SO: We send a new man to the Congress that no one will listen to? Seems as if
we have major Problems as like Illinois with the Govenors, 4 in Jail and the 5
th one in line to be sent to jail. We need some serious investigating of our
Government here in Utah, Crooked as a stick.Crooks sitting on the Bench as
Judges, The Judicial Conduct Comission refuses to work for the People and
Investigate Judges. Seems that the Comission Backs the Judges. Judge Ben
Hadfield in Brigham City, Utah. This Judge refuses to do his job and Convicts
innocent People.For those of you that do not know the consequinces, This
ruins Peoples lives forever.Most of you should not be making post!
It seemed Bridgewater went way too negative. He refused to talk about his past
record of earmarks, etc. I'm leaning towards Mike Lee.
cynic: So you tell me where the checks and balances, the foundation for our form
of government, comes from. You didn't even bother to address those points.Where is the states voice in Washington? Who is there to fight the Feds
bulldozing, heavy-handed approach to government?And where is the
balancing voice in Congress that can look past the headline issues and daily
polls to see a longer-term perspective? Why two completely redundant houses of
Congress instead of just one? What does the other add in the current scheme?
@joe5:"I know this will go over most heads..."LOL, in other words,
"I'm smarter and know more than all you other goofs."Sorry to
disappoint, Joe, but this didn't go over my head, it just made me laugh. You
have your facts so wrong it's pathetic.Having the state legislatures
elect Senators didn't protect the integrity of the federal government, it
DESTROYED it. When you place the election of a senator in the hands of a few
state legislators, you create a situation that is ripe for corruption, bribery,
backroom dealings, and intense disagreements. Before the 17th Amendment, these
problems were commonplace in the selection of Senators. As a result, there were
numerous challenges to the elections, based on significant evidence of
corruption, and many states went for months or even years without a Senator
being seated.Is that your idea of integrity?
I know this will go over most heads but one way to help resolve the problems in
government is to repeal the 17th Amendment.Senators used to be
representatives of the states - "statesmen" if you will who could rise above the
political fray. Citizens were represented in the House of Representatives. The
17th amendment ruined out system of checks and balances.There are no
checks and balances between the two houses of Congress since the two chambers of
Congress represent the same constituency through popular vote. And as we have
seen over the last century, Congress unchecked is really ruining our form of
government.There are no checks and balances between the states and
the federal government because the states no longer have a voice in Washington.
And as we have seen over the last century, federal government unchecked is
enslaving its citizens.Like many things, it is counter-intuitive,
but having Senators appointed by state legislatures helped to protect the
integrity of the federal government.
Utah Republicans' action their shout out, aka convention captured a truism about
the way we think.That is, most people think they know what they know, and
know what they don't know. But, there is an important third category not
recognized by most, not knowing what we don't know. I raise this spector since
the latest round of would be patriots are fond of declaring what the founders of
this country "believed or intended". However, the real truth is no one can
really know. And, thus, we need to use contemporary concepts founded on
important principles - Is it fair? Is it just? How would I be treated if I
were not in an advantaged position.The sad part about Senator Bennett's
defeat is simple, he is a wise man who cares about people and our system. He
made a difference. The wantabe replacements are going to take valuable time
educating themselves at our expense, and in the meantime Utah loses out.
Perhaps, a just desert.
It's true that the seniority and Party dominance system in Congress makes it
hard for newcomers. Rather than submit to it, let's get rid of this
"good-ole-boy" power structure once and for all! Why should any duly elected
congressperson (representing his/her constituents) have any more or less power
to accomlish things or have any less of a voice. Under the current system,
certain constituencies are valued more highly than others--this is
un-American!One Jason Chaffetz in Congress may be able to do little,
but what if we had hundreds of Jason Chaffetzs in Congress! The point is, you
have to start somewhere and Jason was our point man. We now need to add to that
by electing Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and hundreds of other true
conservatives across the land. We are definitely rising up to take back our
May the best man win!
Senator -- the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. And Utah
has taken its first step away from you because it was time to move on.
It would obviously be best for Utahns to send Tim Bridgewater to Washington to
continue Bennett's tax and spend, big-government ways. Bridgewater's extensive
background in obtaining government grants, earmarks and stimulus funds would
give him a tremendous advantage were he to be assigned to the Finance Committee,
where he would play an active role in dispensing government largesse to
political cronies.Bridgewater's political skills are also apparently
superior to those of Mike Lee. He has deftly distracted attention from his
indefensible record, to conjured, false allegations against Lee. Tim has also
demonstrated remarkable political acumen in negotiating impressive endorsements
in true, "quid pro quo", "politics as usual" fashion, assuring Utahns the
continuation of a rich political heritage in our country.Despite the
fact that both Mike Lee & Tim Bridgewater have stated similar views on a great
many issues, I applaud the liberals for astutely recognizing and endorsing
Bridgewater as the most "reasonable" and progressive of the Republican
Senator Bob, that's just a bad argument. You are actually making the case for
exactly why you needed to go. We need term limits more now than ever, so there
are no mafia style negotiations and backroom deals because of seniority, etc.
If both houses of Congress are limited to no more than 12 years or service (as
Mike Lee is proposing), then we'd actually have a cleaner and clearer voice of
the people. Thanks for your many years of service Bob, but it's time for you to
move on. Mike is the right choice here.
Can YOU believe this that Sen. Bob Bennett says Utah's freshman senator likely
won't go to the head of the class, WELL what if I said BECAUSE of Bennett, your
tax dollars supports large payoffs to the Taliban?. You don't believe it?.
Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are fuelling corruption in Afghanistan and
funding the insurgency, according to a six-month investigation by the House
subcommittee on National Security and Foreign affairs. Committee investigators
found that private contractors in Afghanistan have been paying local warlords,
criminals, government officials and a list of others for security on
Afghanistan's roads, to get much needed supplies to U.S and NATO bases. But even
worse, anecdotal evidence indicates that U.S. tax dollars are also going into
the hands of the Taliban, who own many of the roads and areas through which the
trucking convoys have to pass. THINK AGAIN. That would mean that the U.S. is
literally funding the enemy, as violence escalates daily in Afghanistan and more
U.S soldiers and Marines are dying than ever before in this war. Thanks too YOUR
Hatch and Bob Bennett.ANY QUESTION'S from
Utah can feel good voting for either Bridgewater or Lee but Granato will have a
better chance at doing something in the senate then either of the former two.
@Samuel AdamsDon't blame Bennett for pointing out how things work.
Term limits are in place and Utah Republicans have chosen to start afresh with a
bright new face. Let's see how it works. Let's see how popular a national sales
tax is. Let's see how much Federal entitlement money can come to Utah. Utah,
like most small western states doesn't have much clout because we have such a
small population. For those who want to shake up Washington, that's OK, only you
just shook up Utah, not Washington.
Re: sonoflibertyYou're leaping over the hedge before you come to the
stile (Don Quixote)If you want to fix things, start with our own state of
Utah. Our republican dominated state legislator, aka THE EMPIRE, has refused to
pass any meaningful ethics law.They also refuse to stop taking bribes:
jazz tickets, free golf course time, elaborate and expensive dinner ect.In
fact the empire has the audacity to say that the bribes do not influence them
whatsoever.A ban of anything of any value should be instated immediately;
they have shown that they will weasel around anything else.Before we as a
small state, clean house, we need term limits for senators, then getting rid of
ours, will not hurt us as a state so much.Keep tilting at windmills!!!
If I wanted a guy like Tim Bridgewater in the Senate I would have voted for Bob
Bennett in the convention.
To tq2 | 3:19 p.m. June 21, 2010 ***But, Bob Bennett, at least Mike
or Tim will make the right votes . . .***The right vote for the
people of Utah, or the right vote for their masters? Both are owned by the tea
party. Lee is owned, and is a shill for, Energy Solutions. I don't want either
of them -- neither would be good for the people of Utah. Lee would just be
worse than Bridgewater.
But, Bob Bennett, at least Mike or Tim will make the right votes, and they will
not be the minority party by the time the winner is sworn in. Obama and the
Democrats are such a disaster, they'll be lucky to get any votes in November.
They have done nothing for the economy, nothing! They have done much to indebt
us, much in taking away individual liberties and freedoms, and much at screwing
up just about everything they have touched. Did I mention securing our borders?
Oh yeah, that's one they refuse to do. I will never vote for another
Re: VIDARIt is an uphill battle, but a battle we should fight
nonetheless.Term limits...I agree.Tea Party...means too
many things to too many people. If you're referring to those who believe in
limited, republican government (little r, not big R) as established by our
Constitution, then I'm for it.I agree that a single senator can't
make a difference. However, if Americans principled in true limited government
from around the nation voted for similar candidates we'd be a lot closer to the
return to limited government. Rather than throw our collective hands in the
air, I'd prefer to fall on the side of electing principled leaders.Washington is CURRENTLY corrupt...but it wasn't always so. If we return to
the Constitutional republic set up by our founders (though not a "perfect"
system) we could rid ourselves of much of the corruption. If the
federal government only performed the 20 specifically enumerated powers in the
Constitution, you wouldn't have nearly the same level of bribes since there
would be fewer reasons for them to be given.Did I mention we should
return to our original constitutionally formed limited government?
To stanard. Oh yes, Mr. Lee will team up nicely with Marcos Rubio. Rubio has
more problems than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. He's the
one that went on a spending spree with the party credit card. And now, his home
is being foreclosed because he, let's see now, how the conservatives put putting
it, he bought more than he could chew. Financial guru? I laugh out loud.
I'm confused...I got a recorded message from Tim Bridgewater, and he
asked for my vote, and told me HE was going to make the difference, save the
world, etc.Then, I get a recorded message from Mike Lee, saying
pretty much the same things.Guess I'll let these two throw hissy
fits, and watch the loser fall to the Democrat.
Re: sonoflibertyFirst thing you do is push and get passed a
constitutional amendment establishing term limits for senators, even if they are
limited to two terms, that is still 12 years.The Tea party movement
instead chose to become a joke and farce.It is naive to think a single
senator is going to go back to Washington and single handed change
everything.The entire Washington political system is designed to corrupt,
and turn the representatives into politicians.How long will they deny
themselves the perks, and money/bribes that will be thrown at them every day?
And they are there for six years, the political climate is going to be
different in six years, statistically they can stay there for as long as they
want, once the “tea party” experiment goes the way of the dodo
bird.If we want to fix things, let’s start with our own state and
pass an ethics law and ban on any gifts/bribes to our own states legislator.
What is missing from the whole “tea party” group is basic common
sense.They are against government pork and bailouts; but most of them have
benefitted from the bailouts, It’s not for the average citizen that the
banks were bailed out, but to protect the assets of the rich; Accounts were only
insured up to $250,000 if a bank fails.They are against Obama care; but
turn around and claim Medicare, is their entitlement.They carry around
signs that say “keep the government out of my social security”
andMost of the Tea partiers do not understand how hysterical-hypocritical
the sign is to others. Now the republicans (who are already losing power)
are getting rid of all their representatives that are in power.This type
of political cannibalism is terrible for our state right now, and is not what
the majority of voters in this state wanted.What the tea partiers should
have been doing is pushing for is a constitutional amendment limiting terms of
senators.And then vote the senior senators out of office.Unfortunately tea partiers have the common sense, and patience, of spoiled
four year olds.
Re: VIDAR, homers, and cynicBob Bennett claims this would have been
his last term, then he'd retire from the senate in 2016. So wouldn't we be in
these unfortunate, powerless circumstances in 2016 anyway? If this
is how the game is to be played (elect those only with seniority)...all in the
name of money...why don't we just do away with six/two year terms altogether and
give senators/congressmen lifetime appointments? Then we wouldn't have to worry
about losing our fair share of federal money...ever!!Oh
drat...there's one problem. As far as I know, no one has figured out how to
cheat death yet. Foiled again!!I guess we'll have to take it up
with God since he may not understand the seniority and money we would lose by
allowing such things to happen!!Either that, or revert back to
electing principled leaders who understand the proper role of LIMITED
@Samuel Adams:Look, I didn't make the rules, and I'm not enforcing them.
I'm just telling you the way it is. Attacking the messenger by calling it silly
democrat reasoning won't change the reality. If telling the truth and suggesting
an effort to work within the existing system is silly democrat reasoning, then
denying the truth, making vain attempts to change the system, and blaming your
opponents for your failure is typical conservative reasoning.
Re: VIDAR, cynic, homers,So only entrenched people in Congress
get things done, huh? So your way would be perhaps to make it a lifetime
appointment. Maybe we could make it a royalty thing where the congressional seat
stays in the family after the old codgers pass on. I mean we certainly can't
afford to lose $1 of federal funding. Silly democrat reasoning.New
people make an impact all the time, especially when they work together. If anything, Bennett's coments are a fantastic arguement for TERM LIMITS
instead of business as usual.
It’s not only that the new senator will not be in a position to do
anything for Utah.They also will not be in any position to protect Utah
either.Plan on the democrats picking Utah apart for the next several
years.Plan on more of our land becoming a “National
Monument”Also plan on our water going to other states.No more
federal funds, plan on the great republican Utah budget going bye bye (Utah has
been subsidizing our state budget for year with federal funds)With all the
Ultra-conservative talk how we do not want the money, plan on us getting none of
it, even if the new senator sees reality, and ask.Why should they care
what we think, we are a small western state, with diminishing power?We do
not vote for them anyway.I also want every delegate that did not vote for
Bennett, to personally write to the State of Utah, a one Million Dollar check,
for the money Utah is now going to lose in federal funds.Put your money
where your mouth is!!!
cynic - I guess I am a cynic too but I agree with you wholeheartedly. In
Congress you can compromise or accomplish absolutely nothing short of renaming
the local post office. The really important legislation is all handled by the
old pros and most states aren't throwing out their old pros. 15 out of 34 seats
will change hands -at the most - and of those 15 most have served less than
Bennett. All this anger for such a small amount of change.
You people are pretty funny. This is not Bob Bennett's sour grapes. He's telling
you the truth, and he is joined in that truth by the editor of a respected
non-partisan political report and by political experts at both the University of
Utah and BYU. You can disagree or criticize all you want, but prepare to face
reality. Your new senator will have 2 choices when he gets to Washington: stick
to his radical ideological stands and accomplish nothing of value for Utah, or
learn to compromise and accomplish slightly more but incur the same ire Bennett
did. Either way, in a few years, you'll be complaining about his performance,
and you'll want to replace him with someone else who will do even less. Enjoy
At the margins when one vote is needed to move out of committee or pass a vote
on the floor, it doesn't matter if you have been there five minutes or 50 years,
you have power. And, why do our legislators negate our rightful representation
by making it a seniority based system just more evidence of the need to have
consistent and constant change and turn over in our legislative representatives.
Very much like good compost, good representation requires frequent turn over or
it starts to smell.
Tim Bridgewater will have a VERY hard time since he has been actively attacking
Senator DeMint in this race now as well for supporting Mike Lee. Bridgewater
has almost no chance of being able to work with the Conservatives in the Senate.
Bridgewater might be able to fit in with the RINO's and
progressives Republicans in the Senate, but he's shot himself in the foot with
the Conservatives. It just shows Bridgewater will do anything to win this race,
even if it means ruining his chances of "looking" like a conservative once he
gets there. Mike Lee is the true conservative, with a strong
conservative coalition with Jim DeMint, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Ken
Buck, Sharon Angle, and more.I have not seen an election this
negative and nasty since the last time Tim Bridgewater ran for office.
Why always the calls for a moderate republican. Washington was correct, the
parties do nothing but hurt the people and keep themselves in power and
Especially don't expect much if Mike Lee happens to win the seat. His
self-righteous piety would marginalize him even more than the typical freshman.
The first time he took out his pocket-sized constitution and started waving it
like he was the only who believed in and followed it he'd be shunted aside like
a dust bunny in the supply room. IMO, the only reasonable GOP candidate is Tim
Bridgewater. Barring that alternative I'll support Sam Granato.
The last sentence was very troubling. We shouldn't stand up for our ideals
because it might cost us future growth?? Yeah values don't really
matter. Let's just do whatever we have to do to get ahead.
AWWW Cats 8:11am-- I agree with you about SENIORITY.But what confuses me
is why you talk throwing away seniority and in the same breath asking for the
defeat of Matheson to throw away more seniority....You people just don't
get it and because you don't get it Utah will remain a joke to the rest of the
Vote for Bridgewater as a signal to the right-wing extremists who voted out
Bennett. I attended my neighborhood caucus. There was no room for a moderate
Republican in that meeting. We need to change the system so that all
Republicans have a chance to vote. The caucus meetings eliminate those who have
to work at night; those who can't get babysitters, etc. A two-hour meeting is
not a fair system. A 12-hour period of voting opens up the system to more
Bailout Bob is referring to the way things have been done in D.C. for the last
40 yrs. The new crop of political servants will have probably noticed that if
THEY don't act in the best interests and/or follow the constitution THEY will be
Senator Bennett's sour grapes are old and stale. Time for him to go buy a
Fishing License and leave the politics to the new and refreshing folks. Things
in Congress take time to change, true, but as the rubish gets flushed out of
Wahington, things will change.
The most troubling part of this article was the last sentence. "...taking
ideological stands 'may not be the best strategy for Utah's future growth.'"So, don't take an "ideological stand" because we might lose money?
Really?Why didn't he just say what he really meant..."sit down and
shut up."In the words of American Patriot Samuel Adams, "If ye love
wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating
contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon
you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"Now is a
time to stand up and be heard. The animating contest of freedom didn't end in
1787, but is ongoing. History has shown that there have always been
those who are interested in gaining power and control over his fellow
men...sometimes out of contempt for his subjects, and other times under the
guise of forcing his subjects do what he feels is the right thing. Tyranny is
tyranny, whatever the motivation.DON'T TREAD ON ME
You know Obama was right with one thing he said, it's time for a change. I
can't see why Bennett would make his argument that we need an experienced
senator. The reason why Bennett is out in the first place is he wasn't much of
a conservative. It's not that i didn't like Bennett, but we just need more of
conservative values to achieve our goals of becoming a debt free America...which
won't happen for years to come after what this administration has done. If you
keep electing the same people, they keep doing the same things.
As one who has spent many years on Capitol Hill, I can tell you Bennett is
right. SENIORITY IS VERY IMPORTANT. Utah threw all that seniority away. Now
we'll have to deal with it.Having said that. Both men are great and
either one would be a great representative. I met Mike Lee years ago and, I
must say, I was very impressed with him.However, I think Tim
Bridgewater's experience in business would be a real plus. We need businessmen
and women who understand how things work. We already have Senator Hatch who is
a constitutional expert. A businessman would be a good complement to him.Having said all of that, I encourage all Republicans in the second
district to cross ticket and vote for Claudia Wright. If we can take Matheson
out early, it will really be a lot easier to win that seat in the fall. That's
our only chance to get Pelosi out of the speakership. LET'S GET RID
OF PELOSI BY GETTING RID OF MATHESON!!!!!
These two guys are terrifying middle aged and elderly with their plans to cut
off their life support. Granato should have a wide playing field here no matter
which one the Republicans select. The questions is this: will middle aged LDS
vote religion or their pocketbooks? Stay tuned, to say the least.
For a real example, check out Jason Chaffetz. He has sponsored some
legislation, all of it has a status of "referred to committee".He
hasn't made a dent in the deficit.He hasn't rolled back any
provisions of health care.An honest assessment is that Jason
Chaffetz hasn't made any difference. Its not that he's not trying. He wants to
make a difference. But he's the "new guy". Our new senator will face the same
We need change in Washington now more than ever. We don't need 'career'
politicians. I think in the years to come you will see more and more new
policies. And in time 'the junior senators' will make a difference. Changing the
way Washington works will be a long road, but not impossible.For now, we
have to get our spending in check, and try to get back to the Constitution. Bob
Bennett would do neither. Jason Chaffetz is doing a great job.
So, we should continue to put up with your corruption instead Senator? I think
it is wonderful that you are being cast out of office, it is time for you to go.
Bye, Bye, don't let the the door hit ya, etc.
Looking at what the "experienced" in the Senate have done to this country, a
change can only be better. The two Utah Senators have been "friends" with the
Democrats. They have been too willing to surrender values. I can't
understand how any rational Republian can associate with Ted Kennedy or write
songs to praise him. At least Bennett never wrote any songs or wanted to
appear at the Democrat convention.
Utah_1 - That copy / paste is getting tiring...
Vote for whomever you want in the primary, I guess. Bennett is right, which is
why Utah Republicans were short-sighted if they wanted to do what was in Utah's
best interest. In the general election, Utah can vote for a non-player or vote
for someone who can get something done. The non-player would be the Republican.
A Democrat elected in Utah will have immediate credibility, like Scott Brown
from Massachusetts. But, Utah is a one party state, unfortunately, and doesn't
know how to leverage itself very well. The two Republican candidates are not
pragmatic but are ideologues, and that will get Utah nothing in a legislative
This article only reveals how the attitude of Washington has become corrupted.
Bennett has not said one thing that is related to the good of the country, it's
all about state greed. Senators are in power to work as a unit to resolve
federal issues and state representation. The current legislators in Washington
spend too much time as bankers and financial brokers. Every thing
Bennett has brought up is about money, not security, the economy, and government
overspending and bankrupting the nation. Bennett's generation has been
responsible for jobs lost and cheap and illegal labor and mindless greed. The
Senator's job is not just about a single state, it's about the entire nation.
Regardless of if any of the new people get on any committee's, they
still have a vote on policy and what these committees propose. New faces and new
minds are what will make the difference in the national economy and not just in
Utah. Chavets has been a prime example of what a single new face can do in
Washington. At this point in time, uniting the country and controlling spending
is the goal.
Mike Lee@Utah_1 Do you mean Bridgewater agreeing to pay off
Cherilyn Eager's campaign debt? That's how he treated her with more respect?My vote has nothing to do with endorsements, and has everything to do
with the fact that Mike Lee actually can start making an influence when he gets
to the Senate. Mike Lee already has a planned coalition of senators from around
the country that he will work with right away. While he recognizes the point
that this article makes, he's also aware that he needs a coalition to bring
about the changes that Utahn's really want. Mike Lee has my vote.
Tim BridgewaterI have watched Tim for over a year, and I believe he
is the best US Senate candidate in the primary. Tim's attitude and methods and
his actions have impressed me. Words alone are not enough.The fact
that Cherilyn Eagar endorsed Tim Bridgewater, and Bob Bennett endorsed
Bridgewater, in my mind, has more to do with how the Bridgewater campaign
treated those two campaigns with greater respect than Eagar and Bennett agreeing
with Bridgewater on issues.Bridgewater has my vote.