BYU football: Y. ponders options to bolster national profile

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  • Uteology
    Aug. 22, 2010 5:02 a.m.

    Are my eyes deceiving me or did I just see a power point presentation by a BYU AD with a slide of "Football win over Oklahoma"? Oh boy, that is priceless.

    What was the next slide, a home video of Provo Airport celebrations?

  • Uteology
    Aug. 22, 2010 4:53 a.m.

    @blueturf | 11:19 p.m. Aug. 20, 2010

    My bad. The official name was Boise "Junior" College.

    So, if BYU wants respect then they should follow the footsteps of a former Division II "junior" college team.

    Aug. 21, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    Looks like Utah and BYU dont want to have to fight for 3rd place behind 1 Boise State every year! and 2 TCU. Yewte fans enjoy your 2 wins a year against Power houses Utah State and Washington State.


  • blueturf
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    BYU wants to bolster it's national profile it should do Boise Community College has done, win a couple of BCS games.............
    hmmmm Boise Community College? lets see here if i remember right the one and only time lately The "runnin" (don't make me laugh)Yewts played Boise State was up there on the "anthill" during homecoming 2006 and Boise rolled Yewtah 36-3 and don't give me it was a down year before you go calling anyone a "community college" play Boise more than once every 5 years on your non-conference schedule and "try" to win....good luck in your new conference it's a mediocre conference where the top team is going to be sanctioned.and the next best team may have 8 or 9 wins at best......
    As far as the Cittens go Boise owns you so leaving is your best option after this year if you don't leave all the better..
    Now that Fresneck St, and Nevaduh are part of the MWC. It's going to be fun pummeling them again along with the Toadies of TCU....Football will be fun in 2011....oh yeah fix the tv deal please

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    U will never be USC
    U will never be Oregon/Nike
    U will never be Washington
    U will never be ASU
    U will never be UCLA...


    Utah will always be (Running) Utes!!!

    Unlike BYU trying to be Notre Dame, Utah will be Utah. It's that simple!

  • Uteology
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:31 p.m.

    BYU wants to bolster it's national profile it should do Boise Community College has done, win a couple of BCS games.

    A team that is 3-3 in Vegas shouldn't be demanding a Notre Dame exception. More worthy be like somewhere in between the Navy and Army. Maybe finish in the top 4 in BCS standings to get AQ.

  • USportsFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:43 p.m.


    You can't even compete in the, as you say, lowly MWC, now.

    Is the PAC-10 that much better than MWC? So, you are saying that BYU should never be ranked because the MWC teams are that horrible and inferior to the PAC-10?

    BYU has had 3 Football championships in the MWC this decade. Yes, only 3. Utah has 3 MWC football championships in the same time period. We've already gone over head to head and bowl games. So, tell me, does BYU suck that much? Or are you just an eternal pessimist against the Utes?

    Didn't you read statement, in the last press release, that said "Holmoe urged BYU fans to be respectful of Utah fans". I guess you just don't care.

    Good luck to BYU football with the HUGE target on their backs this year. If you thought that teams in the MWC were bitter about Utah leaving for the PAC, think about how much this last couple days with BYU will sit with them... I was thinking finishing 3rd in conference with 9-3 or 8-4 for BYU would be good. That might be optimistic.

  • Bluto
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:07 p.m.


    Your inflated opinion of yourself is greatly exagerrated.

    U will never be USC
    U will never be Oregon/Nike
    U will never be Washington
    U will never be ASU
    U will never be UCLA

    U will become the next wait for it...
    Washington State....

    Every league has it's bottom-feeders and Utah is the latest arrival.

    Your Football stadium is the 2nd smallest in the Pac12.
    U does not even have a Track...
    nor a Baseball stadium...Soccer stadium etc.

    and right now, as we speak, Utah has the poorest facilities "overall" in the Pac-12, with the exception of Washington State.

    You can't even compete in the, as you say, lowly MWC, now.

    What makes you think you will barnstorm your way into the new League?

    The Pac 12 puts great emphasis on the Olympic Sports.
    What are U going to do?

    BYU has won half of the Championships in all sports, of every Conference they have been in, for 40 years.

    Last year, BYU had 9 Conference Championships, par for the course.

    The U had 1, yes 1, in Tennis.

    That is your future Utes, Enjoy!

  • Go Big Blue!!!
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    Running Scared!

    PAC 12 and Big XII don't want you. Your enemy has joined a much better conference that will earn it a vastly increased amount of $$$ and exposure. You are destined to be a distant 3rd in your conference in football.

    It is no wonder the y is scrambling to make lemonade out of all of its recent lemons. Cheers!

  • Dig Dug
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    Johnny Ace,

    The Y joining the Big?? would be amazing. All of sudden, Utah college football would be the biggest ticket around. Can you imagine the U bringing in PAC teams and the Y bringing in BIG?? teams? We would have 16+ amazing games every year between the two schools. I would probably die a couch potato!

    It's all far out speculation, but I can't imagine the Y isn't trying to somehow land a spot in a big conference eventually. Long-term, it's the only way to keep the program running IMO. I think independence in the short term would be okay, but ultimately you'd be better off with guaranteed money, scheduling, and profile of a big conference.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed, all of a sudden the state would be a football Mecca for us fans!

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    That wasn't my quote I was replying to it. See the next paragraph.

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:46 p.m.

    ...The Utes will also have to go undefeated in their new league, else they'll most likely not get a bcs bowl game or a chance at a nc game...

    Not when Utah is in Pac-12. Remember USC won NC with a early-in-the-season loss couple of years back?
    That is the beauty of being in a major AQ conference.
    Utah can still go into BCS bowl (or NC game) with 1 loss --if Utah is ranked high enough and wins Pac-12

  • Johnny Ace
    Aug. 20, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    Why is this not seen for what it is? BYU independence is nothing more than as stopgap solution for then next 2-3 years until the Big 12 decides it would like to have a conference championship game again. Then BYU can come to the table with a proven history of being able to schedule big opponents, rake in TV ratings and revenue dollars on their own and show that they can be a contributing member of a big time conference and not a leeching one (like every other member of the current and future MWC and half the current Big 12). That would be an impressive resume.

  • TheHailstorm
    Aug. 20, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    Lets' see I want to play football , but not with the WAC. Oh, and then we can play basketball in the WCC against Gonzaga.
    O.K, then the Big West can have our girls Cross- Country team.
    But all of this has been in the planning stages for several years now, that's why Tom Holmoe has been mute , careful not to give away our secret plans.
    What we really want is the exposure as a good missionary tool and enter the homes of 60 million people, even though that number is 4 x the church population..but now we can broadcast !!
    Oh goody , goody, the Cougars can play Texas and we'll just let the other schools from C-USA and the MWC can have their own playoff for the BCS.
    It's all in the planning.
    Yeah Cougs, we sure showed them !!

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    Hedgehog: So are you calling ND hypocritical for being independent in FB and having affiliation with a conference in their other sports?

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    Hedghog: Anyone who "no's" (knows) anything, knows that no means the opposite of yes, and know means acquiring knowledge. If you don't "no" (know) the difference, your posts would appear to be less than credible. Have a good day and God bless!

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    The Utes will also have to go undefeated in their new league, else they'll most likely not get a bcs bowl game or a chance at a nc game

    How do you figure? They need only win their PAC 12 division to get into the conference championship game. They need to win that game to be in the Rose bowl. Neither requires an undefeated season just more wins than the other members of their division.

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    The Utes will also have to go undefeated in their new league, else they'll most likely not get a bcs bowl game or a chance at a nc game

    How do you figure? They need only win their PAC 12 division to get into the conference championship game. They need to win that game to be in the Rose bowl. Neither requires an undefeated season just more wins than the other members of their division.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    "I'm also disagreeing. The option for BYU is the BCS busting, not BYU busting the BCS."


    And for what reason(s) would the BCS “break”?

    Currently there is no legal jurisdictions connected to the BCS and has no affiliation to the NCAA. Why would the “haves” want to share with the “have not’s” ? As much as it might be unfair, the BCS is not illegal in any shape of fashion.

    Unless you can give me a legal reason Y the BCS powers that be would want to share with “mid majors” I think you’re just being delusional. Your also being very hypocritical as well, Is it not the case that BYU is attempting to separate itself from their “mid major” brethrens? Is it fair to San Jose state that BYU doesn’t have to play football in the WAC but would get the conference benefits from basketball?

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    No matter how you try to polish the image...a Pinto can't be turned into a BMW.
    Or can it?

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    Is it just only feels so GOOOOOOOOOOD to be a Utes fan recently?????

    Utah: to be in Pac-12 in 2011. Major AQ conference.

    BYU: struggling to respond to the Utes moving to Pac-12 but not wanted by Big-12, is trying the old AA WACky or WCc. How pathetic!!!

    It's sure good to be a Utes fan!!!

    PS...I do feel bad for our little brothers in Provo...hahaha

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    Wanna boost your national profile? Earn it on the field the way Utah has. Quit asking for handouts, BYU. Roll up your sleeves, get to work and earn it.

    Is there anything more annoying than people asking for handouts when others have worked to earn theirs?

  • Johnny Triumph
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    The Big12 will want another conference championship football game, and won't wait years for it. BYU will be a prime candidate for that hole, and received validation of that point by getting Texas to come to Provo. Validation by large schools, especially someone like Texas who has TV aspirations like BYU already has in place, will lead to the exposure that BYU should have and will thus lead to advanced opportunities for the school and increased visibility for the Church.

  • SportzFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    Dear Texas:

    We currently own a channel on cable/satellite which can broadcast multiple programs simultaneously. Invite us and Boise/TCU into the Big-Howmany? and you can once again have a championship game and we will hook you up on one of our channels for free for x years.

    Dear Boise/TCU:

    We currently own a channel on cable/satellite which can broadcast multiple programs simultaneously. Go with us to the WAC and we can all be seen on ESPN. We will also hook you up on one of our channels for free for x years.

  • SportzFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    I can't believe it... I'm agreeing with hedgehog | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010, twice in the same week.

    As conferences get bigger, they will play more games in-conference, i.e., the PAC-10, which leaves

    I'm also disagreeing. The option for BYU is the BCS busting, not BYU busting the BCS.

  • Henry Drummond
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    It seems this whole "exposure" thing goes through stages. BYU Football wins a lot of games but nobody cares because of the competition they play. BYU schedules impressive opponents and gets steam rollered and their fans and recruits go away. BYU pulls back on the schedule and the fans and recruits come back. Now it looks like they are going back to playing impressive teams like Texas. My guess is that if the fans and recruits are patient this will work. Whether they will be or not is of course problematic.

  • Captain L
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    All of you negative bloggers continue to harp on the same thing. When are you going to get it. Sports in and of itself is not the reason that BYU is considering going independent. Utah going to the PAC 10/12 has little or nothing to do with it. The move to being an independent in football has been in the works for years, not just since UofU accepted an invitation to the PAC 10.
    BYU will study things out and make a decision that will be best for the University and their goals, (not necessarily sports related).

  • Bugoff
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    @hedge Your comments on ND and the Big 10 are quite relevant. You should make more contributions like that.

    I tend to agree with most of what you said about independence except for one thing. I think the Texas arrangement will become the norm for the Universities that can pull it off. If they can muscle the conference they are in they will demand their TV broadcast rights and more money from the conference based on their TV draw.

    I suspect FL would not be able to muscle the SEC but USC could roll the PAC12. It depends on the balance between the TV draw of the big national teams in the weak teams in each conference.

    You get a hybrid between conferences and independence. You are going to see more of that.

    The WAC was BYU's back up plan. That has problems right now.

    It is possible that the Big 12 might cut a non football deal with BYU. Scheduling tends to be more flexible in basketball and baseball. BYU tends to be a power in other minor sports. It may be good for both BYU and the Big 12.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:42 a.m.


    Holmoe (unfortunate name) has no plan B. Why the tds is not up in arms about his incompetence is beyond me. Holmoe feel asleep behind the wheel for over 10 years as Utah executed a strategy to further the Universities interest. Only now, in a knee jerk reaction, does Holmoe bring up the magical broadcasting machine.

    Does it not seem odd that BYU decides to make this ill fated move only weeks after Utah steals all the limelight. As I’m sure most kewgs no, envy is a sin — and without a plan B, they shall be punished

  • Bugoff
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    There are really only 3 options for BYU in the long run, in order for them to get the TV coverage needed.

    1. The MTN TV contract needs to be scrapped. BYU has to have the ability to broadcast all of it's sporting events. Major games like Texas need to have true national coverage by major networks. In that case BYU could stay in the MTN.

    2. BYU could go independent. That has many advantages but some risk. That was a great option until NV and FSU jumped and gutted the WAC. If independence did not work BYU could rejoin the WAC and do no worse than BSU has done in the past. IF the WAC can get enough football teams they are still a viable option.

    It sounds crazy but maybe BYU could cut a non football deal with the Big East like ND has? That helps the Basketball team. Maybe the Big 12 would cut a non football deal?

    3. Get into a BCS conference such as the BIG 12 which allows schools to broadcast their own content.

    BYU did not build the TV resources for student training. They are going to use those resources.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    Dear MichiganKewg,

    What has so-called "30 years of BYU notoriety" brought to BYU?
    Still WACky.
    Or worse yet, WCC.


  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Dear MichiganCu,

    We understand the frustrations.
    We understand the works that BYU have been trying to keep up with Utah's move to Pac-12 have been difficult.
    We understand Cougarettes like yourself must be eager to wait for news...

    Keep trying and working it out. I am sure Holmo and Broco will come up with some thing --perhaps better than WACky and WCc.

    Good luck!!!

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    Living in the ND backyard and BIG 10 country, I get a pretty good inside perspective on the challenges of going the Independent route. Trust me when I say it’s not if but when ND will be FORCED to join a BCS conference. Rumors are flying that the BIG 10 will create an embargo of sorts by not letting current and future members play ND — unless they join.

    Currently ND has had the luxury of having 3-4 BIG 10 opponents baked in every year — drawing off the BIG 10 tit will end. The option of ND switching out Michigan (and other big market programs) for BYU is unacceptable. Also, the ridiculously rich BIG 10 network just got richer with NEB joining — so the revenue opps. are just about equal to what ND gets with NBC .

    The reality is that the only long term solution is joining a BCS conference and I just don’t see the BiG 12 inviting BYU - ever.

  • JYM
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    I've read countless versions of what BYU could do as an indy, all involving leagues in the West. Why don't we look east toward the Big 12/10 with the same independent deal that was wanted with the WAC?

    The only reason Texas didn't want more in the conference was because they didn't want more mouths to feed at the TV table. If we join the Big 12/10 for all other sports and bring our own lunch as an independent in football then we don't take anything away from TX et al. The hoops and other sports are great, the facilities are big time, and the exposure is in a BCS environment. Plus, BYU's TV exposure for all of the smaller sports would boost all of the BIG 12 athletics.

  • Not_Scared
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    It's an interesting thought. You have people gathered together as a marketing teams brainstorming on increased brand recognition for BYU.

    There's these biblical verses like :"“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many."

    Narrowness as been supplanted by many as the metric of a church's success.

    There was the Winter Games, Prop 8 and now this?

  • nehu
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    Wo wo why are people assuming I'm a Ute? I can promise a lot of things but being a Ute is not one of them. So "counter intelligence" and "bluto" if those are your real names (what was that comment all about) stop making assumptions because you know what that does.

    Bluto I still like your "So know this" comment, what is that supposed to strike fear into my soul? You follow that up with a new paragraph that isn't even a new sentence, that is weird.

  • Captain L
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    All of you ute fans (or others who criticise) are up in the night and you just don't get it, let me repeat that, you don't get it, that is probably why you are ute fans.
    The exposure that BYU wants is partially for the sports (football) programs but mostly and more importantly it is for exposure to BYU as an entity of the church and the message of the restored gospel. Go back and read Harmons article of a few days ago. He hit it right on the head. The reason to go independent is not so much for sports reasons, it's not money, it is for greater exposure to the nation (and the world for that matter)about what the church's goal is, to bring the message of the restored gospel to everyone. The sports programs of the University are tools and every tool available will be used to try to get that message into as many homes as possible. The big picture isn't sports (football), it's the message of the restored gospel. Do you get it yet?

  • scott
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    Wiley Old School

    Thank you for finally be willing to acknowledge your own faults

    -Trying to get out of the TV contract that Utah endorsed

    -Positioning Utahs efforts as something that would help the MWC and then jumping ship


    As for your other points:

    -BYU didn't hang USU out to dry; FSU and UNR are solely to blame there

    -Throwing every non-football BYU athlete and coach under the bus? hardly, BYU is trying to get back their own brand to be able to broadcast EVERY BYU athletic team on BYU-TV and provide national exposure to all

    -Since when is having confidence in your own self worth a fault unless you're just a pathetic BYU hater who simply wants to see BYU fail miserably at every endeavor

    -There is no blurred line; BYU has always been very clear about its ultimate mission which includes using athletics as a means of spreading the Word

    You should be fully invested in BYU's mission, which, supposedly, is exactly the same as yours

    Doesn't mean you have to be a BYU fan, but, at the very least, you should support BYU's goal to represent the church through athletics

  • hedgelog
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    u fans...your basketball program is in the dumps and you have only girls gym for olympic sports. You are football only! My what a powerhouse u are!

  • Y's Guy
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    Yo, hedge-your-bets: I see you've posted another terrific, insightful comment! And, I love your sentence structure! You da man!

  • Tommy2Shoes
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    I like the new mwc and hope they add Houston. But if we go it alone in football and align ourselves with another conference for other sports I'll still be a Cougar. This may be the only way to gain enough extra revenue to keep up with BCS teams. If we can go undefeated we get into a BCS bowl, if not, anyplace but Vegas is a step up. The Utes will also have to go undefeated in their new league, else they'll most likely not get a bcs bowl game or a chance at a nc game. Let's hope all is well.

  • BlueSaint
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    Hey, here's a thought!...Why does'nt BYU just buy their way into these power conferences?...drop a few million into their greedy pockets, and see who accepts! After all, isn't all this about money?...If any football program in the country has the money, it's BYU!

  • wyoming cougar
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    re: rvalens2 | 7:14 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010

    That would be better quality basketball than the utes have brought to Provo for quite some time now.

  • Wiley Old School
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Seems to me that BYU is reinforcing the Utah County ethics stereotype:

    * Trying to get out of the TV contract that BYU endorsed and helped establish (not unprecedented behavior, e.g. not honoring the last year of Crowton's contract)

    * Positioning their efforts as something that would help the WAC yet trying to limit WAC team options so that BYU can achieve it's end-game

    * Leveraging USU's honor and goodwill and leaving them hanging out to dry

    * Throwing every non-football athlete and coach at BYU under the bus

    * Believing their own hype about the potential upside (just like Utah County pyramid schemes)

    * Blurring the lines between business/athletics and religion (implicitly if not explicitly)

    It's things like this that cause me to wince just a little bit when I sign an idealistic young person's ecclesiastical endorsement for an application to BYU. (BYU is a fine institution but I, from an admittedly biased perspective, am not "fully invested" when it comes to BYU's athletic program.)

  • biffula
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:58 a.m.

    Byu is kidding themselves if they think the pastures are greener as a football independent. They're not Notre Dame as much as they'd like to think they are. I think the main reason they want to bolt is because they're tired of finishing 3rd in the mountain west all the time.

  • MichiganCoog
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    Dear Ute-dorks,

    Keep up your childish attitudes...your so-called acceptance into the PAC10 is going to be your demise. Ask WSU, OSU, ASU, AU how much notoriety they have enjoyed over the past 30 years? Nobody along the east coast gives a dang about what goes on, on the left-coast, because most of their games are on after everyone else has gone to bed. Utah's inclusion into that so-so league may get you some more cash, but notoriety? Forget it boys, you'll disappear into oblivion with your 7-5 records that will become the norm. Laugh all you want about BYU begin stuck in the MWC (for now). Whatever happens regarding this conference alignment talk, BYU will always be superior to Utah. It has for the past 40 years when college football grew to prominance, and will continue to do so from here on. Your 6 years of excitement just doesn't measure up to BYU's 30 years of notoriety. Great accomplishments concerning Utah's RECENT run, but that is about to stop. Scoreboards never lie, and will never change in the future. GOOD LUCK LITTLE RED FACED BOYS, You'll needIT!

  • Cougar Blue
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:41 a.m.

    I was wondering about the Y's involvement in the discussions between the MWC and Fresno and Nevada. Thanks to Boise State's Pres., that's cleared up in my mind. The WAC would be wise to pick up at least Montana from the Big Sky. Their football program has had national limelight for years.

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:31 a.m.

    hedgie! Welcome back! Must be a BYU article. Let's see if you're commenting on the Utah article..... nope! 0 Comments actually! Yep, good time to be a bandwa- ...Ute.

  • Monsieur le prof
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:30 a.m.

    @T.S.Zarathrustra: bitterness is not becoming, my brother. Nothing has been thwarted and there is no tantrum, merely an ambitious plan to elevate the Y football program so that more people can see it on TV, while at the same time raising much more revenue.

    It sounds like a smart move, but nothing is set in stone as of yet. Things will work out one way or another. (And there is no apostrophe in its. Did you forget your punctuation rules already? Tsk,tsk...)

  • Hawk
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    HOO HOO! Nehu, stop man -- I'm laughing so hard I can't breath! First of all, why do you care (oh yeah, the BYU obsession thing -- sorry, forgot about that, li'l bro)? Secondly, tell me again why the utes bolted for the coast? And PLEASE don't tell me it was for more exposure, higher national profile, to better their athletes, increase BCS and NC opportunities, or to increase football revenues, 'cause now any of those answers would REALLY make your criticisms look hypocritical. You're killin' me, man!

  • Howard S.
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:25 a.m.

    Re: T.S.Zarathrustra | 6:28 a.m.

    "What BYU looks like is a thwarted jealous child throwing a tantrum over the success of it's rival."


    BYU seems to be willing to sacrifice their non-football athletes and coaches for a few Thursday night football games on ESPN.

  • wayne
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:23 a.m.

    way stop now that all the competition has left the WAC. Go be a big fish in a small pond and forget about playing for a big bowl. isn't that what this is all about. playing on ESPN and not MTN and not playing in bowl games, not having the protection from negative exposure when you are bad.

    How can playing a few games on ESPN be worth missing out on the exposure of bowl games. The BCS is not going to make BYU the same deal they did Notre Dame. All the lower tier bowl games are affiliated with conferences BYU would be iced out of those games. If you are talking exposure why consider going independent. you loose a lot of exposure going independent. I will grant you that the MTN contract needs to be fixed.

    why is it that every time BYU and its conference is about to make a big splash it bails. BYU got exposure alright. This week the current administration from president to AD have exposed themselves as just like the other guy underhanded, conniving and selfish. Just the image the church wants. and the next president of BYU and AD are?

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:14 a.m.

    "BYU could strike a deal with another league – the West Coast Conference."

    San Diego
    Santa Clara
    Saint Mary's
    San Francisco
    Loyola Marymount

    Oh ya ... that lineup is a real "Murderer's Row." :o)

    I'm sure BYU's basketball fans are chomping at the bit to see those teams come to Provo.

  • SportsFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:49 a.m.

    As usual, another jealous, BYU obsessed Utah troll, this one hiding behind the nehu moniker, staying up until after midnight just to spam another BYU blog with inane comments.


    Nevada and Fresno State would be better off staying in the WAC and convincing UNLV and SDSU to join them with a renegotiated ESPN

    New WAC
    --in Football
    Utah State
    San Jose State
    Fresno State
    New Mexico State
    UTEP/La. Tech

    --in all other sports
    Utah State
    San Jose State
    Fresno State
    New Mexico State
    UTEP/La. Tech

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:47 a.m.

    Wants to bolster its national profile?

    Try to get into BCS bowl first.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:42 a.m.


    Is playing in gym's that hold 1,500 and an occasional 11:30pm game on cable what Holmoe after?

    All I can say is...It's great to be Ute!!

  • Bluto
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:34 a.m.


    One thing is for certain, nehu, if that's your real name?

    ESPN would never be interested in cutting an "Individual" deal with the Utes.

    Again, your worth hinges on others. As you had with BYU for 40 years.

    BYU's position is secure and is strong enough to stand alone, if need be, with those who are in the know.

    ESPN is negotiating with BYU as an Independent, no conference coat-tails here.

    They know the value of BYU.

    When Utah had it's greatest win ever, against Alabama, it was still "BYU", that ESPN contacted, for the Grand Opening of Jerry's World, not Utah!

    So save your condescending attitude and know this....

    BYU may or may not go Independent, but, they have the "Option" to do on their own, what Utah can only do as a group. (that is, match dollar for dollar any money Utah might attain)

    BYU simply wants to "Own" it's "Brand" and market it accordingly.

    This idea of BYU, which draws 65k a game, has a National following, (yes, we know, they are not Notre Dame), and boosts attendance by 10-15k at away games, equally splitting revenue with

  • T.S.Zarathrustra
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:28 a.m.

    What BYU looks like is a thwarted jealous child throwing a tantrum over the success of it's rival.

  • JMT
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:43 a.m.

    nehu, such cynacism with absolutely zero illumination, other than a bitter mind. And BCS is gaining prominence? If you mean more and more people discuss it as cartel, yes it is becoming more prominent.

  • Rob of NV
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:20 a.m.

    The Big West Conference offers 16 sports that line up well with the sports that BYU offers. All of the teams are in CA. Perhaps this conference would be a better fit than the West Coast.

  • rj
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:20 a.m.

    I like the WCC for men's basketball! BYU joining the likes of Gonzaga and St. Mary's would give the conference a potent rpi boost. Why not?

  • nehu
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:17 a.m.

    Tom took time out during education week? What is Tom an educator or just the mastermind behind BYU's numerous Vegas bowl appearances? OK maybe he is both but look BYU your national profile isn't going to change too drastically. You may be in a conference that has IND, WCC, WAC or even MWC but none of these are affiliated with BCS. Your profile can only be raised as much as the next Elder's quorum discussion will allow it so while you continue to raise the profile and do things to bring the Y to prominence and put those around you down, in reality your rise to prominence is nothing more than Vegas Bowl greatness. I may have mentioned that a time machine is the only real thing that will bring a "raised profile" to BYU, and that is only if it can be set to 84'.

    Again this whole thing is really quite silly, universities tossing integrity out the window because they want to raise profiles and better their student athletes . . . wow it is getting deep in here.

    Meanwhile BCS is raising their profile and gaining prominence-guess we know who the smart ones are.