Red Butte Creek, Liberty Park, Jordan River affected
It looks as though now that we have little choice but to get away from the use
of oil as a total dependency.Of course as time goes on there also
the fact that humans become more and more careless so it may be altogether too
late.Not to mention the fact that people are becoming more and more
greedy which also brings on more carelessness!It has been said
that animal life is ignorant, I think that humans are much more ignorant as
humans seems to be the only ones that are destructive to our planet. If we don't
stop being so dependent on oil the planets destruction will be nigh!
My2cents wrote: “The safest use of oil is probably in gasoline, it gets
burned off in to other chemical compounds.”Yes, and those
“other chemical compounds” are poisonous to breathe. These poisons
get in our water and soil as well as air. They poison life.There
are plenty of alternatives to dirty oil, it’s just that the oil industry
doesn’t want you to understand that. Our science education here is pretty
pathetic, so people can try to fool us.Don’t be led by the
nose. Think for yourself and understand what we must do for the future, for the
planet, and for our children
To "the truth", you have selective amnesia.When will we get serious
about protecting our planet? What does it take to stop protecting old
industries and developing new ones that are more conducive to having a future
for humans? Seen the oil spill in the Gulf? How about the coal ash problems?
What about mountain top removal? The list goes on and on, all for old,
carbon-based industries who are spending billions to stop society from moving
So "mi2cents" wants to shut down all oil production to see how fast we can adapt
to other energy sources? This reminds me of the guy who owned a "trick donkey."
He just got the donkey trained to go without feed and he died!
What naive comments. Our way of life and economy are totally dependent upon
oil. Our economy depends upon growth. We want large families and this
requires growth. This growth is fueled by oil. Think about our food system: most
is transported from more than 1000 miles away Think about getting to work,
think about the travel transportation system: this is almost entirely oil
based. Oil has the highest net energy of all the fuel sources: the energy our
for the energy in. Solar and wind are not ever going to replace cheap oil.
Nuclear takes so much water that it's use will be limited. These other energy
sources will replace only a small amount of our oil needs. We cannot just change
the car fleet to electric: not overnight, not ever. So continue to drill baby
drill and deal with an occasional spill. It is well worth what we get from it.
Dear Reader,Oil problems seem to be getting WORSE around our fragile
WORLD!Love, The Old Goat
More spills to come? These pipelines are over 50 years old and I don't think
much thought was or has been given about maintaining and inspecting them when
they were buried.Over time with ground shifts, landslides, earth
tremors, erosion and corrosion, etc, these pipelines have been through some
major stresses. I think this is only the beginning. Internal corrosion from the
acids in oil has probably weakened these pipes more than we know.Though we depend on oil for gasoline, many more other companies depend on it
for other by products. Our economy, science, medicine, and manufacturing all
depend on oil. The safest use of oil is probably in gasoline, it gets burned off
in to other chemical compounds.If we want to stop depending on oil,
we will have to stop making steel, stop making electricity, turn off the TV's,
walk or ride a horse to work, and return to wooden framed and animal skinned
drums to communicate.We have to develop in responsible and limited
growth and drilling to slow down its use. But oil is ours and the world economy.
Finally some posts with a sense of humour, and then there was 'truth' making
it's commercial. They'd better clean it perfectly and make it better than it
was, or it will be Chevron's turn to watch black humors drain down the River
This is obviously Herbert's Katrina. Look at what a major contributor Chevron
has been (and other petrol companies, as well) to his campaign.And
'L' ("I'm not very good at figuring things out !") - Part of your problem is
you're assuming a barrel of oil is 55 gallons; it's not... a barrel of oil is 42
As long as we are an oil consuming society things like this will happen. It's
terribly unfortunate, but like I said...it'll happen til the end of time. Earth
just can't seem to win with us around.
The Truth - You left out a BIG one - 9/11Oops! That was the
Obama,beckerFunny, how all these bad thing happen
when democrats are in charge,OIl spills,recession,high
unemployment,skyrocketing national debt,Iranian hostage
crisis,nuclear bombs dropped,rogue nations gettng
nuclear capabity,patriot act made permanent, ww1, ww2,korean warvietnam war,kosovo,heightened war in
afghanistantrail of tears,germans interned in camps
(ww1)japanese interned in camps (ww2)military segregated
(wilson),thousands of people imprisoned for speaking out, businesses
shut down, newpapers shut down, fairness doctrine, (wilson, fdr, demcrat
contolled congresses)violent protests,it
goes on and on,coincidence???you
be the judge.
Just more examples of how big oil is 'safe'. Drill baby! Drill! -
Sarah Palin Drill here, Drill now. - GOP
Blame Obama. It's all Obama's fault. And the green gestapo. If it weren't for
them Chevron wouldn't have been forced to drill in Red Butte Canyon.
What a bunch of misdirection. . . why are we still even moving this stupid oil
around. We keep looking at the symptom instead of the cure. Shut all this oil
production down and see how fast we come up with alternatives to oil. HERE COMES
THE SUN LA LA LA LA. If we don't mother nature will fix the problem for us . .
. oh I mean eliminate the problem which is us.
@my slc 5:35What an inane comment. Either that, or in your
alternate reality (where Democrats had controlled Utah for the last couple of
decades) we wouldn't be using oil today. Wonder how they would have managed
that..... Check with your alternate reality seer and get back with us on that,
we'd all love to hear how we would not need oil anymore under their sage
Re: John Stewart PillPeter was there, there are pics, Becker has
already made a statement. The clean up crews are there. What the
heck do you want them to do? Jump in the oil and soak it up with their clothes?
This is so going to hurt the Utah GOP. I am sad about the loss of wildlife and
environment. But Tea Party folks, try to get out of this one.SLC,
and I believe Utah will not forget this one and your party stands regarding
drill baby drill.
As much as all the homeowners along the Jordan River and whose backyards were
havens and are now polluted are disgusted - can you imagine what it's like in
the Gulf right now? Can you imagine depending on your backyard to pay your
bills and to feed your family? That's what those in the Gulf area have been
dealing with for almost 2 months now. I hope it all gets cleaned up and that
human beings start really having a grasp on our responsibilities to the
environment, all life forms, and ourselves. All of our mistakes and
consequences of greed get passed on to our children and future generations.
This might turn out to be Carroon's Katrina.
Yikes. From the picture, it doesn't look good. Here's an idea -
let's fix the problem and sort out how to help the affected areas recover, and
NOT APPORTION BLAME until all the facts are known. In fact, let's not affix
blame for six months! By then it should be obvious what happened, and who to
lambast. IN the meantime this is a sad day for Liberty Park and Red Butte.
@Not_Scared:Not likely to be able to afford to go on a trip anywhere
near the Gulf of Alaska to call Rush Limbaugh if my boat (which I can't afford
one either) started sinking in this economy...No comment on Hoover
Dam (or Glen Canyon)...I'm a Edward Abbey fan and those who know Abbey would
know what he thinks of those projects...
Ho hum! Another day, another oil leak! Wake me up when the Big One hits!
Attentive 11:56 - Perfect comment! Thanks.
It is a darn shame. My prayers go out to all the folks and animals that live
downstream. We need to have oil for now, but what have learned since the 1973
oil embargo? Nothing.
They closed Liberty Park. Monday, Glen Beck will outline how Obama using money
from environmental groups planed this to be an attack on Liberty.
"Wasn't Chernobyl a government run facility?"Weren't those Navy
seals who rescued the captain off Somalia employed by our government? Wasn't it
government that built Hoover Dam? The government isn't going to take
over the oil industry. This is America, if your ship is sinking in a storm in
the Gluf of Alaska in Winter you are free to call Rush Limbaugh and not the US
Let's see 50 gallons per minute according to the story and 500 barrels
reported.500 barrels x 55 gallons each would = 27,500 gallons total
(that would run my car for awhile - refining loss)27,500 gallons /
50 gallons per minute = 550 minutes550 minutes / 60 = 9 hours or
so.It seems like there should be a meter device somewhere that tells
the operators that all the oil he is sending just isn't getting there and to
shut off the source. Maybe they do have that and they did shut it off
immediately and that was just the oil that was already in the lne draining
out.I'm not very good at figuring things out !Sure glad
it wasn't as much as in the Gulf, there might not be the same interest in
cleaning up the Great Salt Lake or the Jordan River and the wetlands.
Maybe the government should just take over the oil industry and these platforms
and pipelines.Then again...Wasn't Chernobyl a government
run facility? This has me thinking...
What's our natural deficit up to these days? Death to all species or just most
Earth can't get a break...
Didn't I just read where Sarah Palin said pipelines on land, above ground, are
much safer and less likely to cause spills?
Not to be outdone by BP...... The cause - It's Obama's fault. And
why hasn't he stopped that leak as well. Just plain incompetence.
Authorities are advising that you keep your children and pets away from the Red
Butte stream in places like the Miller Bird Refuge (aka Hobbit Glen) in the