Report: Utah State turned down MWC membership

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  • MOUte
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    royalblue | 8:33 p.m. Aug. 20, 2010

    Utah's departure from the MWC was above board without special agreements negotiated and signed behind closed doors. BYU's departure was intentionally designed to hurt the MWC and involved building alliances and cutting deals with the WAC that would serve BYU interests. That conference is now destroyed because BYU walked away when they determined their interests would not be served. BYU is starving for attention and will do anything necessary to grab the spot light. It was all about BYU.

    Selfishness destroys relationships. That's the difference between Utah's departure and BYU's departure so don't spend so much effort trying to flatter yourself.

  • Archie
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Here's the key...

    "As part of the WAC's conversations with BYU, the current eight conference members (excluding departing Boise State) agreed to remain together as a conference for at least five years. This stability was important to BYU, to other current members, and would have been critical as other expansion options were explored."

    The question is did the WAC teams make this agreement in good faith with the intention of making BYU comfortable joining the WAC, OR did BYU require the agreement and dictate the terms before they joined. As reported earlier, BYU used Utah State to help bring them into the conference.

    If the latter, then yes...BYU shares an ethical culpability in this mess. To simply dismiss BYU walking away from the WAC because UNR and FSU reneged on their agreement is an over simplification of the issue, I believe.

    We will never have enough detail to determine culpability but BYU's role in this should not be casually dismissed particularly in light of the damage that has been done.

    My guess is that the WCC is right now drawing up a similar agreement requiring the member schools stay with the conference.

  • royalblue
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:33 p.m.

    Utah leaves the MWC and there's hardly a ripple.

    The MWC simply follows through on plans that had been discussed for a couple of years and invites Boise State, another solid football program, to replace Utah.

    BYU threatens to leave the MWC and there's a major earthquake.

    The MWC goes into full panic mode and invites two teams that weren't even on the radar. Just two more mouths to feed from a very meager pie.

    BYU is planning to do what Utah in their wildest dreams could never do, go independent with ESPN as their partner.

    Right after Utah's greatest season ever. After busting the BCS for the 2nd time and beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, who did ESPN turn to to create a made for television college football game for the grand opening of Jimmy Jones Stadium.

    Not Utah.

    It was BYU!

  • B
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:31 p.m.

    As a USU alum, let me go ahead at this point, and puke in my mouth. We said no to what?!

  • stanfunky
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    Stan Albrecht also stated in his letter that the WAC could survive with the minimum 6 teams mandated by NCAA. This is incorrect, as the NCAA Bylaws state that EIGHT teams are required. He needs to read up on the bylaws and then re-think his position on the MWC.

  • Aggie84
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    Do they not have any rules in the NCAA for teams or players who break the rules. Seems to me that the NCAA should do some sanctions on teams who bolt from signed agreements. Look at what kind of mess it is going to be to clean all this up. No university should be allowed to leave a conference for 5 years in order to have time to make the necessary arrangements. Once those arrangements have been made the NCAA should govern them and take sanctions on institutions which break their contracts with their individual conferences.

  • donburi
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    We have seen only Act 1 so far. There are many more Acts to go before this is over.

    Money/Exposure is the key, and in this case Money/Exposure = TV. That's something the MWC does not have. Inviting more teams reduces the money even more. I read that the mtn. refuses to renegotiate the contract until 2016 no matter what changes are made to MWC membership. Such a small contract, combined with the huge contracts BCS conferences are getting, is a death knell for the MWC.

    I agree with topjimmy's comment that a rising WAC and a falling MWC are now possible due to TV which could result in some MWC teams jumping ship, and maybe BSU canceling its invitation. Or the idea that a new best of the MWC/WAC/CUSA conference could emerge, which should deserve BCS AQ from the start.

  • Aggie24
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:28 p.m.


    Why the sucker-punch generalization of all USU fans? Why don't you state something useful in your post rather than attacking an entire fan-base? Are there Aggie fans who blame BYU? I'm sure there are; that doesn't make your generalization true. There are SOME fans of every school - USU, BYU, Utah - who would fit into almost any negative classification you could muster. That's a far cry from proving any sweeping generalization of those fan bases to be true. There are also at least some (probably most) fans of every school in Utah who are very good people. So do us all a favor and spare us your evaluation of "psychological needs."

    Aug. 20, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    I love how Zoobies say it is Utahs fault for all of this happening... Get real Yners, Everybody knew for quite awhile that Utah would eventually be going to the Pac, yBU has been talking about joining another conference for quite a while as well... You guys did it to yourselves, Leave Utah out of the discussion, It is not there problem and never will be!!

  • topjimmy
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:42 p.m.

    Much of this banter is uneducated non-sense. BYU will not leave USU high and dry in this one...they need each other at this point. If BYU stays in the MWC, it will be with the stipulation that USU come on board as the 12th team. If BYU stays independent, which is the most likely case, the WAC will become a stronger conference than it was previously because of BYU's television capabilities. Ultimately, I see a shift coming that will cause the WAC to become the MWC, and the current MWC becoming the new WAC. In either scenario USU comes out better than they started. We will have to wait and see, but at this time, the biggest losers from all of this may be the MWC, as well as FSU and UNR. The Aggies will be rewarded for their integrity, so you those of you so-called Aggies who are hating right now should get get out some salt and pepper because you will soon be eating some crow...we don't need your money, and I know many people who would be glad to take your season tickets off your hands.

  • BP
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    If the contract has been broken, I think USU should be invited to the MWC. Its major sports (basketball and football) are on the rise. Its a geographially good fit, and the league may as well have 12 teams if its going to have 11.

    This is one BYU fan that would welcome USU with open arms.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    It is sad how USU was so in love with the mid-major down south than their own best interest.

  • cval
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:37 p.m.

    Uteology | 11:52 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010

    BYU got caught doing back door deals and now has to mend fences or join the irrelevant WAC or WCC.

    Not sure why you refer to private negotiations as "back door deals." Would you suggest that all negotiations be conducted publicly in the press?

    There is nothing wrong with negotiating in private and not announcing things until the details are worked out. In fact, that is the best.

  • DocSarvis
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:28 p.m.

    Aggie fans have some sort of psychological need to blame others for their failures. They've been blaming Utah and BYU for years for not getting into the WAC/MWC. Now, they have the opportunity to get into the MWC and turn it down. Incredible. Of course, they'll now blame Nevada, Fresno State, and BYU for their situation. It must make them feel better somehow to always be the loser and victim.

  • Dig Dug
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:19 p.m.


    Does everything have to turn into a bash fest? (I'm talking to both sides). Obviously if Utah had stayed, BYU would still be in the MWC along with TCU and BSU and we'd all be happy waiting to fight for AQ status. The Y is a major player here, but it wasn't all based on them coming or going. If the Y had left for greener pastures and the MWC remained with Utah, TCU, and BSU, I don't think the sky would be falling like it is now.

    The MWC losing 2 big dogs in 1 summer is a huge blow. I can't say the remains are nearly as good as what it was. TCU and BSU will be fighting most years for the championship, with AF trying to play spoiler if it can. The other teams (including the two new guys) are irrelevant at this point.

    I feel awful for the athletes in the other sports; football will be okay but the other sports are going to be big losers potentially. Poor kids, they don't have any say in any of this either!

  • Uteology
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    This seems to validate Utah's irrelevance and BYU's immense significance


    This jst a guess but I think BYU wold trade one PAC-12 invite over being significant and playing as a mid-major.

    BYU got caught doing back door deals and now has to mend fences or join the irrelevant WAC or WCC.

  • ouisc
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Ease up on Utah State for this decision. USU football is turning a corner, and will even appear on ESPN this season. They will earn more money from these ESPN games than they would for an entire year on the Mountain. The MWC is a step backwards, and since USU is looking long-term, I'm sure they know that Boise State and TCU will not be in the MWC much longer. It's the MWC that is embarassing everyone with their stupid Mountain network.

    I'm glad to see Fresno State in the MWC. Nobody has ever accused FSU of any kind of intelligence, and they just bought their ticket into the land of football obscurity. Sad to see Nevada shoot themselves in the foot, but what else can you do.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    "can't believe that most people don't see who the true villain is. The MWC."

    Aggie Bob,

    The true villain, as usual is tds.

    1)Was it not the tds who in the dark of the night forced the WAC to have all their members sign a 5MM buyout prior to stabbing the MWC in the back?
    2)Is is not the tds who put all the MWC programs — including the two of the three teams that actually brought BCS Bowl national notoriety — into jeopardy?
    3)Was it not the tds who forced the MWC to do what it had to do to keep the conference viable and in essence destroy WAC? All because BYU can’t handle Utah grabbing the spotlight.

    The honorable thing for BYU to do is just leave and go Independent in all sports.

  • hatuletoh
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    I feel bad for Boise St. and TCU. They are quality programs that deserve quality conferences. I suppose the same can be said for BYU (that was hard to type, but truth is truth), however, this mess is at least partly of their own making.

    Hindsight being 20/20, BYU would have been wise to have just stood pat this year, cut some deals in the interim, and made their move next summer. Maybe the thought of all that sweet, sweet ESPN money sparked them to premature action. As much as I love watching them lose on the football field, though, I hope that they land on their feet. Nobody wins if the Mountain West--region, not conference--turns into winless sports wasteland. One perpetually 1-12 program is quite enough for this state. No offense, USU folks. Would love to see you turn it around.

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    Re: - Linus

    I agree with you on the part about this being an exciting chess game.

    Though ... the attraction is more like seeing an accident coming and then watching it happen in slow motion.

    Who winds up deceased and who survives is yet to be determined? But somehow we just can't take our eyes off the action.

  • aggie bob
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    I can't believe that most people don't see who the true villain is. The MWC. They got word of BYU talking to USU. So who do they contact first to mess over BYUs plans? USU. In USUs eyes, the future of the WAC only gets better (with the addition of BYU, and Fresno and Nevada staying). Understandably, they decline the offer of the MWC. The MWC thinks of the next worst thing to mess over BYUs and the WACs plans and they contact Fresno and Nevada. Unfortunately, those idiots join. The MWC was on its way out and they knew it. TCU was surely going to leave if BYU was gone. They desperately tried to stay alive by blatantly messing over the WAC. Its rotten by all accounts.

  • Dave from Taylorsville
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    Would you people please get off your ignorant high horses.

    USU didn't bolt. . . not because of "integrity", but because THEY DON'T HAVE THE 5 MILLION DOLLAR BAIL OUT NEEDED TO LEAVE THE W.A.C.

    Secondly- It's USU that owes BYU over MANY years. Playing them each year COSTS B.Y.U. USU is among the BOTTOM tear of the Div. 1 schools, and I mean "scrapping" the bottom. They don't even have any business in the MWC.

    Thirdly- The way things stand NOW. . . USU will be one of the "better" football teams in the WAC.

  • Tacoholic
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Re: Cobalt

    I don't think it's up to ESPN to fix it. In fact ESPN should stay the heck out. My question is where is the NCAA to step in and say enough is enough and lay down some laws.

    I'm not BYU fan, not by a long shot. But I'm having a hard time seeing how it's their fault. If BYU were to have any control in the situation then BYU would be independent in football and an affiliate in all other sports and there wouldn't be such a big fuss about realignment and we'd have a very happy USU team.

  • Linus
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    Face it; this is the most exciting chess game you and I have ever watched. Anonymous sources and conference commissioners are making moves that surprise and frustrate each other and entertain the rest of us.

    I find it interesting that Utah tipped the first domino, but BYU, which is still studying the game board, is blamed for massive disruption. This seems to validate Utah's irrelevance and BYU's immense significance.

  • Cobalt
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    This conference allignment thing is driving me crazy. ESPN could clear this whole thing up by announcing that they won't pay a dime to these conferences until they align the schools into conferences that make geographic sense, like 4 conferences that esentially cut the nation into quarters.
    Those schools then play out their schedule and the best teams go into a playoff. Every conference gets the same ammount of regional television and time slot preference. The same ammount of money is payed out to each conference, that contract is negotiable nationally, but every conference gets payed the same.
    Television needs to quit being biased toward a handfull of schools and making everyone else a wanna be... whoa, I just woke up, was I dreaming about something?

  • stgjazzfan
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    Now would be a very good time for the WAC to strick back and create a true power conference by looting the best of the Mtn. West and others.. Use the ESPN tv deal with inhancements with BYU broadcasting capabilities to get BSU back and snag TCU and Airforce. This would be a nice counter strike on the Mtn.Conference and would solve the problem of the miserable TV contracts these teams have at the same time.

  • Tacoholic
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:21 a.m.

    When USU refused the deal to join the MWC things we're looking pretty good. BYU was going independent and would join the WAC in all other sports. They had a deal with USU that they would play their annual conference weekend football game which would have meant an annual money game a permanant fixture on USUs schedule. The $5 million dollar buy out to join the MWC at the time made no sense. I'm sure that when the invitation was extended that in the eyes of USU they had more to gain financially by staying in the WAC. Had the chips fallen a different direction, USU would be in a very good position.

    USU has to be the worst example of being a vitctim of circumstance I have ever seen.

  • Colo. Aggie
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    It's a sad day in Aggie land!

  • DC Aggie
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Barring a miracle merger between the MWC and the WAC, Barnes and Albrecht should be fired.

  • RoundelRider
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    If USU was so honorable, why did the press leak about the move come from them? Next time BYU needs to put all of it's discussion partners under a non-disclosure agreement with big penalties for leaks. Between USU and the WAC bringing in ESPN, this whole deal has become a nightmare that could have been prevented.

  • DC Aggie
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    Barring a miracle merger between the MWC and the WAC, Barnes and Albrecht should be fired.

  • royalblue
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:08 a.m.

    archie, archie, archie, from the article:

    "As part of the WAC's conversations with BYU, the current eight conference members agreed to remain together as a conference for at least five years. This stability was important to BYU, to other current members, and would have been critical as other expansion options were explored."

    I admire Utah State for having the integrity to stick to the deal they agreed to, but the Aggies and the WAC weren't simply being altruistic in making the deal. As with any business deal (and college football is a business), there was something in it for all parties.

    BYU would have fulfilled their part of the deal if the WAC had kept their end of the bargain. Unfortunately, Fresno State and Nevada reneged on their agreement and the deal fell apart.

    It wasn't Utah State's fault, but it also wasn't BYU's fault that the deal fell apart. Anybody who is intellectually honest can clearly see that the blame for the deal falling apart rests squarely on Fresno State and Nevada.

    8 WAC schools for 5 years in all sports, except football, is what BYU agreed to join.

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:59 a.m.

    I applaud USU for keeping their word. Class institution and program.

    USU fans, there's no conference for BYU to still affiliate with. The plan has completely changed, beyond USU and BYU's control (if that was the plan). To say "BYU needs to show integrity and stick to their word" blah blah blah is naive at best. BYU didn't change the plan, USU didn't change the plan, UNR and Fresno did, no?

    re: Nehu

    You're missing the point by a mile.

  • Te Amo
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:39 a.m.

    In the long run the MWC will be the looser. Their killer will be the TV contract that they cannot escape or improve. The only reason that Boise joined them was the chance that they might have gotten AQ status. With both BYU and Utah departed that just wont happen. Watch for BSU to stay with the WAC which will pick up the schools they need to stay alive and BYU will probably end up being independent with their TV net and unable to schedule more than 2 or 3 games a year that anyone outside of Utah county is interested in watching. Utah is really lucky to have escaped this can of worms MWC debacle.

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:30 a.m.

    USU turning down an invite to the MWC was a bad decision.

    Can you imagine how USU feels? They do the right thing by trying to hold the league together and their brethren (Fresno and Nevada) jump at the first chance to leave the league.

    I guess they no longer have to wonder how it feels to have a knife impaled in your back.

    I hope USU fans enjoy the Big Sky conference; because unless something changes that's were they are going to end up.

  • AggieFan74
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:44 a.m.

    I completely agree with klasanasa12. If the fallout of all this is that BYU, Fresno and UNR are in the new and improved MWC with the Aggies left to try and survive somehow in a "soon to be defunct" WAC then Albrecht should be fired without hesitation. You can talk about honor and commitment all you want but at the end of the day the honor and commitment turns into stupidity and naivete. Where is the honor and commitment to Aggie fans who have been praying for an opportunity for the Aggies to join a conference with respected regional and mid-major institutions like Wyoming, Colorado State, USAF, etc. In five years when Romney stadium draws 1,500 fans to watch the Aggies play Cal Poly or Sac State, or UC Davis, or whoever, nobody is going to care about honor or commitment to BYU or the WAC. All that's going to be left is a the stench of a short cited and enormously irresponsible decision made by Stan Albrecht and Scott Barns-both of which will most likely be long gone from USU. Where's the honor and commitment in that!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • klasanasa12
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:06 a.m.

    Here is what went down, according to an insider with knowledge.
    Late Tuesday the deal was done: BYU to WAC in all other sports except football. Craig Thompson, the weasel fires a preemptive strike against it early Wednesday morning with offers to UTAH STATE, Fresno State and Nevada.
    Utah State declined because of their agreement, and the 5 mil buyout and Thompson moves on.
    If this ESPN built WAC conference in the works fails, and Utah State is left out as a WAC left over, I think Albrecht should be fired.
    Nothing is over, I hope really hope being honest with their commitment doesn't cost them their whole athletic program.
    I've put a lot of my own money in to Utah State, and they had better get this figured out fast!
    And Craig Thompson had better not be the new commissioner. Via text Thursday afternoon, "hold tight this is far from over, and we will rise above all of this." AD - Scott Barnes.
    We had better and I mean better not be left out in the cold, ... if we are this is disastrous!

  • nehu
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:08 a.m.

    Re:Just Truth and Mr Logic,

    Blah blah blah, while this is all interesting conjecture the facts remain that BYU, USU, Idaho, Fresno, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico State, Wyoming and on and on and on ARE NOT BCS schools. So WHAT are we all playing for? A good bowl game, right? Right? Look even if you get a BCS game you are certainly NOT playing for a championship, you are playing for a good BOWL Game, just look at the Utes, crushed, absolutely crushed Alabama, undefeated season and what were they that year? Need a reminder? YES, Bowl winners! Wow good job.
    My point being that all this WAC vs MWC is stupid as neither conference really matters. All the in your face USU you don't belong comments are so ironic but guess what NEITHER DO YOU.

    All the underhanded and unfriendly comments from Brigham Young fans while expected and very entertaining are quite lame because guess what BYU you are just as much of an outsider as we are. Sure you have more money and more righteousness but in the end it's all about the Vegas Bowl, isn't it, I mean really, come on guys.

  • Archie
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:06 a.m.

    Just Truth | 12:11 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010


    "What reward does Utah State deserve for being a stand-up school with the WAC and covering BYU's back as it explored options as a non-football league member the past month?"

    Take it up with Dick Harmon.

  • dropout
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:39 a.m.

    If BYU stands by USU and joins the WAC I think an ESPN deal and a share of the WAC's extra 10Mil they will get from Nevada and Fresno should be enough to entice Boise, TCU and New Mexico to the WAC...and a WAC with BYU, TCU, and Boise for football and USU, BYU and New Mexico for basketball should bring in plenty of cash with ESPN...

  • Just Truth
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:11 a.m.

    Archie, Archie, Archie!!! It's the WAC who can't make good on their end. When Fresno St. and Nevada sold out to a bad Mtn TV deal, BYU plans were hung out to dry along with any WAC remains. It's ridiculous that BYU gets blamed for undercutting other universities whenever it tries to work with them.

    It was the WAC who came crawling to BYU through USU and BYU actually liked the idea of playing USU along with 7 other WAC quality opponents in basketball, but USU apparently doesn't speak for all the teams in the WAC after all, so at least we at BYU are big enough not to blame UNR/FSU's lack of integrity on USU. Shame on anyone who thinks that it is a lack of integrity for BYU not to sacrifice itself now to a broken deal, which it never agreed to. It broke down on the USU/WAC end, not on the BYU end.

  • Just Truth
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    Archie, Archie, Archie!!! It's the WAC who can't make good on their end. When Fresno St. and Nevada sold out to a bad Mtn TV deal, BYU plans were hung out to dry along with any WAC remains. It's ridiculous that BYU gets blamed for undercutting other universities whenever it tries to work with them.

    It was the WAC who came crawling to BYU through USU and BYU actually liked the idea of playing USU along with 7 other WAC quality opponents in basketball, but USU apparently doesn't speak for all the teams in the WAC after all, so at least we at BYU are big enough not to blame UNR/FSU's lack of integrity on USU. Shame on anyone who thinks that it is a lack of integrity for BYU not to sacrifice itself now to a broken deal, which it never agreed to. It broke down on the USU/WAC end, not on the BYU end.

  • R.Burgundy
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:10 p.m.

    Plan B: Can you say 1998 again! BYU and some of the other MWC, WAC and Conf USA Schools will be forming a new conference, probably will keep the WAC name because of the ESPN TV contract. ESPN will be behind the curtain with their pile of CASH! BYU gets to do their TV deal and everyone is happy. The Y will have Utah State be a part of the new Conference, wait and see!

    New WAC:
    Utah St
    Boise St
    San Diego St.
    Air Force
    New Mexico

    Looks like a great Conference to Me! and everyone is happy,except Fresno,Nevada and Craig Thompson

  • Aggie253
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:03 p.m.

    IF BYU holds to their word and joins the WAC then I will have a little more respect for them. If not, then I will have one more reason to dislike them. I am absolutely disgusted with UNR and FSU though. Totally sold out on their agreement. I applaud USU for sticking to their word, even though a move to the MWC wouldn't have been a bad thing.

  • aggiesrock
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:28 p.m.

    this is actually a good thing utah state doesn't have as big schools to play now thay might be able to get to a bowl game and foght BYU for the basketball championship.

  • Archie
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:12 p.m.

    From the article...

    "One thing holding USU back, aside from the $5 million buyout, was the role the Aggies were playing as a friend to BYU in its potential move to the WAC in non-football sports.

    "The Aggies' president, Stan Albrecht, had been a prime intermediary in talks between the WAC and Brigham Young, the Star-Advertiser has been told."

    If BYU had an ounce of integrity, they would join the WAC as agreed with USU. The WAC would have a much easier task of filling the void with BYU in place. But no, BYU steps out of the agreement with USU and lets them go down with the sinking ship.

    Explain to me how BYU is NOT at least partially responsible for USU's predicament.

    The BYU faithful have become experts at deflecting blame and accountability.

    Yes, Nevada and Fresno left the conference when they agreed they wouldn't. By the same token, BYU backed out even though USU had their back as a "friend."

    Nevada - 0 integrity
    Fresno - 0 integrity
    BYU - 0 Integrity

    Does that clear it up for you jazzbball?

  • Wiley Old School
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    How has Nevada and Fresno betrayed anybody? The deal was pay to leave, so if they pay, they've honored their agreement. (And in the case of Nevada, there may not have been an agreement.)

  • anti BCS
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:30 p.m.

    Utah didn't start anything ETBass. The Utes just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

    The Utes were simply lucky that some big money movers and shakers in the Big 12 were able to convince Texas not to bolt to the PAC 10 otherwise the Utes would be in the exact same situation as BYU - a BCS worthy athletic program, stuck in a non-BCS conference.

  • anti BCS
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:20 p.m.


    You need to take a logic class, because your arguments make no sense at all.

    It wasn't BYU that ruined the BYU/WAC deal, it was Nevada and Fresno State who stabbed the Aggies and the WAC in the back and walked out on the deal.

    BYU's deal, as reported by Utah State, was to join an intact 8-team conference in all sports except football.

    Even the WAC commissioner castigated Fresno State and Nevada for reneging on the deal.

    So once again, please explain how BYU has any fault whatsoever in breaking the deal.

    Your school showed incredible integrity in sticking to their word. You should be proud of the Aggies instead of "kicking them to the curb".

    Some fan.

  • Rock Of The Marne
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:11 p.m.

    IA Cougar are you kidding me. It wasn't Fresno or UNR that wanted to tie the hands of other teams in terms of making the best move for their own teams; BYU wanted to make sure the WAC fit what it wanted but showed no regard for the other teams by demanding the other teams be tied to the conference for five years via the 5 million dollar penalty. Fresno and UNR had ever right to leave if a better opportunity came along or do you thing that right only belongs to BYU? I went to USU and applaud their loyalty but at what cost as BYU is now likely going to abandon them; showing some real class their cougars.

  • md
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:06 p.m.

    USU isn't loyal. They will go where the best deal is.

  • caleb in new york
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    it seems odd to me if it was based on "honor" that Utah St. turned down the MWC invitation to join. if that is a basis for honor then what is it called when USU just a little while earlier was fine with brokering a deal to hurt another conference (taking BYU to bring to the WAC)

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:52 p.m. guys are delusional.

    Yeah, let's hate BYU for Nevada and Fresno leaving the WAC. I'm sure that was their plan.

    Ute fans just trying to find another reason to hate BYU. Oh, did I say Ute fans? Sorry. I meant rivalry obsessed BYU haters. Not the same thing.

  • PJ
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:43 p.m.

    AggieFan74, Don't be a sellout. This was not about allegiance to BYU. It's clear our administration thought Nevada and Fresno would honor thier commitment. As a football program USU could and would compete for a conference championships every year and with the addition of BYU in basketball it would significantly upgrade the leagues perception and put us back to a two or three bid league. Again, the decisions of UNR and FSU is the catalyst for the collapse of the WAC.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:42 p.m.

    byu had better make this up to them in some capacity.
    Of course it's Utah's fault for being so attractive which started the dominos a-tumbling.

  • livestrong
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:26 p.m.

    Fellow Aggies c'mon, it's not BYU's fault. And if you think you could really make better decisions than USU's leaders, then you're delusional armchair ADs.

    It was a brilliant idea, but they were stabbed in the back by FSU and Nevada. Kudos to them for sticking to their commitments.

  • Aggie84
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    Simply stated. BYU has grabbed USU by the rear and kicked them one more time. When will the Aggies ever learn. If you don't learn from your prior mistakes you will be sure to fall into the pit again. When could the Aggies ever trust BYU? I lived through the first fiasco when the Aggies tried to get into the WAC and was blackballed by the Y and U. I guess the Aggies will never learn. I guess all the Y comments about Aggies being losers were and are correct. I hope the Aggies loose every football and basketball game this year.

  • AggieFan74
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    I can't believe that $5 million or some loyalty agreement kept the Aggies from joining the MWC. What's going to be the impact on USU's reputation and standing with other Division I institutions within the extended Intermountain West Region-not to mention potential student enrollment, athletic recruits, community and fan support, school tradition, etc. and whatever!! My guess is that the negative impact of the "alleged" decision to decline membership in the MWC is going to cost USU a lot more than $5 million!! If the "alleged" decision is accurate, USU will be the laughing stock of every school in both the WAC and MWC with BYU laughing the hardest. The Aggies have been trying to get into a respected athletic conference for 40 years and now they decline an offer because of some idiotic allegence to BYU or "soon to be defunct" WAC!!! INCREDIBLE!!!! The bottom line is that the USU "brainless" trust kicked Aggie Fans to the curb to stroke BYU and stay aboard a sinking ship. This Aggie fan of 40 something years is an "EX-AGGIE FAN" Anybody want to buy some season football tickets CHEAP!!!!!!!!!

  • AggieIceCream
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:55 p.m.

    My fellow Aggies need to chill on the BYU hate thing. I don't see where BYU is to blame here. Redirect your anger to Nevada and Fresno State!!!

  • IA Cougar
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:44 p.m.

    Love the comments. It disappoints me to see Utah State jabs at BYU. Although none of us really know the truth about how things unfolded, it appears to me that BYU was trying to help Utah State by joining the WAC. I can't for the life of me figure out how that would have helped BYU. With the deal not done, Fresno State and Nevada backed out and showed their lack of integrity, if the conversations being reported are true. Now...once that happened, how in the world would BYU want to remain a player in the WAC. Would have loved to see a home/away BBall Series with Utah State but sorry...the WAC doesn't seem to be a great carrot for BYU to bite on. Kudos to Utah State for giving their word to the WAC and staying by it. I cannot see how anyone can be critical towards BYU in any way, shape or form. It's obviously not over yet. Stay tuned.

  • BYU-Virginia
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:22 p.m.

    Utah State...the missing link to keep BYU in the MWC for a 12-team league. Go Aggies!

  • 1984 for life
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    Aggies aren't stupid and neither is BYU. BYU to old WAC was plan A. USU and BYU are in this together and plan B will be new WAC. With help from ESPN (who has a contract with the WAC) BYU convinces SDSU, UNLV, BSU, TCU, Hawaii, Air Force and one other to go to the new WAC. With USU, new WAC now has 8 football schools and BYU as an independant in football and a WAC member for everything else. The "new" WAC's tv revenue with ESPN would increase with the addition of a So. Cal market, the Vegas market and a Texas market and the WAC will easily be able to pay these teams more $ than the MWC does ($1.2M each). BYU operates as a football independant and keeps its ESPN and BYUTV revenue and schedules 4-6 WAC teams every year including USU, BSU, TCU, UNLV or SDSU. and Hawaii (to pick up the extra cash for a 13th game). Everyone is happy because every one of these schools gets more $ and Thompson and the MWC lose.

  • belgie
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    USU's decision to stick with the WAC was based on their agreement with the rest of the conference - which was based on BYU joining. It's Fresno and Nevada that deceived everyone.

    The truth is that either USU was sucker-punched by Fresno and Nevada, or they are just too poor to pay the $5 million.

  • Patrick
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:14 p.m.

    Get a life Archie. USU and the rest of the WAC members were excited to have BYU join. BYU did nothing to USU. Fresno and Nevada let down all the schools in the Mountain West - including USU. Get over your bias and place blame where it belong, with the two defecting schools.

  • BYUH
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:12 p.m.

    There is way too little integrity nowadays - not only in sports but in all aspects of life. I for one respect USU for upholding their end of the agreement entered into by all members of the WAC. It is a shame that the administrations at Reno-Nevada and Fresno State have no integrity. It would have been fun to have BYU and USU in the same conference.

    Good luck to USU. I'm hoping that things fall out their way.

  • orcubsfan
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    If this is true, I will never give another cent to USU. The people who made this decision are idiots.

    For how many years has USU pleaded and tried to get an invite to a better conference, and they turn it down...unbelieveable. Just can't believe it.

    Welcome to 1-AA football - here's your schedule:

    Idaho State
    Weber State
    Montana State
    Sac St
    Portland St
    Directional WA

    Makes me sick, absolutely sick.

  • PP
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:04 p.m.

    USU showed integrity and it is nice to see. The deal was all but done according to Carl Benson and Fresno and Nevada ruined it. I feel really bad for USU because they are likley to get screwed in all of this. Same for Hawaii.

    Sadly they probably did not have 5 mill to spare up in Logan.

  • PJ
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:03 p.m.

    Archie, Did you read Scott Barnes' statement? I dislike BYU as much as anyone but it was Fresno and Nevada who left USU high and dry. BYU was headed to the WAC, except for football but the defections of FSU and UNR halted that.

  • motorbike
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:02 p.m.

    Integrity = BYU to the WAC (Football Independent)

    Who else is betting against integrity? Over the years USU fans have more reason to dislike the Coogs than U fans have.
    We'll see which University is classless real soon when BYU opts to either stay with the MWC or move to the WCC for all but football.

  • ProvoAggie
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:00 p.m.

    As bad as USU is financially, Nevada and Fresno are in much worse positions and they found the money. They made a deal with 8 other schools and didn't want to be the one to stab everyone in the back. Fresno and Nevada had no problem doing that though. I know that integrity and ethics are a rare thing today and it's good to see someone still has them even if they don't get you ahead.

  • MOUte
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    I'd like to see BYU pony up the $5M to get USU out of the WAC. It's the least they could do.

    Well, BYU wanted exposure and they got it. They have exposed what they are really all about to millions of football fans around the country. How embarrassing.

  • RealityCheck
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:47 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure Utah State doesn't love BYU enough to sacrifice its future so that BYU can get the deal it wants. Besides, Utah State will be playing BYU annually in football and basketball anyway.

    The more likely scenario is that $5M was too much for Utah State to pay out, especially considering their athletic program was already in financial trouble (mostly due to football).

  • ProvoAggie
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    It's official now. USU's AD has posted an open letter on the USU website. So much for integrity. USU stuck to the agreement that they made with other teams in the WAC as they all promised they would and Nevada and Fresno stabbed them in the back. Try to do what's right and end up getting screwed over.

  • wayne
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:44 p.m.

    BYU has sunk to a new low getting athletic advice from Utah State.

    Just fire Holmoe now.

  • motorbike
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:43 p.m.

    Aggie fans will have more reason to dislike the Coogs than Ute fans if BYU doesn't show the same integrity the Aggies have shown.

    Integrity = BYU to the WAC in all but football.

    Who else is betting on BYU showing no integrity in what will be a classless move where they end up staying in the new MWC minus USU
    Independent in football while joining the WCC for all other sports?

  • belgie
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:24 p.m.

    Seriously? USU? Unbelievable. I don't see BYU hooking up with the WAC now.

    I'm dying to hear something out of BYU. I bet they're still working feverishly to figure out what to do next. I wonder if we could see a new conference - the best of the MWC, WAC, and CUSA could be pretty interesting.

  • Turbo
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    Amidst the saga of the conference wars, I for one am proud of my Cache Valley upbringing and my affiliation with USU. Count on the little university up north to stand true and loyal.

  • CKS007
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:18 p.m.

    Glad to see some integrity going on in the college sports management field.

  • Here is Sub Zero Now Plain Zero
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    USU, what are you doing? Forget BYU, BYU is going to do whatever they want. You should have joined the MWC. Call up the MWC and accept the invite immediately

  • CrimsonUte
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:07 p.m.

    Seriously doubt it.

  • Archie
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:04 p.m.

    "One thing holding USU back, aside from the $5 million buyout, was the role the Aggies were playing as a friend to BYU in its potential move to the WAC in non-football sports."

    Once again, BYU leaves USU high and dry. Be careful, USU, who you call a "friend." BYU is looking out only for themselves, you should do the same. How many times has BYU done this to USU now? This is not the first.

  • livestrong
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    Dang, USU might have just sacrificed themselves for the Cougs unless the WAC can recover from this recent death blow. BYU really owes them one.

  • DeKalb
    Aug. 19, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    I hope this isn't true.