Utah Jazz: Wesley Matthews, agent talking to Blazers

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  • BillM75
    July 9, 2010 7:50 p.m.

    Millsap is actually a bargain now, due to the frontloading.

    Jazz would really be in good shape capwise had they drafted WM in the 2nd round, oh well.

    I think the Blazers were hoping to get Sap, they couldn't have been sure the Jazz would match something that big, based on all prior statements about the luxury tax from Larry Miller.

    I think the Jazz will go the full MLE match on WM. Too much, but losing a player of value you got as an UDFA to a division rival...too much of an intangible loss.

  • BlazersInsider
    July 9, 2010 7:02 p.m.

    Hi All. I'm not trying to be a troll. Just interested in following the WM story and getting a SLC perspective. For what it's worth (which may be nothing to you, hehehe), it seems the Blazers do have a bona fide interest in WM. The Blazers see him as one of the best young SGs potentially available at a reasonable price.

    Some of this has already been hashed out, but FYI they are over the cap and only have the MLE available. The current roster includes only the following guards: BRoy, Andre Miller (not likely to be around past this season, and highly likely trade bait before then), Rudy Fernandez (rumored to have already played his last game as a Blazer), and Jerryd Bayless (as well as some scrubs and rookies not worth mentioning).

    In short, WM is of real interest to the Blazers, i.e. this is not Millsap v2.0. This doesn't mean the Blazers have any chance of signing him away from the Jazz, but just thought I would clarify that they do have real interest...

  • shaybo
    July 9, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Sure way to field a losing team: Overload it with average players with above average salaries. They are already well into that category.

  • H2OSKI
    July 9, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    re: bugoff

    "They could have easily signed him for cheap.

    Instead they started and developed him to the point where they begged other teams to mess with them. They pulled the same stunt with Fes. Their policy of using the open market to determine the price of their players is DUMB.

    They have a hard time getting and keeping quality players. Why triple the price of a player you know you are going to sign by waiting to see what the market is going to pay?"

    You are just wrong on all this.

    Did we pay triple what millsap was worht?

    You have zero credibility with that assertion.

  • BillM75
    July 9, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    Jazz could not extend WM as he was undrafted FA. Terrible mistake not taking him in the 2nd round instead of that stiff who got cut in camp else he'd be locked up cheap, but how were they to know WM could play. I guess. They did consider taking him. Oops.

    I believe that as long as the Jazz haven't touched ANY of their MLE the most any team can offer WM is that amount. Elsewise they can go above that and the Jazz cannot. Rules are different for every way a player was acquired.

    Blolazers don't need him and are capped out, total agent ploy, WM will be back albeit not for pennies.

    WM shot .483/.382/.829/2025MP last season. Compare to CJ's .429/.341/.695/1497MP.

  • kman
    July 9, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    If i were Matthews I'll take the less money out of utah than the overpaid money of Portland (maybe 6mill), I mean in the Blazer he will be coming off the bench and get less minutes, he wont replace Roy, But in utah he'll get the chance to be in the starting 5 with more minutes and devolepe into a great player in sloan system and get the money in the future.
    But I hate the fact that the Jazz always wait for other team show their player the money instead of them extendig the contract first, yeas I'm talking about the Millsap case!

  • oldmanbball
    July 9, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    I've wondered why the Jazz did not extend Matthews contract before he became a starter as well and I may have come up with a posible reason. Sometimes in business using your inside knowledge to save alittle on a deal is not best in the long run. If the Jazz had used the knowledge that they were trading Brewer it may have built distrust when dealing with this agent in the future. Save a million on Matthews but not even have a chance at another player in the future. Just a posible reason.

  • Dr. Dunkenstein
    July 9, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    I have to respectfully disagree with Rick -- the Jazz won't resign Wes Matthews AT ANY COST.

    I think they would "like" to sign Matthews for around $2.7M/yr for 3-4 years (with the last year being a Team Option), and would probably be willing to go as high as $3.8-3.9M, but if the Blazers (or anyone else) offer him a front-end loaded contract that averages to, say, $6.5M/yr for 5 years, the Jazz would pass on that without thinking twice (and rightly so).

  • dwillfan
    July 9, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    portland trail blazers, i agree with you. paul allen does have deep pockets and if he chooses too will offer matthews some pretty good money. i don't think the jazz should match. on the contrary, they should find another 1st year player and mold him like they did matthews. sloan's squad is good at making shooting guards "look" better than what they actually are.

    at $13 mil, we should have more than enough to bring a good shooting guard and a decent pf.

    come on o'conner, earn your paycheck for once! let's see a few more s&t's!

    i was reading in a different forum that new orleans is trying to clear up some cap space...meaning, they would possibly be willing to trade okafor. at 6'10" and 255, he's a good sized dude that moves pretty good and is only 27.

  • Rick
    July 9, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    WES will be signed by MILLER at any cost.A player like WES comes along every 5 years.This 21 year old undrafter player was taking charges vrs. MELO & KOBE in the playoffs & even some calls went against him because he's a rookie.The Sky's the limit for this young man.Wes has a huge body for his height, wide shoulders & big chest to play tuff D...Utah will NEVER let this haed working kid leave SLC no matter what.....WES will get a 5 year deal soon to stay in UTAH.................

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 9, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    POR's owner, Paul Allen and has deep pockets. They do not care if they are over the lux tax, trust me.

    Out of all the small markets, Portland is the richest and is the one who least worries about money.

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Todd Thanks for the encouragement.

    You come up with very interesting information and perspectives which I appreciate.

    There are others on here who know a lot more about basketball than I ever will. I consider myself to be a student. I often make comments from only one perspective without considering the other camera angles.

    Overall, with the spectrum of opinions on this forum you can get a pretty good understanding of how well the Jazz are managing the team for the ultimate payers of the players (the fans).

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    Boozer is a better player than Amare and 20 Mill cheaper. He is better than Joe Johnson. You can make a case that he is better than Bosh.

    The problem with keeping Boozer was financial. If Boozer stayed then the Jazz would have to move AK at the deadline when 1/2 of the NBA will be trying to dump to get down before the new CBA and lock out next year.

    Keeping Boozer at 15-16 mill puts the Jazz in a situation where they could not get the players they need to make the team better for years. His injury history and his age made him a good investment for CHI in the short run but bad in the long run.

    The Jazz have to move away from the super star model. They can't play that game.

    They can carefully find players with a high WP48 who are ideal for the Sloan system at every position and max the team WP48.

    WP48 dictates team wins and playoff wins.

    Most teams do not pay much attention to WP48. They overpay to get "stars" who are not that efficient.

    Efficiency and defense win playoff games.

  • Doug10
    July 9, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    The article mentions Korver being too one dimensional, that is like stating a fact. Jazz seem to have figured that out.

    Glad to hear Boozer helped out the Jazz with the sign and trade as he did not need to. I was happy for him that he did not have to play for the Nets, the new owner seems to have fired everyone in the state if they were in any way connected to the franchise. New soviet ownership does not seem to be working yet.

    The Jazz fans complained too much about Boozers salary. There werre teams lined up for him during the FA season. ESPN analyst showed yesterday that Boozer was worth as much as Bosh or Amare and he said the Bulls got a steal for $80 million. Amare got $100 million and that is the caliber of player the Jazz had.

    Hats off to KOC as it seems the Jazz had a bargain in one of their elite players. Too bad about the negative pressure on Boozer. Yesterday he was asked again about Utah and all he had to say were good things. He seems much bigger than the little fans still critical of him.

  • JFFR
    July 9, 2010 8:16 a.m.

    What about TMAC?

  • Doug10
    July 9, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Matthews is so busy tilling for cash it is not funny. He has shown no loyalty to the Jazz. He visited Portland and has not even told them if he got an offer.

    The good treatment Matthews got from the Jazz needs to be acknowledged in some form, but Matthews seems impervious to this obvious fact. This treatment of teams by players is what caused Clevelands owner to lash out at a departing LBJ.

    It does not matter if you are the "king" or a starting SG on a smaller team there are courtesies that should be looked after and I am sad to say that Matthews is not acting with integrity that the Jazz thought he had.

    His behavior is more like a buck during the rut.

  • Nussdorfer AC
    July 9, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    Well, maybe this helps explain the bad karma that portland has.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 9, 2010 12:49 a.m.

    Bugoff you are brilliant. You are, I admit you bring me at times down to my knees. Are you Magnus?


    Right on, they knew Wes was replacing Matthews should have got this done. The Jazz have got to stop overpaying, I am honestly not that worried about losing Boozer, for once the right decision was made not to resign him. Even watching Augustine and Benson in Summer League I think one of these guys especially Benson could back up Paul

    If they sign Harrington, does Paul play #3 full time?

    Does CJ move to #2?

    Actually it is decent starting 4 if Okur comes back then you have Fes and Koustos if they develop and Kirilenko stays healthy (If) maybe there is hope for the Jazz, I would rather have Okafor though

    I would like comments on Harrington, I will refrain from comments on him because I have not seen him enough to be valid with my thoughts

  • Bugoff
    July 9, 2010 12:11 a.m.

    I am fairly sure the Jazz could have extended his rookie contract. He would have played last year for the minimum and then played the next 2-3 years for 1.5-3 mill or whatever they negotiated.

    That would not have raised the luxury tax for this year. He would have been locked up.

    Every rookie contract should include at least at team option for a second year.

  • Jazzman72
    July 8, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    Matthews is a nice player, but let Portland have him if they make him an insane offer. I think Portland just enjoys jerking the Jazz' chain. Their little free agent games may come back to bite them in the behind.

  • True Blue
    July 8, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    The Jazz WILL sign Matthews no matter what but no team is going to make any deal for him over 3 or 4 million. He's not worth that much right now.
    The Jazz just need to learn from the past. They could get by paying a lot less for their players if they make the first move at a reasonable price. Portland is just going to keep throwing ridiculous offers to restricted free agents from the Jazz because they know the Jazz will up it and they are smart enough to create that offer with just the right amount of ridiculousness without chancing actually having to pay that amount out of their own pockets.

  • Bugoff
    July 8, 2010 11:37 p.m.

    POR has 64 mill in salary listed for this season for 14 players (Hoopsworld).

    They would have to use their MLE or part of it. They really do not need Mathews. It looks like an agent ploy more than anything.

    However, they could trade an existing player to a cap team and get an exemption.

  • T-spoon
    July 8, 2010 11:11 p.m.

    It takes two to Tango. Matthews wants the most he can get, so he isn't going to sign the first 2 million dollar contract the Jazz push his way. The Jazz most certainly have already talked to him about offers, but Matthews isn't going to sign until he gets the most out of it. That isn't the fault of the front office.

    Last year the Jazz were in the Luxury tax. Signing Matthews last year to a bigger contract would have added to that tax, no? Or am I missing something there?

    Millsap is getting paid 6.2 million this year. He is a steal.

    Portland has no cap space this summer. They won't be front-loading a contract to Matthews this time. Pay no heed to Portland Trail Blazer; he is just blowing smoke.

  • totenkopf
    July 8, 2010 10:35 p.m.

    Don't match. Let Portland pay luxtax and they will learn how to not mess with others. Matt good player no question but he is expandable.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 8, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Rudy Fernandez does not want to play for Portland because it's a small market! So why in thw world would he wan to play in Utah/SLC??? He wouldn't, he wants to play in a big market or head back to Europe where he can become a big name again.

  • yankee doodle
    July 8, 2010 9:28 p.m.

    So I guess the Jail Blazers name is out(but you really didn't have to go on a 20 page rant about it though guy) Well I got a new name then, the "Fail Blazers". yep I like it.

  • TrueFan
    July 8, 2010 9:25 p.m.

    The Jazz will match any offer for Matthews. Because he's a second year player, I believe the league rules state that the most Portland can throw at Wesley is something just a bit above 5 million. The Jazz will pay that much, if necessary, no questions asked, for a player they are anticipating being a starter for them next season. Make your best offer Portland...or whoever else...the Jazz WILL match. They matched Miles, and Millsap. They will match for Matthews as well.

  • Bugoff
    July 8, 2010 9:24 p.m.

    The Jazz front office is really at fault on this. They should have contracted Mathews before they traded Brewer.

    They knew they were going to replace Brewer with Mathews. They could have easily signed him for cheap.

    Instead they started and developed him to the point where they begged other teams to mess with them. They pulled the same stunt with Fes. Their policy of using the open market to determine the price of their players is DUMB.

    They have a hard time getting and keeping quality players. Why triple the price of a player you know you are going to sign by waiting to see what the market is going to pay?

    The Jazz are a slow learning organization. They insist on making the same mistakes over and over. They got bit hard on Millsap and learned nothing.

    Why are the Jazz so incapable of making changes in the way the do business? Especially when their ways are detrimental.

    There are much better GMs out there. Sloan is also replaceable. The Jazz had better get people who can adjust to the changes in the NBA. They are about to lose the few good players they get.

  • RobSing
    July 8, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    jazz are heading to the dumps quicker than cleveland. think deron will hold a press conference to announce his new team in 2012?

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 8, 2010 9:18 p.m.

    Portland would be stupid to sign Mathews. The Jazz will match what ever offer they come with. If the Jazz do not choose to match, we would still be okay in pursing other shooting guards. The Jazz suddenly have options with the trade exceptions.20 million worth with CB,RB,MH contracts that need to be used with in the year. We have the cap room to pull off some good moves. If KOC can pull something off here I will be his biggest advocate. He has shown me that he knows what he is doing so far. I cant lie I have been doubting his skills as a GM, but it looks like he really has some tricks up his sleeve this year.Just like what Frank Ladden says"If you listen to the fans, next thing you know you will be sitting next to them".GO JAZZ!!

  • Johnson72
    July 8, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    I hope he does sign with Portland.. It would be for the best intrest for his career.

  • Captain L
    July 8, 2010 9:13 p.m.

    Re Portland Trail Blazers: It sounds like you don't like it when someone bad mouths your organization and players. Especially when it isn't true.
    Keep that in mind as you post all your negative, critical comments about the Jazz and their players.

  • Captain L
    July 8, 2010 9:07 p.m.

    I hope the Jazz resign Mathews, I love his hustle, guts and competitive spirit. He should improve and that makes him someone we should keep. That said , if Portland offers him a contract we don't like or don't want to match, maybe we could trade with Portland and get Rudy Fernandez, I really like his game and I know he wants out of Portland.

  • md
    July 8, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Who cares about Portland. They will always implode.

  • Bugoff
    July 8, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    Mathews is easier to replace than Millsap was and a whole lot less indispensible. He is a sentimental favorite of many fans and a great story but he is not an average starting SG yet. He should get much better if he continues to get playing time.

    The Jazz have to have wings who can shoot who play most of the minutes. That is more true with Boozer gone.

    If the Jazz let POR get him with a posion pill like they used on Millsap then Mathews better watch his back as he is likely to be used as trade fodder.

    POR does not really need him.

    It think the agents use POR to jack up the price for Utah. Utah should let POR over pay a time or 2 and it will stop.

  • The Great Houdini
    July 8, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    I really like Matthews but lets not overpay,anyway where would he play? 5 minutes a game backing up Roy?

  • flex
    July 8, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    I hate Portland!!!....

  • byronbca
    July 8, 2010 8:33 p.m.

    With the $13 mil worth of trade exceptions the Jazz now have, it makes it more risky for a team like Portland to try and force Utah to overpay for a player.

    If Portland offers Mathews a $5.5 mil deal for the sole purpose of hurting the Jazz, it’s going to backfire. I expect that an offer of around $4 mil is most likely, and the Jazz would match that gladly.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 8, 2010 8:21 p.m.

    Dear LKA,

    Jail Blazers? Really?

    That was about what, 8 years ago?

    Oh boy, let me tell ya, Andre Miller, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Nicolas Batum, Rudy Fernandez, Jerryd Bayless, Marcus Camby, Joel Przybilla, Luke Babbit, Cunningham, Jeff P, are all such THUGS (sarcasm).

    Wow I really cannot believe you are really using the Jail Blazers card... If you know anything or even follow the NBA you would know that the Jail Blazers name was around when Portland HAD Damion Stoudemire, Zach Randolph, Rasheed Wallace and others. All those guys do not even play for Portland anymore... Get your facts straight before you say something to boost your own self worth.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 8, 2010 8:10 p.m.

    YES!!!! Bring him to PDX!!

  • JazzyMan
    July 8, 2010 7:48 p.m.

    Portland obviously knows that alot of pressure is on O'Conner to not let Mathews get away and sign him or someone else to at least appear that he's trying to help the Jazz improve. I hope the Jazz don't fall for matching an overloaded contract that portland puts on the table for Mathews.Right now we shoudn't panic and make mistakes like we did with Kirilenko's contract.I'd like to see Portland bite the dust for what is seeming to be their habit of being a Jazz antagonist. I know every Jazzfan including myself wants a title ,but lets not overpay with any of these rediculous contracts like these other teams have done.

  • T-spoon
    July 8, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    The Blazers are more over the salary cap than the Jazz and still need to sign several players. They would be foolish to offer him more than 3 million, especially since they already have 2 shooting guards.

  • LKA
    July 8, 2010 7:00 p.m.

    Jailblazers are poison. What goes around comes around. Teams will look to stick it to them..