Utah Jazz: Magic may make move for Carlos Boozer

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  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 11:18 p.m.

    Beidrins had some injury problems last year but is normally at least an average C. He may be better than Gortat. Gortat is 3 Mill cheaper.

    Korver is likely gone. The Jazz did inquire about Morrow who is now restricted.

    Josh Boone might be worth a look especially since Favors in now at NJ.

    A lot of teams are talking about Lee since he is cheaper and less injury prone than Boozer or Stoudemire.

    If Ben Wallace would play for 1 year he might be great at C for 10 minutes at a time. He has the highest WP48 of all of the FA C/PFs except for Lee.

    Wallace played 28+ minutes last year with DET. Maybe he can still play. Ben only got 1.3 Mill last year. Offer him 2-3 Mill and see if he would take it?

    Utah should improve with Wallace at C.

    DET is going nowhere.

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 11:13 p.m.

    Beidrins had some injury problems last year but is normally at least an average C. He may be better than Gortat. Gortat is 3 Mill cheaper.

    Korver is likely gone. The Jazz did inquire about Morrow who is now restricted.

    Josh Boone might be worth a look especially since Favors in now at NJ.

    A lot of teams are talking about Lee since he is cheaper and less injury prone than Boozer or Stoudemire.

    If Ben Wallace would play for 1 year he might be great at C for 10 minutes at a time. He has the highest WP48 of all of the FA C/PFs except for Lee.

    Wallace played 28+ minutes last year with DET. Maybe he can still play. Ben only got 1.3 Mill last year. Offer him 2-3 Mill and see if he would take it?

    Utah should improve with Wallace at C.

    DET is going nowhere.

  • CougarKeith
    July 1, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Let anyone have him, I am tired of him crying all the time, should have dumped him last year!!! Who needs a whining baby who complains all the time.

  • Bill L
    July 1, 2010 8:49 p.m.

    Let Boozer go where ever. I Hope NJ gets skunked on DW, LBJ & Bosch. They may then not want any of the lesser 4s to cut into Favors PT and with no LBJ or Gay and no JJ, no quality 3 or 2 available. They would probably have a great need for a short term 3/4. I would like a 3 way with GS who are dumping salary to send future pick(NJ's) to GS and AK to NJ with Biedrins coming to UTAH. Biedrins has 4 years left @ 9M/yr and is a quality 5. This would let Okur spend more time at the 4.

  • Captain L
    July 1, 2010 5:53 p.m.

    I think the Jazz are waiting to see what happens with Boozer, I know they would like to keep him (not a good idea) but also they might be able to get a couple of good players in a sign and trade.
    I would love to see the Jazz do a sign and trade with Orlando and get Gortat, Bass, or Anderson and a wing like Redick , Pietrus, or Barnes.
    With a new CBA coming next year, it may be wiser to just let Booz go and not take on any salaries, play with the players we have, lose AK's contract next year and see if we can't be major players when teams get in trouble because they have over paid this year. There could be alot of players being dumped because the new CBA could create problems for alot of teams.
    Tomic could be brought over next year, sign AK to a reasonable contract, develop Fes and KK & Hayward and we could be in good shape.

  • jcrotty25
    July 1, 2010 4:54 p.m.

    we shoulda signed Drew Gooden 5 years 32 million and he is 6'10 taller then boozer aaaaand waaaay cheaper and can score on the block very underated player imo.... then add a couple more FA like Turioff and or brad miller and or Hakeem Warrick... and or brendon Hayward so what im saying is that having Gooden and one or two of these other guys will make our team alot better so potentially i think we could have Gooden and two other players !!!!!!!!!!!!!!for the same money as Boozer ill take that any day we shoulda just done that and let him walk efff giving him a max and trading him bc we can give him more money i wouldnt give him the pleasure

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 1, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    Dirk, J-Kidd are not stars? Wow, I rally hope you're joking...

    They are both future hall of famer players.

    I cannot believe you said that haha

  • theholdup
    July 1, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    Only way Utah gets a chapionship is thru a great playere taken in the draft, example Malone, stockton, duncan, robinson, williams all great players on small market teams and they were aquired thru the draft. Big name players do not come to Utah when they can go to LA, New york, Boston, Miami. My suggestion be happy we not only have a team but a consistant winning team, 2/3rds of the NBA would like that. If we lose the Jazz or they go broke we can all become Denver Nugget fans just like all the Bronco fans here in Utah.
    Be Happy, Enjoy what we have...leave Miller, O'conner and SLoan to do their job, have a competitive team in Utah. Look at Dallas all that money and no championship, no stars

  • The Final Word
    July 1, 2010 3:19 p.m.


    "I think The Jazz need a Center that can Rebound and pass the ball like Amare the problem with him is he is a great perimeter shooter but I look for the Jazz to go after Amare to give us a more defensive presence."

    This is a joke right? You are just trying to say something controversial to stir things up, right? Because you can't be serious with statements like these.

    Boozer rebounds as well as Stoudemire or better--check the stats. Boozer is now, and essentially has to be a pretty good passer, to survive in the Jazz system. The Jazz lead the league in assists FROM PASSING MORE THAN OTHER TEAMS. Boozer is not an awesome passer but certainly as good as Stoudemire.

    Amare is a great perimeter shooter? What planet are you from? Boozer is a better jump shooter then Stoudemire. Boozer shot over 56% last season and Stoudemire shot just under that?

    Stoudemire? Defensive presence? HA! He is worse than Boozer or certainly as bad!!

    Well not to bad...you were wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

    Never mind...you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 3:13 p.m.

    Anderson is good IF you can get him. Murphy is an expiring contract nest summer and does not hurt anything.

    WP48 is winscore adjusted for 48 minutes. Winscore is a formula that accurately predicts the number of win each player contributes from thier box scores. The higher the winscore the more contribution to team wins over the regular season. It can also be adjusted for position so guards (who rebound less) can be compared with Cs. I usually just site the WP48s that are not adjusted for position.

    Teams with high WP48s tend to beat teams with low WP48s. If you get a team (collective of the best 9 players or so) with a very high WP48 you get a playoff contender.

    GMs over pay for scoring not necessarily WP48. That means if you are careful you can put together a contender and pay low lux tax.

    The Jazz can over come the "small market" problems by maxing WP48 and create a contender.

    Blauch and Jazz Source are right. DET and other teams will be posturing to get under the new CBA by Christmas.

    That is a major reason why I do not want Boozer signed to Utah.

  • blauch
    July 1, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    I don't think it is going to happen - I said it was a pipe dream.

    Detroit wouldn't get Boozer, just cap space (Carter and AK expiring contract). They pretty much Detroit would do what Washington did last season. Washington traded all their contracts for cap space - they lost a lot of games and got John Wall, and now once they find a team to take Arenas Salary, they are going to build a young team.

    Detroit is going to trade a big portion of their roster for this year for cap space. Just watch. I don't think they will give up Monroe. I said it was a pipe dream

    As far as money.

    AK is signed by Detroit and bought out and the Jazz resign him for under 1 million (just like what Washington did last year

    So Even with
    Charlie V
    AK (bought out and resigned for 1 million)
    The salary equal under 60 million

    The Jazz can easily get under are under the Luxury Tax.

  • utes13-0
    July 1, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    Barnes is a free agent along with Reddick

  • dhsalum
    July 1, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    blauch-- Sorry but thats crazy. Detroit wouldnt give up all that for boozer and the jazz couldnt take on that much money. And its Hayward by the way. Not Haywood.

    I'm in favor of the sign-n-trade for Gortat and Pietrus/Redick. Fills big needs for both teams.

    July 1, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    This is nerve racking... I wanna know what KOC has up his sleeve if he does have anything at all... We need to get somebody before we lose D Will too... Come on Jazz, Do this for the Fans!!

  • Large Tuna
    July 1, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    @Doug 10: I was just commenting on a scenario that someone else mentioned, take it easy.

    I guess I forgot that you've never posted your opinions on these boards before, my bad. Maybe they haven't called me yet because they're too busy talking to YOU on the phone? Chill out.

  • Big_Ben
    July 1, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    I would argue that there is only one player in the NBA worth the Max money, and he plays ball in Los angeles. But, I am also not trying to fill my stadium every night.

  • Thriller
    July 1, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    Bugoff, I'm as big a Jazz fan as the next guy but man, you really need a hobby.

    Sign and trade with ORL with the Jazz getting Gortat and Pietrus or Reddick.

  • Rick
    July 1, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    The Utah Jazz are one of the softest teams in the NBA..They don't even get in an oppossing players face when a teammate is decked by a hard or flagrant foul (creampuffs) ! where is that tuffness sloan has taught ??? a coach that knows basketball, knows you don't win playoff road games without tuff physical veterans to lead the way.Since Raja Bell has left, this team has a huge void & its called a heart.D-Will is showing his emotions more & more on the floor, that just might be frustration more than anything else ??? LA brought in Ron Artest because he was a torn in Kobe's side for his tuff play.LA let a real good player leave for the Rockets to bring tuffness to the team.Now LA is talking about signing Raja Bell !!! NO TEAM EVER WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT THE MUCKERS,PLAYERS THAT WILL GET DIRTY & PLAY WITH AN EDGE & DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET TO THE NEXT ROUND (Rodman, Bowen, Horry)....Sign & trade for Barnes & steal Raja from LA..This will never happen because they don't have sloans "look" for a typical Jazz player

  • chrisseey1284
    July 1, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    If we do lose Boozer to another team which probably might happen. I think The Jazz need a Center that can Rebound and pass the ball like Amare the problem with him is he is a great perimeter shooter but I look for the Jazz to go after Amare to give us a more defensive presence.

  • Jazz Source
    July 1, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    The upcoming collective bargaining agreement (CBA) is going to blow a hole in these teams after the inevitable happens. The owners are going to lock out the players and bring them to their knees which means salary cap, salaries, and contract lengths are all going to go DOWN!!

    When that happens these teams who are signing these guys, who are not really max players, to max deals are going to be financially strapped.

    Ask the Twolves for an example of how that goes and they will tell you how well they were able to put a roster together after signing Garnet to a $126 million dollar deal.

    Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, Stoudemire and others are ALL NOT max players. None of them can carry a team like Kobe and LeBron.

    Stoudemires defense is as bad or worse than Boozers! Joe Johnson is impressive but not even in the same breath as LeBron or Kobe so why are they paying him like it? These teams will be regretting these deals in 3 years when they start losing the Horfords/supporting cast players because they put all the eggs in one basket.

    Jazz look to be preparing for the CBA.

    Gortat please.

  • Boozer Bandwagon
    July 1, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    Next year worries me a bit especially if we don't resign Boozer. He's not the problem, we just need someone who can guard Gasol. Currently Fesenko is our best counter for that and Kosta Koufus struggles defensively against playoff teams. I know Boozer missed 28% of his games but last year it was about 1/3 (33%) so it has improved. I don't see Gortat or David Lee being a better fit for the Jazz.

  • byronbca
    July 1, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    All this replacing Boozer with another PF talk on these message boards is driving me nuts. Center people, the Jazz need a Center.

    Even if Boozer leaves, the absolute last thing the Jazz need is another PF, right now it’s their 2nd best position. The Jazz already have 2 very good PFs in Milsap and AK while right now on day one our best center is Fess. This deal with Orlando is about Boozer for Gortat, and nobody else, and it’s the best option available for the Jazz.

    If the Jazz can pull off this trade, I honestly believe that the Jazz could be better this year than they were last year. This trade exception thing could really come in handy.

  • owlmaster2
    July 1, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    So long Boozer-- wonder how many minutes he'll play in another uniform before he is "injured".
    Fragile Boozer.. or is that Lazy????

  • Civil
    July 1, 2010 9:58 a.m.

    Bugoff, what is wp?

  • blauch
    July 1, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Boozer played 41 minutes a games in the Jazz uniform in the playoffs, so clearly they want him back. But unlike Johnson - who did receive a max offer form Atlanta - Utah did not give him a max offer. So the game continues. We will see if another team gives Boozer max money - if not he will probably be back.

    Here is my pipe dream:
    The Jazz Sign and trade Boozer for Carter's expiring contract and then trades Okur for Gortot.

    The Jazz then have 36 million in expiring contract. Now the Jazz have to be patient. Because by the tradeline a team will be looking to shed some major salaries. Last season Washington trade Jamison, Butler, Haywood, Stevenson for expiring contracts of Howard, Big Z and Gooden

    An Example
    Detroit might might just trade Hamilton or Gordon, Prince, Charlie V for expiring contract (Jazz force them to add Monroe)

    Williams, Price
    Hamilton, Matthews, CJ
    AK, Price, Haywood
    Millsap, Charlie V
    Gortot, Monroe

    I don't know what team would do it but New Orleans, Phili, GS, Detroit, Clippers all might do it It is just a good possession to be in plus the Jazz could get AK back

  • jcrotty25
    July 1, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    why do you keep talking about troy murphy he is on the downside ...... especially when we could aquire a young troy murphy for waaaaaaaaay less his name is Ryan Anderson via orlando ... i think if we could get B. Bass Gortot and R. Anderson for Boozer we would fill all our holes and be a better team vs. the Lakers

  • Jazz-Nation
    July 1, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    I like the idea of Barnes and Gortat via sign and trade. Barnes is a defensive banger and he can hit outside shots.

    Any sign and trade would be nice.

    With Free agency opening today it feels like Christmas, but as a Jazz fan we are hoping that we do not just end up with a lump of coal!

    GO JAZZ!!!

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    Resigning Boozer can get the Jazz past the Okur injury. They will play him mostly at C and Millsap at PF. It is an expensive short run solution that might get them into the 7th, 8th seed.

    At this point they do not know if they are going to get anything out of Okur in the future. Boozer might get them by until Okur's contract expires. But then Boozer will be hurt (maybe sooner) or start to decline in production.

    If the Jazz do not resign Boozer they have to get more outside shooting and more rebounding to replace his scoring and rebounding.

    Hayward is an AK replacement in a year or 2 not a Korver replacement for next year. The Jazz are .500 without Korver but with Boozer.

    With or without Boozer the Jazz have to have more outside shooting or the paint will be packed. Signing Boozer prevents that getting the shooting.

    Let Boozer go and get more outside shooting, get a rebounder or maybe Fes/Koufos step up. Both can rebound.

    Ideal would be to exchange (maybe indirectly) Boozer for the PF or C of the future and add some shooting.

  • Big_Ben
    July 1, 2010 9:16 a.m.

    Here is my opinion as to what the jazz should do. Frankly, i believe this is what they are currently doing, otherwise we would have heard about a michael beasley rumor.

    I think they just stand still. I think there are several reasons for this:

    1. They are good at it, its what they do every year.

    2. Ak's salary comes off the books this year. Additionally, we can get free of Cj's Deal as well and have some money next year.

    3. There is going to be a lockout next year and the salary cap (and player salaries) are going to come down next year.

    4. There are going to be a LOT of teams in serious financial trouble if that happens. The Jazz will be able to help other teams by taking on some contracts. They wont do it for free, we will be well compensated for our help.

    I think that has to be the plan. With or without boozer, we aren't a real threat to win this year. I think the team should look long term this offeason.

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 1, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    Rumors are that Portland will put an offer on Wesley Matthews soon, since Webster left POR, POR has coveted MAtthews, they might put millons on him and will see if Utah matches, again.

  • jefff
    July 1, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    jazz bought a greek bond... and i still figure Kosta Koufos as a good prospect

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    July 1, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    I would take Gortat or Lee for Boozer. First choice would be Gortat.

    Millsap and AK will be fine at PF. If we had a decent center we would have a better chance against LA than if we keep Boozer.

    I don't understand why the Jazz management want Boozer back so badly. It's not the end of the world if he leaves. I guess it just makes them have to be creative and do something new which is not the Jazz' forte

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    Boozer will get close to 16 mill in a max deal. If the Jazz do nothing but get a trade exemption for him and are able to pick up a player like Murphy for 11-12 mill they will have done themselves a big favor.

    If they can use the TE to get a younger cheaper PF or C who is ideal for the Sloan flex they will be building a championship team.

    Paying Boozer 22-23 mill in year 6 of a max deal is not very bright. I understand those who fear losing Boozer creates a hole but giving him a max is like buying Greek bonds. You know you are going to lose it is just a question of how soon.

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    Actually trading Boozer for Lee is not as bad as signing Boozer to a max and keeping him. However, neither Lee nor Boozer are the PF that the Jazz need to beat LA.

    Why would NY sign and trade Lee (who will make 4-5 mill less than Boozer) for Boozer? If they want Boozer they will just keep Lee and add Boozer. Both can play C and PF.

    Lee is most likely to go to NY, NJ or PHO.

  • Observation-ist
    July 1, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    I have an idea. Are you listening (virtually - reading) Kevin O'Connor?

    New Jersey signs Carlos to a 13M/year contract and then the Jazz TRADE Andre Kirilenko (17M) for Carlos Boozer. I know it sounds crazy but I'd much rather have Carlos in a Jazz uniform than Andre and the NJN are trying to be an 'international' team where Andre would fit right in. What say ye?

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 7:49 a.m.

    Maybe ORL can work a deal to send Murphy to Utah instead of Gortat? That leaves them Gortat to trade to DAL or who ever for other moves.

    It is questionable how much leverage the Jazz are going to have. However, ORL can't get Boozer without a sign and trade unless they cut a deal with a cap team.

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 7:46 a.m.

    Johnson has a max offer from ATL. Redick may get the a full MLE offer from BOS to replace Ray Allen.

    If Bosh is smart he will wait to see what James does and then follow him. I doubt that James is going to MIA.

    Based on WP48s James, Boozer and Wade are the only players worth a max contract. Boozer's injury history is hurting him.

    IND has Troy Murphy (11 mill) with an expiring contract that could be gotten in trade. His WP48 is as good as Boozer's. If the Jazz could get him in a 3 way for Boozer that would make some sense. He would expire before the new CBA but could be an excellent C. He would be a great replacement for Okur. Murphy shoots the 3 and has a WP48 similar to Boozer's.

    The Jazz dramatically improve the team as Millsap and AK would jump in WP48. While moving Boozer would not lose WP48 while Murphy only costs 11 mill similar to Okur who would be an expiring when other teams are cutting lux tax.

    That is the type of deal that needs to happen via trade or TE.

  • carpediem
    July 1, 2010 2:45 a.m.

    What I don't get is why Boozer would sell his home in Miami, if the Heat were really interested. I think Amare will go to the Heat, Boozer to the Nets, Joe Johnson to New York, I also think Lebron's whole "I want to retire the number 23 thing" was actually in preparation for him to make the move to Chicago with Bosh.

  • JFFR
    July 1, 2010 1:05 a.m.

    I am so sick of this picture of Boozer. Anyone else think the DesNews should find something new to use?

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 12:51 a.m.

    On further reflection, the Jazz would be better off getting a trade exemption for Boozer.

    Trading Boozer with a WP48 of .29 for Gortat with a WP48 of .16 and 10 mill in TE would be okay.

    Millsap/AK would make up the WP48 at PF to cover the loss of Boozer and Gortat would be a big upgrade at C. Which would offset the loss of Boozer. Boozer's WP48 in the playoffs was only .18.

    Trading Boozer for any other ORL players they would trade would not be good for the Jazz.

    A TE from NY or NJ or one any of the cap teams could be used to get a great C later in the year.

    If done right trading Boozer can really help the Jazz. If done wrong it is better to save the salary and let him walk.

  • toddfromsantaana
    July 1, 2010 12:48 a.m.

    No one would have to worry then about David because he brings his lunch pail every night, He and Milsap I could see would be good friends, they are alot alike

  • TrueFan
    July 1, 2010 12:47 a.m.

    Ford and many other "experts" have been putting out predictions that haven't come to fruition. It seems like they are wrong, more then they are right. I think they just like to throw some out there because it's what they do. My gut feeling is that Bosh goes Miami. If so, Boozer would be out of the picture for the Heat. The Jazz can offer him that sixth year on his deal that no other team can. At the very least, I think the Jazz won't let Boozer leave without some compensation via sign and trade. The Orlando rumor involved Boozer in exchange for Gortat, and either Reddick or Pietrius.

  • Doug10
    July 1, 2010 12:46 a.m.


    It would be great to pick up Lee because:
    he is more athletic than Boozer
    he knows the JAzz style of play better than Boozer
    he comes from a pick and roll background
    he and Deron get along on the court like bread and butter
    he would be able to operate in Jazz offense sooner than Boozer

    or more likely the grass is always greener syndrome has you

    trade Price for Bosh then I will agree the grass is greener til then, ...stick with the Jazz administration who said their top priority is resigning Boozer...if they need ideas or help wait for them to call

  • Captain L
    July 1, 2010 12:42 a.m.

    I would like to see Booz go to Orlando, so we could get something in return, Bass and JJ Redick would be good pieces and fit well in the Jazz system. If not Redick, maybe Barnes or Gortat.

  • Big Rock
    July 1, 2010 12:41 a.m.

    Bass and Reddick would be a nice consolation.

  • Bugoff
    July 1, 2010 12:32 a.m.

    A trade with ORL could be very good for the Jazz. They might be able to get Gortat (6 Mill) and/or Redick (2.9 Mill but an FA) and other consideration for Boozer

    For the regular season Gortat had a Wp48 of .16 and Redick had .12. For the play offs Gortat had .26 and Redick had .09.

    Ryan Anderson a PF with a WP 48 of .12 and a salary of 1.3 would also be nice.

    However the Jazz need to dump salary and ORL does not have any expiring contracts other than Redick and Anderson (team option next year).

    ORL may have to work a 3 way to get the salaries to work.

    Taking back Lewis (WP48 .01, 19.6 mill)or Carter (WP48 .102, 17.5 mill) would be poison. Bass has a WP48 of about .05 which is not good for a PF.

    There is a lot of over paid big name dead wood on the ORL team. It is amazing they do as well as they do given Lewis and Carter

  • Portland Trail Blazers
    July 1, 2010 12:13 a.m.

    Boozer will go to either Detroit or NJ, just watch...

  • Large Tuna
    June 30, 2010 11:50 p.m.

    Chad Ford mention's a possible sign-and-trade with Boozer for Lee. While i dont think this will happen, and i think Chad Ford is a terrible predictor (see his mock drafts, he was WAY off), it would be great to pick up Lee.