Brad Rock: Timing just right for Utah to battle with Pac-10 teams

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  • nomad1
    June 19, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    If BYU is all about morals and values, why do it's fans fail to honor them. Pride always cometh before the fall. Love your neighbor instead of trying to covet them.

    PS Not all Mormons are fans of BYU!!!

  • TJB
    June 18, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    To all of the "BYU fans" posting; I hope all of you are BYU alum, but I have a feeling that all of the bitter BYU postings are from Weber St. grads/dropouts at best. If BYU had two solid BCS wins in the past 7 years then they would have a solid argument, You can not lose two games a year for the past 26 years and expect much nationally. Even if the MWC was not on a terrible regional cable channel, BYU would not get as much national attention as you assume. I am just glad that Utah is not hand-cuffed in recruiting by a second choice mediocre head coach.

  • Striker
    June 18, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    The PAC-10 is considered a worser BCS conference. Even in that conference they only had 3 teams last year with losing seasons (one is revamped Washington) while the MWC had 4 teams with losing seasons and with fewer teams in the conference. Utah couldn't even win the conference. It will be years before Utah even contends for a championship.

    Goodbye conference championships!

  • Hellooo
    June 18, 2010 5:54 a.m.

    To superute: just remember it is the net not the gross that counts, and from listening to the press conference sounds like the U sports programs has already spent the money twice over. Any good luck Utes!

  • superute
    June 18, 2010 12:29 a.m.

    BYU doesn't know what it's like to be relevant anymore. Their last relevant year was 1984. Since then, they've had a total of TWO NCAA basketball wins and no relevant bowl wins (nobody considers the Vegas Bowl to be relevant).

    Have fun remaining irrelevant, BYU, while thinking that you're important. Utah still sells more apparel, still wins more games that count, and now makes boatloads of more money!

  • WestCoast1
    June 17, 2010 10:02 p.m.

    Bugoff, Buster, and SportsFan,

    You three make quite the trio. You've been on every article concerning the Utes getting into the Pac 10. Why can't you all give it a rest? SportsFan is reaching as deeply as he can to find someway to "prove" that the Utes won't succeed; Bugoff is doing the same; and Buster is always going on some rampage against the Utes, usually making reference to the Utes academically. Can't you three posters see that you all come off as jealous, poor losers? It is obvious to everyone except you three.

    Again, give it a rest!

  • hedgehog
    June 17, 2010 7:34 p.m.

    Hey Bronko, You better lock up your LDS athletes fast. The Utes are about to test their "honor code".

  • Lifelong Republican
    June 17, 2010 6:41 p.m.

    Chris B proves my point.

    Never in my post did I say the Ute fans were worse than the BYU fans or vice versa.

    All I said was the hate has gotten out of control.

    Just like Ute95 said, we need to dissipate the hate.

    Some people's hatred is so bad that they can't even read correctly.

  • I say this
    June 17, 2010 6:11 p.m.

    In the Mountain West...Utah had a week off every now and then when they played Wyoming or UNLV but in the PAC12 it will be a fight every week and Utah will NEVER go undefeated again....sorry no BCS bowl.

    The Utah/BYU rivalry game will die....thank goodness. Most BYU students are from outside Utah and don't care and most Utah fans are anti-Mormon drunks....

  • Noodlekaboodle
    June 17, 2010 3:57 p.m.

    @Chris B
    You know why there are 10x more bad BYU fans than Utah fans. BYU has 10x more fans total.

  • Chris B
    June 17, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    How sweet it is... start making 10X the money, play in Rose Bowl, have serious opportunity for national championship, watch TDS get destroyed every year by tcu and bsu

    life is good

  • utahcountyute
    June 17, 2010 1:44 p.m.


    Nice, since your cougs already own the Vegas bowl. Man it must really hurt to realize your "little brother" can play their way to the Rose Bowl and you are stuck in vegas. LOL


    Did you just say Syracuse was a big non conference game? FYI...they were 4-8 last year. K Whit has always tried to schedule the best competition possible. Try Pitt and then Notre Dame on the road this year. The Utes will be just fine.

  • RE
    June 17, 2010 11:33 a.m.

    BYU will be just fine!

    For all you Ute fans who complain about TV may find it hard to find your game on the Tube. You may think your going to be on ESPN playing to a national audience, but the Pac plays with FSN and VS, and you thought The MT was bad. Ask any fan from the Northwest and they will tell you so.

    The Mountain is now years ahead of FSN in quality and in depth coverage and not to mention HD this year with all football games. Why do you think every conference wants it's own network now? It was because of the Mountain Wests vision.

    The Mountain West will still be there competing and most likely continue dominance over the Pac and then gain entrance the hard way to the BSC.

  • Henry Drummond
    June 17, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    I have to agree with the Rock Star here. Has anyone really looked at the PAC lately? Washington and Washington State are not playing amazing football right now. Oregon lost to Utah two years ago, Cal lost to Utah last year, and I seem to remember Oregon State losing to BYU last year as well. Stanford hasn't been a top team in a long time, and then there is UCLA. They only reason they prefer Utah to BYU is that Utah didn't humiliate them by beating them 50-0, they only humiliated them by beating them 46-6. Make no mistake about it, these guys are still a step above teams like Wyoming, New Mexico and UNLV, but not that big a step. Utah will do fine.

  • Johnny Triumph
    June 17, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    Funny!!! The Utes are the girl next door!

    Soon the bigger conference began noticing the girl next door was growing up.

    Utah might have a chance for a season or two but will remain a middle tier PAC12 team.

    The rivalry with BYU will dry up over time, not really a big loss there.

    TV viewers in Utah will be the big winners in this whole thing, another conference exposure.

  • bgl
    June 17, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    Wow--I expected SOME sour grapes, jealousy, anger, justifying--but these posts are just dripppping and ooozing. BYU fans should be swollen up with pride today. Just as surely as your mythical '84 NC win against 25th ranked Michigan created the BCS system, the U's thumping of your teams en route to 2 undefeated seasons and 2 wonderful BCS Bowl wins is part of what made this happen. You kids will be alright in your gritty little conference over the next few decades--and we will always be an advocate of a NCAA playoff system. Meanwhile---it's off---to THE CON--FERENCE (pause---pause---wait for it)---ahem--OF CHAMPIONS. (sigh) I thank you for your time.

  • Wiley Old School
    June 17, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    to Esquire,

    You said:
    "their memories and character will be better for winning than being on a losing team all the time. This is where Utah is making its big mistake. They are chasing dollars, not athletic success."

    So by your definition of athletic success, character is built by beating up on weaklings rather than lining up against tough, often superior, competition to see how you can do and how you can grow. (Even BSU has come to realize beating up on cream puffs can only take you so far.)

    I have no delusions here. We Utah fans will be back to the days when 8-4 is a nice season. We'll have to endure some losing seasons. But we will hope and aspire for a few special seasons along they way and when those seasons happen it will be sweet. Over time, success and character will grow as Utah works to meet the higher challenges.

  • Tysman
    June 17, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    Utah won just one championship in the MWC this year (Womens Volleyball, I think). So if the can't win in the lowly MWC what will they do in the great PAC 10.

    I'm glad to see them go now I will never have to cheer for them again (since it was for the conference and not them I was cheering for anyway). I hope BYU will look at not scheduling the Utes. We already have to see Utah State every year, if they keep the utes on the schedule then there would be fewer chances to see real football schools. I.E. Notre Dame, Florida State, Penn State, etc.

    Finally everyone is saying that this will hurt BYU in recruiting. That is an ignorant statement if you understand the recruiting philosophy of Bronco Mendenhall. He is looking for athletes who want to come to BYU and those athletes will not change just because Utah is now the Wyoming of the Pac 10.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say adios to the Utes and I hope I never have to see their drunk, ignorant fair weather faces again at LES.

  • Chris B
    June 17, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    93 COUGAR,

    Stop the self righteousness. There are 10X the number of bad fans from BYU than their are from Utah

  • 93 COUGAR
    June 17, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    Ute95 took the words right out of my mouth...

    " I hope we use this conference realignment to dissipate the anger from the BYU-Utah rivalry. Sports are great, but our passion for them shouldn't trump our commitment to living the Golden Rule."

    Dissipate the anger is exactly how I feel about this.

    I hope the schools will not even play each other for about 5 years and let the hate die down.

    This is one of the positives I see coming out of this.

    The internet has spawned hatred like I have never seen before.

    This is a perfect time to step back and take a good look at ourselves.

  • Parkite1
    June 17, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    Yeah running in the WRONG direction! I wonder how quickly Ute football fans will regret the decision when the team finishes 3rd or 4th in their division every year. I wonder how quick the fans will hate seeing their Utes lose 3-4 home games every year. The two BCS wins were flukes and the Utes may never play in another BCS game. The facts speak volumes, the all-time record 52-90-3, I beleive the only team the Utes have a winning record against is Arizona. Heck they even have a losing record against Colorado. Yep the money will be great and the prestige but Utah you may end up mediocre or even a PAC-12 bottom dweller in both football and basketball (no you probably will do okay there, or not). Hey but enjoy the empty stands after your team loses too many home games and fans quit coming. Give it about 5 years and that will be your football program!

  • Esquire
    June 17, 2010 7:07 a.m.

    Overall the PAC 10 is stronger than the MWC. You can earn a 10-2, 11-1 or in a really good year a 12-0 record and be perceived as pretty good. But that 10-2 record can easily slip to a 6-6 in a tougher conference. But look past football. The minor sports will be worse off. It is better to win in a weaker conference that lose a lot in a stronger conference. Almost none of those athletes will go on to compete professionally, and their memories and character will be better for winning than being on a losing team all the time. This is where Utah is making its big mistake. They are chasing dollars, not athletic success.

  • financenco
    June 17, 2010 6:23 a.m.

    They won't be running. They will be bottom feeders for a while. Had they stayed, they would of been part of a conference that could better the PAC 10, and other conferences on the East. With USC on verge of sanctions, the PAC 10 will be toast. There are no other teams in same class right now, to even get people's attention.

  • DawgBite
    June 17, 2010 1:25 a.m.

    The weekly pounding Utah is going to take is like nothing they've seen before. THIS - this is what kills PAC 10 teams in the season, and in the rankings, along with playing 9 conference games where most other big conferences play only 8.

    How many games does Utah play in it's conference? Automatically, with the PAC 10 conference scheduling, half the conference is receiving a loss that no other conference receives.

    And, for those talking about non-conference schedules, look at UWs: 3 years ago it included Ohio State and Fresno State; last year an opener with LSU and then BYU; this year, BYU, Syracuse and Nebraska.

    Point being: it's a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL of competition.

    Get ready, and good luck.

    While I'm glad you're in the conference, I'd bet anyone $1,000 in cash RIGHT NOW that Utah, with ALL it's talent and head coach, doesn't finish higher than 5th next year.

    And, NEXT SEASON will be their BEST. Wait until you recruit against UW, Oregon, USC, UCLA. Uuuuuhhh, not happening.

  • DawgBite
    June 17, 2010 1:20 a.m.

    It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH (you get the point) EASIER to get up for one "big" game, whether it be a regular season game against a PAC 10 opponent in years past or a BCS bowl game.

    No disrespect intended, but the Alabama BCS game a few years ago doesn't even count in most people's book. Alabama played for, and lost everything, in their conference championship game. They did NOT EVEN WANT TO BE at the bowl game. Yet, Utah? It was the game of their lives, and they act like they really accomplished something.

    Here's what most smaller conference teams don't get: it's NOT just the ability to rise for one game. Instead, it's do you have the depth to play, week-in, week-out, and take the pounding the PAC 10 puts out.

    With all starters healthy, Utah CLEARLY has the talent to be a top 5 or 6 team in the PAC 12.

    But, how's the depth? There are NO cupcakes in the PAC 10, except for WSU the past 2 seasons.

  • DawgBite
    June 17, 2010 1:16 a.m.

    First, as a UW alumn and season ticket holder, congrats to Utah and Colorado. Frankly, I think they're a better fit than of the Texas or Oklahoma schools. And, they want to be part of the conference.

    (And, for those who don't know, the conference slogan is "The Conference of Champions". As in the literal sense of the word. The conference has more national titles in all sports combined than any other conference. And mind you, it's built this DISTANT lead with only 10 teams. Heck, the SEC, BIG East and ACC all have 16 schools, thus a 40% advantage on the PAC.

    HOWEVER, it's rather entertaining reading the apparent cockiness of Utah fans.

    What most people posting on here don't seem to get and/or factor in is this:

  • Utah'95
    June 17, 2010 12:54 a.m.

    To the BYU fans who are genuine in their well-wishes - this Utah fan says "thank you."

    A few thoughts:

    The best MWC teams can play with the Pac 10 effectively, but the bottom half of the Pac 10 is much better than cellar of the MWC. Utah will have to "bring it" weekly.

    I'll miss some of the matchups that Utah has played for decades, but look forward to watching new rivalries/history develop.

    BYU's not getting invited has more to do with their policy of no Sunday play that it does with religion. If the Pac 10 hates Mormons, like many of you believe, they wouldn't have invited Utah.

    Academic vision plays a role in these decisions. While BYU is an excellent university, Utah is built more/thinks more like most of the Pac 10 schools.

    As a lifelong Mormon and Ute fan who graduated from BYU and Utah, I hope we use this conference realignment to dissipate the anger from the BYU-Utah rivalry. Sports are great, but our passion for them shouldn't trump our commitment to living the Golden Rule.

    Good luck Cougars, but I hope the Utes beat you in November!

  • Buster
    June 17, 2010 12:30 a.m.

    La Tortuga | 11:45 pm
    "Although I would agree that religion (more accurately the questioning of academic freedom) and politics probably had a subsidiary "fit" role in why BYU wasn't considered BYU not being considered is a statement of where the PAC-10 sees things going."

    Man, I hate going into this, but here goes.

    For the PAC 10 to expand, all 10 had to agree.

    Let me give you three names, to see if this helps. Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi. Let me see if you can guess their position on Prop 8 in California. Now guess how they felt about the LDS Church and their involvement. I could give more, but I hope you get the picture.

    Now, what chances would you give to an LDS-University getting the OK from Cal, or Stanford?

    I will disagree with you that "religion (more accurately the questioning of academic freedom) and politics probably had a subsidiary "fit" role".

    I'm not making excuses, and believe Utah is in the right place, but an LDS-University has ZERO chance not getting a veto from at least Cal or Berkley... Period.

    BYU has Zero chance of a PAC invite...

  • Bugoff
    June 17, 2010 12:14 a.m.

    The PaC12 is weak enough that it would not surprise me at all if Utah did get into the Rose Bowl in the first 5 years. However, going undefeated and vying for a national championship is highly unlikely.

    When was the last time USC went undefeated even with the best players they could buy? Utah has a strong tendency to barely beat weak MTN teams. I doubt if they are better than cheating USC.

    They probably are better than sanctioned USC on probation with reduced scholarships.

    As far as the recruiting is concerned, I did not see any LDS players jump from USC to Utah when they could move without sitting out a year. BSU did pick up one player.

    It will take a couple of years for this to shake out but I tend to think this is an important turning point for BYU. Too many people view BYU as a Utah school. It is really an national/international school much more so than ND.

    It is time for BYU to reposition it's brand. Getting divorced from Utah is an important first step.

    Think outside or Utah for a change.

  • Alpine Coug
    June 16, 2010 11:49 p.m.

    re: Rock of the Marne

    Actually 'Roche', most BYU fans are offering congrats and a well deserved "Way to go Utah!"

    To correct some of your twisted logic, please note the comments of bostonblue at 10h13 pm (just above yours) who pretty well nails the real reason why Utah was invited instead of BYU.

    As for TCU 'owning' BYU, we are 5-3 against them all time, although only 2-3 since they joined the MWC in 2005.

    And please do not ever again bring up Utah's nine-game bowl winning streak-seriously the most lame statistic of all-time. One quality win (Alabama in the Sugar Bowl) out of nine-the rest all 4+ loss teams with Sagarin rankings above 40.

    Mr. Rock did nail one fact about Utah being in absolutely the right place at the right time. After a decade of mediocre football intermingled with two absolute brilliant seasons for the ages. It's Johnny Come Lately personna has served it well.

    But, please do not delude yourselves about why you were chosen over BYU.

    Good luck Utes! We are proud of you. We wish you all the best as you represent us and the state.

  • La Tortuga
    June 16, 2010 11:45 p.m.

    bostonblue: From a Ute fan, thanks for the initial good wishes. I do not wish to pile on (I know this has got to be rough for Y fans), but feel compelled to address your comment:

    Although I would agree that religion (more accurately the questioning of academic freedom) and politics probably had a subsidiary "fit" role in why BYU wasn't considered, the bottom line is that Utah has been trending up very rapidly for some time (football success, SLC TV marketshare, merchandising, and last but not least, academics). The argument you make is often about BYU's past, and less about the two programs projected futures. The PAC-10 is expanding for financial reasons... make no mistake. If they felt BYU was really going to be a highly superior long-term partner in this financial endeavor they would have been considered--and does anyone doubt the PAC-10 did their homework? BYU not being considered is a statement of where the PAC-10 sees things going.

  • CG
    June 16, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    "WOW! All you TDS fans are sooooooo jealous."

    lol, at all of the childish Utah fans who still have to resort to juvenile name calling to feel good about themselves.

    Having to resort to terms like "TDS" and "kewgs", just shows how insecure some Utah fans will always be, no matter how successful the Utes become

    We may have some jealousy about Utah joining a BCS conference, we'll never have any jealousy about those types of Utah's fans.

  • OregonCougar
    June 16, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    Before U ute fans get too excited, dont forget that you will not be joining the PAC for another couple of years. USC will be about done with their sanction (although they will not be back full strength for another couple of years after that), Oregon will have forgotten about their QB that was kicked off the team, and every other PAC team will be just as tough to beat week after week as they are now. Lets be honest, in the MWC, a team doesnt have to play its best week after week when they are playing Wyo, NM, CSU, etc.

  • rok
    June 16, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    By the time the changes take effect, the teams will be completely different. You can't judge how well a team like Oregon will do in 2011 because their current quarterback was thrown off the team.

  • Rock Of The Marne
    June 16, 2010 10:36 p.m.

    You BYU fans are a funny bunch for talking smack when you just got rejected despite your delusional view of your team. If BYU is so much better why no invites for you? Could it be that in football in the last 20 years you have done nothing of real note except being a pretty good team in an okay conference? Try going undefeated twice in five years and then you can talk (also 9 straight bowl wins). If the same rules were in play that were in place in 84 Utah would have been NC in 08 and possibly in 04 (both way better teams than the Y has ever fielded - come on you defense has never been much to write home about). Good luck trying to beat a superior TCU (who has always had your number) and BSU to finally try to crack into the BCS game (might be awhile). Sorry to be so rude but BYU fans tick me off and especially after reading other sites such as Rivals where most PAC fans are welcoming to the Utes - who needs you BYU with your inflated, little to back it up, ego.

  • ManBearPig
    June 16, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    WOW! All you TDS fans are sooooooo jealous.

  • bostonblue
    June 16, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    CONGRATS to Utah for being invited to the PAC. They deserve it! Of course they should go!(That was painful)

    That said, quoting the Arizona Daily Star: "The Pac-10 can use a bump in glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah nor Colorado can touch."

    The TRUTH:
    The two new PAC teams would have been BYU and Utah, or BYU and Colorado, were it not for one thing: religion. BYU has deserved a major conference invitation for 30 years of outstanding performance, not just two conference championships. BYU was left out for religion. The last acceptable prejudice in America is bigotry against the church behind BYU. Ironic in a country founded on religious freedom, and more evidence of the sad state of affairs in America.

  • byronbca
    June 16, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    I love how in an article praising how good the Ute football team is, Mr Rock refers to the Ute’s as the girl next door.

    But, I wonder what the divisions will be?

    All the Cali and AZ schools against everyone else? Or UT, CO, AZ,AZ St, USC, UCLA, against the Northern Pacific schools.? Or something else? My money is on my 1st guess.

  • RR
    June 16, 2010 10:07 p.m.

    I like BYU right where they are. We know what we stand for and what our values are, and we don't need to be in some power hungry, money-making conference.
    As far as I'm concerned, this is all still a rumor until Utah officials make the announcement. Sounds like they'll go, so best of luck in a much more difficult conference that is also plagued with sanctions.

  • SportsFan
    June 16, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    Worst case scenario would be Utah joining Washington State at the bottom of the conference and becoming nothing but cannon fodder for the top teams in the PAC.

    Utah hasn't proven that they can win on the road in the PAC 12, which is a must if the Utes are going to have any chance of winning the PAC 12 and playing in the Rose Bowl.

    Utah's PAC 10 road games since they busted the BCS:

    at UCLA 10-31
    at Oregon St 7-24
    at Oregon 24-31

    0-3 since 2004

  • armchairQBonthehill
    June 16, 2010 9:39 p.m.

    Great news for the Utes! PAC- whatever it will be called will certainly provide some awesome opportunities. Word on the street (from Ogden and Logan) is that the Utes want to retain Weber State and USU for non-conference games - - in addition to the BYU game. That will ensure RES will sell out for at least 1-2 games - the non-conference ones with the local teams! Problem is Dr.Hill and Kyle - -in the local paper and to the Crimson Club just a year ago were "fully committed to upgrading the non-conference schedule". Despite Ronnie Mac's presence in Ogden and Gary at USU . . retaining these teams year in and year out certainly isn't an upgrade. But then again, being the the PAC-whatever will put 2 or more conference losses on the schedule so they pretty much have to dumb up the non-conf. side of things just like the SEC, Big 10 etc. Disappointing to see Dr. Hill & Coach Whit go back on their "committment" to upgrade the non-conf. schedule, but good luck to the Utes in the new conf.

  • CG
    June 16, 2010 9:11 p.m.


    6 championships in 60 years in the "inferior" WAC and MWC would be put Utah a little behind Arizona's 2 championships in 16 years in the WAC.

    Since Arizona hasn't won a PAC 10 championship or played in a Rose Bowl in 30 years, even with a team that finished #4/#4, 12-1 back in 1998,

    using that logic says that Utah might not play in a Rose Bowl in the next 30 years.

    Lots of teams have been one or two hit wonders and then faded back into oblivion.

    I wouldn't put too much stock in those two BCS games in 6 years until Utah has proven that they can sustain that level of performance.

    The Utes have never had more than two Top 25 finishes in a row.

    Try making it three in a row this year. Then do it again. And again.

    If finishing in the Top 25 is such a trite little accomplishment, why has Utah's "elite" football program only managed it 6 times?

    Keep trying. BYU fans will be watching.

  • ExDixieIte
    June 16, 2010 9:07 p.m.

    @BluCoug I don't expect Utah's expectations to be as lofty as the first poster by any means but what does it say when the worst case scenario for Utah (finishing 5th) is the best case scenario for BYU excluding a BCS game which has proven elusive to this point?

    Utah has shown that it can beat Cal, OSU, AZ, with recent teams. What happened in the past irrelevant at this point. They've moved on and congratulations to them.

    June 16, 2010 9:06 p.m.

    I had this little obnoxious brother, i used to haul around in his little red wagon. Well he grew up and left for the Pac 12 but he will always be my little brother. BYU will make sure of that in most of the Novembers to come.

    Utah won just one conference championship in sports in the MWC. That is all of last year. That is men's and women's sports programs combined.

    But hey, you can dominate the Pac 12 ?
    Good luck little Brother. I really mean that, with all my sarcasm, I hope you dominate the Pac 12 The rivalry will continue Big brother is coming November 27 with a little added incentive. Beat USC Oregon Stanford and the rest and then BYU beats you it will make it all the better.

  • DEW Cougars
    June 16, 2010 8:41 p.m.

    have fun getting kick around but wait, the invitation hasn't been announce yet till 12:30 PM tomorrow. You will be wise to turn it down and stick around with MWC. Or Kyle won't be around anymor soon when his team get kick around. He either be the next head coach or be Head D Coach at BYU!

  • wwookie
    June 16, 2010 8:24 p.m.

    Nice logic CG, let's apply what you're saying. Coach Whittingham has 1 conf championship out of 5 seasons. That's 20%. So In the first five years in teh league, you're predicting that Utah will get in the RoseBowl with an automatic BCS bowl berth?
    Or were you using the 6 in 60 year logic that says it will be sometime in the first 10 years?

    Where did you go to school my friend? That's not a bash on Utah, that's good news. 3 BCS bowl games in less than 15 years is something only elites accomplish.

  • CG
    June 16, 2010 7:40 p.m.

    Which team in the PAC 10 will take New Mexico's place?

    You know, the team that's never very good, but always seems to have Utah's number.

    The team that always seems to mess up Utah's chances for a conference championship.

    How many times will Utah come oh so close to their first evr Rose Bowl berth, only to see Washington State or Arizona mess it up for the Utes?

    Winning conference championships hasn't been Utah's forte in over half a century.

    The Utes have only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years and Kyle has only won one as Utah's head coach.

  • PapaSmurf
    June 16, 2010 7:33 p.m.

    It will be a dogfight in football. Ask SC, they lost on the road in the PAC 10 even when they were invincible.

    For the rest of the sports, Utah couldn't even crack the top 50 in the nation in overall sports, they will take a step back from even that.

    Enjoy being the new Washington State.

  • BluCoug
    June 16, 2010 7:32 p.m.

    Highly doubt it. The utes will be 5th at best. Vegas bowl will be their curse.

  • Joe Schmoe
    June 16, 2010 7:28 p.m.

    Chris B alias hedghog,

    You guys (I think you are the same person) are some serious humor on these boards.

    Do you sit and check every 5 minutes to see if a Utah or BYU story has been posted?

    Seriously, how do you get on here so fast after EVERY BYU or Utah story?

  • Levin
    June 16, 2010 7:23 p.m.

    I'm jealous, and I hope every team in the league gives the Utes a good kick in the pants on the way out. Utah going 2-6 in conference feels pretty good to me right now.

  • regis
    June 16, 2010 7:13 p.m.

    Hopefully Whittingham won't ever have to regret his "The best place to see Vegas is in the rear view mirror" comment.

  • hedgehog
    June 16, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    "You get to romp through a mediocre conference and on to the Grand Daddy Bowl Game of them all. Thanks, BCS. You have truly screwed college football up."

    B, Got'a love it! sometimes magic happens!

  • B
    June 16, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    So, the take away here is this: Utah has a good team for the foreseeable future and they are heading into a conference in decline. Great.

    No question, Utah. Your timing is fantastic. You get to romp through a mediocre conference and on to the Grand Daddy Bowl Game of them all. Thanks, BCS. You have truly screwed college football up.

  • hedgehog
    June 16, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    Great article. And the exact reason(s) why the Utes were selected to the PAC.

    Ability to beat BCS teams and winning BCS bowl games.

    You need that to get the call from the big leagues.

  • Cougs4Life
    June 16, 2010 6:27 p.m.

    Won't happen. Utah just became the Minnesota or Mississippi State of the Pac-10...

  • Buster
    June 16, 2010 6:26 p.m.

    Chris, you are always so far out there.

    But, yes, Utah should be competative from the start.

    Kyle has a great team going, and the PAC-10 has been struggling.

    Might not be a good time to enter the Pac-12, but to get through the door when they are down, kick some tail and see how it plays out.

    This could really elevate the Utah program.

    Next step, is get a coach and compete in basketball.

  • Madden
    June 16, 2010 6:26 p.m.

    Good luck guys, I admit, I am jealous - still hoping for the Big 12 invite, though it sounds less likely every day : (

    BYU is still a pretty unique school that will do quite well despite this, but it certainly gives U the edge in-state for recruiting.

    This is great for all of my friends and neighbors who are Ute fans though, and for all of our kids who end up attending the U...will be nice for sports, but great for academics.

  • SportsFan
    June 16, 2010 6:18 p.m.

    wow Chris B, you owe me a new keyboard because I just spewed my chocolate milkshake all over it

    you make even the most crazed BYU fan sound rational

    the official announcement of Utah's move to the PAC 12 hasn't even been made yet and already you've got the Utes winning a national championship

    and Utah fans complained about BYU's Qwest


  • Jealous U
    June 16, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    Can't wait to see Chris B. wearing his red "Qwest" t-shirt when the Utes get shut out by a lowly Washington State team.

  • Solomon Levi
    June 16, 2010 5:58 p.m.

    The biggest question isn't whether Utah can beat PAC 10 teams, the Utes have proven that they can.

    The biggest question is whether Utah can beat good PAC 10 teams on the road consistently.

    Utah hasn't even been able to consistently win road games in the MWC and the Utes have an abysmal road record against PAC 10 teams.

    Utah hasn't had a road win over PAC 10 team with a winning record in over 10 years.

  • Chris B
    June 16, 2010 5:51 p.m.

    With the usc sanctions it is very likely we have a rose bowl win the first or second season. The pac 10 is not as dominant a before. No reason we can't run the table and make nc game within a few years. And it will be a real nc unlike the cewgs. Go utes!!