreign-born and you know that 10 million are naturalized citizens, 10 million hold green cards and 3 million hold temporary visas (all numbers KNOWN to the government), then 33-10-10-3=10 million illegal aliens.

    And it is an absurd calculation. It fails to consider the undercount based on illegal status, living in out-of-code housing, the language barrier and a general distrust of government that leads to illegal aliens hiding from the census.

    Other sources say 20 million based on housing data and school enrollment. (The Underground Labor Force Is Rising To The Surface by Robert Justich and Betty Ng, CFA January 3, 2005).

    And where is Mr. Passel today? He works for Pew, the authors of the study.

    I agree that illegal aliens are leaving because of the economy. I disagree that the baseline number was 12 million.

  • JanSan
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:25 p.m.

    I just read another article a few days ago saying that in spite of the new AZ law that immagration was up...
    Soooooooooo which is it? One day they say it is up and just a few days later they say it is up?

  • Keith43
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:22 p.m.

    "Jeffrey Passel, author of the report, said immigration flows are down nationally and have reversed for the first time in two decades. He said that is probably because the recession destroyed jobs for many immigrants, and also because border enforcement has been beefed up in recent years."

    Could it just possibly be that the numbers are dropping because even the illegals, see the loser that Obama is; and, don't even trust that the economy will improve? LOL

  • desertsage
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    Actually...couldn't a "reverse flow of illegal immigration" mean that we're sending our poor uneducated unskilled workers to Mexico?"

    Oh wait...they don't allow illegal immigration. It's punishable by imprisonment.

    Silly, silly me!

  • CARL
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:04 p.m.

    This reversal of illegal immigrants is caused by United States of America becoming second class due to President Obama's socialist policy. No one wants to come here when expectations were equal or lower than their home country.

  • TheCanuck
    Sept. 1, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    The Pew data may be skewed as its not exactly an impartial organization. It is possible that the pew data is a publicity stunt designed to make the Utah public feel like the problem is self correcting and that we do not need the new Sandstrom law next year.

    I say go forward with the new law anyway.

    Bring some jobs home to the USA and Utah. We need work here.

  • BillyBobUT
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    So in other words, no one really knows the size of the problem, the actual economic impact, and the reason for inflow/outflow.

    Yet, our reactionary conservative Legislators (who just happen to be up for re-election this November) believe they have a solution to this undefined problem?

  • MormonDem
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    The funniest part about this whole report? The number of illegal immigrants in Arizona stayed the same.

  • SLars
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    The drop in numbers during 2008 and 2009 has already been reported by PEW in a previous release.

    Why do a new study on old figures?

  • GWB
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    I thought Obama wanted more illegals to come here so they could vote for him...

  • Pagan
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    *'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post

    'The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.'

  • RRB
    Sept. 1, 2010 2:05 p.m.

    It seems like a short time ago, the number of people illegally in Utah was 200,000.

    I've seen no drop in the families living by me. Has anyone else? I do know they have went to low visibility in the neighborhood.

    On August 20 ICE chief Morton issued a moratorium on deportation of people being deported that had relatives living here.

  • Pagan
    Sept. 1, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    * 'U.S. sets another record for deporting illegal immigrants' - By Lee Davidson - DSNews - 08/19/10

    'Federal immigration officials deported a record number of illegal immigrants last year – the seventh year in a row – the Department of Homeland Security reported on Wednesday.'

  • Stalwart Sentinel
    Sept. 1, 2010 1:44 p.m.

    Haha, it looks like the conservative's economy killing agenda is working.

  • Not_Scared
    Sept. 1, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    You get censored for bring up this as been know for two months.

    Notice there are no comments because its good news. Conservatives hate solutions. They love whining.

  • Ken
    Sept. 1, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    A decrease in anything illegal is a good thing.

  • Reggie
    Sept. 1, 2010 1:02 p.m.

    Gee, I guess it's not a problem any more.

    Let's see. If there are an estimated 70,000 illegals IN THE STATE'S WORK FORCE (not counting the anchor babies, ESL kids in our schools and emergency rooms, and other people outside the work force) and we have 70,000 out of work citizens in the state - does that mean we'd be at 0% unemployment if the illegals all went home?