Millsap is actually a bargain now, due to the frontloading.Jazz
would really be in good shape capwise had they drafted WM in the 2nd round, oh
well.I think the Blazers were hoping to get Sap, they couldn't have
been sure the Jazz would match something that big, based on all prior statements
about the luxury tax from Larry Miller.I think the Jazz will go the
full MLE match on WM. Too much, but losing a player of value you got as an UDFA
to a division rival...too much of an intangible loss.
Hi All. I'm not trying to be a troll. Just interested in following the WM story
and getting a SLC perspective. For what it's worth (which may be nothing to
you, hehehe), it seems the Blazers do have a bona fide interest in WM. The
Blazers see him as one of the best young SGs potentially available at a
reasonable price.Some of this has already been hashed out, but FYI
they are over the cap and only have the MLE available. The current roster
includes only the following guards: BRoy, Andre Miller (not likely to be around
past this season, and highly likely trade bait before then), Rudy Fernandez
(rumored to have already played his last game as a Blazer), and Jerryd Bayless
(as well as some scrubs and rookies not worth mentioning).In short,
WM is of real interest to the Blazers, i.e. this is not Millsap v2.0. This
doesn't mean the Blazers have any chance of signing him away from the Jazz, but
just thought I would clarify that they do have real interest...
Sure way to field a losing team: Overload it with average players with above
average salaries. They are already well into that category.
re: bugoff"They could have easily signed him for cheap.Instead they started and developed him to the point where they begged other
teams to mess with them. They pulled the same stunt with Fes. Their policy of
using the open market to determine the price of their players is DUMB.They have a hard time getting and keeping quality players. Why triple the
price of a player you know you are going to sign by waiting to see what the
market is going to pay?"You are just wrong on all this.Did we pay triple what millsap was worht?You have zero credibility
with that assertion.
Jazz could not extend WM as he was undrafted FA. Terrible mistake not taking
him in the 2nd round instead of that stiff who got cut in camp else he'd be
locked up cheap, but how were they to know WM could play. I guess. They did
consider taking him. Oops.I believe that as long as the Jazz
haven't touched ANY of their MLE the most any team can offer WM is that amount.
Elsewise they can go above that and the Jazz cannot. Rules are different for
every way a player was acquired.Blolazers don't need him and are
capped out, total agent ploy, WM will be back albeit not for pennies.WM shot .483/.382/.829/2025MP last season. Compare to CJ's
If i were Matthews I'll take the less money out of utah than the overpaid money
of Portland (maybe 6mill), I mean in the Blazer he will be coming off the bench
and get less minutes, he wont replace Roy, But in utah he'll get the chance to
be in the starting 5 with more minutes and devolepe into a great player in sloan
system and get the money in the future.But I hate the fact that the Jazz
always wait for other team show their player the money instead of them extendig
the contract first, yeas I'm talking about the Millsap case!
I've wondered why the Jazz did not extend Matthews contract before he became a
starter as well and I may have come up with a posible reason. Sometimes in
business using your inside knowledge to save alittle on a deal is not best in
the long run. If the Jazz had used the knowledge that they were trading Brewer
it may have built distrust when dealing with this agent in the future. Save a
million on Matthews but not even have a chance at another player in the future.
Just a posible reason.
I have to respectfully disagree with Rick -- the Jazz won't resign Wes Matthews
AT ANY COST.I think they would "like" to sign Matthews for around
$2.7M/yr for 3-4 years (with the last year being a Team Option), and would
probably be willing to go as high as $3.8-3.9M, but if the Blazers (or anyone
else) offer him a front-end loaded contract that averages to, say, $6.5M/yr for
5 years, the Jazz would pass on that without thinking twice (and rightly so).
portland trail blazers, i agree with you. paul allen does have deep pockets and
if he chooses too will offer matthews some pretty good money. i don't think the
jazz should match. on the contrary, they should find another 1st year player and
mold him like they did matthews. sloan's squad is good at making shooting guards
"look" better than what they actually are.at $13 mil, we should have
more than enough to bring a good shooting guard and a decent pf.come
on o'conner, earn your paycheck for once! let's see a few more s&t's!i was reading in a different forum that new orleans is trying to clear up some
cap space...meaning, they would possibly be willing to trade okafor. at 6'10"
and 255, he's a good sized dude that moves pretty good and is only 27.
WES will be signed by MILLER at any cost.A player like WES comes along every 5
years.This 21 year old undrafter player was taking charges vrs. MELO & KOBE in
the playoffs & even some calls went against him because he's a rookie.The Sky's
the limit for this young man.Wes has a huge body for his height, wide shoulders
& big chest to play tuff D...Utah will NEVER let this haed working kid leave SLC
no matter what.....WES will get a 5 year deal soon to stay in
POR's owner, Paul Allen and has deep pockets. They do not care if they are over
the lux tax, trust me. Out of all the small markets, Portland is the
richest and is the one who least worries about money.
Todd Thanks for the encouragement. You come up with very
interesting information and perspectives which I appreciate.There
are others on here who know a lot more about basketball than I ever will. I
consider myself to be a student. I often make comments from only one perspective
without considering the other camera angles. Overall, with the
spectrum of opinions on this forum you can get a pretty good understanding of
how well the Jazz are managing the team for the ultimate payers of the players
Boozer is a better player than Amare and 20 Mill cheaper. He is better than Joe
Johnson. You can make a case that he is better than Bosh. The
problem with keeping Boozer was financial. If Boozer stayed then the Jazz would
have to move AK at the deadline when 1/2 of the NBA will be trying to dump to
get down before the new CBA and lock out next year.Keeping Boozer at
15-16 mill puts the Jazz in a situation where they could not get the players
they need to make the team better for years. His injury history and his age made
him a good investment for CHI in the short run but bad in the long run. The Jazz have to move away from the super star model. They can't play
that game. They can carefully find players with a high WP48 who are
ideal for the Sloan system at every position and max the team WP48. WP48 dictates team wins and playoff wins. Most teams do not pay
much attention to WP48. They overpay to get "stars" who are not that efficient.
Efficiency and defense win playoff games.
The article mentions Korver being too one dimensional, that is like stating a
fact. Jazz seem to have figured that out.Glad to hear Boozer helped
out the Jazz with the sign and trade as he did not need to. I was happy for him
that he did not have to play for the Nets, the new owner seems to have fired
everyone in the state if they were in any way connected to the franchise. New
soviet ownership does not seem to be working yet.The Jazz fans
complained too much about Boozers salary. There werre teams lined up for him
during the FA season. ESPN analyst showed yesterday that Boozer was worth as
much as Bosh or Amare and he said the Bulls got a steal for $80 million. Amare
got $100 million and that is the caliber of player the Jazz had.Hats
off to KOC as it seems the Jazz had a bargain in one of their elite players.
Too bad about the negative pressure on Boozer. Yesterday he was asked again
about Utah and all he had to say were good things. He seems much bigger than
the little fans still critical of him.
What about TMAC?
Matthews is so busy tilling for cash it is not funny. He has shown no loyalty
to the Jazz. He visited Portland and has not even told them if he got an offer.
The good treatment Matthews got from the Jazz needs to be
acknowledged in some form, but Matthews seems impervious to this obvious fact.
This treatment of teams by players is what caused Clevelands owner to lash out
at a departing LBJ.It does not matter if you are the "king" or a
starting SG on a smaller team there are courtesies that should be looked after
and I am sad to say that Matthews is not acting with integrity that the Jazz
thought he had.His behavior is more like a buck during the rut.
Well, maybe this helps explain the bad karma that portland has.
Bugoff you are brilliant. You are, I admit you bring me at times down to my
knees. Are you Magnus?Kidding..Right on, they knew Wes
was replacing Matthews should have got this done. The Jazz have got to stop
overpaying, I am honestly not that worried about losing Boozer, for once the
right decision was made not to resign him. Even watching Augustine and Benson
in Summer League I think one of these guys especially Benson could back up
PaulIf they sign Harrington, does Paul play #3 full time?Does CJ move to #2?Actually it is decent starting 4 if Okur comes
back then you have Fes and Koustos if they develop and Kirilenko stays healthy
(If) maybe there is hope for the Jazz, I would rather have Okafor thoughI would like comments on Harrington, I will refrain from comments on him
because I have not seen him enough to be valid with my thoughts
I am fairly sure the Jazz could have extended his rookie contract. He would have
played last year for the minimum and then played the next 2-3 years for 1.5-3
mill or whatever they negotiated. That would not have raised the
luxury tax for this year. He would have been locked up. Every rookie
contract should include at least at team option for a second year.
Matthews is a nice player, but let Portland have him if they make him an insane
offer. I think Portland just enjoys jerking the Jazz' chain. Their little free
agent games may come back to bite them in the behind.
The Jazz WILL sign Matthews no matter what but no team is going to make any deal
for him over 3 or 4 million. He's not worth that much right now. The Jazz
just need to learn from the past. They could get by paying a lot less for their
players if they make the first move at a reasonable price. Portland is just
going to keep throwing ridiculous offers to restricted free agents from the Jazz
because they know the Jazz will up it and they are smart enough to create that
offer with just the right amount of ridiculousness without chancing actually
having to pay that amount out of their own pockets.
POR has 64 mill in salary listed for this season for 14 players (Hoopsworld).
They would have to use their MLE or part of it. They really do not
need Mathews. It looks like an agent ploy more than anything. However, they could trade an existing player to a cap team and get an
It takes two to Tango. Matthews wants the most he can get, so he isn't going to
sign the first 2 million dollar contract the Jazz push his way. The Jazz most
certainly have already talked to him about offers, but Matthews isn't going to
sign until he gets the most out of it. That isn't the fault of the front
office.Last year the Jazz were in the Luxury tax. Signing Matthews
last year to a bigger contract would have added to that tax, no? Or am I
missing something there?Millsap is getting paid 6.2 million this
year. He is a steal. Portland has no cap space this summer. They
won't be front-loading a contract to Matthews this time. Pay no heed to
Portland Trail Blazer; he is just blowing smoke.
Don't match. Let Portland pay luxtax and they will learn how to not mess with
others. Matt good player no question but he is expandable.
Rudy Fernandez does not want to play for Portland because it's a small market!
So why in thw world would he wan to play in Utah/SLC??? He wouldn't, he wants to
play in a big market or head back to Europe where he can become a big name
So I guess the Jail Blazers name is out(but you really didn't have to go on a 20
page rant about it though guy) Well I got a new name then, the "Fail Blazers".
yep I like it.
The Jazz will match any offer for Matthews. Because he's a second year player, I
believe the league rules state that the most Portland can throw at Wesley is
something just a bit above 5 million. The Jazz will pay that much, if necessary,
no questions asked, for a player they are anticipating being a starter for them
next season. Make your best offer Portland...or whoever else...the Jazz WILL
match. They matched Miles, and Millsap. They will match for Matthews as well.
The Jazz front office is really at fault on this. They should have contracted
Mathews before they traded Brewer. They knew they were going to
replace Brewer with Mathews. They could have easily signed him for cheap. Instead they started and developed him to the point where they begged
other teams to mess with them. They pulled the same stunt with Fes. Their policy
of using the open market to determine the price of their players is DUMB. They have a hard time getting and keeping quality players. Why triple
the price of a player you know you are going to sign by waiting to see what the
market is going to pay? The Jazz are a slow learning organization.
They insist on making the same mistakes over and over. They got bit hard on
Millsap and learned nothing. Why are the Jazz so incapable of making
changes in the way the do business? Especially when their ways are
detrimental.There are much better GMs out there. Sloan is also
replaceable. The Jazz had better get people who can adjust to the changes in the
NBA. They are about to lose the few good players they get.
jazz are heading to the dumps quicker than cleveland. think deron will hold a
press conference to announce his new team in 2012?
Portland would be stupid to sign Mathews. The Jazz will match what ever offer
they come with. If the Jazz do not choose to match, we would still be okay in
pursing other shooting guards. The Jazz suddenly have options with the trade
exceptions.20 million worth with CB,RB,MH contracts that need to be used with in
the year. We have the cap room to pull off some good moves. If KOC can pull
something off here I will be his biggest advocate. He has shown me that he knows
what he is doing so far. I cant lie I have been doubting his skills as a GM, but
it looks like he really has some tricks up his sleeve this year.Just like what
Frank Ladden says"If you listen to the fans, next thing you know you will be
sitting next to them".GO JAZZ!!
I hope he does sign with Portland.. It would be for the best intrest for his
Re Portland Trail Blazers: It sounds like you don't like it when someone bad
mouths your organization and players. Especially when it isn't true. Keep
that in mind as you post all your negative, critical comments about the Jazz and
I hope the Jazz resign Mathews, I love his hustle, guts and competitive spirit.
He should improve and that makes him someone we should keep. That said , if
Portland offers him a contract we don't like or don't want to match, maybe we
could trade with Portland and get Rudy Fernandez, I really like his game and I
know he wants out of Portland.
Who cares about Portland. They will always implode.
Mathews is easier to replace than Millsap was and a whole lot less
indispensible. He is a sentimental favorite of many fans and a great story but
he is not an average starting SG yet. He should get much better if he continues
to get playing time. The Jazz have to have wings who can shoot who
play most of the minutes. That is more true with Boozer gone. If the
Jazz let POR get him with a posion pill like they used on Millsap then Mathews
better watch his back as he is likely to be used as trade fodder. POR does not really need him. It think the agents use POR to jack
up the price for Utah. Utah should let POR over pay a time or 2 and it will
I really like Matthews but lets not overpay,anyway where would he play? 5
minutes a game backing up Roy?
I hate Portland!!!....
With the $13 mil worth of trade exceptions the Jazz now have, it makes it more
risky for a team like Portland to try and force Utah to overpay for a player.If Portland offers Mathews a $5.5 mil deal for the sole purpose of
hurting the Jazz, it’s going to backfire. I expect that an offer of around
$4 mil is most likely, and the Jazz would match that gladly.
Dear LKA,Jail Blazers? Really? That was about what, 8
years ago? Oh boy, let me tell ya, Andre Miller, Brandon Roy,
LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Nicolas Batum, Rudy Fernandez, Jerryd Bayless,
Marcus Camby, Joel Przybilla, Luke Babbit, Cunningham, Jeff P, are all such
THUGS (sarcasm). Wow I really cannot believe you are really using
the Jail Blazers card... If you know anything or even follow the NBA you would
know that the Jail Blazers name was around when Portland HAD Damion Stoudemire,
Zach Randolph, Rasheed Wallace and others. All those guys do not even play for
Portland anymore... Get your facts straight before you say something to boost
your own self worth.
YES!!!! Bring him to PDX!!
Portland obviously knows that alot of pressure is on O'Conner to not let
Mathews get away and sign him or someone else to at least appear that he's
trying to help the Jazz improve. I hope the Jazz don't fall for matching an
overloaded contract that portland puts on the table for Mathews.Right now we
shoudn't panic and make mistakes like we did with Kirilenko's contract.I'd like
to see Portland bite the dust for what is seeming to be their habit of being a
Jazz antagonist. I know every Jazzfan including myself wants a title ,but lets
not overpay with any of these rediculous contracts like these other teams have
The Blazers are more over the salary cap than the Jazz and still need to sign
several players. They would be foolish to offer him more than 3 million,
especially since they already have 2 shooting guards.
Jailblazers are poison. What goes around comes around. Teams will look to stick
it to them..