Byu will make more money with their tv contracts but not playing for a
conference championship and only at a shot at a bcs game is not a lot to play
for. I thik BYU will get lost in the shuffle if they go independent. I think
with the WAC no longer a great option to schedule games and not an option for
other sports then they need to see if the MWC will give them a chance to air
their games on their own network. If Craig Thompson does not allow schools to
make more money then he is making a very bad choice for the conference. BYU
should stay in MWC because they added Nevada and Fresno. If they could add
Houston then that make it Bsc type of conference. Plus the Houston area is a
great recuiting ground that schools would love to recuit from.
I hate to say it, but the Y fans who want BYU to go independant are becoming
more delusional with their reasoning everyday (based on these posts).I agree the schedule could be pretty sweet and the match-ups pretty
inticing---though getting a home/away with an SEC team would be impossible (see
netjes above). They would also be able to keep their rivalry games against the U
and USU, which would be nice.Plus, asking casual Y fans to pay 150
bucks would be a big request, particularly given their rep (see Confused above).
Notre Dame, which has an immensely larger fan base, shows their games on NBC, a
free network station.But getting to a BCS game would
become much more difficult by going independent. They have a much better chance
of getting their through being a conference champion in the bulked up MWC. Sure
TCU and BSU are at the top right now, but BYU has won many championships before
and there is no reason to believe they won't return.Let's be
realistic. While it's fun to fantasize, it's much more practical and cost
effective to stay in the MWC.
If I were a hardcore BYU fan, I would be vehemently opposed to this. It is a
Am I taking crazy pills? This would be a terrible move for BYU. Even if they
could stand on their own as an independent (and I'm not saying they can't). It
is just a BAD decision. No national power wants to put an independent school on
their schedule that will come in and mop the floor with them and/or make them
look bad. (ask Boise State) And that schedule that was proposed doesn't make any
sense. Who knows that those teams will want to play. This is a bad move plain
and simple. The best bet is to stay in the MWC and improve it from the inside.
It would be nice to get into an AQ conference, but no one has come calling yet.
Right now independence is clearly the best way to go. Staying in the MWC would
be like a lame duck in a small pond. The MWC tv contract is beyond a joke and
they will never gain AQ status, especially if TCU bolts which I think they will.
BYU will continue to play utah every year and probably utah state. They already
have a series with Texas, oregon state and Boise state scheduled into the
future. I would bet that Notre Dame will be willing to schedule some games as
well. Army and Navy are very possible as well. I dont think scheduling will be
as difficult as alot people believe. Especially when you consider BYU will
likely have a deal with ESPN and my guess is ESPN would televise at least 3 of
their games a year. The national tv exposure will make it even more attractive
to schedule some of the top teams in the nation.
"It'll allow us to play some top teams in the nation."What about
independent status allows that? Did the MWC hold you back in the 4 OOC games
you got each year? I seem to remember Eastern Washington and Northern Iowa
being the only ones that would play you with short notice recently. Sure there
was Oklahoma last year, but that seems to be the exception to the rule. Getting
good games at home will be VERY hard for at least the next 3-4 years.
@netjes, HAHAHAHAH!!! Nice pie in the sky schedule there. Did you know the
fact that Florida hasn't played an OOC game outside the state of Florida in
several decades? Fat chance getting them to come to Provo, especially late in
the year. Also, Utah is having way more home/aways with USC and Stanford than
BYU, so give up on that one. Reality is that it'll be very hard to get marquee
teams to play you during the conference season, so your options are limited to
the other Indies and whatever peon teams you can pay to play you.
In my wildest dreams, and mine can get pretty wild, I cannot see how this
benefits YBU, at least, in football. Do you really see yourselves as another
Notre Dame? I really don't mean this to be mean spirited but, the idea, at least
to me, seems insane. You have a difficult time getting top tier teams to
schedule you now, much less as an independent. One great coach and a good run
for a while and suddenly you think you're another top team? I'm not going to
insult any of us by saying you're crappy. You been decent through most of the
past 30 years. You are, however, no Notre Dame. The Irish are one of the most
storied programs in history. C'mon now, Knute Rockne, touchdown Jesus, the
golden dome. How many Nat'l titles and top 10 finishes? how many Heismans and
all Americans? do you really believe that your ratings will justify the money
you think you'll rake in? Remember, using drugs is against the honor code.
I have long been a proponent of BYU going independent. I even have their
schedule (ten games only):1 Utah State home2 Air
Force/Army/Navy h/a/h/a/h/a3 Duke home/away4 Notre Dame home/away5 off6 Stanford home/away7 off8 USC home/away9 off10 Previous Champ (Florida) home/away11 off12 Previous Champ
(Alabama) home/away13 Utah home/away14 Hawaii away
What makes Byu an automatic qualifier just because they go independant? Beat TCU
and BSU first.
Buzz | 11:11 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010 "...fools mock but they shall
mourn.""BYU will have further solidified itself as a well-respected
national program and the most hallowed program in the state of Utah" Good grief, Buzz...Hallowed program?? BYU has certainly done it's
part hollow out the WAC.
Whoa! Lets keep the discussion on track and leave the hallowing for the right
things...Anyway I don't see a whole lot to lose for the Y by going
independent. It will be a hard road to walk, but could prove to be rewarding in
the long run. Conversely, staying put in the MWC will likely yield more of the
same, good, but nothing earth shattering. Even if a future bid from a BCS
conference never comes, they Y would always be welcome in any decent mid-Major
conference. I think they should give it a shot!I will be very
curious to see their scheduling. Probably take a few years to get things
straightened out, but if they could get 3-4 descent teams on the schedule, their
place in the BCS would be in their own hands at that point.
Would it be okay with you if I quoted Shakespeare instead?
Jazzfan14-I never heard him say that and in contrast he has always
said things to the contrary.I guess he's a liar though right? I mean
he's like me right? A self-righteous Y fan
Buzz, I can't believe you quoted scripture in a discussion about college
football. As for the Quest for Perfection, I understand that the term comes from
BYU's mission statement, but I think anyone who seriously denies that Bronco was
trying to use that as a quest for an undefeated season is the fool. He may have
wanted them to seek perfection in all areas of their lives, but he was talking
Uteology wrote:"The Quest was for a BCS birth; see the article photo
for proof."How did that go for you? :))
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing evaporates. What would make more
sense now for BYU is to stay in the MWC for at least two more years and see if
they can't become an Automatic Qualifier. In the meantime the MWC could go to 12
teams, have two divisions and get to schedule a lot more non-conference games.
It may be that things have gone too far down the road and its too late to turn
back, but if it isn't that is what I think should happen.
Buzz | 11:11 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010 Right on Otis... fools mock but they shall
mourn.Only jealous haters take the Quest for Perfection out of
context. If you really think that Bronco meant for that to be for an undefeated
season, you show your true colors.---------The Quest was
for a BCS birth; see the article photo for proof.
Right on Otis... fools mock but they shall mourn.Only jealous haters
take the Quest for Perfection out of context. If you really think that Bronco
meant for that to be for an undefeated season, you show your true colors.But alas, the Utes hold the stronger hand at the moment so I'm sure
you'll attribute my response to blindness or something like that.You
go ahead and relish the Ute's program that began it's glory all the way since
'04. When all the dust clears on the movement this year, I am confident that BYU
will have further solidified itself as a well-respected national program and the
most hallowed program in the state of Utah
I love the idea of going independent. It is more about exposure than it is
about $$$. BYU is one of the missions of the Church, and the more exposure BYU
gets the more exposure the Church gets.DO ITBoise State
and the other renegades of the WAC that just joined the MWC will find out about
national exposure. They would do better to "about face" and march in the
direction they came from.The MWC leadership and the contract with
Comcast is not where any program wants to go.By the way Bronco fans,
enjoy not seeing your games.
Parkite1: Are you insane? This would in no way trump Utah's move to the PAC-10.
BYU is going independent because the PAC-10 and Big 12 didn't want them. If
given the opportunity, you can bet the'd have accepted invitations to either of
I love the picture of the BYU fan holding the sign that says, "BYU Loves
Fiestas". I'm guessing that picture was taken during the now famous "Quest for
Perfection".Folks, you can't make this stuff up. It just gets
better and better.
The WCC would be an awesome fit for basketball? Wow. I've got to agree with
VA_Ute, this could be horrible for BYU athletics if not done right. The WCC
plays some good basketball, but the schools are tiny and it would still be
horrible for basketball (not to mention catastrophic for other sports). Thompson
made a good strategic move IMO. BYU doesn't have many great options any more for
the rest of their sports.
With Nevada and Fresno joing the MWC the Y needs to seriously consider their
options. How will not playing for a conference championship affect long term
I think independence has exciting potential, but no way is it better than being
in an AQ conference. I think t might have higher money making potential, but
being in an AQ conference is a lot safer than independence. Utah is definitely
in a safer spot right now.
Do BYU fans really think going independent is better than joining an AQ
conference? Any AQ conference!? That's just delusional. Joining the WCC is
like joining the NAIA. It's not a step down, it's falling off a cliff. I'm a
BYU fan every day of the year but one, and this move terrifies me. It will
utterly decimate byu football. BYU fans, you're not going to suddenly have a
schedule with Florida, Texas, Ohio State, and Notre Dame on it. You'll have a
schedule with Army, Navy, Utah State, and Southern Utah on it. This can only
end badly for the Y if they leave.
They are talking about a 150.00 a year fee to watch these games?With
the rep of Cougar fans being that of Scrooge when it comes to spending, does the
church really think people will fork out that much money in this ecomony to
watch BYU?I don't think so....
Going independent trumps a move to the Pac-10? Seriously? Wow, maybe BYU fans
really are delusional. Independence would ruin BYU football forever. Joining
the WCC is like leaving the NCAA for the NAIA. Seriously, I'm a fan of the
Y,(every day but one in November) but this is foolhearty. BYU fans, please stop
patting yourselves on the back and look around you. You're not suddenly going
to have a schedule with Florida, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and Penn State on
it. You're going to have a schedule with Rice, Army, Navy, and Southern Utah on
I think I speak for a lot of fans that said we were enthusiastic before Nevada
and Fresno bolted for the MWC. Now, we would hope that BYU act very cautiously.
The WCC would be an awesome fit for basketball (much better actually) and other
sports, but will we have enough quality teams to fill out the football schedule?
If we're confident that we do, than great. If not, please be very wary.
Fantastic! BYU will now have a guaranteeed shot at a BCS Bowl every year.
Notre Dame mave have a more storied legacy but BYU has done much more over the
last 30 years than Notre Dame has. Heck it would be wonderful for BYU and Notre
Dame to play each other every year and build a true Holy War rivalry that would
really be something. Hope the Church approves it as this would really build up
the prestige and it definatley trumps Utah joining the PAC-10!!
Because of its unique recruiting and fan base, BYU will continue to get by as an
independent. But think of this: The BYU football recruit has only two things to
play for: an impossible national championship and personal All-American status.
There will be no more conference championships, no all-conference honors.
Basically, you lose one game and your season is over. This used to make sense
for a Notre Dame, which had a realistic shot at the national title, but even
they have suffered for the last decade or so. However, their football team does
make a lot of money for the school, which is the bottom line. That will be the
new goal for BYU's football team, as well. How do you integrate that into the
And now on with all the comments and opinions from the armchair Athletic
Directors.None of us will ever know all of the options being weighed
and all the factors being considered for BYU to make this ALLEGED decision.But, coming from a fan, I would way rather watch BYU go 9-4/8-5 (or
better!) playing quality teams than playing all the poor performing teams at the
bottom of our conference.Rest assured, this ALLEGED decision is
driven by Church Exposure first and foremost. Don't forget: Football
(athletics) is the "vehicle".