Tony Yapias, Alex Segura unite to call for civility in immigration debate

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  • Tooelean
    July 22, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    Issues of employment, health care, food stamps, etc... are issues that the Mexicans need to take up with their own government when they get back.

  • BoomerJeff
    July 19, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    There is a lot of inaccurate history being posted. Mexicans didn't settle Arizona, the Spanish (meaning Spain) did. Mexico owned parts of the southwest for about 25 years. Mexicans did not establish one colony or town in what is now the USA during their ownership. The only presence Mexicans had in this area were from robbers coming north. Whatever they plundered (including stealing Indian women and children) were all taken back down into Mexico. In 1846, a year before Brigham Young reached the Salt Lake Valley, he had Mormon Men enlist in the US Army to fight in the Mexican-American War and helped secure what is now our border with Mexico.

  • ds7
    July 18, 2010 6:52 p.m.

    when you see a snake, you don't call a committee on snakes, you kill the snake.

    these politicians are stalling...and calling creating a lot of meaningless committees.

  • Watch Dog
    July 18, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    All this hoopla over a list, when we should be concerned with the fact that the two top law enforcers in our state (Herbert and Shurtleff) are NOT
    enforcing our laws in regard to illegal immigration.

    That is what we should be worrying about! Had they been doing their jobs, there would be no need for a list.

  • facts_r_stubborn
    July 18, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    One point that should be made here is that hypocrisy in enforcing the laws will not help the cause of those groups and people fighting illegal immigration.

    It also really calls into question anyone's intelligence who thinks there is nothing wrong with making the personal information on this list public. It's against the LAW! Apparently there were legal citizens whose names were on this list. Care to share your information now? Even if were all illegal immigrants, undocumented people should also be protected from this type of criminal behavior.

    All you people who say otherwise are really not helping your argument. First and most troubling, you support obeying only those laws you agree with. Isn't that what you are accusing otherwise law abiding undocumented persons of doing? Otherwise you are just jerks who like to stir up controversy on the blogs. Take your pick, those are your only two choices. Cowley needs to go.

    Segura is right on. His actions give some credibility to the Minuteman organization. He is someone I would listen too, and consider his views.

    If you want to be effective in civic dialogue, don't say stupid stuff.

  • ex missionary
    July 17, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    An example of the mexican immigrant drug dealer fallacy, i.e. all mexicans are bad because some drugs come from mexico.

    Also, notice how he does not ask for any accountability for the consumers who create the demand for the drugs. If there were no demand, they would be no market for them - first cast the beam out of thine own eye

    Brother Chuck Schroeder | 7:20 p.m. - "...the problem of heroin addiction itself won't go away, more illegal's will bring it here and sell it."

  • hm_412
    July 17, 2010 11:01 p.m.

    I agree with these two gentlemen. The rhetoric has become quite hateful. People are called "illegals," instead of "brother" or "friend." Or, folks who want the law supported are called Nazi's or hate-mongers.

    The discussion needs to be civil. And I personally don't think discussion should be tossed aside to move to action. There's a reason why, in our country, people are allowed to discuss their opinions and's so rash decisions aren't made, leading to undesirable consequences. But hateful rhetoric tends to lead to hasty actions that limit the freedoms this country stands for.

  • JMT
    July 17, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    Mr Brer Rabbit, you may be correct about Alex and his former organization though his former organization is not actively engaged in solving anything.

    If you look at so many of these groups they are first and foremost fundraising groups. The Minutemen started out as solid groups simply wanting enforcement at the border. Within 12 months they signed fundraising contracts with major DC lobbyists and shifted from trying to solve problems to simply raising money, screaming as loud as they can.

    Local groups have not been about raising money but sadly they take their marching orders from these professional fundraising groups, like NumbersUSA and FAIR. They raise millions, pay their employees handsomely and solve virtually no problems. In fact, many staunch anti-immigrant leaders have noticed that they have even quietly opposed serious efforts. Even Tom Tancredo noted that both groups quietly fought some of his common sense solutions. As soon as the problem is fixed their gravy train ends.

    Fact is, Alex Segura may have no credibility with his former group but that is saying absolutely nothing. His former group has little credibility.

    Debate real solutions, not hair brained, knee jerk actions. This list does more harm than good.

  • SLars
    July 17, 2010 8:52 p.m.


    That's what this is all about, Amnesty. After years of bringing people here and cries for amnesty from the Hispanic groups, that is the entire argument.

    Do we continue down this road of illegal immigration, with cries of amnesty every 10 years by the Hispanic's or does America take control over it's immigration and stop letting organizations control it?

    There are people that found in 1986 that they could by pass our fair quota system in immigration and build up a power base of one ethnic group. 12-14% of our population has our presidents and governors ears, while the rest of America is ignored.

    We can't afford 12-30 million new people. The cost of court cases, judges, lawyers, investigators, chain migration, social services, schooling, police and fire, social security for 12 million is 2.6 trillion. (Heritage foundation). And in another 15 years we will have millions more here calling for amnesty.

    It's a pyramid scheme that has to stop through interior enforcement, and finishing the wall.

  • Brer Rabbit
    July 17, 2010 8:06 p.m.

    Anyone that gives Alex Segura (a voice of one) any credibility doesn't know much about illegal immigration in Utah. When he sided with Rep Cannon after the 2006 election, he became a nobody. Even the Utah Minuteman Project

    Then Tony Yapias has always been a media hound. He lives on donations from his groups.

  • Screwdriver
    July 17, 2010 7:55 p.m.

    Drugs are not the same issue. The list isn't of suspected drug traffikers.

    Lists are great as long as you aren't on them. How about a list of all the people on this forum and others that equate taxes to syealing? I bet most of them cheat on thier taxes.

    let's make a list.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    July 17, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    Article of Faith that says we believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law?. Did you hug a illegal today?. Just remember Utah, S.L. area officials concerned about sudden spike in heroin overdoses Officers say strong batch of drug may have been sold, and brought over by the illegal's. If you're taking a normal dose (of heroin) and instead of 30 (percent) to 40 percent pure, you get 80 (percent) to 90 percent pure, it's an amazing shock on the body. The problem of heroin in Utah is nothing new. Local and state law enforcers have held several operations, and continue to do so, in the south end of the valley, focusing on young adults from Utah County who travel to Sandy, Draper and West Jordan for the sole purpose of buying heroin and cocaine. Even though the recent rash of heroin overdoses will ease once the cycle of bad heroin is phased out of the county, the problem of heroin addiction itself won't go away, more illegal's will bring it here and sell it. God would not have his people cross a boarder, steal people's identity, smuggle drugs into the country.

  • ex missionary
    July 17, 2010 6:44 p.m.

    An example of someone assuming the worst of tens of millions of ethnic minorities. Why assume the worst? Why not recognize that hispanics hold very diverse opinions on literally every issue this country faces. I guess it's just far too easy to generalize and tear down and far too much work to see others in more humane terms.

    ST | 4:38 p.m.
    "LEGAL Hispanics... are Hispanics 1st and Americans 2nd or 3rd or 4th"

  • Deportation Glitch Lady
    July 17, 2010 6:36 p.m.

    This whole thing is so comical....heheheheh. Lord have mercy!

  • ex missionary
    July 17, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    Another example of hatespeak. Not everyone does it but it is becoming far too common to ignore.

    "the leeches of society"
    RobertBennett | 3:45 p.m.

  • DN Subscriber
    July 17, 2010 6:25 p.m.

    Yes, please be civil.

    Be polite and professional when arresting and deporting every illegal on the list, and looking for more.

    And be polite and professional when arresting those who may have broken laws in preparing the list. Hopefully, a jury of their peers will refuse to convict.

    And be polite when demanding impeachment of Gov. Herbert, AG Shurtleff and Chief Burbank if they fail to faithfully execute the duties of their respective offices.

  • patriotandmore
    July 17, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    Give the whistle blower heroes a raise and a promotion. Now the public officials can do their JOBS and round up the illegal aliens and send them out of here. If the guv and attorney general don't do their jobs they are in political hot water for pandering to the illegal community. The overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens want this bologna stopped now. Close the border. Jan Brewer for President!

  • ex missionary
    July 17, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    @Andrew J. Marksen | 1:15 p.m.

    I hope you are at some point able to find peace and forgive those individuals that have wronged you.

  • RobertBennett
    July 17, 2010 5:39 p.m.

    sagacity | 4:18 p.m. July 17, 2010
    Wow. That sounds like a threat, Mr. Bennett.

    It's called V O T I N G.

    As long as we can still do it and it actually counts, we need to do it.

  • ST
    July 17, 2010 4:38 p.m.

    How come LEGAL Hispanics aren't outraged by illegal Hispanics making a bad name for them?

    ... maybe it is because the are Hispanics 1st and Americans 2nd or 3rd or 4th !

  • ST
    July 17, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    All the ILLEGALS can be CIVIL by going back to their own country and obeying the LAW !

  • sagacity
    July 17, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    Wow. That sounds like a threat, Mr. Bennett.

  • RobertBennett
    July 17, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    THE LIST makes the government look bad. The people are onto them being aware of and sustaining the illegals. Now, the government officials are just having meeting after meeting trying to calm the legal, tax paying citizens down while catering to the leeches of society. We the people are angry and we are not calming down any more. We continue to be taxed and pushed around. We have had it. Take action or we will take action on you.

  • stubifier
    July 17, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    Those calling for swift and firm application of immigration laws argue from a strong rhetorical position, no doubt. "We have laws, they should be enforced." But do they realize how tentative the premise of "law" is here? Who made these laws? The people who were already here, who were already tasting the benefits of freedom. It's not as if these laws proceed from some natural sense of justice. Isn't one of the most fundamental American values the notion that any individual willing to work hard can make a better life for his or herself? What is more fundamentally American than that right, extended to ALL people? But, thanks to immigration quotas, not every person has the opportunity to come here. You can't just wake up and decide to become a legal American citizen. But for us and our children, this is a given. In spite of the fact that we aren't the original inhabitants. Our ancestors ILLEGALLY removed the American Indians to get this land. I'm proud to be an American, but nothing about this issue is simple or easy, in spite of what some people on this comment board want us to think.

  • Emophiliac
    July 17, 2010 2:23 p.m.

    Re: Truthbeknown

    Can you point me to a news report where someone has come forward and indicated that their name is on the list, even though they are legal? All I've heard so far is that Yapias called some people on the list and they told him they were legal. Beyond that, I haven't heard anything.

  • Christy
    July 17, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    Ok, why is no one addressing this OBVIOUS and LOGICAL, simple solution: Let the good and decent, hard-working people who want to stay here and become Americans, be brought out of the shadows and into the light, and be given social security #s (or something equivalent) so that they can start paying income taxes on their wages. In this way, they can pay INto the system they are benefiting from.

    Is it just more fun to sit back and call them bums and criminals and tell them to learn the Gospel in English???

  • Drifter
    July 17, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    I think the people who compiled this list should get a raise, a promotion, and a metal. NOT a pink slip.

    Herbert and Shirtleff should both be fired and move to mexico.

    Those who came legally and want to be Americans, learn ENGLISH and pay their way.
    MY WELCOME to you.

  • Truthbeknown
    July 17, 2010 1:40 p.m.

    It seems that some forget that this list was not just of illegal immigrants, it contained names of people who were here legally and of others who are citizens. The people who compiled this list did not care if someone might be put on the list who wasn't here illegally. I personally know people who speak both English and Spanish, who were born in the United States. One of my good friends was born in New Mexico to parents who were born here to parents who became citizens when this part was added to the United States back in 1847's war with Mexico. Please let use reason and not just think everyone who has a Latin surname is here illegally. I wouldn't object to being asked for my id whenever stopped by an officer and my citizenship status determined, but to compile a list of Latin surnames and call them all illegal is a little too much.

  • Emophiliac
    July 17, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    Re: Not_Scared

    Gees,and just think - if the Native Americans were not there first, there wouldn't be a Mission Nuestra Seora de los Dolores, Mission San Cayetano de Tumaccori, Mission Los Santos ngeles de Guevavi, Mission San Pedro y San Pablo del Tubutama and Mission San Xavier del Bac.

    Now, what was the question again?

  • Adver
    July 17, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    These illegals are just that ...illegal!! Does anyone need a definition of that? Deport them and the nut cakes that support them!

  • Andrew J. Marksen
    July 17, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Illegal DOES equal 'Criminal.'

    I fail to understand why this important and salient point is routinely glossed over by those bleeding hearts who are essentially saying that the sovereign borders of the United States and Utah are now illusionary and not relevant. It is NOT anti Christian to expect those who wish to come here to do so legally. It is not anti-Christian to be outraged by illegal immigrants getting a free ride and using social safety nets that they are not supposed to have. It is NOT hate to ask those who are here illegally to go home and come back the right way. It is NOT hate to want security. Where is the Christian compassion for a legal resident that has been beaten, assaulted, raped, kidnapped, or murdered by an illegal who should not be here? What do you say to someone who has been victimized by not only an illegal immigrant but also a government that condones, sponsors, and allows such people to even be here? I am all for diversity but not at the expense of sovereignty and LEGAL residents. Illegals need to be held accountable ASAP regardless of age, gender, race, or color.

  • attentive
    July 17, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    @ The Rock: What you said. Exactly.

  • Not_Scared
    July 17, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Bob Rooney | 12:25 p.m Conservatism ruined Arizona's economy. The most detrimental immigration into Arizona was white conservative who got great retirements working union jobs or for the government in California who moved to Arizona to avoid giving anything back to the state were they prospered. These same people have ruined Oregon and other states too.

    Bob crime by illegals had dropped by 34% since 2004. Jan Brewer's credibility should embarrass most Arizonans. If they had pride in their state.

    Mexicans founded Arizona. If not for the missions of Mission Nuestra Seora de los Dolores, Mission San Cayetano de Tumaccori, Mission Los Santos ngeles de Guevavi, Mission San Pedro y San Pablo del Tubutama and Mission San Xavier del Bac there would have been no Arizona for America to steal from Mexico.

    "What ugliness I'm reading here!"

    Beauty requires cultivation. Artist, architects and writers aspire to create beauty. It takes them year to learn the skills to create beauty.

    It takes no talent you make things ugly.

  • Truth csar
    July 17, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    Illegal is bad.

    Illegal immigrants broke the law.

    Go back out the back door and come in the front door.

    The United States welcomes law abiding and legal immigrants.

  • Christy
    July 17, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    Come on, DN. How can you post such vileness, but not responses to it??

    What ugliness I'm reading here!

    Don't you realize that Utah will never pass a law like Arizona's? Ever. Those who are advocating it are WAY to the right of the Church, and the politicians you've voted in.

    'Immigrant' does NOT equal 'Criminal'.

    Realize that the immigrants, legal or not, are NOT going away, no matter how hateful you act towards them. They are here to stay, and more will come. I suggest you get used to them being here.

    We need a workable, humane, INTELLIGENT solution. The people who are here, who are working hard, who want to become Americans, need to be given Social Security #s so that they can start paying into the system they are benefiting from.

    The racial prejudice and hate needs to STOP.

  • MormonDem
    July 17, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    I will believe that this is about the law, and not about hate, when all you flag wavin' pseudo-patriots start publishing the names and social security numbers of your neighbors who don't put their children in car seats. After all, it is the law!

  • Bob Rooney
    July 17, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    Thanks to the new strict Immigration Law illegals are leaving Arizona,
    but the damage what they have caused is massive. Broken state, ruined economy,
    many stolen vehicles, stolen identities, broken homes, drug problems.
    But they don't go home, they are moving to other states, to your state as well.
    Don't let them ruin your state like they did to Arizona. (Im from Arizona.)

    Push your state rep to make a change.

    Google this: NUMBERSUSA.

    Once you are registered, go to the "action buffet" to send FREE faxes now.
    They are all typed up and ready to go, you just need to click your mouse to send.
    Forward this to everyone you know.

  • Christy
    July 17, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    "The LDS church perpetuates the problem by all these
    Spanish Branches. Learn to speak English learn the gospel in English or please go back to where you will be more comfortable and please take your kids with you! "

    Wow. That is truly one of the most cringe-worthy things I have ever read.

  • activ2004
    July 17, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    President Gordon B. Hinckley

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

    Ensign: November 2001 "Reaching Down To Lift Another"

  • activ2004
    July 17, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    President Gordon B. Hinckley

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

    Ensign: May 2001

    It is counterproductive to be reactive on this issue regardless of the side you are on.

    This is NOT an issue of illegal immigration, it is a transparent magnifier of the corruptness of "GREEDY" labor organizations, government bureaucracies, "GREEDY" corporations (businesses) 'who cater to these individuals for profit', "GREEDY" media and politicians who are the beneficiaries of the “LAWLESS” exploitations of these people.

    Why are we not having congressional hearings to prosecute the perpetrators of disregarding the United States Code and aiding and abetting these "upstanding" individuals (that was a contradiction in terms, no offense) who have been counseled to remain in "THEIR" own countries and work to make "THEIR" own countries prosperous rather than systemically bankrupting individual states. And the United States of America as a whole. (IE: sucking BILLIONS of dollars out of our economy to “SEND HOME”)

  • Sick & Tried
    July 17, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    Governor Herbert better realize that he works for the "Legal" U.S. Citizens of the State of Utah. Herbert DOESN'T work for the "ILLEGAL ALIENS". We got rid of Bob Bennett...We "CAN" get rid of him !

    Wake Up politicians !.....or.....We will vote you out.

  • Not_Scared
    July 17, 2010 11:53 a.m.

    The facts are that must illegals in US entered here legally. They over stayed their visas. The number of people protecting our border has been increased sevenfold, deportations are up, deportations are up by 5% since Obama came to office, ICE is auditing more businesses looking for illegals and Obama signed an executive order requiring all contractors working on federal contracts to use e-verify.

    We have the conservative darling Jan Brewer who characterized the federal government as doing nothing to stop illegals. The fact is, violent crime by illegals in Arizona is drown by 34% since 2004. Jan said illegals were beheading people not one beheaded body has been found. Governor Brewer said illegals were bringing in drugs. Records of arrests by the border patrol, who conservatives tell us are doing nothing while the risk their lives protecting our border, show this isn't true.

    We have Fox News, talk radio, Jan Brewer and other fermenting hatred by misrepresenting facts.

    They waited until America elected our first black president has a midterm election is coming up to spread these lies and to entice hatred.

    We need civility. Its seems the power of hate and lies is winning out.

  • drewdayton
    July 17, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    I hate when people get all churchy, but I do have to point out that after the second coming(if you believe in it) there will be no such thing as America and America will no longer matter, or exist. So lets stop treating America like it is the most important thing in the world, or the eternal scheme of things.

  • drewdayton
    July 17, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    @Dektol and anyone else who thinks this is a legal issue. If you people really think this is a legal issue and that this "crime" should be dealt with and punished than by that same logic all of you should probably be charged as criminals just as much as any illegal immigrant. Have you ever gone over the speed limit? Well that is a crime that could kill someone, so if crime is crime then anyone who breaks a law needs to be punished. Dont just pick and choose what laws we want to enforce and punish people for. I have a hard time not believing this is not a race issue when people only want hispanics out of the country, what about whites or Europeans that are in this country illegally, no one complains about them, sure there are not as many but it should be just as bad. I have never read one logical argument on these comment boards, only hate filled statements. Hispanics have became scapegoats to Americas problems just like Blacks, and Japanese once were.

  • Dingo
    July 17, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    There should be a law of perpetual deportation! If illegal get out of The United States! Go home and stand in line with everyone else. Do it the right way!

    Salt Lake city is a sanctuary city !
    The LDS church perpetuates the problem by all these
    Spanish Branches. Learn to speak English learn the gospel in English or please go back to where you will be more comfortable and please take your kids with you! I heartilly agree with SG

    I am really tired of footing the bill of all these
    freeloaders. What is so hard about perpetual deporation? Don't split the families up just deport
    the whole family! Things are tough all over!!

  • RobertBennett
    July 17, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    The law is the law. So are our votes. We will clean house with those "leaders" who lack the courage to do the job the people who are here legally and pay their taxes want enforced.

  • Mason W Risher
    July 17, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    Help Arrest Governor Gary Herbert by joining this groupon Facebook - "Arrest Gary Herbert" - The State of Utah employs people who do not have the LEGAL right to hold a job in the United States of America, let alone being employed by the State itself. Let's get 1 Million Utahns to join this group and then by poular mandate put the Governor on a chain gang for allowing it.

  • Chris B
    July 17, 2010 10:28 a.m.


    And the mormons are also causing the same problem in California, Texas, Arizona, and every other state?

    Wow dude, a lot of us don't care too much for mormon doctrine, but seriously, blaming illegal immigration on the Mormons - weak

  • Free Utah
    July 17, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    It is always a good idea for invaders to call for "civility" while occupying another country, breaking its laws, and pilfering its resources. It would be impolite for the citizens of the invaded country to object too loudly. They would then seem rude. That would be wrong.

  • sg
    July 17, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    the illegals in Salt Lake feel safe because the LDS church remains silent always deferring to the "big" picture of salvation. Ok, that sounds nice, BUT, illegal is still the operative word here. The laws of the land should be obeyed and thus, the LDS church's position should be to NOT harbor those that are illegally here. I also believe that we have catered to the latino community by having all spanish branches....why? There is no encouragement to learn the English language. Why should they? They have places to go where English is NOT required. You want to live here, become an American, learn to speak English...learn the gospel in English. Assimilate. As to this list...let's determine how many are illegal and deport them and their entire families and confiscate everything they acquired while here illegally and then send a bill to their country of origin for repayment. But first, let's seal our borders now!

  • Dektol
    July 17, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    This is NOT an 'immigration' issue. It is a criminal matter. These bums are criminals, not 'immigrants'. Catch them, prosecute them and take them to Texas and put them on a slow boat to southernmost Mexico. A week of seasick boatride might slow up their trying to come back again.

  • Say No to BO
    July 17, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    Just how is an endorsement from a former group member and an activist considered news?
    Well, I think it's because that's the message DN wants to deliver.
    At best it belongs on the opinion page.
    Just another effort to whitewash our generation's irrepressible conflict.

  • DocSarvis
    July 17, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    The powers that be are trying to keep a lid on the illegal immigration issue before it explodes. It won't work. The majority of American citizens want something done about this, but the politicians on both sides, and the LDS church who's calling the shots in Utah, plan on doing nothing except giving amnesty. Obama, whom I voted for, is trying to scare states with his lawsuit. Herbert, by coming down hard on the whistle blowers, is trying to scare citizens from doing anything on their own. All of this is only making American citizens angry, and realizing that their elected officials work for the powerful, the rich, and their own self interest. American citizens are tired of subsidizing the education, health care, food, and social services for those who have no right to be here. In their eyes, their US citizenship means something. In the eyes of elected officials, it obviously means nothing.

  • CJ
    July 17, 2010 9:22 a.m.

    Neither of these two have any credibility left in their own former organizations. Who cares what they say? The list wouldn't exist in the first place if anyone charged with enforcing the law did their job. The real outrage is that no one in the state starting at the top has any will to do something about the problem, they have their own agenda that they think excuses them from doing their jobs. We replaced Cannon and Bennett, time to finish the job.

  • Andrew J. Marksen
    July 17, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    Salt Lake City is a closet sanctuary city. Salt Lake City's police chief turns a blind eye towards illegal's for more flowery things like press conferences. Salt Lake City is the "new" model city for ALL looking to be in the state illegally.

    I resent that the Latino leaders have co-opted this issue as solely theirs. Illegal means illegal and their shameless pandering and false sanctimony rings hollow. This article basically places the immigration failures on the liberal progressive Democrats who in state after state, city after city have failed to protect America. If anyone doubts that look at the legislatures in those states and who runs them.

    If we as citizens want change we have to start, not stop at the ballot box. Get rid of all of them. It is time to use a favorite Democrat tool against them, litigation. It is time to stand and be heard. We need to make life tough for every elected official who has proven to be a coward. Brand our elected officials with a scarlet letter of shame every time they appear. It is time for the electorate to get toxic on our representatives.

  • dumbo123
    July 17, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    I have lived in California for over 60 years. I have observed a lot of changes in that time. Some good and some bad. Through my careful observations over the years I strongly believe the most destructive event affecting the quality of life in this state has been the amnesty of 1986 and surge in Illegal immigration that followed. I have watched, following the 1986 amnesty, the crime increase dramatically and much of it violent and gang related. I have seen wages drop for many sectors of the economy due to unskilled illegal and immigrant labor. I have seen the education and the medical system crushed by the influx of illegal immigrants. And now I am witnessing the economic collapse of a once great state much of it caused by the Illegal Immigrant social cost burden. We tried here in California to stop the invasion, remember prop.187,but a treasonous Gray Davis and an activist court robbed us of our will. Since then it has all been downhill. Utah don't let this happen you. What California is experiencing is ugly and tragic. Illegal Immigration will cost you your peace, your finances and your quality of life.

  • Emophiliac
    July 17, 2010 9:07 a.m.

    Certainly, being a "patriot" and breaking the law to show an injustice should require some penalty. If there was no jeopardy involved, then there is nothing heroic about it. The 2 or more people who compiled this list should lose their jobs and maybe be required to pay a fine. Probation could even be a good answer, since I doubt they will commit this crime again in the future.

    As to the people on the list, we should politely let them know that they are no longer welcome in our country, if they do not have documentation. After a week, follow up and deport those who are still here. They obviously can't take a hint.

  • Blondie2
    July 17, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    One scenario nobody is talking about. Let's say the Feds get their heads out and start cracking down to the level necessary. Then these pro-Latino groups will start complaining about it being unconstitutional, and they will be actively against the Feds doing anything. Their bottom line is they want amnesty, they want exceptions to the rule of law for their ethnic group. They want the American way of life without being legal. No matter HOW they get it.

  • LDS Mom
    July 17, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    If these wistle blowers (and aren't there laws protecting wistle blowers?)can find illegals then surely it isn't that hard to identify and send home illegals. Our government has no excuse. And as for people claims of the list being like the Nazzi lists, I haven't heard of any one on the list being treated bad. So much for that excuse. I would like to know what SSN numbers are effected. Is it mine? Why does the government know that these numbers are being used and notheing is being done about that? Seems like maybe the wrong people are being gone after and the real victims are kicked to the curb.

  • Gregory Johnson
    July 17, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    I think this list should be thrown in the trash as well, after the illegals on it are sent home.

    July 17, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Aldo is right......our freedom is at stake.....Illegal activity at any level is ILLEGAL.

    Its not the illeglas fault so much as it is our leges who have not sent the right message.....tighten up the laws and the illegal situation will correct itself.

    Fine and imprison those who hire or use illegal labor....

  • The Rock
    July 17, 2010 8:00 a.m.

    I thought it was illegal to render aid to fugitives.
    Why is Tony Yapias not in jail?

  • Mike12345
    July 17, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    Cudos to those who took the risk to expose the Illegal Aliens Undocumented Immigrants. They send the list in April to the Federal Government. Like the previous 30 years, with the Support of the US Chamber of Commerce (cheap labor), The ACLU (Treating Illegals with US Citizen Civil Rights), and Hispanic Law Firms (sue in Federal Court to force schools to teach English as a Second Language), nothing was done or being done. The Federal Government is NOT doing its job. These people are bleeding us dry (10,200 Households previously receiving Food Stamps before rule change - about 50,000 people, Illegals receiving tax payer supported social services), one out of 15 kids in our school systems receiving a tax payer supported education at the cost of $4000 to $11000 a year. Why are we tolerating 65,000 Illegal kids an education paid for with tax dollars? No other country in the world permits that. Just go there and find out, if you are in a foreign country and enroll your kid in a foreign school, it costs you $8000 a year. Want lower taxes, charge Illegals.

  • curious george
    July 17, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    I'm curious as to what our politicians and immigrant reform activists do not get about illegal. There should be no debate! Illegal is illegal. Without law we have chaos and with chaos, no one is safe. The daily news headlines are filled with the lawless chaos south of our borders. What the heck are they thinking? These people want to debate this?

  • J. Adams
    July 17, 2010 6:39 a.m.

    I work in construction. I have seen the devestating effect of illegal aliens taking jobs away fron citizens, sometimes by intimidation and violence. I am going to make my own list of any company that uses illegal alien labor and send it to the govenor, police,ICE and the news media. I will demand action against employers that aid and abet illegal lawbreakers. It is time for Americans to unite and bypass politicians.

  • SLars
    July 17, 2010 5:37 a.m.

    It's unfair and dishonest to prosecute one side and not the other. We have been told by our attorney general that those illegally on the list will not be prosecuted. Therefore both sides should not be. Both committed misdemeanors and felonies. (being in the country illegally and working is a felony).

    Contact your state leaders, the governor, state representatives, senators, congressmen and tell them exactly how you feel. If they are not going to enforce the immigration laws on the books, then be fair and not enforce the laws for anyone. Even the whistle blowers that turn them in.

  • My2Cents
    July 17, 2010 4:35 a.m.

    There is not debate about immigration laws, the debate is about illegal foreign occupation of foreign nationals from Mexico. For hundreds of years Mexico has constatntly invaded the US trying to take back and occupy the territory of the United States.

    What the illegal foreign nationals from Mexico are bringing is armed and illegal conflict across our border. Do we just sit in front of the TV and watch our country get invaded and occupied or do we stand up and defend our borders from Mexico one more time?

    None of these illegal have immigrated so its not about immigration, they chose to invade and force their way in to this country so its about occupation and economic and criminal acts to loot and pilfer America.

  • patriotandmore
    July 17, 2010 3:36 a.m.

    Herbert must prosecute every illegal on the list or he must be recalled. Justice now.

    In a land where justice is outlawed, the just must become outlaws. -Zorro

  • JBrady
    July 17, 2010 3:28 a.m.

    I am afraid it's going to get worse. We can't call the Feds, they won't listen, we can't call the state, Shurtleff said he won't prosecute the people that are on the list that are here illegally. Herbert said there are two databases where the names of people here illegally are kept. So he admitted there were names on the list that are illegal.

    If the State (Shurtleff) and the Feds are being dishonest by not enforcing the law, how can they prosecute people who broke the law also for doing the opposite? Both sides are dishonest and a crime under our laws. It's hypocritical for Shurleff to enforce laws, when he has broke them himself.

    Segura and Yapias can talk all they want, it does no good. 78% of America wants our laws enforced, the longer we wait, the worse the enforcement will be as the resentment and frustration builds.

  • anti-liar
    July 17, 2010 3:09 a.m.

    "'s going to give Utah a bad name, and we don't want that."

    Similar warnings have been made to Arizona. And yet -- to Arizona's everlasting credit -- it has chosen to concern itself not so much with popularity, but instead with doing what is RIGHT. Does Arizona have a bad name in your view, Alex?

    Sorry, Alex, but I side with Eli on this.

  • dave4197
    July 17, 2010 2:54 a.m.

    those who like to lean on the rule of law phrase, need to jail the state workers who broke laws by making private info public. whistle blowing is not an excuse in this one since they went public.

    the real solution to the immigration problem is tossing out the old law, and making a realistic path for legal immigration to happen. and welcoming our neighbors from the south, who inhabited this part of the land before us white guys, instead of trying to fence them somewhere. c'mon pols, change the bad law.

  • Aldo
    July 16, 2010 9:41 p.m.

    I am A legal immigrant that came to the USA in 1980 in New York.Not only I wanted to become a US citizen but I made every effort to speak and read the English language. When I became a Citizen I had to read and speak English not to mention that I had to know about the History of the United Stares such as the 13 colonies the constitution etc.....Coming to this country Illegaly is a crime period.
    don't make excuses for it and don't protect the people that are here illegaly.
    we have a law obey by it

  • yomero
    July 16, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    hope they will make some time in jail .so the law of jail will keep them on track

  • SLars
    July 16, 2010 6:54 p.m.

    These guys are posturing. Both held high positions in their organizations and lost them.

    Nothing they say will make a difference as actions speak louder than words. If the state goes after the individuals and not after the people on the list that are here illegally, then nothing is going calm the situation down.

    I think people are tired of talk and no action.

  • sagacity
    July 16, 2010 5:50 p.m.


  • Vince
    July 16, 2010 5:32 p.m.

    Spot on. Just implement the hiring, selling, renting policies and make these people coming into our country the wrong way, do it the right way!