Adobe Systems plans new technology campus, may bring 1,000 jobs to Utah

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  • Esquire
    Aug. 7, 2010 8:24 a.m.

    Wait a minute, isn't this socialism? What's the difference between this and the GM or Wall Street bailouts? It is government getting involved in business. Don't you love it when business wants government benefits and the whines when the government attaches strings to the help? And don't you love it when the Republicans play both sides of the issue, depending on their view of that issue?

  • Orem Parent
    Aug. 7, 2010 1:53 a.m.

    Wow there really are a LOT of clueless people on these boards.

    A tax incentive to bring 1,000 decent paying jobs to your state is a great move. The state will collect all kinds of money from income tax, sales tax, property tax, gasoline tax, etc. from the salaries these people earn.

    This is EXACTLY what Utah needs to bring to our great state.

    Nice work! Keep it up!

  • LuVePacifica
    Aug. 6, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    something in utah needs
    to be done to Help the Job economy&soon

  • Clark Goble
    Aug. 6, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    Just a note that the founders of Amano Chocolate are not in anyway associated with Adobe and definitely aren't any of the heads of Adobe.

  • Flaming Liberal
    Aug. 6, 2010 10:27 a.m.


    U r dum. This is as simple as saying "yes" to the following proposition:

    If I give you $1.6 billion will you give me $40 million in return?

  • JHP
    Aug. 6, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    Government shouldn't be in the business of investing.

  • mendicant
    Aug. 6, 2010 8:21 a.m.

    Why do we have to "lure jobs into the state"? Why don't we create our own jobs here in Utah?

    How about a tax break for the taxpayers of Utah? Does this job, as so many out of state jobs, require that employees break the sabbath day by working on Sundays?

    Will we enforce the e-verify law so these jobs do not go to illegal aliens?

  • Baron Scarpia
    Aug. 6, 2010 5:17 a.m.

    This is absolutely wonderful news, but people need to recognize the subsidy that has been given to the company to lure them to Utah. The $40 million is not unusual -- indeed, corporations often consider a variety of location issues, from the quality of schools to cost/quality of labor to infrastructure to quality of healthcare to taxes. A $40 million tax break can tip the decision when comparable locations in different states are being considered.

    What citizens need to take away from this good news and HOW it was achieved was via a GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT into the private sector to create long-term economic benefit to the state. Government has a responsibility to bolster the local economy to benefit citizens for jobs AND to collect sufficient taxes to create the very things businesses seek to establish a place of residence -- namely, good schools, roads, police protection, and the like, all funded by taxes.

    Utah's subsidy was nothing more than "stimulus" -- something so many Utahns oppose, but perhaps through this example, can ultimately appreciate. Yes, we live in a "free market" society (generally), but the free market enjoys wonderful support from government incentives and services.

  • My2Cents
    Aug. 6, 2010 3:42 a.m.

    More low paying jobs is what it amounts too, Utah is a sucker state where illegal foreign nationals are the incentive for these companies. It's not so good for Utah when these business get huge tax breaks and so do the employees, illegal alien workers that don't pay taxes.

    As reported, wages in Utah are substandard and sub-poverty level, a billion dollar cost reduction incentive for a large business. Our work ethics is no different from the rest of the country, but our labor is cheap, and we don't expect any job benefits. The state makes sure employee's can't get any.

    Either way, taxpayers loose again and to recoup the costs will take decades.

  • rfrmac
    Aug. 5, 2010 9:28 p.m.

    Now all we need is Apple to come here and we would really have something.

  • Marcus
    Aug. 5, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Please stay in Utah County, we need you here.

  • Florwood
    Aug. 5, 2010 3:25 p.m.

    So they haven't decided on a location...does that mean it's time for counties and cities to also line up with tax breaks?

  • Hanksboy
    Aug. 5, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    If I understand correctly the incentives are post-performance. In other words, if Adobe doesn't create jobs, expand their tax base, etc. they get no incentives. Also, this is how the game is played; if Utah didn't offer incentives some other state would and Adobe would go there. This all sounds like a decent deal to me. So kudos the the state's economic development people for putting the deal together.

  • JBrady
    Aug. 5, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    That's $40,000 in taxes, per job, over the next 20 years. Tax benefits or not, it still a gift of money. Like charging something on your credit card and thinking, not a problem, I'll just pay for it later.

    I don't think 1,000 jobs are worth it. That's a bad cost per benefit deal.

  • JHP
    Aug. 5, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    It's great that another company is coming here, but it's not great that Utah continues its corporate welfare practices. Open the trough and all come begging and groveling, expanding the scope and influence of government.

  • Heidi71
    Aug. 5, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    This is wonderful news. And the founder of Adobe is also one of the top three fine chocolate makers in the world. Amano chocolate is amazing and is based in Orem, Utah. Both Adobe and Amano are worthy of applause and support.