Utah Jazz: Team still working on contract with Kyrylo Fesenko

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  • shaybo
    Aug. 4, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    Unless the Final Word is a Jazz insider and actually knows the players personally he is spouting off junk he knows nothing about

  • JROB22
    Aug. 3, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    Jazz, use AK's money to go get Tyson Chandler after this season. I have a feeling AK will end up in New Jersey--for the money and the idea of playing for a russian owner--and Chandler is something the Jazz have never had, an athletic center that can block shots, finish alley-oops, etc. I just saw a replay of the Jazz-lakers series and on one play Deron throws it up to Fes and he, even with nobody around him, doesnt even come close to catching the ball, let alone dunk it. That would never happen with Chandler. AK is a very valuable asset, and I would have no problem with his return at a much lower price, but Chandler could be the piece to put the Jazz in a position to seriously contend (especially since kobe will be pretty much done by 2011-12)

  • Draft dumbie
    Aug. 2, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    I'd like to see the Jazz re-sign Fes and Gaines, and sign Jeremy Evans, Sean Williams and Jerry Stackhouse to fill out the roster. Sean Williams would give the Jazz an athletic big who could run the floor and block shots--something they currently do not have (who is like a slightly taller, longer, more athletic Kirilenko). Stackhouse would give the Jazz insurance at the SF spot. Based on his play last year with Milwaukee, he still has a good offensive game, and could play 15-20 minutes a night, if necessary. It would be good to keep Evans' rights to see if he could develop.

    All of these players could be had a bargain basement prices--and even though the players on the end of the bench seldom play, it would be nice to have some players that either can play when called upon, or are athletic, talented "projects" who could turn into good players down the line.

  • ed
    Aug. 2, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    Fes is a young kid in a foreign land, all by himself. He deals with language barrier, every day. Even the alphabet is different. His size separates him, any way. He is in a tough spot. I hope he becomes a player but I admire his determination in staying here. I know what I would have done at his age: run home to where things are a lot more comfortable. As for the so-called "fans" who are on his case, constantly, he should have two words and the second should be "you."

  • LKA
    Aug. 1, 2010 7:43 p.m.

    A. Dont count your Tomics before they hatch.
    B. Fess will never even fit in Mark Eatons shadow.
    C. "If" Fess would... "IF" Fess could.
    D. I dont see any teams fighting over Fess.
    E. Sign Fess for or around Qualifying offer.
    F. Sign D-Wills friend Auggie instead..

  • Bohonker
    Aug. 1, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    Re: The Great Houdini
    A number of the so-called "basketball experts" rate the Jazz at #2-3 in the Western Conference after picking up Jefferson and Bell....your opinion is meaningless as it's based on nothing except your being naive about the NBA.

  • bald eagle
    Aug. 1, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    Fesenko=much below average center that isn't going to get much better. Very little improvement in 3 yrs. Don't buy this argument it takes 5-7 yrs. for a center to contribute. Also, Fes is goofy and somewhat uncoachable. He'll never develop into an impact NBA player. Having said all that, there aren't any better options for the Jazz at C and he should be re-signed, hopefully for only one year.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 31, 2010 12:26 p.m.

    We are hoping that a year later and a little more maturity will bring this big boy into a big man. The big guy needs to focus, and stay dedicated to getting better, which I think he will. Fes and Gaines need to spend a lot more time practicing their free throws too.

  • byronbca
    July 31, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    Re cheeks:

    I disagree with your first point. There are 2 ways a team can get better, one is by bringing in new, better talent and the other is by players already on the team getting better. Taking those 2 factors into account I think the Jazz are better at every position this year.

    Dwill was playing hurt most of last year, I think CJ is about to have a breakout year, Bell is better than Wes, Hayward should give the SF spot better depth than last year, Milsap should have a better year than last year and AJ has been better statistically than Boozer over the last 3 years, plus he’s younger and better defensively. And If we sign Fes and he continues to improve, the rotation of AJ Okur and Fes is a better rotation at center than what we had last year.

    This has been the most exciting offseason the Jazz have ever had and I think it will translate into more wins and like you I can’t wait for the season to start.

  • cheeksallen43
    July 31, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    This year the Jazz will be in the same position they were last year. They didn't get any better or worse this offseason. That being said I am excited about the pieces we have. After this season we can drop Kirilenkos contract and sign him for a reasonable amount around the mid level exception. With the extra 10 million or so from dumping that contract we can sign a valuble player to help a championship run. Also, next season Tomic should come over here. He is 7'2 and is rumored to be the next Gasol (Pau not Marc). The Jazz have the pieces in line to build something special. I'm excited.

  • Viva Los Jazz
    July 31, 2010 12:40 a.m.

    RE: Captain L I love the idea that Fesenko is like Mark Eaton physically but has a lot more athletism. You're right, he'll be much better - and hopefully we can sign him to a long term deal.

    I hope we can get a deal done with Fesenko. We have to have a defensive minded player and Fesenko needs to improve against elite teams like the Lakers, but he's much better than Kosta Koufos defensively.

  • Captain L
    July 30, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    BRuss: I agree I have said many times that the Jazz should do like the Lakers have done for Bynum, they hired Jabaar to tutor Bynum and it still took 3 year or so for him to come around.
    Bugoff: Was Siler's comments on twitter or the trib.?

  • B Russ
    July 30, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    I see where the Kings have hired Cousins' high school coach to mentor and help develop Cousins. Smart move by the Kings. Big men with that much ability are rare in the NBA.

    I wonder where Fes would be now in his development if he had had more mentoring or tudoring? If more emphisis had been placed on his development.

  • Bugoff
    July 30, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    Siler is suggesting the Jazz are close to signing Fes but not today.

  • B Russ
    July 30, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    I see where the Kings have hired Cousins' high school coach as an assistant to mentor and help develop Cousins. Smart move by the Kings.

    I have thought all along that Fes could use some mentoring and that more emphisis should be placed on his development. I am sure it has not been easy for him adjusting to a new country, new culture, the rigors of the NBA, Jerry Sloan etc. Big men that athletic are very rare and should be given every chance or opportunity to develop.

  • Captain L
    July 30, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    For some reason my last two posts weren't allowed to post. Maybe because I suggested another site to read some interesting comments, I'm not sure.
    The just of my comments were Coach Corbin stated that he felt CJ would be a go to guy in the NBA. That is something I have been trying to get everyone to realize for years. Especially Houdini. CJ has made it hard for some people to realize this because his stats and performance haven't made it obvious but talent wise and potential wise CJ has what it takes to be a go to guy.
    That being the case it is easy to see why the FO and coaches think CJ is one of the core players for the Jazz. CJ playing the 2 is where he is best suited & hopefully that is where he will get most of his minutes.

  • Bugoff
    July 30, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Sloan has a strong tendency to run his best players into the ground during the regular season. I agree with winning but he could learn from BOS and PHO.

    They both played less than ideal players to give the starters some rest and develop talent. Where would PHO be without developing Lopez?

    I think the Jazz injuries are related to Sloan over playing his Vets.

    It does no good to give Sloan bench players he will not play. IF the Jazz are to contend they have to have a very strong bench at least thru the first 5 bench players.

    When healthy Sloan is going to go with 9 players or less with the bulk of the minutes. The FO has to give him the right 8-10 players. The rest are development, insurance players but they have to be capable in case of injuries.

    The Jazz seem to be betting on Okur rather heavily. Can he rebound? Can he still elevate and shoot?

    I doubt if the Jazz know before the trade deadline. How well can they compete until the deadline? Do they try to compete or dump salary then?

  • Bugoff
    July 30, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    Fes is a reasonable risk for this year and the lock out year. By then the Jazz will know what they are doing with Okur's and AK's contracts.

    The Jazz seem much more serious about contending. They did not over pay Brewer or Mathews. They did replace Boozer (for less).

    The fans have discovered (FO knew) that there are lots of players who want to come to Utah. Decent players will come to a winner.

    They are moving players who are not an ideal fit at their respective position. They are refusing to over pay. They are acting more like SA. They know they can get good/better replacements.

    The flex requires the right players. IF the Jazz can get ideal players at each position as a starter, they can get tweeners for back ups who can play multiple positions.

    If they get enough good players and max the flex they will contend. WHEN it runs right the flex can't be stopped.

    The Jazz are still very weak on defense.

    Right now Fes is the best available option?

    OR use the TPE/AK at the deadline for the right C and/or an SG/SF.

  • 1tobeamup
    July 30, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    "The Jazz just need to sign him cheap for 3 more years." I'm sure that's exactly what the Jazz are trying to do but the fact a deal isn't done yet probably means Fes doesn't think he's worth "cheap". Fes and/or his agent may think the Denver series raised his value (either money or year of contract) more than the Jazz do.

  • byronbca
    July 30, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    Fes is a risk, but with so much potential at a position the Jazz are desperate to fill (shot blocking center) they have to take that risk. Signing CJ Miles was risk a few years ago too, but it looks like that gamble is about to finally pay off.

    If the light ever goes on for Fes he could be an absolute beast, if he never improves I think he’s good enough right now to be a good insurance policy if Okur or AJ ever goes down.

  • Suade
    July 30, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    Fesenko had never been counted on or given as much responsibility as he was given in the playoffs last year. I think now he realizes the focus it takes to play in big games and I think his discipline will finally be where it needs to be to make a solid contribution.

  • Captain L
    July 30, 2010 4:41 a.m.

    A center with the physical attributes that Fes has are hard to come by and so when you have one you need to try your hardest to develop him. Fes has only been here 3 yrs but his mental discipline and seriousness have been a problem and concern. Still with his abilities you don't give up on him, you push and encourage and work and hope he will develop and come around. When you see flashes of great play, that is when you say he has the potential to do that all the time if he just will, Fes had 12 boards in the last Laker game, games like that are what we need and games like the Portland game and Houston game. Fes has it in him to be good, the Jazz just need to sign him for cheap for 3 more years and then work with him and he will develop and if he's signed for cheap, he's a bargain and fills a need.

  • Kakashi
    July 30, 2010 1:14 a.m.

    well...i never said Fes should not be signed...he should be signed + 1 more Big and 1 more outside threat...there are also 5 bigs that has potential to be a shotblocking C...Spencer Hawes, Greg Oden, Cole Aldrich, Jevale Mcgee and Darko Milicic (yes Darko)...to name a few...and to be an effective shot blocker you need timing....im not saying im an expert...but if you perfectly timed for a shot...that shot will be blocked...Fes is a space eater...on D...that means there's this massive dude in the paint that you just can't move...if he improves he will be good...but he wont be top 5 C...he'll be more like Joel Pryzbilla a solid C...i can't see him pulling off a david robinson or a hakeem olajuwon...in the end...Fes will be a solid C...but not an all-star...he still needs a lot of practice for him to improve...

  • The Final Word
    July 29, 2010 11:52 p.m.


    Captain L

    Maybe you are only reading part of my posts. I have said all along that Fes is big and has plenty of ability.

    However I believe you guys give him far too much credit. Sure he has had some very nice spurts but the fact remains this:

    Last post season as he got more minutes his production declined...as the Denver series ended and the Lakers series began he got progressively worse despite being the biggest.

    Also don't forget Fesenko was on the floor with our first team as well which probably contributed substantially to his good +/-.

    I think Fes has dramatically underachieved given his natural abilities. He is huge and he moves well for a big man and yet he went huge stretches without even a rebound!!

    He has now been here for years...he has had great coaching, yet he has chosen to joke around, smoke, and act like a teenager.

    You said: "All Fes needs is playing time and coaching and he could be one of the top 5 to 10 centers in the league."

    Big leap to make based on his ability to translate his gifts he has squandered thus far.

  • Bugoff
    July 29, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    MIA has filled up their roster which means they have no room for their 2nd round picks.

    Varnado is one of the best shot blockers in the draft. The Jazz might be able to get him for a minimum non guaranteed salary of about $500,000. He is very similar (little heavier) to Evans but with more experience against better competition and is a much better shot blocker.

  • Captain L
    July 29, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    Re byronbca : Your comments are exactly what I have been trying to get all these so called experts to realize. Fes is exactly what you would draft if you were drafting a center, tall, long, athletic, bulk, almost all centers need developing, very few come into the league ready to play and make major contributions. All Fes needs is playing time and coaching and he could be one of the top 5 to 10 centers in the league. I'll agree he is a bit of a head case but the talent and potential is worth working thru that problem.

  • byronbca
    July 29, 2010 8:57 p.m.

    It seams like all Jazz fans agree that the Jazz need a big shot blocking center, but fail to realize that big shot blocking centers are the rarest of NBA commodities. If I were to ask the average Jazz fan to describe the perfect guy the Jazz should bring in to play the almost mythical “big shot blocking center” they would describe Fes with more polish.

    All the Jazz need from Fes is to do exactly what he did in the Denver series for 15 to 20 min a night. Fes’s strengths are Jefferson’s and Okur’s weakness and vise versa .

    If Fes can continue to improve he could be exactly what the Jazz need to go from a good team to an elite team.

    I'd be surprised if someone could come up with a list of 5 young 7 footers in the world right now that have more potential on the defensive end than Fes.

    The Jazz need a big shot blocking center and his name is Kyrylo Fesenko.

  • Nevada fan
    July 29, 2010 7:58 p.m.

    I am with you Chuck! Not only do they need to sign him they need to use him. Also don't sweat this guys that get lippy on this blog I guarantee you they wouldn't do it to your face and they know it.

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 29, 2010 7:34 p.m.

    Who makes up a name like Chuck Nunn?

    I reckon it was too much to expect you cats to man up. Well, Fesenko is what he is, a big center whu plays that role well when given the chance. There is a reason the Jazz want to keep him, and it's a good thing they don't listen to you cats.

  • JFFR
    July 29, 2010 6:25 p.m.

    Chuck Nunn- I came up with more than just one game. I clearly demonstrated that Fesenko does not have that big of an impact on the game. The Jazz did lose leads when Fes came out, but the point is it had very little to do with him coming out.

    And are we supposed to believe that Chuck Nunn is your real name?

  • Draft dumbie
    July 29, 2010 5:43 p.m.

    I checked out the Ukrainian team in the FIBA qualifying tournament on the internet this morning, and from the last entries I saw, it appears that Fesenko is no longer on the Ukrainian team. Does anyone know if that is true, and if so, what happened?

  • 1tobeamup
    July 29, 2010 5:14 p.m.

    Why is Dallas stockpilling centers?

  • Captain L
    July 29, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    This is going to be a long summer, football will help but...........
    It has been an interesting 1st month of the off season but now the dog days will drag on.
    Hopefully something exciting will pop up every so often.

  • Bugoff
    July 29, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    @Shaybo I agree. You can not expect one player to offset the collective effect of Bynum, Gasol and Odom.

    AJ is not going to do it. Millsap and AJ are not going to do it. However, they will be better than Boozer and Millsap.

    If Fes had Shaq's offensive moves then he and AJ might do it. But if Fes had Shaq's offensive moves he would cost a max salary.

    The strength of Fes is his impact on defense. If he can add some offense then he really helps the team.

    A lot of people think he played poorly in the playoffs but I thought he did okay. Not great but I saw enough to conclude that he could improve with enough experience into a defensive C who rebounds and get 8-10 garbage points and maybe some close shots.

    Stat wise both he and Koufos are in the bottom 20% of the Cs but they are not the bottom.

    Koufos may find a home in the triangle. All he has to do is rebound, and defend.

    Fes has a harder road in the flex. There is a lot more going on for the C.

  • J1232
    July 29, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    Im surprised Portland hasnt offered Fesenko a max deal yet.

  • shaybo
    July 29, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    Re: Bugoff, Fez is not the only big who hasn't had much of an impact against LA's big men, that list would include most of the centers in the NBA including Kevin Garnet.

  • Captain L
    July 29, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    CJ MIles: The point is whether the player is a first round pick the point is he doesn't like to play young players, he likes vets. Mathews and Milsap are the exception not the rule. Sloan has a hx of 22 yrs of the same problem, CJ, Fes, KK, are the lastest examples of players with alot of talent but not the hustle type player like a Mathews or Milsap. DWill was frustrated his rookie year because he was playing behind 2 journeyman (for half the season)pts (McCloud & Palasios(sp))and he was way better than them. Sloan plays with players confidence by the way he jerks them around.

  • ed
    July 29, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    Again.....D-will averaged 28.8 minutes as a rookie. He started 47 games,missed 2, and did not get to start 23 games. He only shot 42% and average only 4.5 assists. But he still started 70% of the time. He played more minutes than Stock played in 9 of his 19 seasons.

    D-Will has turned into a terrific player, obviously. He also proof that Sloan lets rookies play,when they earn the time.....but nobody gets to play based simply on draft position.

    If Hayward earns PT, he will get it....just like D-Will.

  • Captain L
    July 29, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    Re The Final Word : I agree with you on at least one thing, that being our current President, what a loser he is.
    But, concerning Chuck and Fes your way off.
    Like I said, to many of you fans can't see anything but statistics and if a player doesn't produce statistics he must not be any good. bahhumbug, bs,
    Fes isn't a stand out player YET but he has the potential to be one, whether he will reach that potential is to be determined but the positive impact he has on the game defensively is not hard to see. (if you can see). The object of the game is to out score your opponent, that takes defense and offense, & teamwork, Fes had the highest plus / minus of anyone on the team, that means while he was on the court his team was winning, THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT!!!
    The fact his offensive (and even defensive)game still has alot of room to improve doesn't mean he doesn't have a positive effect on the game. Chucks points are accurate, while Fes was in the game the Jazz were winning, period.

  • Bugoff
    July 29, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    Sloan has a vet bias partly because they get calls from the refs and because they know the system or pick it up quicker.

    If he is forced too or if a rookie is clearly better then Sloan will play the rookie. He claims it takes 3 years to learn his system. Some players never really learn it the way he wants them to.

    Some players are not the best players but they know the system and run it well. Collins is a good example. He was not better than Fes or Koufos but he played anyway. He is still not better than Fes and Koufos and many metrics support that. He is still playing.

    Coaches (not just Sloan) have biases in favor of players who implement their systems and do what the coaches tell them to even if they are not a good as some younger players.

  • CJ Miles
    July 29, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    Captian L: Millsap and Matthews were not first round picks. Sloan will play the underdog but he won't play rookie 1st round picks.........

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2
    July 29, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    Would love to know how Fess is doing in the FIBA qualifying tournament. Is anybody able to find a way to follow his games there? If so, what is he showing??

  • Bugoff
    July 29, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    Once the Jazz get into the Lux tax their options are quite limited.

    They have no room for error in any additional acquisitions. The big contracts of AK, Jefferson, DWill and Okur take up to much money.

    They are at the margin. If they lose 2 wings to injury this year like they did last year, what are the options? Hayward and OJ? Even if they lose one wing they are hurting.

    If Jefferson is injured before Okur returns (high probability) who covers C and back up C?

    Until Okur fully recovers this team is extremely vulnerable to injury. AK and Jefferson have histories of missing games.

    However, being in the Lux tax makes getting insurance players is expensive and difficult.

    I think besides Fes who can only play C the Jazz need an insurance player at big and one at wing.

    Resigning Fes is a no brainer. He even makes sense if the Jazz could find a PF/C who could both defend and contribute on offense for cheap.

    The Jazz do not win 50 games this year without some injury insurance.

  • Bugoff
    July 29, 2010 9:56 a.m.

    Fes had a discernable affect on the DEN games. Some games it was clear. He had a bad game or two also as I recall. However, when he had to go up against Bynum and Gasol who are taller and better than Nene and K-Mart he had less of an impact.

    The real question is not "should the Jazz sign Fes who is cheap, knows the system and is about as good or better than anyone left"?

    The real debate should be about replacing Okur with a C who will defend so that the Jazz defense improves or if the Jazz should continue to try to outscore opponents since they are stuck with Okur's contract for this year.

    Replacing Okur this year with anyone other than Fes amounts to trading AK (if possible) and still being at or in the Lux tax.

    Or use a trade exemption and going deep into the Lux tax. The average Cs who can defend and provide some offense start at 6-7 mill and go up to more than Okur.

    No one knows how effective Okur will be until he has been on the court 2 or 3 months.

  • The Final Word
    July 29, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    re: Kakashi

    You need to stop with like...the logic man....I mean Chuck has found his true love and Fesenko is the right man for him.

    Just leave Chuck and Fesenko to enjoy their fantasy basketball league they have going.

    Its really cool how the league works. Whenever Fesenko is on the floor and anything good happens he gets all the credit. All the stuff Fesenko does not do and all the bad stuff never gets mentionedor is obviously some other players fault.

    Kind of like our current president. Blame, blame, blame and then take credit for bogus stuff.

    I guess that is why they call it a FANTASY basketball league.

  • Kakashi
    July 29, 2010 6:14 a.m.

    this is funny....thinking fesenko changes the game instantly...i mean...there are a lot of factors in the game where in leads could be blown...heck...it's like saying that...i changed the channel when the Jazz were up...and when i turn back to the game...LA was leading...so it must mean...if i watched the game entirely the Jazz could've won...there are a lot of factors that have happened during that game...and its not entirely based on Fesenko...there are 4 other guys in there with Fes...so its not like Fes vs LA...it was Utah Jazz vs LA Lakers...to be honest...i really thought Utah will win the series...i never lost hope till the end...but the ball just didn't bounced our way...this year is something to look forward to...and i sure hope Fes develops into a more efficient player...an Oden Type minus the foul trouble and the injuries...

  • ed
    July 29, 2010 5:47 a.m.

    Anyone who watched those games could see that Fes did what he was told to do: Block his man off the boards and shut down the middle,without fouling out. He was not supposed to leave his feet to block shots.....and foul out.

    I am sure a lot of us who watched the games agree with your assessment.

    PS. D-Will played 28 minutes a game as a rookie....more than Milsap or Mathews. Could everyone stop saying that he did not play his rookie yeaR

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 29, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    Oh, and that was a 3-point lead in Game 1 against the Lakers, by the by. They fell behind by double digits before the quarter was over. Game 2, Fesenko goes out with Utah up 13-9. The game was tied 20-20 when he came back in, and Jazz trailed by 4 at the end of 1st quarter. Start of the second he's out again. when he's brought in with 7:13 in the game, Utah trailed by 11. Game 3, Fesenko comes out of the game with Utah leading 15-9. Game 4, Fesenko leaves the game with Utah up 16-12. By the time he gets back in in the second quarter, Utah's down 15.

  • JFFR
    July 28, 2010 11:50 p.m.

    Chuck Nunn- I came up with more than just one game. I clearly demonstrated that Fesenko does not have that big of an impact on the game. The Jazz did lose leads when Fes came out, but the point is it had very little to do with him coming out.

    And are we supposed to believe that Chuck Nunn is your real name?

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 28, 2010 11:01 p.m.

    OK, no more pansies responding to my post behind your little jolly pirate nicknames. If you're not man enough to use your own name, then keep your little snide remarks. JFFR comes up with one game that the Lakers had a lead when Fesenko went out, but that leaves out all the others, ergo, my point is STILL VALID! And Okur was INJURED during the Denver series, and all you daffodils moaned about how Utah was going to get swept with Fesenko playing. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. And "Final Word" I sure hope that's your final word, because you brought NOTHING worthwhile to this discussion. Don't agree with me? Don't have to. Welcome to America. But man up, or you're just a COWARD!

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 11:00 p.m.

    Hayward is going to have to play the first time a wing gets injured. Sloan will not have much choice. He did play Koufos his first year when forced and Koufos played pretty wel.

    Koufos was dorked up this year. I suspect it was the way he was handled. Sloan has his good and bad traits. The biggest problem is that he will not change unless forced.

    He has shown more flexibility since Larry passed. I think it is run more like a business now and less like Sloan's kingdom.

  • Captain L
    July 28, 2010 10:31 p.m.

    Re The Final Word : If you have read my comments on these sites before, I qualify my statements and give reasons for my opinion. Mathews and Milsap are the exceptions not the rule with Sloan, I have watched him for 22 years. Even DWill wasn't played like he should have been and most of the rookies sit, watch and learn before they get much if any minutes. It is just the way Sloan is, hustle players like Mathews & Milsap get PT but that is the only kind of player that gets it.
    DWill, CJ, Fes, KK, Brewer,Almond, Humphries, you can name all the 1st round picks over the last 10 years if not the last 20 years and the results are the same, rookies don't get much time. Again Mathews and Milsap are the exceptions not the rule.
    Sloan is a Hall of Fame coach but I don't like how he handles rookies and young players, he doesn't like a player to make mistakes and until they learn how to not make mistakes they sit, whether they are more talented or not. Sloan is a negative reinforcement type coach, which hurts players confidence.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 10:18 p.m.

    Earl Barron is cheap. NY does not use him a lot.

    But then NY could have played Lee at C with Stoudamire or they could have kept Lee (a better player) for less. NY is mismanaged worse than MN.

    Who knows what NY will do?

  • The Final Word
    July 28, 2010 9:52 p.m.

    re: CaptainL

    you said:

    "I like Hayward better than Korver but worry Sloan will do his normal and struggle playing a rookie."

    Ya, kind of like he did with Matthews and Millsap......DOH!!!!!!

    Its pretty simple people. If a player produces they get minutes. If there are better players to fill the minutes then the rookies sit.

    Big whoop.

    Quit trying to take anecdotal stories of rookies not playing and make it look like it is the norm.

    As for Chuck and Fesenko? I hear they are engaged. They were share their delusional vows at the altar sometime the summer.

    Sure thing Chuck, only you can talk like Fes is Shaq in his prime or something. It really is a bit ridiculous.

    Fesenko only got a qualifying offer from the Jazz and he and his agent can't scrounge up another dime from any other team.

    If you think he is so great Chuck then maybe you should offer him a contract to play in your fantasy league...you know the one where you describe to us all the magnificent things he does.

    Fes has talent for a big dude but unfortunately he seems intent on squandering it.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 9:11 p.m.

    Fes is bascially a bigger version of Beidrins or Przbilla if he can develop some offensive moves.

    He is not Shaq and neither is Shaq any more. Ming appears done or nearly. Big Z is mostly spent.

    Fes is about the biggest C out there right now. Zoubek is only 260. Pittman is shorter. Cousins is 270.

  • Kakashi
    July 28, 2010 9:09 p.m.

    i'd really want the jazz to make another trade before the other TPE's are gone...i dont know much about their salary situation...and how the TPE's will play...but...they could go for a trade...here are some names i'd throw in....
    Spencer Hawes, JJ Hickson, Marcin Gortat, Fabricio Oberto, Josh Boone, Jevale Mcgee, Hilton Armstrong, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison(depending on how Cole Aldrich and BJ Mullens plays out), Rasho Nesterovic (probably too old), Earl Barron and how bout Ronny Turiaf?

  • Captain L
    July 28, 2010 6:29 p.m.

    The interior D was bad with Boozer, Okur and Milsap but that is one of the things I like about Fes, he changes things the other teams like to do and he disrupts their offense. It is true his offense is far from being productive and efficient but he will improve. I have said this many times but those who can remember Eaton often wish we had a defensive presence like him and he produced very little offense. Fes is way more athletic than Eaton and he just needs coaching and playing time to develop & he can be much better than Eaton.
    Like Chuck was saying Tomic is not a true center, we need Fes and Tomic, Tomic can swing between 4&5 but Fes is the one we need to develop, so we have a physical presence in the paint. Like KOC and many others have said, Centers take alot more time to develop. Fes is only 23, those who want to rag on him and get rid of him need to chill out and learn some patience.

  • StocksOnTheRocks
    July 28, 2010 6:25 p.m.

    Fez would be good in the concession stand, selling cotton candy,

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 5:39 p.m.

    All of the stats indicate AJ is better at PF than at C. In the long run AJ will primarily play PF not C.

    Fes is either a temp solution at C until Okur return or he develops into the defensive C the Jazz can't afford without reworking AK/Okur's contracts.

    If Okur is the C the Jazz can't contend because neither Okur nor AJ are good enough on defense for the Jazz to be true contenders.

    Over the next 2 years the Jazz have to find/develop a C who can defend and has a decent offensive game.

    As long as the paint is not packed the offense will score. However, they will not contend without a defense like BOS,ORL or even LA's. All those teams have front court defenders.

    The defense at PG/SG/SF is passable but not great. The interior D is bad.

  • scalman
    July 28, 2010 4:48 p.m.

    AJ is not a true center, but he can play center. Okur is not a true center, but he can play center. Boozer played center in college, but he is not a true center. Lots of players could and did drive on Okur and Boozer (I've never seen Jefferson play, but he says he prefers PF to C and others have said he is not too great a defender).

    Not many players drive on Fesenko. He is a true center. We need him, and I like watching him, too.

  • Captain L
    July 28, 2010 3:27 p.m.

    Without Fes the Jazz don't have a true center, and definitely don't have anyone that can bang and hold his ground down low. Fes's impact on the game is way more than statistics show, his skills need alot of work but they aren't that far away. Fes needs to get playing time so he can not rush, or hurry things, he needs to slow down and use his size and strength. If he will do that he will gain confidence, relax and become more productive.
    Talent & potential don't always produce stats to start with, a player like Fes needs to learn how to use his talent and God given abilities and when he does he will produce.
    Centers with his size, (height,length,bulk)& athleticism, are hard to find, the Jazz need to sign him for at least 3 years and have team options for even more.
    The fact Fes's plus/minus was the highest on the team doesn't say his individual stats are great, it does tell us that while he is on the floor his team is winning. That's what we want isn't it?

  • uncle_albert_58
    July 28, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    Tomic, who would want to try to play this little guy against someone like Bynum. Get a grip on reality! Fez needs to be resigned because:

    1. He takes up space in the middle (anyone remember Eaton).
    2. He won't run like Ophertag.
    3. His contract is affordable.

    He isn't the greatest center in the leage but who else are the Jazz going to get for 1-2 mil.

  • Jazzman72
    July 28, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    The only way the Jazz will get a better c in the long run is either by trading AK this year, going after a free agent next summer with AK's money off the books, or bring Tomic over and see if he can develop. Fes is an ok stop gap at $2m or less.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 1:48 p.m.

    I would say replace Fes if the Jazz had a better player for the money to replace him with. FTs are a weakness along with all of his offensive game.

    I have reviewed the FA list pretty extentively. I looked over D-league and Euro. I do not see anyone the Jazz can grab for cheap and plug in who will defend well at C.

    I see some people who can play PF and cover C for a few games if necessary.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    July 28, 2010 1:48 p.m.

    15-20 minutes and six fouls is about all you can expect from Fes. That said he is still worth around 2 million if you ask me.

    The problem is when he plays the defense totally ignores he is in the game. Maybe with more playing time he would know what to do with the ball when it comes to him, but right now he has a lot to improve on offensively.

    Who are the 9 under contract? They must not be counting Gaines and Jeffers or the 2nd round pick. I fully expect those three and Fesenko to take the last 4 roster spots.

    I think you are panicking a bit about the outside shooting Bugoff. Like someone else said Bell is a very capable outside shooter. DWill, Okur, and CJ (streaky) can also shoot the ball pretty well and Hayward may be able to contribute also.

    I think this Jazz team has a legit shot at the 2 seed and if they can play well as a team and everyone steps up come playoff time they have a chance at beating the Lakers.

  • Richie
    July 28, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    Losing Fes wouldn't be the end of the world, in fact it might force the Jazz to get a better 7 footer, that can shoot free throws.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    Fes putting fear into Lawson and wiping the smirk off of Melo was worth the $900,000 the Jazz paid Fes last year.

    He struggled with LA but much of that is Boozer and Millsap being to short.

    I think AJ can handle Odom. IF Fes will block out Bynum, AJ might handle Gasol.

    The best way to beat LA is to spread the floor on offense and play zone on D.

    Fes and AJ put muscle on the floor and they can move LA out of their spots IF they will do it.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    @True Fan Hoopsworld is openly saying Utah does not have enough 3 point shooting to take advantage of Jefferson's low post game.

    Utah was a .500 team with Boozer's high post game until Korver was added to unpack the paint.

    Jefferson's low post game requires more shooting to give him the space needed to operate. You do not want AJ shooting contested double teamed jump shots.

    He has to have more outside shooting AND he has to become a better passer.

    Millsap will replace Boozer's high post game for now. AJ will operate in the low post and replace Okur's very weak inside game. No one replaces Okur's outside game.

    For that to work the Jazz have to have other outside shooters who can hit high percentage jump shots. IF they don't then the inside plugs and the flow of the offense stalls.

    My biggest concern is injuries to shooters during the season. The loss of Bell, CJ or even Hayward for a couple of weeks will plug the paint for several games.

    An insurance shooter (even a D-leaguer) is needed so they can cover injuries during the season.

  • B Russ
    July 28, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    @ Captian L, Chuck Nunn, Shaybo, and Bugoff

    Well said, I totally agree.

    I can't wait to see how Fes does this year. I seen quite alot of improvement with what little playing time he has been given. We've been patient with C.J. and it looks like thats going to pay off. I believe that Fes will start to payoff soon too.

  • Bugoff
    July 28, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    The reason to keep Fes is simple. The Jazz defense funnels the opposition offense to the C. It is designed to do that instead of allow base line attacks.

    For about a Mill Fes plugs the middle with hard fouls. He does not jump that well. He is not a great blocker. He does not appear to have the game experience that would allow him to smoothly switch when he needs to.

    However, he is BIG, athletic and very solid when hit by flying guards. He also manages to put his elbow into Melo's head on the way down from a rebound.

    After looking at the remaining alternatives they are mostly PFs. Their NET PERs at C are bad compared to Fes's. They may be better overall players as measured by WP48 etc but they are better at PF.

    Fes can be replaced. But where is his replacement for this season? Who can the Jazz can actually get right now?

    There is one more reason to keep Fes (cheap). The Fes/Boozer combo was the best combo the Jazz had last year.

    The Jazz need to see how good the Fes/Jefferson combo will be.

  • Draft dumbie
    July 28, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    Anyone who has followed the NBA at all should know that decent NBA centers are hard to come by. Except for those immediate impact centers that come along about once every 6-7 years, NBA centers usually take at least 5-6 years to develop (and often, even the most talented centers take time to develop). Therefore, unless the Jazz happen to have the #1 pick in a year when an immediate impact center just happens to be in the draft, they are going to have to find a "project" center and develop him.

    I'm unsure why everyone is so anxious to dump Fesenko when he has been steadily developing his potential for the past 3 years, is only 23 years old, and his contract is "peanuts" by NBA standards. By NBA standards, Fesenko has justified his contract even with his low production. Would everyone rather have someone like Jarron Collins with limited talent, no potential, similar stats, and a similar contract. At worst, he is a low cost back-up to match up defensively against large centers, who is a valuable trade asset. The Jazz should lock him up with the longest contract he is willing to sign.

  • JFFR
    July 28, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    @ ChuckNunn- sorry to keep hitting a sore point... I don't value the +/- statistic much, but I just wanted to show you Fes's +/- in the playoffs.

    Game 1- 5 minutes -1 (worthless stat, not enough time)
    Game 2- 20 minutes +10 (best on the team!)
    Game 3- 23 minutes +6 (Korver was +22 in 25 minutes)
    Game 4- 29 minutes +6
    Game 5- 20 minutes -7
    Game 6- 10 minutes -13

    Game 1- 13 minutes 0 (not bad considering the jazz lost)
    Game 2- 17 minutes +4
    Game 3- 12 minutes 0
    Game 4- 30 minutes +9 (worthless minutes..Jazz got killed)

    What does this prove? Well not much. Like I said +/- isn't that great of a snapshot statistic. I only posted it to show you that Fesenko is not a game changing performer. He is a role player. Jerry Sloan is a master of using role players... Fes will not get playing time in big moments (as evidence by game 6 minutes and the fact that he doesn't play much in the 4th)

    For a million bucks, bring him back, but not much more than that.

  • JFFR
    July 28, 2010 8:11 a.m.

    @Chuck Nunn- I'm getting tired of you continually sucking up and distorting facts. Fesenko was a big goof against the Nuggets in the first couple of games. He was not key to their victory. He filled a need, but we would have been MUCH better off with Okur.

    And your claim that "we had a lead every game until he came out" against the Lakers?.... um... thanks to ESPN that didn't take long to disprove.

    Game 1- 5:58 Millsap enters the game for Fesenko Lakers 16 Jazz 13

    Sorry, I really do like that you believe in Fes, just don't distort the facts.

    On another note... any updates on how he is doing in Europe this year?

  • 12->32
    July 28, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    People are saying Fesenko won the Denver series? Did we watch the same series? He did OK but Utah was just better than Denver. I really think their outside shooting is what won them that series. Against the Lakers it was a different story. I like most Jazz fans knew Utah did not have a shot that series with Okur out of the lineup. Yes it is true that Fesenko was our best option but far from effective. He was left unguarded on many occasions only to throw up a wild shot or get fouled and miss both free throws. Unlike the Denver series Utah got away w/ using Millsap and Boozer as F and C but not in the LAL series. Fesenko was exposed for being just a big body w/ very little basketball skills. I'd resign him but long term deal eh? Especillay now with Jefferson in place of Boozer (we know have a true low post player who is actually different than Millsap.) I like this team better already.

  • GoodGuyGary
    July 28, 2010 7:34 a.m.

    How much is Portland offering Fez?

  • financenco
    July 28, 2010 6:31 a.m.

    This may be a wish, and can be a reach. But how about Shaq coming here? His minutes are down. I don't see too many teams paying him more then the mid-level money out there, for the minutes he plays. His is now maybe a 10-15 point, 8 or so rebounder player for the minutes he has. That will give others a time to rest, or play along side. Derron would be able to easily find him for an assist.

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 28, 2010 4:08 a.m.

    I get a little tired continually trying to point out the virtues of Fesenko to the hard of heart -- and head -- but here goes. Fesenko was key in helping Utah past Denver. He played his role and he played it well. Against the Lakers, when he subbed out, the Jazz had the lead in every game. It was only after Utah went small that they'd give up the lead, and then they're fighting all the way trying to get back. Fesenko can provide the Jazz with a lot of punch in the middle, especially defensively. But he can only do it when he's on the floor. And if you're expecting Tomic to fill that role when he comes over, don't. Tomic can play center in a fast lineup, but he's more like Pau Gasol or Kevin Garnett as a 7-foot power forward in the NBA. The Jazz would benefit greatly from re-signing Fesenko.

  • Jazzman72
    July 28, 2010 2:12 a.m.

    Let's see how much Portland offers him! :)

  • TrueFan
    July 27, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    CJ Miles can shoot. So can Raja Bell, and Gordon Hayward. I don't see the need for another shooter on the wings at all. Williams is also a good shooter, as is Memo. In fact, this team is loaded with guys who can hit the J.

    I can see the Jazz resigning Memo when his contract is up, assuming he's regained his health. He's got several good year ahead.

    Fes looked flat footed, and completely out of synch in the Lakers series. Not to mention his flaky personality that drives Jerry nuts. He's a big body, and that's about it. His career stats, up to this point, bare that out quite clearly. You can get the same productivity out of dozens of other journeymen centers. He's expendable in every sense of the word.

  • Bugoff
    July 27, 2010 11:16 p.m.

    Assuming the Jazz sign Fes they then have to get insurance at PF.

    If AJ gets injured the Jazz play Fes at C and Millsap/AK at PF. Who back up the C? Millsap?

    If Millsap gets injured the Jazz start Fes at C and move AJ to PF. Or AJ plays C and AK covers PF, then Hayward plays a lot more at SF.

    If Bell, CJ or Hayward get injured who fills in?

    The Jazz really need back ups at PF/C and at SF/SG.

    They actually need decent players at those positions.

    I am not confident OJ and Evans are the right players for those roles.

  • Bugoff
    July 27, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    Given what is left out their as options at C the Jazz are best off to resign Fes to a multi year with team options.

    Hoopsworld is openly saying that the Jazz need more outside shooting to utilize Jefferson's low post game. Millsap will replace Boozer's high post game but Jefferson's will require even more shooting to give him room in the low post.

    The Jefferson (low post)/Millsap (high post) should be an improvement over the Boozer/Millsap small ball game.

    It remains to be seen if the Fes/Jefferson (twin tower) combo works as well as the Fes/Boozer combo. Outside shooting could be crucial.

    Tomic will most likely replace Okur's 10 Mill contract when he comes over. That would put Tomic and Fes at C. AJ would move to PF.

    The Jazz need to resign Fes, add 1 more outside shooter, play Gaines (or get better), get a back up PF for injuries.

    I kinda of doubt that OJ is a shooter or that Evans is a back up PF.

    A shooter at SG/SF is the highest priority.

  • shaybo
    July 27, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    Fez showed me something in the Denver series, we wouldn't have won without him period, with some playing time he will come in and be a banger and a force in the middle. Those who don't see the potential in him are just close minded and don't want to see. We need to sign him to a multi year deal or we will have to over pay him or lose him next year just like Mathews.

  • TrueFan
    July 27, 2010 10:00 p.m.

    I'm indifferent when it comes to Fesenko. I certainly wouldn't overpay to keep him. I think 2 million per season is the absolute highest I'd be willing to go, and maybe a 1 year deal. If Tomic comes over next season, to team with Jefferson, Millsap, and Memo, then Fesenko's services will no longer be needed.

    I certainly wouldn't be the least bit opposed if the Jazz decide to go in a different direction, especially if they can bring in a wily vet.

  • Captain L
    July 27, 2010 9:05 p.m.

    Houdini : I know you hate CJ, but I think he's going to make you eat your negative words this year, he started to play much better the last couple of months and in the playoffs he averaged around 14.4. He plans on averaging that much or more and improving his rebounds this year. I can't understand why you seem to dislike him so much.
    AJ and Bell should replace Booz & Mathews without a hitch, in fact I think AJ will be better than Booz and Bell better than Mathews. Bell will provide vet. leadership, something the Jazz have needed. I like Hayward better than Korver but worry Sloan will do his normal and struggle playing a rookie. AK should have a good contract year and the Jazz should be just as good as last year.
    To me Fes is the key to the Jazz being better this year then last year, if he can improve and develop what he brings to the game will make the Jazz better, if he doesn't improve and become at least a rotation player, I see the Jazz being about what they were last year.

  • StocksOnTheRocks
    July 27, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    Dont Sign this Ostertag Look-a=like!!
    go get a real player!
    better off with a real 6' - 6'-7" "real" basketball player, than Fez "waisted space" leads the league in banging his head against the backboard

  • The Great Houdini
    July 27, 2010 8:00 p.m.

    fes isn`t going to make much difference either way,unless he suddenly learns how to play basketball,as assembled we aren`t even a playoff team,maybe 9 or 10 seed

  • cedar
    July 27, 2010 6:36 p.m.

    i hope big al jefferson when he practices against fez does not get hurt again in a accident. fez is aukward but i still like him. he doesn't know his strength. would be a shame as we need big al to wipe out the lakers next summer. hope the second rounder gets signed and plays well and will be popular as he can fly and dunk better than brewer. kinda thin, they can fatten him up with burgers.

  • kman2max
    July 27, 2010 6:25 p.m.

    He played well enough against Denver in the playoffs. He's a big body and has six fouls to give. Plus he has an awesome haircut and he's a good dancer.

  • kman2max
    July 27, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    GO FES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear he's really good at half-court shots.