Utah State football: Aggies, WAC end up in a worse situation

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  • SLC BYU Fan
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:20 p.m.

    I think some of the Utah State fans are getting way too carried away. There are powers that be that oversee BYU that have insisted Utah State be covered well before they'll allow BYU to go to a BCS league (like the Big-12). If anything the powers that be at BYU (think above Pres. Samuelson and AD Holmoe) probably calculate that if Thompson made a move to invite more WAC members to the MWC (which he has talked about, albeit not this quickly), Utah state would be one of them.

  • wyoming cougar
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:54 a.m.

    re: AggieFan74 | 7:04 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010

    Cheer up man- life's too short to hold such bitterness and hatred. USU shot themselves in the foot by having integrity in this situation. Unfortunately- once again a team displays honor and integrity by turning down an offer to the MWC because they had just worked out a deal with their own conference, while 2 other schools go back on their word and bolt.

    This leaves USU in a tough place, due to the lack of integrity of 2 other wac schools.

    As for BYU, they have said all along that they were exploring all options for their program, but have never made any announcements about those plans. To blame BYU once again, just show that you're worse than the other little brother that BYU has, you're more like the little step-brother.

    Congratulations USU for having the integrity to honor your word- hopefully something will work out for you for the best in the long run.

  • nehu
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:13 p.m.

    Wo everyone, getting a little jumpy in here. As an Aggie I have read the many condescending posts of Cougars and even a few Utes, listen the facts are football controls this whole thing, another fact is that whether USU ends up in the MWC, WAC or some other conference really doesn't matter. All that matters is that they end up in a conference. Is the MWC or the WAC a BCS conference, NO? Then really who cares what conference they are. Good for Nevada and Fresno, it really doesn't matter, Nevada, Fresno, USU, BYU, Idaho, La Tech, etc; etc; etc,; are not going to win a national championship or be in a BCS league, so really who cares? We're all essentially playing for a bowl game, other than that this really doesn't matter. NONE of these teams in either of these conferences are National Champions, so again why do we all care so much?

    As for BYU they made a bold move, good for them. BYU has always been about the money and exposure so they can spread the word, great, who cares?

    This is all a bit humorous really:)

  • silentobserver
    Aug. 19, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    It's not over until the O-Line sings. USU has something going down. And it's NOT their athletic programs. to Mr. Caveman... did you ever think that maybe USU is trying to help save ybu's back side??

  • Over the Top
    Aug. 19, 2010 4:54 p.m.

    Good power-play by Craig Thompson to save his conference - but it didn't really improve the quality by adding UNR and Fresno State. It probably prevented BSU from going back to the WAC. I do feel badly about USU, though. It could have been a win-win situation for the Cougars and the Aggies.
    Is it possible for USU to join the Big Sky? Geographically, it's a good fit. And athletically, it good be a very positive thing for the Aggies, too. I think they could be competitive at that level.

  • Tacoholic
    Aug. 19, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    Re: Striker

    First of all the Aggies win plenty of championships in other sports just not the one that counts, Football. Football is king, and everything is of lesser value. So your statement is very inaccurate. But your part right, becasue Football is so poor no one will give the Ags the chance even though their other programs are quite exceptional.

    A couple facts reamin. USU isn't dropping football. They've dumped a lot of money into the stadium just last year or two. No they will drop a divsion no doubt about it. Mark my words in two years time, maybe next year USU will no longer be playing division I football. It's a shame too because I think Andersen would have had them competing in the WAC.

  • ob81
    Aug. 19, 2010 4:20 p.m.

    According to a story on the Honolulu Advertiser web site, USU WAS invited to join the MWC yesterday, but declined the offer.

  • Mr. Caveman
    Aug. 19, 2010 3:21 p.m.

    Aggiefan, you do need therapy. How about you follow a school that doesn't sit around and wait for things to happen to them, but goes out and does something. There are plenty of happy BYU and Utah fans, and Boise fans for that matter. Time for you to switch allegiance because your team has been failing you all these years.

  • Striker
    Aug. 19, 2010 2:57 p.m.

    I totally agree. Aggie fans have no reason to cry about all this. They need to face reality that they are not a top tier school for education nor athletics. They can only win championships in one sport and they have a very high acceptance rate, which means they let in most anyone who applies. Sorry, but USU needs to up their game if anyone is going to take them seriously.

  • defibman
    Aug. 19, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Cheer up AggieFan74, you can always create a new conference with USU, Logan High, Sky View and Mt. Crest. That would make four equal teams and then you can go from there. Maybe add in Weber State but then they would dominate your conference.

    Prove yourself year in and year out for at least 5 years and you may be able to join a real conference.

  • AggieFan74
    Aug. 19, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    I need drugs and therapy!! I am a USU alum and have been an Aggie fan for most of my 50 plus years on the planet. Yesterday and today may be the worst couple of days in the history of Aggie athletics!! I hope whomever is sculpting the Merlin Olsen statue is now inclined to put a very big "tear" running down the big fella's cheek!!! Without somekind of "unlikely" miricle, I just can't see Aggie football ever again reaching any level of Division I prominence or even respect within the extended Intermountain Region. That was an extremely painful acknowledgment but I am afraid it's the fact of the matter. LA Tech will probably go to the Sunbelt Conference leaving the WAC in dire need of recruiting four new Division I institutions to the conference which is not going to happen!! The only real option for the Aggies is to join the Big Sky or dump football and join the WCC for basketball. I guess all good things come to an end. What a shame-collegiate football used to be about sport and rivalry now it's about money and greed!!!

  • kge
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    @ Bob - High School football in Texas has more fans than the schools you cited (Portland is renovating pge park to hold 22,000 fans for there new mls team, and montana sells out its 25,000 seat stadium regularly. sac state can currently hold 21,195). If you can get 55,000 or better every Saturday you aren't bringing anything to the table. Comparing BYU with USU is not realistic. One has a religious shortfall (BYU - no Sunday play)) that major conferences will not swallow while the other is geographically isolated (USU). BYU going independent is not a good idea at this time because of the moves Craig Thompson made however, it may work out in the future without destroying other sports programs.

  • Madden
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    This actually brings down the average quality of both the MWC and WAC. The only thing it does to improve the MWC is probably keep BYU from leaving...so in all, not a bad idea from Thompson. About the only smart thing he's done so far.

  • Duh
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    I like the idea of all other sports joining the WCC since they have no football. The WAC is history. USU will get an invite somewhere. MWC will need another team if BYU goes independent. Funny how USU fans say BYU has screwed them over. In the end, it may be the best thing for them too. All of this of course is only rumor and speculation. BYU has not said a single word. Of course, not saying anything has a way of being right. The only thing certain right now is that Fresno State and Nevada are new members for the MWC which was a good move for them.

  • dnut
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    Dear Gary Anderson,

    We will welcome you with open arms back to Utah and the Pac 10!!!!!

  • bobcarlisle
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    Surely the wac can use the five million dollars from both unr and fresno to get montana,sac state or portland state to join, Portland is renovating pge park to hold 22,000 fans for there new mls team, and montana sells out its 25,000 seat stadium regularly. sac state can currently hold 21,195, sacramento is the 20th largest tv market, portland is 22nd and montana already has a huge fan base. Three potential great markets for college football. lets be optimistic.

  • Rocky Mtn Oyster
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    There are planets and then there are dwarf planets. I'm afraid WAC leftovers are now officially downgraded to dwarf planets. These programs should consider either closing football or joining the Big Sky. I suppose the Sun Belt conference can either be raided or joined.

  • belgie
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    This would be cool:

    BYU, BSU, TCU, Houston, UTEP, AFA, UNLV, & New Mexico. BYU, BSU, and TCU drive the boat.

  • satch
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Regardless if BYU stays or not, Craig Thompson and the MWC hasn't made the conference any better by adding Fresno and Nevada. It's still the same type of conference. Two good teams and 8 bottom feeders.

    The WAC is the loser here. Is is not fair to BYU's other sports to put them in a bad WAC conference.

    Is is too bad BYU's football team can't be independent and the rest of the sports compete in the PAC 12 or BIG 12. That is where they deserve to be playing.

    The WCC would be a far better conference than the WAC. Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Pepperdine, Portland, etc.. are much better athletically and get better exposure to a larger audience than the WAC.

  • Johnny Triumph
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    The WAC can and will expand, if needed. It won't die off. And what's not to say that some MWC schools will leave for the WAC? I'm sure that UNLV would love greater basketball visibility than it currently gets on the mtn. This isn't done, and the MWC just got a lot more watered down by adding Fresno and Nevada...guess they wanted CSU and Wyo to have more comparable competition.

  • milhouse
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    I think the best move for BYU might be to join the West Coast Conference in their other sports. Because the WCC doesn't even have football, it will be even easier to be independent.

    BYU would be a good cultural fit with Pepperdine, Gonzaga, and Saint Mary's already in the conference, and think of the basketball! The tournament could be quite exciting, and the league would get more respect than any out west (including the PAC). BYU might lose out on some easy WAC scheduling, but that could be managed.

    It's really too bad about USU and the WAC, but perpetual irrelevance is really annoying for programs like Fresno, UNR, and even Hawaii. Maybe USU should just shutter the football team in Merlin Olsen's memory, and join the WCC as well.

  • AggieFan74
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    RE: Nate J. EXCUSS ME!!! Just exactly "who" started, or triggered, this whole fiasco and "who" is bouncing all over the college football map with absolutely no regard for other collegiate programs and conferences that are going to be trashed by their actions-DAAAAAAAAAA!!!! It's about money, the need for prestige at all costs, jealousy that Utah is now a member of a "big-time BSC" conference, fear that BYU will be a perennial "also ran" in the MWC because of more competitive football progarms at BSU and TCU, and lastly-the reality that there are absolutely no major conferences made up of liberal institutions that will welcome a religious-based ultra conservative university into the fold. The Kittens are desperate and making stupid and ill concieved decisions out of pure desperation and envey to "matter" in the big stage of college football. I have to give MWC Commissioner Thompson a "big" tip of the hat for putting BYU in a very awkward and imbarrasing postion. This guy smarter than BYU's entire brain trust. HA! HA! HA! Bad news for the Aggies but it's going to be very interesting to see how this all ends!!!!!!!!!!!

  • John S. Harvey
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    RE: belgie BYU has done its level best to destroy USU ever since the late 1890s, read the two school's official histories sometime, it is there (not all of it by a long shot) in black and white.

    RE: Rocky Mtn Oyster That would be logical and best for all involved but it will never happen unfortunately. (I wish it would! It would be the best possible outcome.)

    RE: Balto USU had nothing to do with this, it was designed and executed ed by BYU.

  • Balto
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:52 a.m.

    USU's "sources" should have kept their mouths shut yesterday and they might be in better shape today. It's their own fault for leaking BYU's plans before they were ready to make the move.

  • Rocky Mtn Oyster
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    With Utah gone and BYU becoming an independent a combined MWC/WAC would have 16 teams. Create two divisions and have a championship game every year.

    North: Fresno, Boise, USU, Idaho, CSU, Wyoming, AFA,SJU
    South: UNLV, Reno, TCU, NM, NMS, SDSU, UH, LaTech

    Set up an agreement to play 4-6 games each year with BYU.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:36 a.m.

    CK S007. I think you bring up a good point. BYU will have to get someone to come to the WAC with them. Maybe they could change BSU's mind and have them stay. I am a little surprised it is looking like it will go down this way. I think if BYU leaves, TCU will be gone soon, and you have the WAC from the 90's plus BSU. USU is once again hung out to dry.
    BYU may end up staying as Dutchman pointed out and possibly go to bat for USU. But I think we are witnessing a dark time for USU athletics. I'm not convinced BYU will come out of this great either. Utah is sitting up on the hill and thinking to themselves that they could be the only D1 school in a few years.

  • belgie
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    AggieFan74 - BYU is not out to ruin USU. If anything, it's USU that wants something that it hasn't earned, and BYU is fighting to get other programs off of its coat-tails.

    Realistically, BYU belongs in a major conference. They've had both the football and and basketball success, and they've got the fan base. I know they're no Texas, but they're certainly at least on par with the average BCS program. Geography and religious affiliation have been BYU's downfall.

  • andrewute1
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:25 a.m.


    I agree, it is to bad about Utah St, I was excited to see what Coach Anderson could do with that football program.

    Here are a few reasons the MWC did/does not want Utah St:

    1. No need for the market in Logan. They already have the Salt Lake Market with byu.

    2. No revelance in football. Sorry, basketball financially doesnt matter. It doesnt turn to ratings. Football is all that matters.

    3. Sorry to say but Logan is not a recruiting hot ground, unlike bringing in schools from Texas. It would be much better to have either Houston, UTEP, SMU, even Rice, etc than Utah St.

    4. It is hard to get to. Kids like to be able to get home easy and be near an airport to fly home.

    Hopefully that answers some questions about why Utah St is not a desireable school.

  • Waylon77
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    Well here we are again on the outside looking in. It is blatantly obvious that no one is going to do us any favors. We are just going to have to go out and earn some respect through the only avenue left for us, on the field.

    Go Aggies.

  • UTAG
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:14 a.m.

    It's my understanding that the MWC had a weak TV contract to begin with. Now, with the addition of two more schools (especially UN, a low-population market--it's like the 108th TV market in the US) this is supposed to be an improvement for the MWC? Sounds like more animals drinking from the same trough. It might have been a defensive move to preserve their conference (eat rather than be eaten) precipitated by the rumored and anticipated BYU move.

    Carl Benson has scheduled a news conf at 11 today. That, as well as the Y's impending decision(s), will certainly be of interest to all USU athletic fans.

    USU is the most cost-efficient athletic program in the country--getting the best return on investment in D1. It would be a shame to see the quality (and momentum) of our athletic efforts de-railed by the conference-alignment actions of others.

    There's still some wrangling left; not sure what's possible, but this Ag fan remains hopeful USU can find its way and remain viable.

  • Nate J.
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    Re: AggieFan74

    This is BYUs fault? Yesterday BYU was the hero and going to join the WAC (along with USU) for all other sports. Thompson made the move to weaken the WAC and force BYUs hand. BYU won't go to a 6 team WAC! Who would? But this does spell disaster for the WAC and USU. I agree with you on one point and that is the WAC as a division I conference is at it's end.

  • CKS007
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    So if BYU was still interested in Independence/WAC options, would they convince SDSU and UNLV to jump with them to the WAC?

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:22 a.m.

    MWC and WAC are self destructing. The MWC will definitely not getting an automatic bid now even if BYU stays and the WAC is hurting big time with only 6 schools left that play football.

    I hope BYU finds a way to go independent in football without totally ruining the other sports.

  • Dutchman
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    If BYU bolts the MWC, Utah State will be next in. But where will BYU put all of its non football sports without a WAC? My guess is BYU stays in the MWC with egg on their face as the MWC will not allow BYU to be a part time member. Maybe BYU needs to step up for Utah State and get them in as a 12th member if BYU stays. Stay tuned.

  • stanfunky
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    So now it appears the WAC has 6 football schools for 2011 with the loss of Nevada, Fresno, and Boise State. Too bad that 8 are needed to keep a conference eligible to play football, per NCAA rules. Guess the WAC will have to pick off Sun Belt teams, since C-USA and MAC likely won't step back, they are looking forward to better invites.

  • Nate J.
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    This is the beginning of the end for the WAC. I can't believe I'm saying this because I have never been in favor of USU in the Big Sky but that is looking like what is going to happen and USU will have little choice in the matter. The WAC as we know it will cease to exist after this season.

  • AggieFan74
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:04 a.m.

    Once again BYU factors into the complete ruination of USU athletics!! It happened in the 90's when USU was not invited into the expanded WAC and here it is again!! BYU's need to be the supreme force in West Coast college football at the expense of all other lesser programs and athletic conferences is truly astonishing. BYU's jealousy at Utah joing the PAC-10/12 is driving this whole unfortunate set of circumstances. The defections of UN Reno and Fresno State from the WAC to the MWC conference is going to be devastating to the WAC-no doubt about it. That said, you can't find fault with either UN Reno of Fresno State for the move. However, I don't understand why USU was not invited to join the MWC as well. The Aggies are on the rise in football and have a much better basketball program than most, if not all, of the schools in either the WAC or MWC. This hurts USU big time and may put the Aggies in too big a hole to dig out of. The WAC now has very little viability as a Division I conference.

  • Commontater
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:02 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting what the media has accomplished over the last two days and BYU hasn't even opened their mouths. They haven't even said one word, not one word about their intent. Enjoy!

  • Rodgers
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:52 a.m.

    What a bunch of crock from these two presidents. How will the moving to a mtn tv conference be better than staying in an espn backed wac league? MWC completely hipocritical. One day: "we are not expanding" the next day, "welcome two new defectors from the wac." what a load of garbage.

  • raybies
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:17 a.m.

    USU will remain a top-notch school, if its focus continues to be less upon its atheletics program and more upon the College of Engineering.

  • Oldguy
    Aug. 19, 2010 4:46 a.m.

    I hear a lot of criticism of Craig Thompson, but this was a brilliant and decisive move on his part. It badly tarnishes BYU's bold move for independence while ensuring the viability of the MWC. It's a shame USU couldn't have been invited.