Census Bureau shows number of blacks in Utah up 7.2% in a year

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  • Clarissa
    June 14, 2010 3:38 p.m.

    I certainly hope that this man reported to the school what his son had been called. That is breaking school district rules. The children should have had some consequences and been written up. As a newly retired school teacher, I can tell you that such language was never tolerated in my class or in our school. It was in elementary school, not junior high or high school. The language there is appalling. It is just another form of bullying.

  • get'er done
    June 12, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    Join the army and see people for who they are, not what color the may be. Stop looking for reasons to use color as an excuse. Athletics and the military are the two places where you'll find very little racism because you are forced to get to know people and the color issue goes away. It goes both ways, poor me or poor them.

  • cu4real
    June 11, 2010 5:17 p.m.

    I am always surprised about Utah being so defensive about “diversity.”
    I enjoyed living in Oklahoma City, but Mr. Hotchkins exaggerates the demographic differences of SLC and OKC. I've also lived in Detroit and Atlanta - they are different than SLC - but I would never tell anyone in those cities that I had a hard time finding white people to be with and it was difficult getting away from all those black people.
    With all the LDS missionaries that have been to "everywhere" and a global religion headquartered in Utah, I would expect more self confidence in Utah. I don't think Utah has anything to apologize about, especially compared to other regions of the US.
    As far as the “N” word — I hear it constantly used in Atlanta, by African Americans. The use of that word by Southern whites has been nearly eliminated. In my experience, I have never heard a white person in Georgia use the word in nearly a decade of living there. Times and people do change.

  • ER in AF
    June 11, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    Boy! I need to re-read before hitting enter. Debra Sue not Dedra. Oh and I love the photo. I live in Rwanda and it is an example of what I was talking about. The barbershop. I have to look high and low for someone who knows how to cut my ultra-minority white hair. I understand that when a person is looking to mold their appearance through something such as a haircut, you want someone who understands you and in this instance your hair. Perspective is everything. I am grateful for gaining a little.

  • ER in AF
    June 11, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    Thank Dedra Sue for putting words to what I was feeling. Rather than looking for opportunities to be offended, why don't we look for opportunities to be enlightened. I live in a place that I am very different physically and culturally. I am happy for all of the times I can see things in a different light than I would have if I just kept on keeping on in the smae way I always have. I lived in China before that and felt even more different and also gain so much.

    I ask that we focus on the article and our own interaction with others so that we may be more rather than become less.

  • Scooter
    June 11, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    No Way!
    How Did This Happen!

    I, of course, refer to such a stupid article. The only people that worry about the color of a persons skin are those that want to keep racism on the front burner!

    The reason the 'Census' counts races is only to 'Gerrymander' congressional districts ... honest people KNOW that it is the truth!

  • Debra Sue
    June 11, 2010 3:29 p.m.

    As a native Utahn and an African American I would like to ask those of you so frustrated or angry by Mr. Hotchkins comments to ask yourself why there is so much defensiveness when a person shares an experience that is not yours. If you could do that then possibly there could be an opportunity for greater understanding and improvement. We don't share the same experiences. It is an easy way out to say I play the race card when I tell you my experience rather than seek to understand something that may tell you something about our community. The position of minimizing it by shutting down the conversation by saying it's the "race card" allows a community to be ignorant and not be a part of improving race relations. I would welcome greater understanding and respect for anyone to be able to be honest about their life experience!

  • Mom of 2
    June 11, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    I think it's kind of strange that the man in this story was so surprised that there are few blacks in his neighborhood. It's Utah. Everybody in the country could tell you that there are more blacks in, say, Georgia than in Utah. It shouldn't come as a surprise to move to a neighborhood here and be the only ones on the block. We need more diversity here, anybody could tell you that.

  • juaneco
    June 11, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Please read these and think about it:

    I was born in Mexico of good Mexican Parents. "After I finished my mission,was time to choose a University and I wanted BYU. I got a student visa and It took me a year to pass the TOEFL. But now I changed my mind, I want to go to UVU instead. The environment there isn’t as 'self-righteous' and 'discriminatory'."


    "I feel Mexican inside but I am so glad my skin is white and not 'brown', coz kids at school treet me way better then my sister who's quit browner than me. I am sooo lucky!"

    The first one comes from my journal in 1994, the second one from my son's journal in 2006, while he was attending elementary school.

    I think I agree with abr2116, unless you or your kids have had to go though feeling like this it will be very hard for you to understand. But I also agree with those here who explain that as long as someone is "feeling sorry about himself" or "victimized" then that person will always have an excuse to remain mediocre or expect charity and hand downs.

  • UtahUte16
    June 11, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    "...That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes..."
    -Bob Maryley

  • juaneco
    June 11, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    In my experience I’ve noticed that most of us tend to "react" to experiences and "understand" communications, like the article and the postings here, on a personal frame of reference; which is made out of our parent’s teachings, our culture and level of education, our fears and feelings, our life's previous experiences and our religious beliefs.
    I am a white Hispanic living in a 5000 sf home in a beautiful, peaceful, middle income Lehi neighborhood and my kids have been called all kinds of expletives.
    So when I read his comment "not see white people for days if I don't want to" I understood it as he saying "if I wanted to escape the name-calling, people staring at my family, feeling uncomfortable, not answer the too often asked "so...what made you come to Utah?" question, etc. for a few days, I could."
    However, after I started to read other people's perspective and how THEY took it as an offense and as a racist comment then I read it again and understood how that can be.
    I wish we could all become less easily offended and more open minded

  • abr2116
    June 11, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    As Utahns we tend to get a little bit hyper-sensitive about things, lets all relax for a minute and think about what the gentleman is saying.

    Before commenting on race you need to ask yourself, have I ever been a minority? If you are white, Mormon, and live in Utah, you probably don't have much right to criticize a black man on racial issues. After all, as Mormons we don't have the best track record on issues relating to race.

  • Tom
    June 11, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    It is kind of funny that us white people have to be so sensitive, We have received the majority of the perks in this country over its history. Why can't we just read the article and say "that is interesting" or something like that. Why when we make up such a large percentage of the population would we want to get defensive.

  • utah guy
    June 11, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    Sheesh. How about if we try to be accomodating to people of all races who move to our fine state for employment, education, or whatever the reason? Some of you look for an argument when one doesn't exist. Arguing over sematincs and statistics is just unproductive. I have a family member (in-law) who is black and was transferred here for work. She loves it here and never plans to leave.

  • Fiddler
    June 11, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    John Pack, who cares what the percentage is? When you say that 1.8% is very low, isn't that the same as saying that 98.2% is very high? I think a lot of people say things to score points with the other race. I'm fine with the percentage the way it is and could care less if it moves up or down.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 11, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    In the full figures at the end of the article the total lack of any listing of either other or "more than one race", which is two generalized categories avoided, makes it unclear if these are single reporting categories or if they are only including one-race reports in the counts.

    Also, if the figures are what they say they are, many Hispanics are under the heading white. Being Hispanic is not a race according to census liturature. However, in realistic usage most Hispanics are not considered white.

    A last issue is, are Turks white? It might not be that big an issue, but after reading the report on Beahive Academy I know there are some Turks in Utah, so it is a question that must be considered.

    With all the talk of refugees from Somalia and other countries in Africa, I think the reported should have gone and actually talked to a refugee.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 11, 2010 10:08 a.m.

    How do these stats count people like Mayor Loves' children, only one of whom had been born by 2000? As the daughter of Haitian immigrants she is clearly black, but since her husband is white, how do her children get reported. There are many mixed race couples, the Boyes and the Baileys come to mind quickly, which is an angle the article fails to address.

    Also, not all immigrants are refugees. Amram Musunga is an immigrant from Kenya but no refugee. While attending BYU I knew many international students from Africa.

    A third group not addressed is adoptees. Whether international adoptees or adoptees from other states who are black they also contribute to an increse in the number of blacks.

    Still, 1.8% is very low.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 11, 2010 9:56 a.m.

    It is sad to see how racist some people are. The 1:13 commentator is clearly racist. I just hope someone decides his comments are offensive and removes them. I clearly think they are.

    Of the black people in my ward, one is a college graduate and the other two are college students. Since my ward is a singles ward with about 50 people this is not bad.

    Of the black people in my stake, we have an assistant US attorney, a head of a helath-care company who run for congress as a Republican in Colorado in 2000 but did not prevail, a high school ROTC director, and several other upstanding and educated people.

  • Fiddler
    June 11, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    LOL, Screwdriver, your post is a perfect example of what white people have to go through. Everything we say about the matter, racist or not, is racist in the eyes of some black people. I've stopped caring about that a long time ago though. I'm going to say what I am going to say and if someone gets offended then oh well. Keep playing the martyr, we'll see how well a full life of feeling sorry for your self turns out.

  • raybies
    June 11, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    IMO, it was a racist statement. He equates the viewing of white people (generally considered the caucasian race) with racist experiences he's endured.

    Sadly when you are programmed to see yourself as a victim, you seldom see how you victimize others.

  • Screwdriver
    June 11, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    Billy Bob's statement.

    He was making a point that there ARE SO FEW blacks in UTAH.

    Obviously Utah is the hardest nut to crack un the U.S. Mabey Idaho is right up there though. Montana possibly.

    Anyway you are clearly upset at the thought of a lot of black people moving to Utah. Try not to blow a gasket.

  • Chris B
    June 11, 2010 8:45 a.m.

    Billy Bob and Fiddler,

    AGREED! I was dismayed when I read that racist statement. The NAACP would be going screaming racism if a white man were to say they can go to certain places and not see blacks if they wanted to. Unbelievable. Sad that this guy's kid was called a terrible word. But I have a hard time feeling truly sorry for someone when the NAACP already does too well of a job of convincing the black community to feel sorry for themselves.

    This man should be ashamed for his hypocritical racist statement.

    I too have a dream that one day my children will be treated not by the color of their skin, and my kids are white. It appears clear there are many who go to certain places to avoid people like my children for days at a time simply because they are white

  • Screwdriver
    June 11, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    That's just sad that his son was called the n-word a couple weeks after starting school. I can't imagine how isolated that kid will feel if that continues. I'm hopefully confident that normal people will be the kid's friend.

    I've lived in Utah, it's the only place I met an honest Neo-Nazi person.

    Even my family menbers that are LDS in Utah are a little bigoted I have to say. They aren't living up to LDS standards in that respect which is sad seeing how they are hispanic/white themselves.

  • RealityCheck
    June 11, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    The problem I have with Hotchkins is that he's criticizing the school and state that gave him his teaching assistantship, which he was not able to get in Oklahoma. I'm sorry that there are more white people than you'd like here, but perhaps you should just be grateful for the opportunity that you were given here that you weren't given elsewhere.

  • Fiddler
    June 11, 2010 8:11 a.m.

    shintara, are you kidding??? "there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see white people for days if I want to", that doesn't sound racist??? Substitute white with the word black in that sentance. "there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see black people for days if I want to". If that was quoted by a white person, they'd never be able to live it down.

    Is there racism in the state? Country? Of course, is it what it was 50 years ago? Not even close. Once the race card disappears, so will most racism. Once people can stop playing the victim, a lot of their problems will also go away.

  • shintara
    June 11, 2010 7:44 a.m.

    Re: Billy Bob

    what exactly was racist about his statement? It seems pretty factual to me. The amount of racism that exists in Utah is abhorrent.

  • Billy Bob
    June 11, 2010 1:30 a.m.

    "In Oklahoma, there are places I can go and not experience racism and not see white people for days if I want to," Hotchkins said. "There's no places like that in Salt Lake." (said in the part of why there are challenges for blacks living in Utah)

    Um... lets see here. You imply Utah is racist... and then make a comment that sounds a bit racist itself (yes, believe it or not, racism CAN go both ways). Dude, chill, and don't be so hypocritical. I think it is good that there is beginning to be more racial diversity in Utah, but not if they all have this attitude.

  • Munk
    June 11, 2010 12:16 a.m.

    Excellent. As time goes on this place becomes even more vibrant culturally. This also tells me that the increase means that people are understanding what a great place this is to live, no matter what your ethnicity.

  • Munk
    June 11, 2010 12:07 a.m.

    Excellent. As time goes on this place becomes even more vibrant culturally. This also tells me that the increase means that people are understanding what a great place this is to live, no matter what your ethnicity.