Utah Jazz: Wesley Matthews signs offer sheet with Portland

This time Trail Blazers are trying to take a guard away from Jazz

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  • ChaosAD
    July 12, 2010 3:56 p.m.

    The Jazz are like a personal shopping basket for the NBA.
    Jazz find a young overlooked talent, develops him into a legitimate player and loses him because they dont have deep enough pockets to hold onto the said player.
    Sure, my beloved Jazz were able to hold on to Milsap, but come on he's no Boozer
    Now we are stuck with a bunch of undersized players who can't really shoot the 3 consistently and in the modern NBA world that pretty much spells failure.

  • Banky
    July 11, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    Contact of Wes is so high?
    KOC , Please go back to sign ronnie brewer again.
    Get him back to UTAH in the same value contact wiht Wes.

  • vndymncn
    July 11, 2010 10:06 p.m.

    Matthews is a great fit for the Jazz, but not at that price. Really? Go get Shan Brown for 3yrs $18 mil and call it good. I want us to make a big offer to Scola, make Houston match or we get the energy big guy that works with this system. Bring in winners. Millsap could lead the league in boards and d-will in assists. With sloan the points will be there, center by committee. 48 wins would be another COY sloan should get but wont.
    Best free agent move? Hire Kevin Pritchard today! $2-3 million a year and let him help rebuild us without bottoming out.

  • cedar
    July 11, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    i think portland is holding mad about trading their number three pick when we got it and we got deron williams, funny they are trying to get mathews when they have lots of wing players with roy, and trying to call our bluff. the jazz should wait the seven days and let mathews go and the if we make the mistake of signing him portland brass will say whewww that was close, we really didn't want him. no one last year wanted mathews and williams made him so so to good and now every one thinks he is a god. he won't do anything in portland watch. don't sign him. funny most of these high priced unfaithful don't appreciate who made them better.

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 9:06 p.m.

    Todd, I'm not a Sloan fan, I respect what he has done and he deserves his accolades but I would welcome a change.
    As far as KOC is concerned, I don't know enough to make any kind of judgement. I know what he says, and that is that he is working the phones all the time but the details I don't know. If you know details, please let me know. A lot of judgements and assumptions are being made as far as I can determine, without the facts or details.
    I would love for KOC to pursue certain players like, Amundsen, Barnes, Udoka, to name a few but I don't know that he isn't pursuing them and for anyone to complain that he is doing nothing or he blew it because he didn't get a certain player is wrong, because he very well could have been pursuing those players. You (we)don't know. Just because the Jazz don't sign a player doesn't mean they didn't pursue that player.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 11, 2010 8:18 p.m.

    Portland is not trying to stivk it to utah, tehy know they need a big offer to him (matthews). they need wesley to back up roy

  • Terry
    July 11, 2010 7:35 p.m.

    Unsigned free agent, we could have required a 2nd year team option for $1 million if we would have had smart management!!!

    $9+ million the first year is all star money and more than the last couple #1 draft picks make. Lets stick it to Portland and call their bluff and we can use that money for some tall players that will actually help the team win more games. Wes was awesome for a rookie, but is not a seasoned veteran lottery pick! Lets not sink the organization with another AK overpaid contract!

  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 7:19 p.m.

    I kind of smile everytime people mentions beating LA...to be honest last years team...could've contend the lakers...its just that...memo was out...even though memo is slow...and not athletic...he does gets a few blocks...and can play outside and spread the floor...the sad part is...they should've groomed Kosta a bit more...i mean...come on...Jazz drafted him...might as well use him more...gain confidence...and produce...i believe given the minutes players will gain confidence...players will feel comfortable...John Salmons when given the opportunity produces...when he got benched...morale diminishes and he'll play badly...same goes to each other NBA player out there...and i do hope...we get a lot more Kevin Durant in the league...humble, loyal and continously working hard...i wish Wes Mathhews knows what he is doing...if not...in 5 years...we get him back...half the price...

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 11, 2010 7:08 p.m.

    Rudy Fernandez has said, he is either getting more minutes in PDX, or... is traded to a Bigger market (PDX is already bigger than SLC, so Utah wont get him) or he go back overseas where he can get minutes.

    Sorry Utah, he doesnt want to play there

  • Steeler
    July 11, 2010 6:49 p.m.

    I am finding hard to believe how mixed the emotions are on this team's fan base. Just a few days ago there were fans saying that Wesley should maybe get CJ money but nothing more. (about 3.7mil) Now I have never heard so many people calling for Ronnie Brewer...Yeah maybe he's the answer. Look Wesley is good ball player and your team is better with him than without. You have two major players gone and Bigs that aren't staying healthy. You may find Milsap to be a plus this year if DEFENSE counts for anything but this team is still not stable. If this team is going to make it to the playoffs this season it is greatly to do with paying Matthews. Look at it this way. After this season his salary is only comparable to that of the average 2 guard in the league. OK it was ment to hurt when Portland did it to you again but don't set on the fence like Jazz ownership when they said they'd present an offer to Wesley of free agent eve and then back track and let Portland bid first.

  • Bankshot7
    July 11, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    Don't pay the ransom, let Wesley go and sign Brewer. Let's wait until next year and then go after some real talent with th AK money. Don't let Portland force our hand. One good year doesn't mean anything and that's too much money for a second year undrafted guy with a lot to prove.

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 5:39 p.m.

    I would love to see the Jazz get Fernandez, I think he has been mismanaged in Portland and I love his game. He is a good passer, good shooter, athletic and I don't know for sure about his defense.
    Matt Barnes is a SF I would love to see the Jazz pick up he has paid his dues and is tough and a real competitor. He can guard the 2or3, I think he would thrive with the Jazz.
    If we could get Barnes, CJ could move back to the 2 spot, where he is more suited. Hayward could back up both spots and if we could pick up Amundsen we would be OK.

    July 11, 2010 5:38 p.m.

    All you haters out there just take the jazz for granted. What other small market team regularly wins 50 games a year? Everyone should be grateful that the Jazz are winners and your not rooting for a team like Minnesota who can't even get to .500. The Jazz may not be the big bad Lakers but they are winners. Wouldn't you rather have a winner than a bottom feeder who can't make it back to the playoffs?

  • Bankshot7
    July 11, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    Don't pay the ransom, let Wesley go and sign Brewer. Let's wait until next year and then go after some real talent with th AK money. Don't let Portland force our hand. One good year doesn't mean anything and that's too much money for a second year undrafted guy with a lot to prove.

  • Rick
    July 11, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    There is NO WAY Utah can let this kid go !!! His signing is a must !!! Better trade Millsap or malcontent ak because he's leaving next year anyhow..Signing WES is a priority...A defensive player like WES comes along once in a blue moon..NBA players for the most part are lazy & want to shine on offensive & don't want to waste any energy on defense..I like Mill alot, but you can replace Mill with a bigger body which will help vrs. LA ; UTAH CAN'T REPLACE WES FOR MANY YEARS TO COME...sloan preachers defense all the time & he was this stopper in "his" day ! Lets see if management knows the importance of WES's ability !!!

  • JazzFanSD
    July 11, 2010 3:56 p.m.

    I am happy to see the over whelming majority is in favor of letting Matthews go. Nice player but too much money.

    I seem to keep hearing Rudy Fernandez is available. I know he has been a disappointment in Portland, but he is bigger than Wes, a better shooter, more athletic, and cheaper. (ESPN lists his 2010 salary under 1.2) the only place he would seem to fall short of Matthews is defense. I guess my hope would be under Sloan the defense would improve. I am sure a lot of people think Rudy Fernandez is a bust but I keep going back to the gold medal game against the USA. I thought for long stretches of that game he was the best player on the floor. (Including team USA) I don't know if any sort of sign and trade could be worked out considering the difference in salaries, but he is a guy I would love to give a shot. (If you have forgotten "you tube" Rudy Fernandez dunks on Dwight Howard). For his salary, his "upside" in my opinion definitely worth the risk.

  • Observation-ist
    July 11, 2010 3:30 p.m.

    Todd, Your arrogance is astounding. You and Bugoff are soulmates, kindred brothers for sure. Speaking of Bugoff, just because you throw numbers around, that does not make you a statistician.

    IMO, the Jazz can't make this decision as a reaction to Portland. They need to decide if Wesley Matthews is worth 6M / year. No one posting here, including myself, has seen enough of Wesley Matthews to firmly conclude if he's the real deal (starting SG that plays defense and can score). I hope he is. I do prefer him over Ronnie B. I don't have another FA in mind that I'd prefer over Matthews.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 11, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    Thanks Fedor, Good grinding RSL win Thursday..Meanwhile Captain L, I can say every day "I try to"

    I try to be a "sloanaholic": Never
    I try to be a "optimist": Give me reason

    Meanwhile, another quiet day for O connor at home as Petro another player who could have helped the Jazz goes to another team

    Keep supporting O Connor

    The post earlier was right: Most every other city O Connor would have been fired so long ago

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    I usuallly like to talk about players and hoping some of the young players will develop and get better. That is what makes me have hope the Jazz can be better and compete. We have a lot of young players that should get better and thus make the team better but I want to get on my soap box and say whoa, whoa,whoa, wait a minute here, when it comes to complaining and criticising KOC and the front office.
    First we don't know that they blew it with Mathews, we don't know what they did, we don't know what they planned, we don't know what they offerd. There is a lot of assuming going on.
    We don't know how much KOC has been on the phones talking to agents trying to get FA's, we don't know how much KOC has been on the phones trying to make trades. We don't know, we don't know, we don't know, how can so many of you complain and criticise when you don't know what has been done? Yourall making hugh assumtions and flatout don't know what your talking about.

  • byronbca
    July 11, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    Re areyouinthere:

    Boozer was better than Milsap last year and he might be better this year, but Boozer is leaving his prime while Milsap will be entering his. Do you really believe that over the next 5 years Boozer will be worth $10 million dollars a year more than Milsap? Do you really believe that Boozer will have less injuries in his 30's than he did in his 20's?

    Even if the Jazz let Milsap go and cleared space for Boozer this year, based on Boozer’s history and rhetoric over the last couple of years, he would still have probably left for Chicago and the Jazz would have neither of them.

    I would much prefer that the Jazz pass on Mathews and take the money that they’ll save on his contract and Boozer’s and go get a center with their trade exceptions.

  • scalman
    July 11, 2010 2:01 p.m.

    Last player you want to slam in all this is Milsap. I think he has surprised all of us with his offensive improvement, especially on his jump shot. He was the only Jazzman to consistently go up strong against the Lakers at the rim. Also, I think Milsap and Fesenko can become a near-great rebounding tandem.
    I am belatedly saying Milsap is worth his contract so far, just not so sure Matthews is going to improve much more and will be worth matching Portland's George Steinbrenner type offer. Owners that way outspend other owners ruin sports.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 11, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    The Jazz should not match. The fact is SG has been a weakness for the Jazz over the last several seasons and the Jazz should not cripple themselves with this kind of deal. Look at the free agents and trade possibilities, SG's are a dime a dozen, and the fact we matched Milsap was b/c he is a big that we knew would replace Boozer. We all knew Korver and Boozer were gone, but Portland is dumb for trying to load a deal up to try and trap the Jazz, I think this will hurt Portland more then help them, and the Jazz have a whole lot more options as far as replacing Mathews.
    Bring in Shannon Brown and use TLE and draft picks to pull Al Jefferson from T wolves. Time for KOC to earn his keep. JAZZ NEED FANS IN THE SEATS, and with the current roster, good luck.GO JAZZ!!

  • RepresentBlue
    July 11, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    The Jazz should let Matthews go. He is a good player, and an asset to the Jazz, but it is clear that Paul Allen and the Trailblazers are trying to bankrupt the Jazz, their biggest competition in the NW division. The Jazz can't afford to get locked into another expensive contract with a player who has not yet fully proven himself in the NBA, and is not going to make the difference between an average team in the western conference, and a championship team.

  • Utes001
    July 11, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    Let him go or make the "JailBlazers" withdraw the offer at the last minute. I for one am sick of Portland capitalizing on KOC's stupidity (announcing year after year, who the Jazz are targeting in FA), and "forcing" the Jazz to overpay. I liked what Matthews brought to the table as much as the next Jazz fan, but I liked him at $700,000. By no means is he (or any of these overpaid jerks for that matter) worth this ridiculous $6,000,000/year figure. I say NO WAY does Portland really need or want him (Brandon Roy plays the same position!). I say the JAZZ should call their bluff this time and flip the table on their sorry organization. What a joke. Lastly anyone else tired of KOC yet? Seriously what has he done for the franchise, except for keep it mediocre. Put Scott Layden back in charge. Say what you want, but the Jazz made two "Finals" appearances under his stewardship as GM. College football can't get here soon enough!

  • byronbca
    July 11, 2010 12:19 p.m.

    Re Portland:

    Do you really like the fact that Portland is spending $14 million next year (with luxury tax) for Brandon Roy's backup?

  • areyouinthere
    July 11, 2010 12:19 p.m.

    byron, you're crazy. When we matched Millsap we pretty much guaranteed we'd have no shot at Boozer--bad idea--and we lost a starter and Eric Maynor in the process. As much as I love Millsap, matching that offer has turned out to be devastating. This is how our team could look:

    DWill Maynor Price

    If we would have let PM go, Brewer would have never left, Matthews would still be on our team as an extremely valuable backup, and we'd also have Maynor--a much better backup PG. We'd still have the lottery pick, so we get Gordon, and then when AK's salary comes off the books there's a huge amount of money available to bring in a key piece.

    That's a heck of a lot closer to making a deep playoff run than what we've got now...we're going to end up with:

    CJ? Jeffers? Who knows?

    So I know hindsight is nice, but looks like mgmt's decision to match Millsap is turning out to be pretty turrible.

  • Anonymous Infinity
    July 11, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    This LEAGUE has totally tilted to the Players Association and the Agents/the Nikes/whoever sponsors. It is clear that the deeppocket owners/mercenaries (players) are bankrupting/hurting the sport. It used to be teams could build their franchise unafraid of being raided by other teams, thereby creating over time a possibility of contending for a championship. Now it has gone the other way to an extreme, which is hurting the run of the mill teams who will be handing on by their fingernails when all this nightmarish scenario plays itself out this summer and in the months ahead. It will drive teams like the Jazz out of business when they will not be able to compete. I am appalled by the the heirarchy of the league and the owners who apparently are powerless to turn this ship around. And then, on top of that you have all the posters on this site lamenting and berating the Jazz ownership and management for not bringing in significant players from other teams to stock their roster. This is insane. The Jazz are simply being pickpocketed by the players/agents and whoever else is in league with them to come to this point.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 11, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    I think when POR gets Matthews, expect Rudy to get traded, and watch Matthews become B-Roy's backup. Matthews will be a strong 6th man in POR.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 11, 2010 11:12 a.m.


  • shaybo
    July 11, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    Salary caps are coming down, it's suicide to overpay an average NBA like Mathews, you end up at the cap with all average players.

  • byronbca
    July 11, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Re Bugoff:

    For all your basketball knowledge, I’m shocked to hear you call the Jazz front office incompetent. What the Jazz front office did just last year was remarkable, you know the cap rules, you know how hard it was to match Milsap’s offer without losing any key players. You should know that the Jazz being in a small market have to play by different rules than the large market teams.

    Did the Jazz handle the Wes Mathews situation properly? No, absolutely not, but this contract is poison for Portland, with the luxury tax they are paying almost $14 million for 10 backup minutes to their best player and I don’t think it makes them any better. If any front office is incompetent it’s Portland’s, they’re paying over $14 million for an average 6'3" 2 guard. Are they going to try and play him at the 3? We both know that if Wes gets 20 min a game at the 3 his WP48 is going to be horrible, because if he’s 6'5" Jerry Sloan is a fairy princess.

  • Fedor
    July 11, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    One more thing....I have spent the time in Portland before. I know one thing...Nate McMillen love the lineup he has.....with Batum, Roy, Aldridge, Miller and rotating center depending on who not hurt. So where will Wesley 'supposedly' fit in to starting or crunch time? Roy does not flourish at PG...that will not work out. Blazers are righting checks that they can only cash at bank, not on court. Matthews will get time when Roy gets hurt or when he needs break...and some 2 and 3Q time. Wes, you are appreciated in the Utah...you are hero here. Your jersey is so popular, you are man in Utah and poised to become one of most popular players. Now, you throw it away to become second fiddle.....wait, 5-6th fiddle in Portland. Enjoy the same fate as those who have gone before you.....Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Bryon Russell....I could go on and on. Jazz system make the average player look above average. In Nate McMillen system, Wesley Matthews will go back and be anonymous like he was before Jazz gave him the chance.

  • Fedor
    July 11, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    For once, I do not support Jazz with all this. The Jazz blindsided by this and there is no excuse. You do not let the Kyle Korver go....not knowing what Wes Matthews is going to do. And how does KOC not know what is going on? Maybe all this "no comment, no comment" stuff over years is a smoke screen for not know what goes on. Honest, how did this happen? This is not way you convince our beloved D-Will to stay. The NBA already walking dangerous path with the three horseman in Miami.....and fact that Jazz organization let this happen? Maybe we look deeper.....where is Greg Miller in all this? On family vacation? Really? We need the family time, yes, BUT in the meantime our Jazz FAMILY falling apart.

    Todd, maybe just maybe, you have been right all this time. I think Jerry is still my hero, but maybe his stubborn is washing off on all of Jazz organization.

    One more thing.....we CAN'T match this offer. It would be worst idea ever. To Wes Matthews, karma will not be good to you in PDX.

    Off to world cup final!!!!!

  • Winglish
    July 11, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    Bugoff, you have good credibility as a statistician. Here's a statement that shows a little naivete`, IMO: "The SG is the least important position in the Sloan flex."

    The shooting guard might just be the MOST important position in Sloan's defenses. A lockdown defender is needed for the Jazz to be successful. The 2 is responsible for the other team's best perimeter scorer. This is particularly true against the triangle, which is designed to succeed by using two interchangeable wing players and does not require much from the point guard.

    WP48 does not take some aspects of the game into account. Wins Produced is based on economic models. It doesn't show all the little things a player can do that aren't counted as statistics (like deflections, setting hard picks, screening your man away so a teammate can grab a board, etc.), nor does it show the potential for improvement through coaching/practice (something we see in Matthews).

    WP48 says that Artis Gilmore should be a hall of famer and Dennis Johnson was below average. That makes for a nice looking spreadsheet, but is certainly fallible thinking. Wages of Wins admits to fallibility. Read it.

  • Bill L
    July 11, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    After scanning next year's FA list and not seeing much. Why not sign Mathews. You have to pay someone. If Mathews is the best 2 Utah can get then spend the money. Just make sure there is enough left over next year to bring over Tomic.....and draft VERY well next year.

  • Hellooo
    July 11, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    Man is this front office dumb, and the coaching staff just too old and out smarted every time. Let's see who got Boozer here in the first place, and found Matthews when no one else thought he could play. Oh, and did the Jazz play for the number 2 position in the West on the last game of the season, even though they were without their highest paid player for the last month of the season. Right everyone else knows what they are doing, but not the Millers, KOC or Sloan!!!

  • Kakashi
    July 11, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    it too much for a guy like matthews...though he has too much potential...i mean...he is downright a beast....he blocked a kobe shot during playoffs...and a carmelo shot as well...but...its just too much for a small market team...the owners isn't a billionaire...they just simply can't afford them...whatever happened to taking a salary cut to improve the team?...just like Stockton did...NBA players and their blown up salaries...its sad that the Jazz are losing all these quality players...and they are losing them in an alarming rate....but i'd remain a fan...its going to be tough to be a championship team...you need an extremely talented player...along with talented bigmen...a great clutch floor general...and role players that would kill for the ball...even if O'Connor panicked and somehow....got Al Jefferson (a damage commodity...but worth the risk)....or probably...get Jefferson - Murphy and a decent wingman...like matt barnes?...that would be nice...

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    July 11, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    Ouch. I have to agree with some others. How can the Jazz continue with this policy with their restricted free agents. We don't want to negotiate with you, we'll just offer you the minimum and then you see what you get from others and then we will decide if we want to match.

    Sounds like the Jazz just want to sit around and do nothing letting the other teams do the work and then make a decision afterward. Give them a real offer!! Let them know how much you think they are worth. Who wants an employer who doesn't let you know how much your worth or that says go negotiate your own offer and then we'll decide if you're worth it?

    Matthews is awesome but he isn't worth this kind of money. I wish they would have given him a real contract back when they traded Brewer.

    Bugoff is absolutely right with the team option contracts. How can the Jazz not be doing this?

  • Captain L
    July 11, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    As far as I'm concerned the Jazz should get Barnes, Udoka, & Amundsen. They should be able to afford all three. Watching OJ during the summer , we need to find someone other than him, undersized (big heart)and can't shoot.
    Barnes brings a toughness the Jazz could use and Udoka and Amundsen are blue collar workers that produce enough to be valuable to the team.

  • Bossk
    July 11, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    Three absurdities have popped up repeatedly in these posts that need to be addressed:
    1. The idea that CJ will continue to improve but Matthews won't get any better. Why is it that CJ, a fundamentally lazy player with five unremarkable years' experience, is suddenly going to soar to stardom, but Matthews, the hardest working Jazzman with one solid year of improvement, has reached his peak? There is no logic whatsoever. CJ may get better, but Matthews' upside is far greater.
    2. The idea that the Jazz can add a few mediocre pieces and still compete. The Jazz were terrible at the start of last year, before Matthews came on the scene. And that was WITH Boozer. In fact, the only reason the Jazz did as well as they did last year was that Boozer (now gone) stayed healthy and played well, and Matthews pumped up the team's energy.
    3. The idea that Matthews' offer is absurd. Other than the bonus $5M-$6M/year is average for a B/B+ SG. Why pay $3M-$5M for an unknown when you can pay about the same for a proven player you know can work within the system?

  • Jazz Source
    July 11, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    That offer makes it easy.

    Sayanora Matthews.

    Enjoy your time on the bench in Portland dude!!!

    I sure hope the jazz are not dumb enough to match that.

    Matthews is not close to worth that so now we have essentially caused Portland to dramatically overpay an undrafted player.

    That works.

    Matthews is not really that athletic...just a hard worker but he is not going to get any taller which made it difficult for him to really stop any of the 2 guards we face.

    Not worth it.

    He got his money but the Jazz system made him what he is. Matthews will be sorry professionally he left and lost his starters spot.

    I guess he will be happy financially though. I guess we now really know what he is made of and what his priorities about basketball are.

    Show me the money!!

  • Fan WVC
    July 11, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    Good year for Wes,reminds me of Shannon Anderson.Let him go not worth 7mill. The system is why he was productive,well and Deron Williams. Will have good career but not here.Not for 7mill.

  • Draft dumbie
    July 11, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    Dorell Wright may be good option. He played good defense in the playoffs and can hit 3 pointers. He has much better size than Matthews. Miami has not shown a lot of interest in resigning him, and may be interested in a trade exception to help build their roster.

  • Anti Bush-Obama
    July 11, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    Matthews leaving will haunt us. He will be an All-Star and we will be stuck with a crappy paul millsap and a 20 win team.

  • scalman
    July 11, 2010 6:42 a.m.

    Sorry folks but I don't think Brewer is as good as Matthews in the half court. Brewer is a great athlete who can't hit his jump shot consistently. It will be same old same old problem if Brewer comes back. I just read D-Will's comments at his golf tournament on loosing Korver and Boozer. He understands it is a business and he is glad for those guys but it makes it tougher for next year and he will have to do more and he may now skip playing for the USA team this summer because he has to be sure his health is optimal going into the new season. He understands that Wes may leave too. He wasn't that upset. He likes the team's nucleus. So do I. Just saying again, if he thinks the Jazz really need Wes, let's sign him. He is a multi-talented guy who is very young, plays good D and can shoot and plays with lots of heart. Anyways, we will know more by next weekend.

  • fedup
    July 11, 2010 6:25 a.m.

    The amazing part of these exorbitant salaries to a guy who just watches games with his sports nut wife, is learning that it's the fan's money from tickets and buying endorsed products that pay these outrageous paydays! I find it ironic when I hear avid fans i know complaining about their season ticket prices. I obviously can't afford to be more than a casual fan.

  • Bossk
    July 11, 2010 6:06 a.m.

    The "let him go" posters miss so many key points:
    *Matthews is not just "another player." In the last five years, how many FAs have become consistent Jazz starters? Zero. How many trade acquisitions have done so? Zero. And now we're supposed to replace THREE key players? Ridiculous!
    *Matthews is so much more than his stats. His defense and effort changed the whole team chemistry. Remember how terrible we were at the start of last year before he got into the rotation (CJ and Brewer starting)? And how terrible we were when Matthews was benched in favor of CJ? Now that's supposed to SAVE us?
    *Matthews scored 9+ with no plays run for him. He led the team in FT and was 3rd in 3%. And the best defender on the team.
    *Matthews' career is on the upswing; most of the others' mentioned are on the downswing.
    *Without Matthews, we have zero depth. We need CJ off the bench, not starting.
    *Portland isn't stupid. We're competing with them for #8. They steal Matthews, and they leapfrog us.
    *There is no "next year." We win just 35 this year, and DWill is gone. So are Jazz.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 11, 2010 3:20 a.m.

    Doug MR Homer

  • Terry
    July 11, 2010 1:44 a.m.

    Love the guy, amazing rookie season, but not going to win you many games, so save your money for a big! Go after Scola or somebody with some game in the middle!

    Stick it to Portland for once! Even billionaires hate losing money on any business venture (jailblazers will lose a ton if he keeps doing stupid things like this) Not to mention the nexgt CBA will make all these crazy long term contracts look incredibly stupid next year!

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 11, 2010 1:35 a.m.

    Playoffs? as Jim Mora would say Playoffs?

    Right now as of tonight the Jazz are 9th in the West

  • shaybo
    July 11, 2010 12:57 a.m.

    Goodby Wes, see ya, the perception is that your better than you really are because you were undrafted and made the team, truth is your an average #2 guard who is not going to get much better. If the Jazz match this they are moron's.

  • G-Swenz
    July 11, 2010 12:53 a.m.

    Can anybody say Shannon Brown?!

  • JazzFanSD
    July 11, 2010 12:37 a.m.

    Congrats to Wes Matthews he worked hard and recv'd an absolutely ridiculous contract offer from Portland. Its a great city enjoy it Wes. (side note, I do find it entertaining that apparently a number of commenters here would NOT take a pay raise that increased your salary 15 times. Some of you are pretty loyal to the job that gave you your start I guess)

    Although a bit disappointing to lose Wes it will be more disappointing if the Jazz match. CJ is better in every way and has more upside. Wes Matthews is not bringing a title to Utah any time soon. If he he ended up being the 3rd best player on the Jazz they never win it all. Solid player yes, key to championship no.

    Jazz need to rebuild for championship runs, not 2nd round playoff exits. If that means a year of an overachieving 8th seed, while Hayward gets valuable minutes, CJ continues to grow, DWill becomes the un-questioned leader of the team, we find out if Fes or Koufus can play at this level I am fine with it. Just please don't spend unwisely.

  • Doug10
    July 11, 2010 12:32 a.m.

    Wes you little stinker!!

    Here is the deal, Wes played 4 years in college and he may not get a lot better. Seems Portland wants him and has said so with their wallet.

    In order to match is it worth it for the Jazz to pay him 2 million a year more than he should be paid? Is that cheaper than trying to fill the seats in the stadium while watching another less talented player develop.

    It has been painful watching Koufos develop and listening to Todd the negative know it all. For whatever reason Todd hopes for the big white guys to develop. Perhaps there is no better story line in the JAzz organization now.

    Wes had his chance to show some integrity and loyalty and chose not to. Sorry Wes but the Jazz won't miss that poor behavior.

  • Bugoff
    July 11, 2010 12:21 a.m.

    I am worried until I SEE some solutions. The Jazz are just deficient in to many key areas like rebounding and shooting.

    Their Team WP48 is really bad right now.

    When that comes up because they have added the right players then I will relax.

    MAX the team Wp48 and contend. That requires adding players like Barnes, Mahimni, Udoka, Amundsen, Gortat and maybe an SG. Replace Price with Gaines or Acie Law.

    The Jeffersons are not good deals.

  • Bugoff
    July 11, 2010 12:11 a.m.

    I would play Brewer (if he will come back) at SF until Hayward is ready then Brewer can back up.

    McGardy might be worth a shot if he will come. He played decent (not great) at NY. He is experienced and can shoot. Don't know about ability to defend.

    The Jazz don't need a lot out of the SG other than to spread the floor with outside shooting and to play D well.

    Is there a tall PG who can shoot and defend? He would not have to be a great PG as much as a shooter/defender.

    Acie Law had a Wp48 of .263 at GSW and .093 at CHI. Is he signed? He is 6'3", a bit short.

  • mc560
    July 11, 2010 12:08 a.m.

    Let him go.

  • Bugoff
    July 11, 2010 12:03 a.m.

    The reason I say the Jazz management is incompetent is simple. Every role player's contract should have a team option in it the last year. They can renegotiate the contract during that year. If they will not negotiate then you have a year to plan.

    They have no business signing players like Mathews, Fes, Gaines, OJ etc without a team option year in those contracts.

    It is fair to the players. They can prove they are really worth the market during that year and will get theirs.

    Cap L has listed some player who would help the Jazz as much or more than Mathews.

    Barnes and Udoka have WP48s 2 or more times higher than Mathews. Udoka is listed as an unrestricted FA playing for 838,000 on my info list.

    Jefferson .052
    Rasual Butler -.043
    Josh Powell -.137
    Shannon Brown, .056 similar to Mathews.
    Adam Morrison, -.095
    Stackhouse, -.003
    Jarvis Hayes, -.078
    Bobby Simmons,-.031
    Ike Diogu, don't know
    McGrady, NYK .066 Higher than Mathews
    Ian Mahinmi, .198
    Brewer .087
    Barnes .188
    Roger Mason,
    James Singleton,

    Barnes, Mahimni, Brown, McGrady (gulp), and Brewer (for 2 years) make some sense.

  • An Asian Perspective
    July 10, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    Portland is over the cap. Are they gonna pay $18 million to Wes including luxury tax?? That's ridiculous. Even worse than $17 million to AK47.

    Ronnie Brewer could come much much cheaper than this. Sorry to see Wes go but just let him go.

    It's hard to lose 3 players in a week, but any GM would do the same if they were in KOC's situation.
    I'm glad Jazz are not overpaying anybody.

    It's highly unlikely Jazz's gonna win it all this year, but hey, was it any more likely with Boozer, Korver and Matthews?

    It's time to be patient to stay financially flexible and viable for the future.

    And Sloan is one of the best when it comes to utilizing players nobody knows in his system, even though he's not very good at adjusting his system to players who's already established their games. Remember the season after Stockton and Malone left? The team was projected to be the worst in history of NBA, but they surprisingly won 500.

    Jazz will be fine and make playoff even if they let go of Wes. I'm not worried.

  • Viva Los Jazz
    July 10, 2010 11:54 p.m.

    I thought we could give Mathews a contract similar to CJ Miles. He was making $450,000 last year so 10 times that amount is my limit for him. I'd rather save money for someone like Al Jefferson, 12 million fills a void. I think Portland is playing poker but the Jazz need to call their bluff and let them over pay for him. Please don't match the offer!!!

  • mulrich
    July 10, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    Please don't say that Matthews is disloyal. He made the league minimum last year and now portland is offering him ten times that. Who wouldn't take that? Especially a player that could easily be playing in Europe if he had a bad game in the summer league last year. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity that you can't pass on. This is our fault for not extending him at $2-3M (closer to his true value) before he hit the market. I'm betting he would have happily signed that level of offer if we make it two months ago.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 11:38 p.m.

    The Jazz need 3 versions of the flex.

    They need a small ball run and attack version. That may be the primary approach next year.

    Sloan noticed that PHO almost beat LA with their fun/gun. To bad he did not notice the OKC/PHO zones.

    They need the traditional flex with enough shooting to open up the middle and good rebounding.

    They need an inside out version with Fes/Koufos in the middle and DWill and 2 shooters to bomb accurately from the outside.

    The Jazz are in bad shape at the moment. They need rebounding and outside shooting. They were deficient at both before losing Okur, Boozer, Korver, and now Mathews.

    Mathews can shoot and defend but is he worth 7 mill a year? Could that money help the team more at another position?

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Jesse, trying to make clues from O Connor comments on NBA tv, reading between the lines--

    I do not feel he will be matched

  • tiapan
    July 10, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    The battle is no longer for the strong or swift, but those who have the biggest wallet. Over 30 Mill for 5 years, what a joke, no wonder the average Joe can not afford to go see a game.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 11:32 p.m.

    Brewer has a higher Wp48 than Mathews but he can't shoot as well.

    If the Jazz can't get any other SG or SF who can shoot then, if Brewer would sign a 2 year for his 2.7 exemption it might be worth playing him at the SF position until Hayward develops. CJ could cover SG. If all else fails Gaines could back up SG. He is a much better shooter and defender than Price (Go look at 82 games data).

    The Jazz have to have some outside shooting and they better get serious about getting some before opening day or it will be packed paint the whole season.

    The front office is incompetent and there is no way to white wash it.

    The Jazz seem to be setting up to run with a small ball team. A Sloan variation of the PHO offense, but one that attacks the basket first. That will work until the meet a team that can stop it.

    Then they will try to play 1/2 court but the paint will be packed. If they can get a couple of shooter they can open it up.

    They also need a 3rd approach

  • rvalens2
    July 10, 2010 11:31 p.m.

    "He will regret being a backup to an All Star when he would have been a starter with the Jazz."- Porter

    Yes Jesse you are right. Matthews is going to have regrets.

    Million$ of them.

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    Todd, I don't mind if you are negative or critical after the fact but you liked to be critical or negative before you know what has been done. You don't know what the Jazz have done to try to sign Mathews. Mathews met with the Blazers a day or two ago and maybe Mathews came back to the Jazz and let them know before he signed, we don't know.
    There is a lot of speculation going on here and it is usuallly negative.

  • Jesse
    July 10, 2010 11:06 p.m.

    I agree with Bugoff about the front office philosophy, it has to change. One, extend him before his value is up. Two, don't let the league dictate his salary. Make a fair contract offer instead of playing the match game. Three, quit gushing about your prospective FA's. Ever heard of a poker face? Or how about not holding your cards out for everyone to see. Teams (Portland) know how much we covet certain players and realize we'll match nearly any offer. I love Matthews and his attitude towards the game, but this time we need to stick them w/ the bad contract.

  • Porter
    July 10, 2010 11:02 p.m.

    I say let him go to Portland. He will regret being a backup to an All Star when he would have been a starter with the Jazz. He is not worth the money. If the Jazz sign him, it will tie their hands for future signings, of which there will be quality players available at lower prices. Don't get caught up in overpaying. Matthew thrived under Sloan. In another system he won't be as effective.

  • rvalens2
    July 10, 2010 10:59 p.m.

    "What are you guys doing over there in Utah???" - Live Hard

    We are becoming the new D-League affiliate for Portland and Chicago.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    The SG is the least important position in the Sloan flex. CJ can play it about as well as Mathews.

    SFs are much cheaper given the WP48 that most of them produce. Go get a really good SF for that kind of money. Max the WP48 from that position. Have CJ work on his shooting percentage.

    Make a change in the FO. It does the Jazz no good to develop players so that POR can over price them. The worst part is that the Jazz refuse to learn.

    There has to be some changes in this organization. It consistently blows 1st round picks. It tends to over pay players. It just does not learn from its mistakes.

    When it finally starts to make changes it waits to long. Boozer should have been moved at the trade deadline.

    The Jazz have an inertia and continuity bias that kills them. They will not move when they need to move unless forced.

    They get acted upon when forces finally force them to move.

    They are not proactive.

  • rvalens2
    July 10, 2010 10:56 p.m.

    I'm REALLY starting to HATE Portland ...

  • Jazzsta
    July 10, 2010 10:51 p.m.

    Thanks @ Disappointing....for the only descent comment to be posted on this article.

  • Jazzman72
    July 10, 2010 10:50 p.m.

    Matthews is pretty good and shows promise, but he's not a $7 million per year guy. Let Portland choke on their luxury tax bill and get a serviceable two guard for $5 million or less. I'm sick of the Jazz being bamboozled by Portland with their free agents.

  • Fuzz
    July 10, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    Its all Karma brothers. What comes around, goes around.
    Portland is doing to the Jazz what the Jazz did to Cleveland and Detroit 6 years ago. Don't hate Portland for being better at it than the Jazz right now.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    I will listen to Bugoff over any of you. The Jazz are incompetent management. Beyond incompetent. It is sad but I knew it was going to come to this.

    You will all continue no matter what happens back O Connor, and SLoan.

    This franchise is going down every living second. It sickens me. Sickens me. Loving the Jazz since 1978 this is hard to watch this Management who was allowed to do this knowing you would support it (see ESPN poll).

    When this organization does something constructive and shows a seriousness to win, then my negativity will cease.

    What have they done for you? 16 teams make the playoffs out of 30 every year.

    Who cares as Sloan says "to remain competitive"

    It would be better to tank and get first round picks.

    If you sign couple free agents and Fes and Kous develop, then DWIL, CJ starting backline, Millsap/Hayward/ then Power forward and Center with experience you can salvage this. However, as O connor sits, your franchise loses any decent players left.

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    Re Disappointing: I agree, even though it is tough to be patient. We need to count our blessings in regards to the Jazz, we could have a team like GS,Wolves,Clippers,Grizzlies,Knicks,Kings, just think how bad things could be compared to what we have.
    Todd, be positive, hopefull and smile. It really does work.

  • Jazzsta
    July 10, 2010 10:47 p.m.

    The fact that Matthews signed Portlands offer, tells us something about him too. We opened all the doors for him and look where his loyalty went. I'm really beginning to hate a game I've always loved. Matthews can take a big hike also. To heck with all of you money grubbing scumbags.

  • Large Tuna
    July 10, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    @ Bill L: Easy there on the new miami trifecta, they haven't proven a thing yet... just sayin

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 10:29 p.m.

    Don't really like your idea of Lowry, he is 6'0 or less. He is a fireplug type and tough but I'm not that high on him. Udoka could be a good pick up though, is he a FA?
    Devin George might still be able to play for a yr or 2.
    Harrington could play the 3&4, he would be a good pick up. Don't know how many yrs he wants on a contract.
    Jefferson, probably wants too much.
    Rasual Butler, good shooter,
    Josh Powell,PF, Shannon Brown, Adam Morrison,
    Jarvis Hayes, Bobby Simmons,
    Ike Diogu,PF,
    Ian Mahinmi,
    Roger Mason,
    James Singleton,
    Bugoff : Check the WP48 on these guys and let us know if any of them would be worth looking at.

  • Large Tuna
    July 10, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    @ Bill L: Easy there on the new miami trifecta, they haven't proven a thing yet... just sayin

  • Disappointing
    July 10, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    Man all of you hating on the jazz management/miller family seriously need to check yourselves.

    The off season has been disappointing no doubt, but the Miller family has done more for this state than all of you ever could do combined in a million years!!

    They've taken a small market team and gotten them into the playoffs 21 of the last 22 years.

    I want the jazz to win a championship as bad as the next person, but you have to be realistic and realize that all NBA Franchises go through ups and downs. When you lose all star caliber players you can't just magically pick another one up off the street.

    As KOC said, judge this off season two years from now. There's no way anyone could have forseen this insane offer from portland. The front office will figure it out. We might be down for a couple years, but they'll get us back up. The only way we're ever going to win a championship in this small market is if we somehow luck into a "Tim Duncan" For now I think they're doing pretty dang good considering what they have!

  • BBSmith
    July 10, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    I vote for one of three players, Tony Allen, Ime Udoka or Matt Barnes. All three would be great for the Jazz and cheaper too. Offer Barnes 4 mil for 3 years and he will not hesitate to sign. Make it happen.

  • weedeater
    July 10, 2010 10:10 p.m.

    Millers are right to allow their players to test the market to insure that they are being paid market rates, rather than trying to trick the players, or leverage their situation, to lock them into a contract that is advantageous to the organization. You can say it's just business, and maybe everyone else does it, but the way the Jazz handle it insures that people are here that want to be here, and are confident they are being paid reasonably.
    In this situation a disgruntled person can get paid even if they play poorly (thus ride the bench) so it is imperative that every player is committed to the organization, not just contractually, but in spirit too. I think it takes guts to run it this way. Kudos.

  • cloud
    July 10, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    I'm just at a loss with this loss. I really like Matthews or should I say I liked Matthews. What ever Utah does I'll support. Always a Jazz fan!

  • TrueFan
    July 10, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    Your not sending a message to a billionaire, or the Blazers, by not matching the offer. They can afford to do stuff like this every year for the next decade. Don't fool yourselves. You have to protect what is yours...and the Jazz will, as they have in the past (Miles, Millsap). In fact, ever since the Jazz let Mo Williams go, O'Connor has never let a restricted free agent that the Jazz held in high esteem leave town. Greg Miller gushes over Matthews, as do Coach Sloan, and all Jazz brass. Matthews will prove to all you "doubters" someday that he is worth this contract and much more. He is a very special player. I've been watching players come and go through this franchise since 1982, and Matthews is not just "another" player. I'm sure a number of you didn't think they would resign Millsap either, but they did, and that was even a more expensive deal then this one (and the right decision). The only thing I wonder is if the Jazz will make Portland wait a full week before matching this time? Anything to inconvenience them a bit, I say.

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    I'd love to see the Jazz go for Matt Barnes, he is tough and experienced but should be fairly cheap.
    Morrow got an offer from NJ for 4 mil a year.
    Riddick got one from Chicago for 19 mil for 3 years.
    The Jazz need to go get Amundsen and Barnes!!!

  • T-spoon
    July 10, 2010 10:01 p.m.

    Lol at the continued comments about the front office.

    They've been talking to Wes. Wes wasn't going to sign the 3 million contract the Jazz wanted to give him when Portland is willing to give him 7 million. Loyalty just doesn't exist in this league anymore.

    The Blazers don't need Wes, they are just taking him away from the Jazz so the Jazz won't have him. If Paul Allen wants to waste millions to take away a player and sit him on the bench, just let him.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Ime Udoka is a whole lot cheaper and has a much higher WP48.

    Actually for this kind of money the Jazz are much better off getting an SF with a high WP48 and moving CJ to SG. SFs are much more cost effective and more reasonably priced in this market.

    CJ has a very low WP48 at SF but he may do better at SG. He defends just as well if not better than Mathews.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:43 p.m.

    The Jazz have the Boozer, Harp, Brewer and Maynor TEs. However, I do not think they can be used to resign your own player.

    How does POR exceed the MLE? That was supposed to be the Max that Mathews could be offered.

    The Jazz need to explore getting a GOOD PG who can shoot and play them at SG and then back up DWill. For 7 mill a year they could get Lowry. I do not think HOU would match that. The Jazz play best with 2 good PGs together.

    They can also move CJ to SG and go get an decent SF. That gives Hayward time to develop. CJ may play better at SG and his defense is as good as Mathews. Maybe moving CJ would improve his shooting percentage.

  • Uteology
    July 10, 2010 9:35 p.m.

    Millsap match was bad now this.

    Blazers can't develop their own players so they overpay for Utah's bench players.

    This is the same old Jazz, overpaying for bunch of role players. Look for Mathews offer to be matched.

  • Bill L
    July 10, 2010 9:30 p.m.

    DW, a championship caliber player.....not so for Boozer, Korver, Mathews, Okur, Milsap....not so for all of them put together.....Kobe, Gasol, Bynum....KG, PP, Allen....LBJ, Wade, Bosch....Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.....Jazz MUST find #2 and #3. Hopefully Tomic is one of them, then they have only one to find. The rest are roster fillers. Mathews is a roster filler....for an idiot billionaire. Get 1, 2 & 3 and the rest will take care of themselves.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:26 p.m.

    Way this kind of money at Raja Bell and he would fall all over it. You could get Fisher back for a year or to for less. I am not impressed with Fisher much any more.

    Morrow is much cheaper (can't remember if he signed yet).

    This is just an outrageous price. Mathews will get better but he is not going to turn into Kobe.

    If the Jazz call POR's bluff they will trade Mathews in a year or 2. They don't really want or need him. Stick it to them.

    I have to say emphatically the Jazz are mismanaged and it is time for some real change. They are a hapless organization when it comes to contract management.

    Throw this kind of money at Kyle Lowry and see what the Rockets do. You could play Kyle at SG and back up PG and dump Price to save. Wilkins (MN) would be a better deal than Mathews. Matt Barnes and Dorell Wright should be looked at (may be to late).

    CJ can move to SG. Get a real SF for next year.

  • GreasyDave
    July 10, 2010 9:26 p.m.

    @Steve Jensen

    ... and that's why you are not the Jazz GM. Would never happen.

  • sgs
    July 10, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    Let him go. If we were not going to resign Boozer and we go for Hayward instead of a big, there is no point in matching. Would just be a terrible mistake. Dump salary unless you get a worthwhile big interior defender. We will need the money in the future!

  • Chuck Nunn
    July 10, 2010 9:20 p.m.

    Basically, if the Jazz do want to match, they'll have to clear some cap space in a hurry, because the Blazers have exceeded mid-level exception amounts with the frontloaded offer for the first season.

  • Winglish
    July 10, 2010 9:17 p.m.

    I loathe Portland. Let Matthews walk and re-sign Ronnie Brewer if he's available for less than half the cost, which he might be.

    Please get healthy, Memo. Please, please, please heal quickly!!!

  • Anti Bush-Obama
    July 10, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    Matthews is 10 times better than Brewer ever was. He can shoot and do everything else Brewer can. No way should we bring back brewer and get rid of Wesley. There is no FA left thats better than he is right now.

  • Steve Jensen
    July 10, 2010 9:06 p.m.

    The problem is that Portland's owner is Paul Allen, the Co-Founder of Mircosoft. He is worth 13.5 Billion, he has the money to spent. The Jazz have the Millers - who have to take out a bank loan to match the offer for Milsap.
    Then next year AK's contract will be over and the Jazz will have money. They should give a Boozer size contract offer to the Blazer's restricted free agent Greg Oden (taking a chance on him) - Then make the Blazers Match a another large contract. Making Paul Allen out a few bucks, or the Jazz get a center that actually is 7'0". If we get him we would have a decent starting line up-
    PG - D Will
    SG - CJ
    C - Oden
    PF - Milsap
    SF - AK (resigned for a fair amount)
    PG - Price
    SG - Hayward
    C - Fez
    PF - Memo
    SF - Brewer? - resign?
    Ah, never mind. The Millers and O'Conner could never come up with something like that.... even though I did in about 2 minutes...
    Please Millers- Sell the team to somone with money- Like Huntsman Sr. He's a Billionare..

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    There are SGs out there much better than Mathews who are going for much less. This is 7 mill a year.

    The Jazz may be better off letting Mathews go.

    The front office has nobody but themselves to blame for this and there should be a change in the front office policy if not GM.

    They had the chance to sign Mathews to a longer cheap contract before they decided to trade Brewer.

    The policy of not getting a team option in the initial contracts is DUMB. The policy of doing nothing until the FA gets a market offer is DUMB.

    The Jazz learned nothing from the Millsap mugging.

    The Jazz need to make a change in the front office. They draft poor and they are bad on contracts.

    There are much better GMs out there and Millers need to lose their continuity bias and make some changes.

    If they had a dealer manager perform this badly he would be gone with a foot print on his pants.

    Millers are going to totally dork up this franchise if they do not start making some needed changes and hold the front office accountable for the nonsense.

  • Jazzsmack
    July 10, 2010 9:02 p.m.

    Players like wesly and millsap, are very bench players,

    but they not worth starters money,

    and do do not waste large amounts of money on players like them,

    else you will not have the money for players that can actually help you win a chamionships.

    are the jazz building a bench or a team that can win championships?

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 8:53 p.m.

    You can blame your brilliant GM again. When Brewer was let go, he should have been signed then.

    If O connor Is Dumb enough to appease "sloan and his Sloanaholics" by signing this guy and wasting 7 million of our precious money, the fan base is dumber than even I thought.

    meanwhile, Reddick will be gone. SLoan and the "holics" by the day letting one player after another get away.

  • stlouis jazzfan
    July 10, 2010 8:47 p.m.

    Trivia Question, who is the highest paid sophomore player in the history of the NBA? Lebron, MJ, Kevin Durant. Nope I believe it will be our friend Wes. 9 Million for a sophomore, unreal

  • statman9
    July 10, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    We need to get Mathews back, the Jazz need to do something other than sit and let players slip away. The Jazz are turning into the biggest looser of this year's free agency, come on Jazz, get Mathews back, he is the best fit for the Jazz.

  • scalman
    July 10, 2010 8:45 p.m.

    Just looked at comments on the offer at a Portland online newspaper. Most of the fans commenting like Matthews, but think Utah is sure to match offer and maybe this is a precursor to a Portland trade. Some fans were laughing because they know the move is at least costing Utah some money. Well, that isn't nice, so again, hoping Wes stays and now I am hoping Wes slam dunks some Portland player soon in a last second playoff series clincher.

  • stanfunky
    July 10, 2010 8:42 p.m.

    Let him go. Not worth that contract, especially to go ride the bench in Portland. Now that the big hullabaloo of the first 10 days of free agency are over, pick up the remaining dominoes for whatever you can, the big money is mostly gone, and guys who want to play with a winning team, with a top 3 PG in the league, will come here, if the Jazz do a better job of selling 'it'.

  • The Great Houdini
    July 10, 2010 8:41 p.m.

    Huge Matthews fan,but not at that price...adios amigo and I hope you enjoy riding the pine in Jailbreaker land

  • Richie
    July 10, 2010 8:36 p.m.

    Let him go and bring back Brewer. Let Portland suffer the consequences of having 3 good shooting guards and no good center.

  • True Blue
    July 10, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure Matthews will be the highest paid Sophomore ever. He'll be getting about 4 million more than any of the top Rookies from last year and twice as much as LeBron James did in his Sophomore season. If the Jazz sign him, they look like fools, if they don't, they make the Blazers look like fools.

  • Observation-ist
    July 10, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    I just checked. Portland's SG's are Brandon Roy and Rudy Fernandez. They are soooo playing the Jazz. I've decided I'd let Wes go and let Portland squirm to pay a bench player 7M/yr. Perhaps we could then turn around and use our Player Exception from Matt Harpring to re-aquire Wes when Portland wises up.

    I don't falt Wes for signing the offer. It's the thunb-sucking-pinheads in Portland that I'm beginning to loathe. Good luck Wes. $7M per year to watch Brandon start & compete with Rudy for scrap 2nd team minutes is a good gig ... unless you want to actually play in the game ... which won't happen in Portland.

  • japete
    July 10, 2010 8:31 p.m.

    I am sick of Portland.... find your own dang players!!! Stop waiting for us to find the diamonds in the rough, develop and mold them into great players so you can lure them away with your ridiculous contracts....Get out of our backyard!!!

  • Observation-ist
    July 10, 2010 8:26 p.m.

    Wow. I'm beginning to loathe the Portland franchise. I'm soooo fond of Wes. He's precisely what I look for in a player ... Hard Nose, Competitive, Excellent Work Ethic, etc. I'd like to understand if we could use our mid-level exception, constructed like Portland did in their offer. If so, then it depends upon what other options are out there. I'd prefer Wes over Ronnie B.

    I'd like to pick Deron's brain.

  • mulrich
    July 10, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Congrats to Matthews on the huge contact. I wish him well in Portland. He's a terrific player for a rookie, but there's no way we should match. He's now the highest paid player from his draft class and he wasn't even drafted or in the discussion for rookie of the year.

  • Dustin
    July 10, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    This is a tough one. I would not want to be in the shoes of the Jazz management. If Matthews works as hard for the next 5 years as he did this season, then he is worth it. I just hate to see us sign him to five years and watch him get overpaid for the whole thing. I don't want this to be another Kirelenko.

  • Bill L
    July 10, 2010 8:16 p.m.

    They have the money to match, of course. But, for a 2 guard who still has a lot to prove and is easily replaced, I would not do it. A big man like biedrins makes 9 million and a big man is what the Jazz need. Make CAP room for next year to pick up a quality Big Man AND bring in Tomic. Get a backup 2 in FA and draft one next year. THIS YEAR is going no where and matching this crazy offer will not help rebuilding the team next year. More PT for Hayward and Evans. Work on BIGS and 2011-2012. Let him go.

  • jesus752
    July 10, 2010 8:15 p.m.

    Wow Wesley is nice, but is not worth that big a contract. at least not now let him go. I hate Portland.

  • ExAFvet
    July 10, 2010 8:08 p.m.

    Who do we replace him with? Bring Brewer back lol (I wouldn't be surprised). This off season has been very depressing.

  • Bearone
    July 10, 2010 8:07 p.m.

    The NBA should outlaw front-loaded contracts like this!! Portland just wants to hurt the JAZZ in any way they can.
    If the NBA wants any type of parity in the league, they have got to address the issue of "rich team--poor team".

    Whether we sign Matthews or not will be a big decision---I agree that the JAZZ brass need to talk to D-Will and let him have some input. I too am worried about keeping him when his contract is up.

  • josemb
    July 10, 2010 8:04 p.m.

    this thing shows only one thing; the blazers LOVE the way utah develop undrafted players and 2nd round draft picks. they love how these players show heart, spunk and dedication to their profession. they love that the jazz players play their hearts out game after game after game. and it shows: the jazz swept the lottery pick-laden blazers last season. maybe the blazers should instead hire jerry sloan to get their slacker stars into shape and play like utah jazz players. we all know that the blazers only play those stupid iso-plays.

  • nvfan
    July 10, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    Be smart and watch Portland choke on this one. If you do not call their bluff now they will continue to do the same o same o. This is a contract that needs to stay with Portland. Bring back Brewer for much less and start negotiating for a power forward that can help this team. I like Wes, but he is not the key to winning a championship....

  • T-spoon
    July 10, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    Unfortunately, Matthews couldn't be extended last year.

    So how does this work? Since Matthews couldn't make more than the MLE, how is he able to be signed to a $7 million are year contract? Anyone got some insight they'd like to share?

  • B Russ
    July 10, 2010 7:55 p.m.

    Matthews is very impressive but 6'5" 2 guards that can defend and play are out there for a lot less. It would be harder to match this one than it was to match Milsaps.

  • byronbca
    July 10, 2010 7:45 p.m.

    CJ Miles averaged more points, more assists, more blocks, and shot a better % than Wes last year in the playoffs, and he did it all in less minutes.

    The 2 guard is the easiest position in basketball to replace. I would much rather the Jazz use the $7 million on a center.

    Right now the Jazz have CJ, who is more than capable of starting, Hayward, who looks capable of playing 15 minutes a game, plus Price, AK and Jeffers. They also have trade exceptions up the wazu(wherever that is).

  • Chucky
    July 10, 2010 7:43 p.m.

    Well he could start in Utah or come off the Bench in Portland.

  • BBSmith
    July 10, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    I like him but let him go. Go after Tony Allen if you want to spend that much money.

  • Florwood
    July 10, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    This time call Portland's bluff. Let them eat the 9 million this year.

  • stlouis jazzfan
    July 10, 2010 7:14 p.m.

    Crongrats to Wes! Thats the only thing to say, he worked his butt off last year, he deserves a longtime contract in the league. The jazz should of offered him a contract three months ago.

  • LKA
    July 10, 2010 7:06 p.m.

    I dont think we really know if Wes could have been extended after he signed his first year agreement. If he could have then KOC dropped the ball. The two D-leaguers came off ten day contracts so they were different. They are under contract this year but it is non guarenteed. After the first year of nine mill it works out to be six mill a year. He is young enough I would go for it.

  • odogtriever
    July 10, 2010 7:05 p.m.

    You have got to be kidding me. The decent thing here for Mathews camp would have been to call the Jazz before signing this toxic contract. There is no way Mathews wants to play behind an all star instead of being a starter!

  • foreal
    July 10, 2010 7:04 p.m.

    Way to much money for Mathews. Just clear some cap space for next year when AK comes off the books and then hopefully get some decent players

    I agree with you scalman!!!

  • justincaleb
    July 10, 2010 7:01 p.m.

    Great it would be nice if some one would take KOC. How many times can a guy make the same mistake and not get fired on a job?

  • jazzbball
    July 10, 2010 7:00 p.m.

    Way way way too much $ for matthews. Let him go, save the money for a more cost conscious option and get yourselves some height via trade.

    DO NOT MATCH JAZZ. I love matthews but not to the tune of 7 mil a year.

  • byronbca
    July 10, 2010 6:57 p.m.

    This contract is poison for whoever gets stuck with it. If I'm a Portland fan I would be praying that the Jazz match this.

  • byronbca
    July 10, 2010 6:55 p.m.

    This is a Joke right? Portland just signed a backup for Brandon Roy for $7,000,000 a year. When everyone else thinks he’s worth about $4 million a year. If the Jazz match this they’re almost as stupid as Portland.

    I really like Wes and I’m disappointed with this news, but the fact is, he’s not much better than CJ, and he is definitely not worth $7 million a year. He’s listed at 6'5" but he’s really 6'3" and no matter how good of defense he plays he’s never going to be able to shut down anybody.

    Everyone said he did such a good job on Carmelo, yet Carmelo averaged 32 ppg against the Jazz while shooting above his season average (46%). The truth is Wes played good defense for a rookie, he had a really good season for an undrafted rookie, but let’s be realistic here, he’s not going to get much better.

    I heard one analyst say that the Jazz’s run in the playoffs was a CJ Miles coming out party, well that party is hopefully about to continue for the next year.

  • abr2116
    July 10, 2010 6:53 p.m.

    At that price let him go! You can get similar players for much less. He was a great value before but now too pricey, Portland is overpaying!

  • NewMexicoUte
    July 10, 2010 6:52 p.m.

    If you ask me, the Jazz front office SUX! Call me a disloyal Jazz fan, but I've grown weary of cheering/supporting them since I was a little kid. Now I am thirty years older and Jazz are still in the same position. Heck, San Antonio even made aggressive moves to improve the team within the past decade and look what it got them??? Four NBA titles! Yeah, I cheer for the Lakers, a team I rooted for ever since I was born over thirty years ago before my parents moved to Utah. If the Jazz front office really wanted to win the big one, they'll do what they have to do to be competitive and make a run for the championship. D-Will will demand a trade in a heartbeat if jazz don't do something fast!!!

  • scalman
    July 10, 2010 6:43 p.m.

    That's a lot of money to be paying anyone with Wesley's limited experience. I really really like him as a basketball player, but I can only think of one thing to say to Jazz management. I want Deron Williams in that room when you decide what to do about this. If our team is gonna make a re-energized push towards a championship in the post-Boozer era, I want Deron's vote to count on whether Wesley Matthews is someone Deron needs to make it all the way. If he is not sure, let's let Wesley go. That said, hope Wesley is a Jazzman this fall.

  • BleedCougarBlue
    July 10, 2010 6:40 p.m.

    Holy cow!

    What would that be like to go from undrafted to earning $34M for 5 years worth of work?

    I'm glad for Mathews but I sure am going to miss him!

  • sports-junkie
    July 10, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    Wow. I hate Portland. I still say you gotta match though.

  • rfrmac
    July 10, 2010 6:37 p.m.

    I think the Jazz should let him go.

  • fastfox
    July 10, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    This is tough for me...I love Wesley but is he really worth nearly 7 million a year?! He's awesome and was a great story, and I think the jazz should have extended his contract last year during play. I didn't think he'd be worth more than 4-5 million, but 7!!!!!

    I'm not sure if I'd match, but then again who else is out there to replace him, other than brewer?

  • JazzyMan
    July 10, 2010 6:29 p.m.

    This comes out to almost seven million a year.Hey,I like mathews as much as anyone,but this offer,like the ones preceding it with other NBA players seems way too pricey. I think the Jazz should pass on this offer and let Portland pay the big bucks this time.Portland is deliberately trying to bankrupt the Jazz.Can Wesley be as good in Portland as he was for the Jazz? I don't think so. With the new CBA coming and teams in the future most likely dumping salary,the Jazz could very well be better off by just being patient and not panicky.

  • TrueFan
    July 10, 2010 6:25 p.m.

    I still think the Jazz will match. Millsap will only make 6 million this season, because his offer from Portland was also front loaded. Matthews will only be overpaid the first season (mostly because of the signing bonus), but like Paul, will seem very reasonably paid after next year.

  • Jazzanator
    July 10, 2010 6:24 p.m.

    We darn well better sign Mathews! This off season has been horrible! were losing a lot more than we r signing! Mathews played his heart out and I think he can develope into an awesome asset to the jazz, SIGN HIM NOW KOC!!!! Do something for a right for a change or we will lose D will in two years also!

  • Aces in the Hole
    July 10, 2010 6:23 p.m.

    The blocks are tumbling down!

  • vndymncn
    July 10, 2010 6:18 p.m.

    Those Blazers, Forcing our hand again. Best free agent available is Kevin Pritchard, let's go out and hire him!

  • one day...
    July 10, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    Wooooooooowwwwwwwww !!! we are so out of the game for this year!!!

    Sorry but the Jazz management team suck big time, they has the option to sign Wesley last year for a lot less!!!

    Bye Boozer, Korver and Mathews!!! 3 more years bye D-Will!

    We suck

  • goatesnotes
    July 10, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    Dismantling or rebuilding?