Welcome Jake Murphy to the Utes!!Go Utes!!
Lets be fair; The BCS offers few benefits and exists primarily to justify or
perpetuate its own existence — i.e. a self-licking ice cream cone. Utah
by joining a BSC conference did not change that fact. We, (Utah Fans), can
take whatever credit we want from this development, regardless of whether we
consider it fair or unfair to BYU, the MWC or otherwise. But the BCS is still,
if not more so, a detriment to the college football and its fans. The Utes may benefit financially from this exchange, but be careful what you
ask for — or are happy to accept. Teams such as the South Carolina
Gamecocks, Arizona State and Arizona, have joined BSC leagues and benefited
financially. But aside from their being able to say they are in one of the
prestigious conferences, they have not joined the football elite.I
understand Utah’s decision, but I do not like what that decision has lead
to with the MWC and WAC, or that it has lessened chances of getting rid of the
BCS mafia. And I am not at all sure I will the results on the field.
Crispy Lips | 9:39 a.m. Aug. 26, 2010"These comments should be limited to
teams that have actually played in a BCS Bowl. Sorry cougies, but you can't join
our club until you make it to a BCS."And the first fan base to
mention BYU into these comments was: UTAH!!! Just sayin'If
they can't trash BYU, hedgehog, Chris B, Conference of ????, and others like
them might as well not even come online.
These comments should be limited to teams that have actually played in a BCS
Bowl. Sorry cougies, but you can't join our club until you make it to a BCS.
SpanishImmersedA playoff would completely eliminate the need for the
BCS. Give back control of major college football post season to the NCAA and
resign the BCS to the scrap heap of failed experiments.The bowls can
continue with the quarter-finals played in what used to be the big New Years Day
bowls--Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose. You could also throw in the Cotton for
semi-finals and finals.
I did find it interesting that in the 12 year history of the BCS Championship,
only 12 teams have played. 12 teams in 12 years? I bet that doesn't change much
this year either.
Enjoy the BCS conference basement UteMan.It you can't finish ahead
of the Cougars, U must be a Ute. (see Washington State next season)
My thoughts on the BCS: If you can't beat it, join it. If you can't join it, you must be a cougar! Go Utes!
There's no reason why a 16-team playoff couldn't peacefully co-exist with the
remaining bowls, just like the NCAA and NIT tournaments co-exist.Play the first games of the playoff beginning the first Saturday after
Christmas, which would be New Years Day this season.Take the
champions of every conference (currently 11) and the next 5 highest ranked teams
(both polls combined).Seed the teams just like the NCAA basketball
tournament with first round games played on the home field of the higher seeded
team.Play the quarter-final games in the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and
Orange Bowls.Play the semi-finals in two of those bowls, and the
final in one of them.Any other bowls could be played on any day
except the Saturdays when the playoff games were scheduled.If the
lower divisions can hold a 16-team championship playoff, there's no reason why
major college football couldn't, especially if all of the games were played on
Saturday.The fans of the eight teams that lost in the opening round
wouldn't get to go to a bowl. Small tradeoff for being able to crown a champion
on the field.
@ all BYU haters who use this article to continue to show hate. I sense some
jealousy in all of you. Why would you bring BYU into this argument and trash
them. You guys can't let it go. It must eat you up at nights that BYU is in a
better position no matter what you do or where you go. You all must have had a
"little brother" who didn't do all the things you did who wasn't as good as you
but was talked about more and rewarded because of his intelligence. No he didn't
win everything like you did and he was such a challenge to understand. The Stud
in you became a dud and you always find someone else to always through your hate
at because, you know you just can't do that to your real little brother. What a
bunch of dorks. In 10 years, who is going to care about the Utah and BYU
rivalry, it won't exist anymore, then who are you going to hate?..... I don't
know, but just stating the obvious.
The truth:Utah in the PAC 10 = no longer relevant, late Saturday
night FOX broadcasts, middle of the PAC, 7-5, seldom ranked, regular Las
Vegas/Poinsettia BowlBYU as independent = regular nationally
televised ESPN games against teams like Notre Dame and Texas, perennial Top 25,
variety of interesting bowls, including regular BCS appearances
Utah in the PAC 10 = Rose Bowl / BCSTDS independent = NO BowlUtah cracked the BCS code, twice. For Utah, it's all good. It's SO good that
Utah isn't rapped up in this messed caused by the tds' knee jerk reaction.BCS here Utah comes!
Does anyone really care who won the tostitos weed wacker bowl,or
would they care more about who made the quarter-finals in the college
playoffs?Would people care more about a 3rd place team from
the east that won the orange bowl,or the compelling cinderalla story
of a little university from boise making the final four? so
really who needs bowl games?
Bowl games, shmol games who need bowl games, they should
a quaint thing of the past and only for teams that don't make the playoffs,Playoffs will be the real deal, and obviously be organized around
the biggest football venues,but bowl games and voting for
winners? an outdated thing.People want tosee real meaningful
games played by the best teams in the country, and a legitimate champion.
Take a deep breath and put down the Kool-Aid. If you were in the BCS shoes, why
would you let anyone else in the pool!
"What to do about the Bowls?"Let's face facts ... most of the Bowls
do little more than pay the bills and send the teams home with a little pocket
money.The only Bowls that really matter are:RoseSugarOrangeFiestaLet's incorporate these major
tradition Bowls into the playoff as the quarter final champions. Wouldn't we all like to see a semi-final matchup of:Rose vs
FiestaorOrange vs SugarThe bowl sponsors
would be more than compensated by possibly having their regional champion play
in two major games over the course of two weeks.The advertising and
exposure would be worth million$ to them and the buildup to those semi-final
games would be incredible!Any teams not included in the playoff
could still go and play in a bowl game; however, most of those bowls would
deservedly die.The way it is ... we have too many meaningless Bowls.
If you doubt that then tell me who won the following bowls last year (no
cheating don't look it up):HolidaySunCottonGatorSee what I mean?
I thinks now is the perfect time to re-ask the million dollar question....wait
for it......DID THE BIG 12 CALL TODAY?lol
Money will always be with the big name markets, that's not going to change.
Texas fans and TV revenue aren't all of a sudden going to split their profits
into 120 nice packets and mail them off to diddly-squat Tech. On the
other hand, the national championship is non-sense. More often than not, the
real #1 is always up for an objective debate. Since the BS system came into
play, only a few times has there really been a champion that nobody could really
complain about.Get rid of the BCS "Champion" and get a real
championship going. Keep the bowls or dump, I don't care about the name on the
game, just make it mean something.
YouAreKidding is right. A 16 or 20 team playoff of conference champions of Div
IA plus at-large teams is the best solution. It will make every regular season
game relevant and exciting.Involve the bowls to keep them happy, and
the BCS for the final games. It may have to start earlier than after Christmas.
Rotate which bowls host, so all get a chance at the big money games later
on.The BCS can spread out its money to cover winners and losers with
a progressive payout or bonus for getting further in the playoff.And
all of the needless other bowls like GMAC whatever playing after Jan 1st will
hopefully go away, or host their games as usual as the meaningless consolation
bowls they already are.Everybody goes home happy...and the BCS has a
real national champion decided on the field.Oh but fans won't travel
to more than one game, you say. Yes they will, just like in like the basketball
tournament. Build it and they will come. The weekly build-up and frenzy for
tickets and TV viewers will be incredible.
@Pickle Juice, The Key to a BCS ...It's simple. The BCS needs to change so
schools like Boise, TCU, Utah and BYU can have the opportunity to go to a BCS
Bowl...They have opps to go to a BCS bowl game.Utah, BSU, TCU
all did. BYU has been able to go yet.It's the opportunity to go to a NC
that is not quite fair for the mid-majors yet.
Pickle Juice,the key to a BCS.I like your user name. And suspect
"pickle juice" is about the only BCS hope the kewgs have.
It's simple. The BCS needs to change so schools like Boise, TCU, Utah and BYU
can have the opportunity to go to a BCS Bowl.
All the ute hypocrisy is suffocating!! U were all crying so loud when you
didn't win the title when you whipped Alabama - BCS. Your esteemed president was
totally committed to the anti-trust law suit against the BCS a mere two months
ago. Now he says, "I will hold judgment until I have a chance to see it from the
inside." A cesspool is a cesspool whether you are swimming it or not. The
BCS is not and never will be about the best college football team in America.
Ever. It will always be about money. You only have to look as far as the
NCAA Tournament to see that. Sure, the big boys usually win but Butler was in
the final and almost won it all.Boise State in the NC this year? Ain't
gonna happen, the BCS will find a way. Mark my words.
re: ibleedcrimsonHow can you tell me that the BCS system didn't
treat Utah fairly in 2004 and 2008? We played to perfection and won a huge
share of the BCS pie. Does the BCS need tweaking to figure out who is the
national champion....probably. But that can be done within the BCS system. A
simple playoff between the BCS bowl qualifying teams would have perfected 2008
and 2004. Is it perfect? No, but what is? But by and large, the
money (which is what this is about, right), is being split up correctly to the
teams that earn the money.
@MUSSDadAre you serious, a 16-team playoff is too difficult for
these "men"? Get real. Get a job.The NCAA already holds a 16-team
playoff for Div. 1-AA and is looking at expanding it to 20 teams. It holds a
24-team playoff for Div. II. It holds a 16-team playoff for Div. III.So, unless you are suggesting that the players in Div. 1-A are morons and
can't handle it, how is it that every other division of NCAA football has a
16-team (or more) playoff and Div. 1-A doesn't?
The BCS needs to go. As a ute fan, Ill continue to fight it. @ hedgehog, its
always great to be a ute!
@Andy Tomasso...at least you have that hope that maybe one day you'll play
in the rose bowl...Ute fans will hope that Utah will go to the Rose
Bowl, the NC game and win it all.BYU fans will hope that BYU will go
to the 1st BCS bowl game --any BCS bowl game. Otherwise, they will continue to
talk about the game that happened a quarter of century ago. hahaha.Did someone just write...it's soooooooo goooooooood to be a Ute???
Conclusion: BCS is fairly compensating the best teams. Out of
curiostiy, and please be honest. How many Utah fan's felt this way in 2004 and
2008? I know I didn't.The system still needs to go.
Andy Tomasso, Yea, I got my feet up on the desk smoking a big
fat cigar … it’s good to be a Ute……Sorry about your BCS
angst but as I said, it’s sooo good to be a Ute.
I don't understand all the sour comments from Cougar fans. Seriously, they have
the same access to BCS games as Utah does. The only difference is Utah has done
it twice and BYU is still aching for "perfection." Really is the
BCS that unfair? My example, Wise Guys in SLC (a comedy club) charges a premium
price when they have a preimium comic coming into town. They both do the same
thing, but one gets paid more because he is gets more attention. College
football is the exact same, the more interesting teams that draw a national
audience like Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Florida, Alabama, and Utah draw the crowds
and are the national names so they should get paid accordingly. At the same
time, why should the less talented and teams with less following be paid the
same as the top names? Conclusion: BCS is fairly compensating the
This is funny. 6 months ago U fans and BYU fans could agree on how lame the bcs
is. now that the U hit the lottery by going to the pac all these lame U fans
(hedghog, chris b) think its great. the bcs is a joke. Ute fans talk how they
were robbed of a NC, and it was because of the BCS! enjoy winning six games a
season and fighting for that Vegas bowl appearance, at least you have that hope
that maybe one day you'll play in the rose bowl.
Mid-Major Cougars | 10:47 a.m. Aug. 25, 2010@Ravenal"BYU is
quite irrelevant in BCS system"And yet, Ute fans are the first to
bring them into the conversation. You claim BYU is irrelevant but it appears
they will always be relevant Utah fans.------------hedgehog |
10:49 a.m. Aug. 25, 2010and like pavlov's dog - you ring the
bell.It's just soo easy."Hedge, you missed on the
application of Pavlov's expiriment. Let me fix it for you. Pavlov would ring
the bell and the dog would come. Just like how you and other Y haters are now
conditioned to come running and post about BYU whenever there is an article
about college football.You're right hedgie. It is soo easy.
Big Hapa | 8:42 a.m. Aug. 25, 2010 So, Mr. "POLY" Cougar
Nation..."Always fallow the money that will lead you to the
culprits." Yeah, you're right. You must have been paying close
attention as BYU nearly destroyed the WAC in general and Utah State athletics
specifically for exactly the reason you cite.
The more comments I read from Utah fans, the clearer it becomes:Utah
may have moved on to AQ BCS land, but Utah's fans will always be mid-major.
Ordinarily, nobody would have a logical beef about the schools that draw more
eyeballs to TV sets getting more of the TV revenue. But the thing about the BCS
that will continue to create controversy is the so-called "BCS national
champion." The BCS championship game and the BCS agreement w/ the coaches poll
to require the voters to declare the winner of the BCS championship game as the
national champion is a thorn in the eye of anybody who realisitically has no
shot at being voted in, AQ or not. The poll voter's objectivity is suspect, as a
dispropertionate percentage of AQ coaches and AQ-covering media types are voters
in the various polls. The NCAA will remain toothless on this issue,
so Congress will have to step in and require that the term "national champion"
in college athletics be used only to designate the winner of a playoff that at
least includes a representative of each conference. The so-called AQ conferences
would still find a way to keep more of the money, but at least it wouldn't be at
the expense of on-field performance.
Pros of the BCS:---MWC and WAC teams can still get into BCS games, as they
have done it 6 times now. And with 5 BCS bowl games, it's even easier than ever
before. ---"Mid-major" teams are just as appreciated (and equally scoffed
at) as before the BCS came about.---Fans of the SEC can crow about them
being so freakishly awesome, even when they play cup-cake out of conference
schedules.Flaws of the BCS:---No playoff to crown a true
champion.---Big East is a BCS conference.---MWC is not a BCS
conference.---Haters of the SEC (me) see them as monopolizing everything.
And by monopolize I mean pay their payers outrageous sums of money while the
power brokers look away and blame "rogue agents."---The President of the
United States hates it.---Orrin Hatch hates it.---Urban Meyer and
the Ute faithful hat...wait, I don't know anymore.Bottom Line:Combine the two and have a "BCS playoff."7 AQ bids from the "BCS
conferences" (incl. MWC)4 remaining conferences (Sun B., MAC, WAC, C-USA)
play play-in games to decide two more spots.7 At-large bids.=
"Sweet Sixteen" of College football.
@Ernest T. Bass...The only real complaint is the fact that they haven't
won a National Championship. Utah deserved to be awarded the Championship in
2008. That is the only real complaint...Points well taken. I
agree.This year, there's been talk that BSU being ranked high early and
with its schedule may break into the NC game. I am hoping that with Utah's
strength of schedule, and if Utah can remain unbeaten, Utah can be in the NC
Ute fans can crow all they want now that they will share in PAC10 BCS earnings
from the Rose Bowl.However, earnings from one of their associates
participating in the BCS title game will probably not occur in the near future
for the now-weakened PAC10.So, it is indeed in their best, and only,
interest to keep the BCS intact, as is.
BCS conferences will always need “mid major” filler to round out
their bowl games. The “Conference of Champions” has extend
tremendous kindness in allowing the “mid majors” access to their
programs during bowl season — what else do you want?BYU should
feel honored to “possibly” have the chance to play on the same field
as a PAC 12 team
Mid Majors have proven the BCS is fairly easy to get in to. With non-BCS teams
making BCS bowls 6 times it certainly isn't impossible.The only real
complaint is the fact that they haven't won a National Championship. Utah
deserved to be awarded the Championship in 2008. That is the only real
complaint.As an idependent byu will have a more difficult time
reaching a BCS bowl than by going undefeated in the MWC. byu should be treated
like other independents, Army & Navy and they have to be in the top 2 in order
to go to the BCS. byu should have to do the same.
BCS is a joke if teams like BYU can't go to it.
It's going to be difficult for the U of U to support a highly visible anti BCS
campaign now they are part of the process. It's either going to be
construed as biting the hand that feeds you or as disengenous lip service to non
AQ schools still feeling left out. That being said they need to
continue to support changing the system. It's just as unfair now as it ever
"Not surprising, that Ute fans are the first to mention BYU in response to an
article about Utah and the BCS. I didn't even see BYU mentioned in the
article"Reavenal,and like pavlov's dog - you ring the
bell.It's just soo easy.
Ute4ever you made my day. That's the best post I have seen in awhile.Seriously though, the BCS is no worse than any other major player in the
American free enterprise system. The members of the BCS created the teams,
conferences and bowl games that represent the best in the country. There are
reasons that the Vegas bowl doesn't have the same draw that the Cotton, Rose and
Sugar bowls have.This year if BSU goes undefeated they will most
likely play for the NC. They had to earn it.The Orin Hatch crybaby
constituants should worry more about creating a better product than complaining
about not getting the love they think they deserve.
@Ravenal...I didn't even see BYU mentioned in the article...BYU is quite irrelevant in BCS system
@ ute4ever,I'm not even surprised you feel that way.
ute4ever,Well said. Little brothers will always be jealous now that
big brother is rightly represented amongst the big boys
BCS needs to allow mid-major schools like BYU to play in its bowl games
regardless of its record.
I agree, every regular season game should count, and all conference champions of
the FBS(I-A) should be in a playoff. But what to do about the bowls
and all that bowl money, whoa nelly! The bowls are the problem.
They reward nearly 80 teams with an extra practice season (coaches love that),
then send home 40 bowl champions with some cash in their pockets and send home
40 losers with some cash in their pockets.The fictional
opinion-poll-based BCS contrives a champion by pitting the two highest
vote-getters in their game, and they call it a done deal.The few
perennial powers at the top share the loot and the balance of teams are locked
out before the season begins, by the so-called pre-season polls.It's
big business, and the only way to break this financial monopoly is by
legislation or FTC litigation.Some will say there are more important
matters with our economy and our nation is at war on several battlefronts, but,
we will be playing college football until they turn the lights out. Amen.
BCS needs to go because BYU can't get into a BCS bowl game. It's totally
unfair that a team with rich football history (1984 NC; Lavell's football
dynasty in the 80s, 90s) has never been allowed to play in a BCS bowl game.
The reasons that BCS needs to go:1) BYU can't beat both Utah &
TCU (2011 & after: both TCU & BSU) in the same season --> BYU can't stay
unbeaten to crack into BCS2) BYU is not BCS caliber team --> can't
get into BCSSo, we all need another way (easier for BYU) to get into
(sort like 1984)
Can I just say that I now completely LOVE the BCS. What a great system. BYU
fans need to remember that they have access to the BCS every year also. Utah
and Boise, TCU and Hawaii know how to get to the BCS.I love the BCS
and I love the Conference of Champions, baby!!!!!!!!!! No more sour grapes
about the BCS from me.
Not surprising, that Ute fans are the first to mention BYU in response to an
article about Utah and the BCS. I didn't even see BYU mentioned in the article.
I used to hate the BCS. But now that my team in on the inside looking out, I
can see the logic in having the BCS formed. You don't want the cellar dwellars
like Louisianna Tech, Idaho, Wyoming, Bowling Green, or BYU stealing some of the
pie that is baked by the big name BCS programs like Florida, Texas, Ohio State,
USC, or Utah. It just makes sense that the people that bake the pie get to eat
the biggest piece.
Hey anti. BYU beat TCU 2 years in a row a couple years back and won the MWC
both years. The last 2 yrs TCU has had BYU's number but the Y has proven they
can beat anybody on any given day. Since TCU entered the league in 2005 the Y
is 2-3 against them with one game a thrilling 51-50 TCU victory in Provo. What
a game! Gotta love what's fast becoming a heated rivalry! Just for
records sake the Utes are 3-2 against TCU during that same time. Additionally
the Y is 3-2 against the Utes over that same time while winning 49 games and 2
conferance championships to the Utes 47 games and 1 conferance championship. The
utes put together a solid team every year and once in a while get a great team
and got into a BCS game going undefeated. The Y has been more consistent
winners since the Mendenhall/Whittingham era (not by much) but have failed to
get the perfect season like the Utes. Who's the better team? Certainly that is
debatable and skewed by who you root for. Good luck in the PAC ?? GO COUGARS!
@ Anti Bush-Obama,Really? That is why you think BYU is going
independent. Out of all the possible reasons that have been said in dozens of
articles the last 2 weeks (non of which even talk about your belief) you think
the reason why BYU might go independent is because they can't beat TCU. Nice
"A 16 team playoff is asking too much of college kids who have to deal with
academics in addition to a demanding football schedule. Two teams will end up
playing four additional games."Why is that?Every other
NCAA already does this, so why is it too much to ask of the major college
football programs.The BCS championship game will be played on
Janunary 10th, 2011 this season. TEN teams will play in five bowl games every
night from January 6th through January 10th.A 16-team playoff
beginning the 1st Saturday after Christmas would have been played January
22nd.Since Christmas Day is Saturday this, the playoffs could also
be started the Saturday before Christmas.Teams already play games
every Saturday for an entire semester, so why would four teams play an extra 2
or 1 weeks put any significant burden on them?
Re: livehard. The reason BYU is going independant is because they
can't beat TCU and can't go undefeated. Of course they will never admit it, but
Stating the obvious does not enhance the argument.Money, T.V. money is
what is pulling along this BCS wagon plain and simple.This loyalty
to tradition this and tradition that means nothing. The real underlying issue to
me is the administrations that will loss there jobs when these super conferances
do become a reality. Hum I wonder who the real fly in the ointment
is ?Always fallow the money that will lead you to the culprits."POLY" Cougar Nation
The minute the NCAA makes the statement that the BCS is not the National
Champion and that it requires a playoff to crown a champ - BCS is done
Live Hard |First BYU takes over the WAC, then the BCS (hugh??), then
the NCAA, then the WORLD and all the GLORY that comes with it!!!Now,
back on topic...A 16 team playoff is asking too much of college kids
who have to deal with academics in addition to a demanding football schedule.
Two teams will end up playing four additional games.How about
this...existing conferences combine into four super conferences and each decides
a conference champion. The field of four has a playoff. Two extra games at
Exactly who will "get rid" of the BCS? The weak, powerless
"mid-major" programs can stomp their feet and scream all they want - But unless
someone can figure out a monitary reason Y a team like Florida should be on
equal footing as a Wyoming, this fussing will go nowhere.
It may take legislation or a lawsuit to end the BCS monopoly. The NCAA seems
powerless to do anything and the power teams in the power conference have a
vested self-interest in preserving the BCS, no matter how broken or unfair it
You're right Matt!Get rid of the biased BCS and settle it on the
field with a 16 team playoff.All 11 league champions, plus five at
large teams.That way all we have to argue about are the at-large
Decide it on the field! Dump the BCS and the polls. Let every conference
regular season champion compete in a playoff. That way, every game will count,
and every team will have access. Do it now!
The BCS is not going away. It is going to adapt and morph into an even bigger
monster. It may even replace the NCAA for the big revenue teams. Conferences are going to make more changes. They are going to add teams or
dissolve existing conferences and merge the best parts into new conferences. The Big 12, Big East and ACC are especially vulnerable. The MTN is
already toast with the defection of Utah. The TX agreement may change the path
of the morph somewhat. Eventually there will be some type of minor
playoff but it will be run by the BCS. You are right about UT. They
did not join Nirvana. However, they are better off in the PAC than in the MTN.