What's next? Jerry Sloan says other Utah Jazz players must pick up their games

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  • Rick
    July 11, 2010 5:21 p.m.

    classic jerrrrry ! nute rockny couldn't have said it any better ! lets see this john deere man pick up his game, better yet stand once in awhile during a game & show some emotion ! His locker room speaches at halftime causes people (players) to fall asleep at church & in the locker room !!! Time to send Jerrrrr out to pasture......

  • spaceman
    July 11, 2010 12:30 a.m.

    Sloan says CJ Miles is "terrific." If only the Jazz had 5 CJs. Then they could break an NBA record by loosing every game. No tickets for me this year. This is no longer fun, just sad.

  • spaceman
    July 10, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Sloan says CJ Miles is "terrific." If only the Jazz had 5 CJs. Then they could break an NBA record by loosing every game. No tickets for me this year. This is no longer fun, just sad.

  • Jesse
    July 10, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    People keep bringing up the year Millsap filled in for Booz. Well he played great and wore down towards the end, but he played through the injuries that a lesser man would've milked. The fact that he broke down only stresses the importance of a quality back up. He shouldn't be forced to play 40 minutes a night. Also, like a few posters have already stated, he has added quite a bit to his offensive game. He used to get by on sheer hustle, but he has developed a trusty 15ft jumper and he can finish around the rim with both hands. The Lakers series proved to me that he is ready to handle the load. His rebounding #'s were lower than Boozers but he outperformed him in nearly every other category. I'm excited to see what he can do. My estimates of 15 and 10 are on the low side of what I think he could possibly do.

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    Maybe what needs to happen now is for Sloan to retire, play with the players we have and some more D leaguers and get the top pick in the draft and draft Perry Jones.
    I don't know if DWill could live thru a season like that but the way things are going it could happen.
    I'd love to see Sloan retire and bring Horny in and change the way we play, Horny has the background of playing in Sloans system but I'm sure he has his own philosophy, I would like to see what he could do.
    Unless the Millers are willing to spend alot of money and pay a lot of luxury tax penalties things are looking pretty bleak. I like to be positive and will still try to hope that KOC will find a way to bring some decent players but things aren't looking too good right now.
    Todd, being positive and hopefull is the only way to be happy. You ought to try it.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 10, 2010 8:58 p.m.

    Captain L

    Give me and all of us a break, I like you but do not become Doug10

    State of Utah: This is all happening because you wanted it to

    SLoan "we all have to pick up theyr'e games"

    DWIL can hardly wait to leave

    O Conno and your championship rostr

    the one positive

    is maybe O Connor does nothing, and then the Jazz do nothing

    forcing frustration and for "jer and his Sloanaholics to quit"

    Boy that would make me a happy happy boy

  • the truth
    July 10, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    RE: cval | 2:15 p.m

    And by doi9ng better than should haven

    how did help team in long run,

    how did getting worse draft picks than they should gotten help them?

    overachiveing when you are rebuilding is a bad move.

    instead of getting dwight howard, okafor , luol deng, deven harris, childress, jefferson, josh smith or igoudala,

    they got kris humphies and snyder, and sign boozer and okur,

    how did that help them in the long run?

    sloan did the jazz no favors.

  • spaceman
    July 10, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    Miles is going to pick up his game? LOL. Please Sloan, stop it.

  • scalman
    July 10, 2010 4:32 p.m.

    Well O.K. Bugoff, maybe I was premature on Jazz 3-point shooting being solid with Williams, CJ and Hayward, but I'm thinking like Captain L that CJ's shot will improve. Hayward might not be playing many minutes for the first half of the season, so I'm going to be more realistic but still optimistic and say the Jazz will barely make the playoffs this year, but by the time the playoffs begin, they will have solid outside shooting. I'm thinking too that it would be a smart move for the Jazz to stick with skyman Evans and maybe skip bringing in Raja Bell. Also, I like the way Gaines and Price battle, but the Jazz definitely need a better back up point guard

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 10, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    I feel like the Ship is sinking, and if the Jazz can not put a winning team together for Sloan D-Will and the fans, chances are high you could lose out on all mentioned. The Jazz are not even close to being a top 10 NBA team with this roster. Better pay Al Jefferson and MLE for Shannon Brown, give us a chance to compete!

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 10, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    I think OKC has a system of young talent that some teams are trying to copy andhoping they get and find the succes that the Thunder did last season.

  • Samwise
    July 10, 2010 2:44 p.m.

    I agree with Jerry that other players will need to play better... but how about trying to get some better players as well?

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    I agree with Scalman. Fes has the potential to be as good as Shaq and better than Ming. It may take him another 2 years to develop.

    I think Koufos will improve rapidly as he gets playing time. He rebounds very well. His shooting is going to take time. He has to develop BOTH hands. He gets blocked because he is one hand dominant (Monroe).

    Both Fes and Koufos need to improve on defense. The timing of their switches is a big problem. That also fixes with playing time with the starters.

    I tend to disagree with Scalman on the 3 point shooting. Even with Korver the Jazz did not have enough good consistent shooters who could spread the floor and run an alternative offense.

    The Jazz appear to be preparing a speed/fast break team. However, they also need the traditional Sloan flex and that takes rebounding and more outside shooting.

    They need a couple of player with NBA experience.

  • cval
    July 10, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    I remember a film clip the year after Malone and Stockton were gone. Sloan was with he team made up of a few good players and a bunch of journeymen who had been cast off by other teams.

    He told them they were going to do a lot better than most people thought they would. Everyone expected 10-20 wins, and the Jazz delivered 42.

    Most of you guys see the glass as pretty empty. This team has a ton more talent than that team did, and I am confident they will surprise.

    Not likely a championship team, but a solid team... likely in the playoffs, and very well positioned for the future.

    Come on guys. This glass is way more than half full.

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    Re True Fan : Good post again: I'm getting tired of all the naysayers that post. Be positive and look for the good in people, players, team, this team will be better than people think. If we can avoid injuries. Talent wise we are thin but by 2011 things should be in good shape. They can bring Tomic over and have two first round picks next year. Wtih the TE's they have they will have the flexibility to find some quality players but do it in a financially smart way if they don't make moves just to make moves. They need to bring in the right players not just any player.
    Stay positive people!!!!!

  • Captain L
    July 10, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    Bugoff: I think CJ will come back and shoot better this year than last. Last year was his worst year shooting and I think he hated how he shot, I'll be surprised and frustrated if he doesn't shoot alot better. CJ started to go to the hole alot more towards the end of the year and should improve in that area too. Rebounding is an area he needs to improve on but that will depend on his mind set if he is determined to get more rebounds, he will improve in that area.
    The center position is a major concern especially with Okur out for a while but his being out for a while could be a blessing, as Fes and KK should get the minutes they need to develop. I think both Fes and KK can be major rebounders and an upgrade defensively, especially controlling the paint.
    I think it will take Hayward some time to learn what he needs to do to be effective but he is smart and talented and I think he will contribute sooner than alot of people think.

  • Old Timer
    July 10, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    The ship did not sink because of 2 shipmates! Just pick up the pieces and go forward with more conviction than you had before the setback. What else is there? No one lost their life, afterall this is "just" a game. The sun will come up this fall, quit the whinning and look forward not backward fans!

  • TrueFan
    July 10, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    This is really going to be a blue collar team next season. No prima donna's or pretty boys here. Jerry's "Lunch Pail Kids" or something along those line.

    I think we can all agree after five or so years, that Boozer clearly wasn't the guy to get us past the Lakers, and to the promised land. If the Jazz had resigned him at the price the Bulls offered him, it would have told me that as an organization they were happy with just continuing to be good, but never great. I think the Jazz made the right call not bringing Boozer back.

    Korver did spread the floor, and was a nice shooter, but he never averaged very many points, and was very streaky. He was simply a "luxury" the Jazz decided was overpriced in comparison to what he actually contributed on the floor.

    Hayward, Koufos, and Evans all impressed me to varying degrees in the summer league. All would be assets coming off our bench.

    I'm going to really get behind this team, because it's a hard hat kind of group. Sloan won't let them suck.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    Until now this has been Boozer's team. It reflected Boozer's personality. He was soft and played when he wanted to.

    Sloan kissed up to Boozer. The offense went thru Boozer. He had all of the power. He padded his stats. He insisted he was a starter. Sloan caved. AK played back up for the good of the team. Boozer? Not a chance.

    This is now DWill's team. It will reflect DWill's personality. That is a vast improvement. DWill WILL get on players for not performing. He plays hurt and plays to win. He is not just a money man.

    The Jazz can move forward now.

    IF the Jazz get the right players to max the flex the DWill team will contend.

    The Jazz need to add some short team insurance players and add the Right players as they get the right opportunities.

    By the lock out they may be a contender if all goes well.

    They are very good at evaluating current NBA talent. It will take time to get the right 8 or 9 players.

    This fall is going to be very rough if they do not add shooting and rebounding.

  • ECR
    July 10, 2010 10:58 a.m.

    page - you're right. This isn't high school. So stop using that Junior High shorthand.

    The Jazz haven't been a bad 'team' since 1982. Yea, they only won 26 games in 2004-5 but that was still twice as many as the Nets win this year and they had suffered some injuries. In the last 26 years they've had one losing season. Let's all stop hanging our heads and have a little faith. Hasn't anybody hear of Jim Valvano? Was his NC State team better than anybody on the 83 March Madness?

  • JFFR
    July 10, 2010 10:40 a.m.

    @Doug10- while I agree with what you said, Millsap has added something to his game every year. Last year he improved his jump shot and his ability to beat people of the dribble. He is also improving at scoring with his back to the basket.

    My prediction is that Millsap will be a top 10 PF by the end of the year. He doesn't have the abilities that a West and even a Randolph have, but he makes up for it just by being such a stud every single time he plays.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    The inside game is only efficient if the paint is not packed. The outside game is efficient if the Jazz have a strong rebounding team (that is one way LA kills them).

    Defense wins championships. The Jazz are losing players who excelled at offense but were poor on defense.

    The Jazz have to ad back shooting, rebounding and defense. They have already lost out on most of the FAs who would help.

    Brown's WP48 is higher than Price's but most of his other numbers are worse. Okafor has a WP48 of .151, salary $10.5. Not a good deal.

    However, the Jazz are likely to get a trade later in the year and get the right players.

    The right PF/C is not in FA this year.

    They are not in the Lux tax any more so they could get Mahimni for cheap as an insurance player. They also could pay Amundsen instead of let him go to DEN. Either of those moves would shore up the depth at big.

    They HAVE to get a shooter.

    They are 1 injury away from being in trouble. They need players with NBA experience.

  • scalman
    July 10, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    Bugoff hit it with Milsap better now because his offensive game is more versatile and his outside shot better.
    You guys not hanging with Fes yet, remember another big center named Shaq in the mid 1990s...people said he was too soft, needed to be more aggressive at the rim, and he responded big time. Most of the time in the last 10 years, though, he has just banged people in the chest and dunked. Well, Fes is a better dribbler than Shaq already, almost as good a passer as Shaq already, and just needs to finish around the rim better. Show us Fesenko!!
    You guys railing about lack of 3-point shooters on Jazz, well there are 3 healthy ones...William, CJ, and now Hayward. CJ has to learn to set his body right (no lean left or right) before launching his 3s...watching Kobe on film would help him with that.
    One more thing about Hayward...he, like Kirilenko, can rebound and dribble up half the floor, but Hayward has better foot speed. Look for Hayward, Williams, CJ, Matthews fast breaks...zoooooommmmm.

  • page
    July 10, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    i am sorry but this is not high school, or college. U need talent to win in the nba. I know that coach will get everything he can out of the players we have but talent wins and we lack talent. go jazz.

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    Gaines has an eFG of .467 for jump shots (74% of his shots). He has a passing rating of 13.7 and a hands rating of 27.8. His PER (48 minutes) is 19.5 while he held opponents to 15.2 for a net PER of 4.3.

    Price has an eFG of .369 for jump shots (65% of his shots). He has a passing rating of 8.3 and a hands rating of 18.7. His PER (48 minutes) is 11.9 (PG) and 11 (SG) while he allows opponents a PER of 16.9 at PG and 19.5 at SG for nets of -5 and -8.5.

    He may be a local, a Sloan Pet and make some spectacular gambling plays. However, Gaines is a far better player who should know the system by now.

    Price refuses to make the changes that would the team and make the second team run the way it should. It is all about him and his show boating gambling plays.

    Sloan playing Price is evidence that he does not always do what is best for the team to win. Gaines or another true PG would help a lot.

  • trikist
    July 10, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    The Jazz had three power forwards last year: Boozer, Millsap and Okur. It took a toll on all of them when they had to play considerable minutes at center. The relief for the Jazz might come as Fesenko and/or Koufos develop.

    I will be happy to see AK play some PF waiting for Memo's return. This is his contract year. What will he be worth to the Jazz to rehire, or not?

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    Millsap is better now than the year he filled in for Boozer. His outside jumper is much better and his inside game has improved. Look at what he did in the playoffs against LA. He will keep getting better.

    The problems are at C and wing.

    Fes/Koufos are going to get a lot of playing time. They are going to be bad.

    However, they should improve (maybe quickly) with that much playing time. As a rookie Koufos played as well as Okur. His WP48 was actually better. With Boozer gone they both may rebound much better. The Jazz were weak in rebounding. They are weaker now. That has to be addressed as the shooting is also weaker.

    The paint will be packed every game until the Jazz get some outside shooting to replace Korver. Mathews should be a little better than last year but he is not Korver. Hayward is a rookie and not a great outside shooter yet.

    CJ could improve. How hard is it to raise his shooting percentage 5%?

    Gaines may be ready for back up minutes and he can shoot.

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 10, 2010 9:56 a.m.

    I feel like the Ship is sinking, and if the Jazz can not put a winning team together for Sloan D-Will and the fans, chances are high you could lose out on all mentioned. The Jazz are not even close to being a top 10 NBA team with this roster. Better pay Al Jefferson and MLE for Shannon Brown, give us a chance to compete!

  • LKA
    July 10, 2010 9:41 a.m.

    I will look at the glass half full instead of half empty. Sap has one more year experience and will do fine. CJ started to come around at the end of the playoffs and I expect him to have a breakout year. Wouldn't it be nice to have Kosta keep the fire in him he had in the Summer games. Maybe Fess can get out of the eighth grade.. Hayward will be in the thick of it for ROY. Lets hope they keep Matthews and he improves even better.D-Will is in high gear and should have a banner year. It would be nice if AK would be injury free.Hopfully KOC can work out some trades. With Booze exemtion he has enough to go after Oakafor (SP?) with colliston thrown in for Price. They do want to lesson their payroll and are willing to give up collison with another player. Cheers to a great year...

  • Bugoff
    July 10, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Outside shooting and rebounding are the biggest problems.

    The Jazz have let most of the FAs that could have been helpful get away. It is like they are not willing to make reasonable offers on some of them. 5 Mill a year for Korver is not unreasonable. Morrow's offer is a reasonable deal.

    DEN will get Amundson for Cheap. Mahimni is going nowhere and could be had for 1-2 mill but the Jazz do nothing. Haslem has many options and will get a long term contract.

    If the Jazz have a plan it is not obvious other than to try to develop what they have and then maybe do something at the trade deadline when prices will be cheaper.

    They have both a depth and quality problem to start the season.

    Maybe they know how much Fes/Koufos will improve with playing time? Now that they have to play them.

    Maybe they have specific players in mind and are waiting for the right trade to open up.

    I do not have great faith in the Jazz front office. However, if they can replace Boozer and Korver with players who play D and O they will be fine.

  • jp3
    July 10, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    Sloan is a genius! Why, if we just pick up our games, we'll be okay. Brilliant. Oh, wait, what's that you say? Other players on other teams are also picking up their games too? Gee, I never thought of that. Oh, crap, we're dead.

  • CJ
    July 10, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    It would be nice if that happened but we are going to go downhill big time. You can put lipstick on the pig but it won't change it. Where are we going to find the points we get from Boozer and Korver? Willams is going to look go elsewhere too after this upcoming season, you can count on it. Andre will be out most of the season like he is every year and we will be in even more trouble.

  • bald eagle
    July 10, 2010 9:22 a.m.

    Agree Doug10. The year Millsap filled in for Boozer, he was worn out and disappeared at the end of that season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Millsap plays with a lot of heart. But it ain't gonna work having him be the focal point of the offense (defenses will really key on him). He's a great backup PF but I just don't see him leading the Jazz deep into the playoffs. Udonnis Haslem isn't much of an answer either. Jazz are in trouble for 2010-2011 season. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs, especially with Memo unavailable until Christmas or the All-Star break.

  • patriot
    July 10, 2010 9:19 a.m.

    Utah needs players ..period. Use that cash that Boozer freed up and go sign some players. I would like to see the Jazz get some foreign players in the mix as well as some proven vets. The Jazz need size inside for sure.

  • JFFR
    July 10, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    Millsap was good for about 20 games, then his body broke down. He was exhausted and couldn't handle it (He even admitted it!)

    You guys have selective memories.

    At least we have a fantastic coach. Unfortunately there are some amazing teams out there...even our division is better than it ever has been.

  • Doug10
    July 10, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    When Millsap played the season Boozer was injured he did very well but when Boozer got back 2/3 of the way through the season there was nothing left of Paul.

    He was beat up and his numbers had fallen off dramatically. The teams who played him the first time did much better when they came back against him.

    His inability to go either hand at the hoop makes him much easier to defend and his shorter stature is also going against him.

    Jazz fans may hope that Millsap can step in but when ESPN listed pf's in the league Boozer was number 3 and Millsap did not crack the top 20.

    I hope Paul does great but in reality the Jazz will need more help.

  • shaybo
    July 10, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    Milsap is going to struggle as the defenses pack it in with the NBA's worst 3 point shooting team (especially until Ocur gets back). He will get his 10 rebounds but probably more like 10-12 points. He also needs to improve his free throw shooting because he'll be on the line more. Maybe he could take Gains with him to free throw camp.

  • shaybo
    July 10, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    Milsap is going to struggle as the defenses pack it in with the NBA's worst 3 point shooting team (especially until Ocur gets back). He will get his 10 rebounds but probably more like 10-12 points. He also needs to improve his free throw shooting because he'll be on the line more. Maybe he could take Gains with him to free throw camp.

  • The Great Houdini
    July 10, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Doesn`t look good for this season,we`ll be very lucky to win 40.Millsap,18/12,may be an all-star

  • moodyblue77
    July 10, 2010 12:01 a.m.

    Millsap is a 13 and 8 man who often disappears in agame for up to five minutes at a time. He has shown little ability to ignite the team in the first quarter, gets 3 rebounds per game on shots he missed but should have made. He has limited range and at crunch time is a clunk from the field and at the line.

    Let's hope he can step up. And help make others better.

  • Jesse
    July 9, 2010 11:35 p.m.

    Millsap will do fine, 15 and 10 i'm guessing. Question is who will be his back up? If it's AK then who'll be the 3? Miles and Matthews (if he re-signs) should play the 2 and Hayward will hopefully be able to be the backup 3. So who do we get to start at the 3?

    AK will hopefully do a little of both but we clearly need another wing and another big. Throw in another PG because we could use an upgrade at the backup spot as well, plus Deron should get a little more SG time to make up for points lost from Booz.

    Lots of questions. I hope KOC has a lot of right answers.

  • Tuffy Parker
    July 9, 2010 11:14 p.m.

    When Boozer was injured season before last, Milsap stepped in and the Jazz didn't miss a beat. In fact, many observers at the time ppined that Boozer's return that season may have been a step backward.

    Boozer did have a good season last year, but keep in mind that it was a contract year. Milsap was as solid as ever in the minutes he had. I think we'll all be pleased with Milsap's contribution given a larger role and more minutes.