Islamic links to Utah's Beehive Academy probed

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  • lookbeyond
    June 15, 2010 7:05 a.m.

    If anyone really cares about what our students are being taught in some of the Charter schools then they should do a little of their own research. For starters they can access "Fethullah Gulen's Grand Ambition, Turkey's Islamist Danger" by Rachel Sharon-Krespin, MIDDLE EAST QUARTERLY, Winter 2009,pp.55-66

    Keep your head in the sand, all who choose not to recognize the danger this man presents here in America. Join with Homeland Security by ignoring this clear and present danger.....

    While you're at it if you really care, perhaps an investigation into CAIR, MIDDLE EAST QUARTERLY, Winter 2002....."How CAIR Put My Life in Peril" could help us understand more clearly the dangers of radical Muslims in America. We may not want to believe these influences are gaining power in our society and threatening our very freedoms, but it is time to wake up to real world around us and recognize the threats to us......ask yourself again, "just how did Obama, an unknown, unqualified person, one who is surrounded by those associated with known terrorist groups, GET ELECTED????

  • Threebearporridge
    June 8, 2010 7:28 p.m.

    I know that many schools are having financial problems. What most schools DON'T do to try and fix them is lie to the state about their enrollment numbers (inflating them by almost 100%) to increase their monthly payments, "negotiate" $33,000 / month leases on office buildings that won't hold enough students to make ends meet and then refuse to pay teachers for 2 months... They don't ask people to submit receipts for services rendered that they aren't paid for and then count that in the budget as money spent. These are NOT the actions of honorable or ethical people...

  • bstastudent
    June 8, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    That surprises me, I know dozens of students who love and support the school. But obviously, I was referring to my perspective.

  • Leesha
    June 8, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    bstastudent, not a perfect school from all students perspective. Many stated they didn't care if the school closed down, and some said they hoped it did. These are in the comment section of ksl the day it ran the story of the school walkout.

  • What in the world?
    June 7, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    In response to "Fivenickels" actually this isn't an old story, if you would research you would see that this is getting bigger and bigger. And as far as financial problems, no other school in the state is having these kind of financial problems. These are tax dollars, so I don't really care what you think, because I and everyone else who wants to see this school shut down has a right to comment and have input into whether or not this school should be in operation. If you want them to be in operation then you and your Gulenite friends can reopen as a private school, then you can do as you please, but don't start dictating to the rest of us about this!
    And on a calmer note to "bstastudent" I'm sure you hadn't heard of Gulen before, he is very secretive, in fact this is in large part the problem with Beehive being a Gulen school. But rest assured it has never been suggested that they are teaching Islam there, but there are definite problems with gulen and charter schools to find out more.

  • bstastudent
    June 7, 2010 9:17 p.m.

    What in the world? -
    I actually had not heard of him before these articles, and I'm not sure why everybody is so concerned about Beehive being a "Gulen School" if that's the case.

  • Fivenickels
    June 7, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    This is an old story about the Gulen Movement. The Charter Board investigated, and found that is a non-issue. It is bothersome that the reporter starts her article with it. Show me one school in this state that isn't having some financial problems. Our tax dollars go to all kinds of things that I disagree with, that doesn't make them wrong. If you don't like the teachers or the administration... use your feet and don't send your children there, but leave the rest of us alone who want this kind of diversity for our kids education.

  • What in the world?
    June 7, 2010 8:16 p.m.

    I have a question for "bstastudent", why do you say that if anyone would have mentioned Fethullah Gulen everybody would have accused them of religious indoctrination? Had you ever heard of Gulen before these articles? Besides everyone says that Gulen and his cronies are just academics and don't have anything to do with religion.

  • bstastudent
    June 7, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    If anybody at my school would have mentioned Fettullah Gulen, I guarantee everybody would have accused them of religious indoctrination. From a student's perspective, Beehive is perfect.

  • Leesha
    June 7, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    bstastudent, I would feel better if you HAD heard of Fettullah Gulen while attending the school. That would have indicated some openess on the part of the school. Perhaps then the argument that he his virtuous, or at least harmles might have been plausible.

  • What in the world?
    June 7, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Scat, where is that you are finding the posts that say that Beehive should be closed because of it's Muslim connection? The problems are 1. Terrible financial control. 2. The school's connection to Fethullah Gulen, and their resultant secrecy about this connection. Why don't you go down to the school and ask them directly whether they are connected or not? If they say they are not, there is plenty of information that says otherwise. If they say they are, then ask them to explain why they have threatened legal action against those that say they are part of the FGC? So many questions, yet all you can do is pull out the race/religion card. Do some research and maybe you will learn something that will supplement your "public school education"!

  • EducationTRUTH
    June 6, 2010 3:52 p.m.

    You make a valid point. But I can tell you NO state, county, or city is going to close a school down because of Islamic (Sufi Islam in this case) beliefs or immigration of Teachers with questionable teaching credentials.
    That is walking into a grey slippery slop area that could potentially mean lawsuits from Gulen himself. So instead, the schools IMO will be closed because of all the shenanigans surrounding all the foundations, private donors, TAX DOLLARS and money used to promote Turkey and not our children. Lots of co-mingling going on with Accord, Cosmos, Raindrop, Pacifica, et al. Check out their 990 IRS tax returns some time.

  • EducationTRUTH
    June 6, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    1) Gulen has only a 12th grade education, his expanded education is in Islamic Theology
    2) Gulen has a well documented court case Gulen vs. US Homeland Security (google it)
    3) Gulen is connected to Beehive and to the other schols through his various foundations, he is estimated to be valued at $52 Billion. Don't forget he owns: Insurance companies, Media (to fool dumb Americans), Banks, Schools and much more.
    4) He is the most powerful and controversal Islamic person in the world. Surprise-Surpise he lives in seculsion on 200 acre compound in Poconos, PA
    5) Creeping jihad seeps into: Education, Media, Corpations and governemnts.

    Looks like Gulen has managed to make fools of all of you while he laughs all the way to the bank.

  • bstastudent
    June 6, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    I am a student at Beehive, and as far as I'm concerned, it is an amazing school. In terms of education, this is the best school I have ever attended, and I have attended some of the best schools in Utah. I'm not sure what it is about Beehive- the teachers, the students pride in the school, the diverse environment, or a combination of things, but it really is a great school. It definitely deserves to stay open.
    And to all of you who are so paranoid about the Gulen thing... I have never once heard anything about Fettullah Gulen at my school. I had never even heard his name until all these articles about Beehive came out.

  • Scat
    June 6, 2010 1:40 a.m.

    Good grief... I'm starting to think that most of you here have a public education and reading comprehension level of about a 1st grader. Let's see if I can make this any more clear.

    I UNDERSTAND that the State Charter Board Commission is closing the school due to MONETARY NEGLIGENCE. My comments about ties to Islam were directed at the posters here that seem to have a religious bias towards those of a different belief system. In the eyes of these bigoted posters the school should be closed for no other reason than the Muslim affiliation.

  • Scat
    June 5, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    Good grief... I'm starting to think that most of you here have a public education and reading comprehension level of about a 1st grader. Let's see if I can make this any more clear.

    I UNDERSTAND that the State Charter Board Commission is closing the school due to MONETARY NEGLIGENCE. My comments about ties to Islam were directed at the posters here that seem to have a religious bias towards those of a different belief system. In the eyes of these bigoted posters the school should be closed for no other reason than the Muslim affiliation.

  • Leesha
    June 5, 2010 5:12 p.m.

    In response to dragon1, I would like to say that the comment that "The school may not have been started by "business men" they don't see it as just a business, they will make mistakes but that is what the past is for, to remember so you don't mess up again." is right, they see this as a missionary endeavor. And when you have "messed up again" and again why should you and your friends get another chance?

  • EducationTRUTH
    June 5, 2010 4:05 p.m.

    Let me answer some of your questions/concerns:
    Beehive and the rest the Gulen Charter schools operatate on the cheap because they import uncredentialed teachers to the USA under a HB-1 Visa which is suspect. The teachers donate 40% back to the "foundation" overseeing that particular school. So they pay these foreign teachers peanuts.
    Secondly to the Beehive student who never had Islam pushed off on him. Read up on what Creeping Jihad or Turkification is. Gulen works like other cults, grabe the education, corporations and media. into the veins.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 5, 2010 2:25 p.m.

    I still would like to hear from people connected with Beahive Academy if they believe the Armenian Genocide is a real event. This is an angle that the story totally ignores.

  • What in the world?
    June 5, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    "Dragon-1" you are correct that the Turkish teachers don't share their connection to Gulen with the students or the other (American) teachers, this would be in direct violation of the Organizational and discursive strategies of the Gulen Movement (google it, you will find it on Gulen's own web sites). They are very friendly and they do get along well with each other and the other teachers, but don't cross them because then you will see their true nature. This is a very well orchestrated movement and it has been in operation for close to 40 years, they know how to manipulate you and your government. But when they are exposed for what and who they really are they immediately begin the legal threats. Yet they say that they look up to Gulen and his movement, so why do they threaten to sue anyone who suggests that they are connected? There sure a lot of questions when it comes to Gulen and his minions!

  • Dragon-1
    June 5, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    From what i understood is that the connections that the teachers have are personal and do not share it with the students or some of the other teachers to. it is how if you went to another country you would stay in connection with what is happening at home. While there i never heard them mention of Gulen, It is a really friendly environment there, I have not seen very many schools that ALL the teachers love teaching the student and get along with one another.

    The school may not have been started by "business men" they don't see it as just a business, they will make mistakes but that is what the past is for, to remember so you don't mess up again.

    there has been a lot of construction at beehive like office rooms to classes, a gym that they can go in for winter during PE. It costs a lot to tear down and build walls and to ready it as a school. I don't know where the other expenses go, but teachers there have taken their own salary to pay for supplies that they want in class.

  • Kelly
    June 5, 2010 12:36 a.m.

    "Scat" I don't see who is suggesting that the school be closed due to the Turkish or Muslim teachers. There is however considerable angst about the connection to the FGC (Fethullah Gulen Community), perhaps if they would have been more open about this people wouldn't have been so concerned. This combined with the financial irregularities is a combination fraught with disaster.

  • What in the world?
    June 5, 2010 12:21 a.m.

    The problem that Beehive seems to be having is that they can't fill the seats with students, however they certainly seem to be able to find plenty of questionably credentialed foreign teachers. I agree with "sir blackstone" the lack of transparency is a huge problem. If the parents are not only not told about the affiliation with Gulen, but are even lead to believe that this is all just made up, then how can they make a good decision? The Gulen organization is starting to finally fess up that yes they are running charter schools in the U.S., do you really think that it is merely a coincidence that Beehive was started by Turks?

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 4, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    To Scat,
    The school is not being closed because it has Turkish and Muslim teachers. It is being closed because it is in the red, because it does not have properly credentialed teachers and evidently because of inadequate services to special ed students.

    Also, the school is not being closed per se. Its right to be a charter is being revoked. I am pretty sure they could continue operating as a private school where the parents themselves provide the money for it to operate. Whether or not the school could run in such a matter is another question, but the state is only ending its existence as a charter school, it could try to be a private school.

  • Kelly
    June 4, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    Yes it is true that it is hard to hold to a budget, but any business who is financially irresponsible will go out of business, that is a cold hard fact. Beehive has had five years to make fiscal decisions which would rectify their financial problems. Yet only after receiving the threat of closure did they start doing anything, and the manner in which they did it is not a good business model. They stated that 100,000 dollars in loans were forgiven, but unfortunately you can't rely on your debtors forgiving your debts. Charter schools are supposed to be run as a business, and as such they need to demonstrate fiscal responsibility, it is a shame that this hasn't been the case with Beehive Academy, but the facts are irrefutable. Whether or not they are Muslims or Turks, isn't the point, neither is the quality of the education provided. The bottom line is that as a business they have to perform or they will not succeed.

  • sir blackstone
    June 4, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Mr. Lambert, Perhaps you should go back to questioning and ask yourself the question: If they are not spending 300 thousand dollars on textbooks, what are they spending it on? Maybe this is a farce. If it is, then it is exremely well orchestrated with a lot of strange coincidences. Perhaps the parents did research but didn't find anything. After all, didn't Mr. K. Wayment accuse them of non-transparency? I don't know what information was given out and what was withheld. It seems that Mr. Wayment did a lot of researching but I didn't start until it was already out there.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 4, 2010 9:12 p.m.

    Well, the end of the second page answered my question. This school got results.

    If "outsourced" teaching by Turkish teachers is producing better performing students than the regular system, what is bad about it? Evidently with low spending on textbooks and a low quality building there is still a high quality of education going on.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan
    June 4, 2010 9:08 p.m.

    No one is forced to attend a charter school. These parents wilfully sent their children to it. If they did not investiage enough to know the teachers were not qualified, whose fault is that?

    In some ways, I can not figure out why parents sent their children there at all. Maybe I will before I finish the article, but the first two pages provided no insight on the matter.

  • sir blackstone
    June 4, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Perhaps logicalone thought that I was referring to them. In reality I was responding to dragon-1.
    I would also admonish scat to offer some proof that the other posters are xenophobes. I find it quite distasteful when people throw around titles especially if I am possibly grouped with those people. But if you feel you have a valid arguement by all means do expound

  • Dragon-1
    June 4, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    well thank you for pointing that out sir blackstone. My mistake, yes i do believe that there are some non-innocent Turkish and Muslim people.

    It seems, from what i have found out, that the American teachers are great friends with these other teachers so it is not the problem about what kind of people they are.

    the school has been converted from an office building to a school, a lot of funding went into building the classrooms and buying the lockers and desks there. the school has been only around for 5 years now, it is hard for any business, school, or just adult to be very sound in the budgets. If it is true that there debt is not as bad as other charter schools and is getting better then their is no reason to close it for money reasons.

  • Fivenickels
    June 4, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Wow! This is just amazing, listening to all of this hatred of people you know nothing about. You read a story and believe everything that is in it. Have any of you met the people running this school. They are some of the most honorable people I have ever met. Financial irresponsibility? Who is to judge that? The school board, are you serious? The government? Really? Come on now people where is the common sense here. If your child doesn't go there... what do you care if BSTA is open? Because of your tax money? Seriously, if your child is in traditional school, you have no idea what goes on there either. Let this school remain open for the students who deserve and high quality education, that would be lost in the traditional system

  • shnorpleblat(ywoodiwonturilname)
    June 4, 2010 6:22 p.m.

    My take: what the owners are doing is wrong, but they don't see it that way. Good faith has to come grips with reality, if "good faith" is what it really is. It does provide a great deal of ethical leeway to do things in "good faith", but some things are simply mis-representative and abusive of influence, which become as much and even more so a problem than being an outright oppressor. Our own society if filled with self inflicted and aliased oppressors of their own, but it is ultimately against the values of liberty to leverage our system to promote an agenda no matter how legally codified and justifiable it is. Governments should not be about policing everything, but where the "police" have no power, you've simply handed over the policing to those who would like to enforce their own rule in a country that does have a representative government and one not made by people who feel it is alright to play favorites. Of course our government is rife with political pocketing, but those who want essentially no government simply want more power to themselves to influence than they should also.

  • Scat
    June 4, 2010 5:35 p.m.

    Kelly, I understand why the board is closing the school. I'm referring to the xenophobic posters here that would close the school simply because of the Turkish and Muslim teachers.

  • Kelly
    June 4, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    They are not closing the school because there are Turkish teachers and Muslims. The board indicated their decision was made only due to financial irresponsibility.

  • Scat
    June 4, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    The level of paranoia here is astounding. I can understand closing the school if it has been financially negligent but closing it because there are Turkish teachers and Muslims working there?

  • logicalone
    June 3, 2010 9:18 p.m.

    that is just my opinion and you dont have to agree with me sir blackstone...

  • sir blackstone
    June 3, 2010 9:00 p.m.

    Ah, but the fault in your logic is that it appears that you are saying that since all americans are not innocent all Turks and Muslims are. You can also state your argument in another way by switching Americans with Turkish and Muslims. We just go around in circles without getting anywhere. In the future, please only use worthwhile logic...

  • Dragon-1
    June 3, 2010 7:47 p.m.

    you Know Americans are not all innocent as you believe to be, after all not to long ago and still today the KKK who are WHITE AMERICANS tried to wipe out the entire black race, are all Americans innocent? so what makes ALL Turkish and Muslims EVIL? have you talked to a Muslim about what is happening in the middle east. They say that that is wicked and don't believe in that crap, sure there are that do but have not found one yet.

    so all this talk about the Turkish teachers what about the American teachers?

  • bettercomments
    June 3, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    Lets chop it up. Make school year round for all kids so we can keep up. Change the whole system fundamentally instead of adding these unsupervised outliers to the system.

    My tax dollars are paying to fly foreigners here to employ them for PRIMARY education? We need that???

    Who's idea was this unsupervised system? If it's not some conspiracy it's at least nepotism at the expense of my pocketbook funneling 40% of their salaries (paid by you and I) to some underground entity!

  • EarlPittsOffAmerica
    June 3, 2010 6:55 p.m.

    can you say INFILTRATION. Utah is NOT the only place this is taking place. Do some research on Beehive and you will find a trail that leads to schools all over Texas and Louisiana. THIS IN NOT AN ACCIDENT.

  • ParanoidLately
    June 3, 2010 5:28 p.m.

    This is all tired, old "news"! Kelly Wayment ran to the SL Tribune last year at this same time to cry wolf. Did no one notice the comments by Brian Allen last year!

    "Allen sifted through the financial and administrative misconduct allegations, put in a cautionary call to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and officially declared the school free of any involvement in the Glen Movement."

    Why is this even in the papers again, once again in an effort to appear informed, Deseret News has rehashed an old story. "Islamic links to Utah's Beehive Academy probed" is an intentional slander, the school isn't being investigated, it had been and was CLEARED. The title should have been "Gullible reporter listens to rantings of paranoid busybody and re-states old Tribune story".

    Amen to your comments Logicalone!

  • RPM1337
    June 3, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    Look, you can't believe everything you read. I went to BSTA (beehive academy) for 7th and 8th grade. I'm just about done with 9th grade there, as well. It has been nothing but good to me. My teachers are the best in the state, no doubt about it. Just because Kelly Wayment didn't like our teachers doesn't mean that they're a bunch of terrorists. My mom tried to look up the same information, and she couldn't find any connection at all.
    And the financial issues? There are VERY few charter schools that DON'T have financial issues.
    Ive ready a few of the comments of this page and noticed that there are a lot of hateful and bigoted things in here. You cannot judge my teachers and our school just by what Kelly Wayment and the deseret news said.
    You want to know what's really going down at the school? Why don't you interview some of the students and teachers.
    OH, and by the way. We DO have a world war II class, thank you very much.
    PS What the heck is Gooseflesh?

  • logicalone
    June 3, 2010 4:56 p.m.

    I would like to define two terms:
    Terrorism:the use of violence(or the threat of violence)against civilians in order to attain goals.
    Terrorist:One that engages in terrorism.
    By these definitions I have concluded that here in America we have more american terrorists than Muslim or Turkish terrorists. According to this definition all murderers, serial killers, gang members, and sex offenders are all terrorists. They use violent measures and or threaten people to attain their certain goals. How in the world can we compare the Turkish teachers to this? Who are we to judge people? I am truly disgusted how us Americans categorize all the "other" or "different" people meaning not Americans. Most if not all Muslims who are true Muslims are as patriotic as you and I. Put yourself in their position and read all of these hurtful comments and tell me how you would feel. I am sick of all this bigotry and all of this nonsense. Please start acting like true nonjudgemental Americans that dont care where people are from or what they believe in!

  • kiapolo
    June 3, 2010 4:17 p.m.


    Wow. I can't believe that this was the only comment posted on the FIRST PAGE of comments that got the story right! I am a student who attends beehive and have several friends who where in the mentioned "protest". It was indeed to protest the suspension of one of our teachers, whom was well liked amongst the student body, and not the closing of the school. I mean, think about it. Why would students LEAVE the classroom to protest their school closing? Also, calling it a fine piece of reporting? I think not. People need to think about the facts that are presented to them, rather than simply following them blindly. Maybe they need to start thinking independently, rather than immediately absorbing the ideas of other people who they believe are "in the know." Ugh.

  • dancer
    June 3, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    I am sorry, I am tired...I should of said..."I am not deluding myself..."

  • dancer
    June 3, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Until the appeals hearings are through, Beehive will stay open. I do not wear rose colored glasses. I am not deluded myself. I am doing my job. It is sad that the posters here don't realize that there are good, dedicated people at Beehive who will lose their jobs if the school is closed. I know, I know, close the school, get rid of the Muslims, send them back from where they came...but what about the other lives that are being affected? Let the appeals run their course. Let the courts and the school board decide the fate of Beehive and the students and the teachers.

  • Pondoora
    June 3, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    This comment window doesn't permit URLs so google "charter school scandals" and go to the post about Sonoran Science Academy - Tucson. There you will learn about the Arizona network. A great deal of information as been added in the comments section there.

  • What in the world?
    June 3, 2010 12:38 a.m.

    Dancer, Dancer, Dancer, do you really think that pretending that Beehive hasn't been closed down will make it so? I feel sorry for the poor saps who are blithely enrolling their kids in the school, what don't they ever read the paper? When the school doesn't open in the fall their enrollment fees will head to Turkey along with the Gulen followers. But at least it wont be more of our tax dollars!

  • Leesha
    June 3, 2010 12:23 a.m.

    In the article Mr. Biyik is quoted as saying that "Some teachers "might be influenced" by Gulen, but, in Turkey almost everyone knows him and gets acquainted with his ideas via mass media and such." In perusing the face book page of one of these so called teachers I saw a post by the teacher that said "I love Fethullah" and this superimposed on a picture of her jumping up in the air. Quite an influence, huh? This quote by this Gulen administrator is just more of the same old disingenuous comments that come out of Beehive Academy. They are much more than influenced by Gulen, they are in the words of the article "marionettes" and Fethullah Gulen is the "puppeteer".

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 2, 2010 6:42 p.m.

    I have also never heard that the terrorists where not Muslim nor have I heard anyone (Muslim or not) deny this. If this “other side” to Islam is an enemy to the extremists, you would think that most Muslims would stand up and fight against it.
    I have never heard of a “Muslim revival”. If you have, do tell. In history though, there have been numerous wars that have been called Jihads.

  • schoolfraud
    June 2, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    Need more proof?

    Read charter school watchdog ...

  • Threebearporridge
    June 2, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: These "peaceful and friendly" supporters are some of the same ones who sent me abusive and in one case, threatening emails for daring to question the personnel practises at Beehive. Rose colored glasses anyone???

  • charter school dad
    June 2, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    LDS Liberal--what did you read one story? Gulen's website? Give me a break.....there are thousands of articles out there and if you are a good researcher you will want to really look into this. It sounds like you have barely scratched the surface. I am not a bigot in anyway and to accuse me of that is totally unfair. If you took some time and looked into things instead of getting so defensive you might find that Beehive probably paid a lot of money to the accord institute. They are broke because they didn't manage money in a responsible way. Accord=Gulen so where did their money go?

  • LDS Liberal
    June 2, 2010 4:02 p.m.

    charter school dad | 3:38 p.m.

    "Gulen Movement"

    I would urge posters to google and see what's going on.


    Thanks for the tip....

    I did just as you said,
    I found them to be even more peaceful and friendly than the Beehive Academy supporters.

    Holy Cow, what is your problem?
    Blind Bigotry??

  • Threebearporridge
    June 2, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    Charter School Dad: But wouldn't it be nice if people actually did research the issue? I bet there are people on both sides of the fence that would say "Oh! I didn't know that"...

  • Threebearporridge
    June 2, 2010 3:51 p.m.

    Charter School Dad: You're absolutely right that there is more going on than meets the eye - just what the "more" is would obviously be not only open to interpretation, but is what's really divisive here. But the school is not being closed for those reasons and to imply that they are is offensive to the people who had to look at the situation and make the judgement call. If anything, I suspect that the simple fact that there is a strong minority presence in the school and administration forced the charter school board to exercise an overabundance of caution and, as a result, allowed the school to go on for a lot longer than it should have...

  • charter school dad
    June 2, 2010 3:44 p.m.

    In this article you have a teacher from a Gulen school coming forward to say her husband, who is Turkish, was forced to give 40% of his salary back,to the movement. Perhaps some of these Turkish teachers are victims. Maybe they don't realize they have to give that amount back until they get here and if they don't comply their visas are taken. This is a big movement folks that is very organized. Research on the internet...there is a lot out there.

  • charter school dad
    June 2, 2010 3:38 p.m.

    Threebearporridge* I both agree and disagree with you...YES the school may have been closed for those reasons but it you look at the much larger picture...the Gulen Movement, of which these teachers and administrators are a part of, has an agenda. Most of the posters on here are so defensive they will never take their time to do the research necessary to understand the world connection here. Close to 1,000 schools world wide, businesses, media outlets etc. are affiliated with the Gulen movement and yes this little charter school in Utah is ONE of them. There is a very big picture here folks and it's right there if you take your time and research and read about it. I would urge posters to google and see what's going on.

  • Threebearporridge
    June 2, 2010 3:33 p.m.

    Dancer: Why did it take 5 years for them to do this? And, in fact, the school is not authorized to operate next year so whether the school is closed or is just "recommended to be closed" is really a moot point... It's symantics at this point...

  • dancer
    June 2, 2010 3:21 p.m.

    Just one quick comment...the school has NOT been closed. The State Charter School Board RECOMMENDED that Beehive's charter be revoked. It is still in the appeals process. Beehive remains open and until the appeals process has been exhausted, Beehive will continue to function as a school. Beehive has been working with the Charter School Board to "fix" the problems. The Special Education Department is in full compliance, financial management has been addressed and the licensing issues are being addressed. Beehive is doing all it can to make sure it is in compliance with the state.

  • Threebearporridge
    June 2, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    Wow! All this rhetoric! At the end of the day, there are solid reasons the school was closed: 1. Financial Mismanagement, 2. Teacher Licensing and 3. 5 years of Special Education non-compliance.

    Regardless of all the conspiracy theorists (ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE), it has nothing to do with the politics, religion or nationality of the teachers or administrators. It has to do, plain and simple, with a poorly run business who, after repeated support and counseling, refused to do what was necessary to fix the problem. I find it offensive as a parent and an American to have this turned into anti-muslim rhetoric and "anti- anti-muslim" rhetoric.

    It's about the kids, the tax payers and basic integrity. Call a spade a spade people...

  • Beehivestudent
    June 2, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    On a more serious note than my previous comment, I was horrified by this article. Yes, we do have a lot of Turkish teachers and they can SOMETIMES be hard to understand, but I have received a wonderful education here. The previous private school I went to was much poorer than this one, and it was horrible. I have also went to Turkey twice from this school (it's a wonderful country), and it's an opportunity I would never get from another school. I am also female, and I have NEVER been told to cover my head or been treated differently since I was a girl. This school also has much less alcohol and drug problems than other public schools, and I don't think anyone has gotten pregnant (unlike other public schools, which have day cares from everyone getting pregnant). I have learned so much at this school, and made so many friends here. And if you want to look at finances, the public school districts have millions of dollars worth of debt. And while I don't think the administration handles money very well, we have much less debt than other public schools.

  • conservative scientist
    June 2, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    Those defending the school are missing the critical point. U.S. Tax dollars should not be spent for the preferential hiring of Turkish men and buying visas to transport Turkish men into the U.S. Period. If these people want to set up a PRIVATE school, not associated with tax dollars, then that is great. It doesn't matter how eloquent the education is, the preferential hiring of Turkish men clearly is not consistent with hiring principles in America and I believe is likely illegal. I am a general fan of charter schools but clearly there needs to be greater oversight and regulation.

  • Beehivestudent
    June 2, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    To comment on one of the statements in the article:
    "...A group of teenagers starts kicking around a soccer ball for gym class. Their arms look like gooseflesh, unprotected in their matching blue polo shirts..."
    I was one of those teenagers whose arms are apparently gooseflesh. Really? I've never seen that used in relation to arms before. We weren't even cold. And we weren't in blue polo shirts, either, we were in gym clothes. Maybe some of us were wearing blue, but most of us weren't.

  • mecr
    June 2, 2010 1:44 p.m.


    As I said, and I quote: "how in the name of heaven they bring turkish people as teachers when there are so many teachers here that need jobs?".. enough said.

    I do think a money scam is going on there.

    There are very good public schools in Utah. But as someone said, the key is parents. Besides, how many people are out there who came from projects and ghettos and now they are the most educated and succesful people. When you want to be succesful, you don't give excuses, you just do it.

  • palouse
    June 2, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    To show you how the article in the newspaper had an anti-Beehive agenda, the picture of the "World War II" display was actually a huge Holocaust Memorial display we had at our school. We placed sheets of paper on the wall with 11,000,000 dots on them. Each dot represented a victim of the Holocaust. The display included an authentic German helmet, Nazi armband, and Nazi eagle. It also included Nazi music and clips of Hitler's speeches, so students could actually hear the Nazis. There were many other posters, flags, and displays - most of which were completely accessible to the students. Now the amazing thing. In the three weeks our display was in place there was not a single instance of vandalism or damage. Not a mark of graffiti, not a single sign of disrespect. Our 200 TEENAGE students were sobered by the scope of the Holocaust and the Nazi attempt to exterminate the Jews. Not bad for a "Muslim" school, I would say. I challenge any public school to match it! Yet the Deseret News, in typical journalistic fashion, chose to take the low road in their caption, and painted Beehive in a negative light.

  • Rico
    June 2, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    Bottom line. Parents have to take an active role in their kid's education and demand better and then be willing to back that up with helping with the solution. If we demand better it will happen. Elected officials will have no choice but the fix the problem. As it is we get upset when it appears in the news and then go back to status quo. Education in Utah and in America is declining because we as a nation are passive and complacent. We feel we are entitled to all that is good and wait for it to happen. America is great because we can have what we demand and are willing to make happen. It's hard work. $100 says that 90% of the posters here will do nothing about any of this after a week. Instant gratification and instant solutions. Not gonna cut it.

  • LDS Liberal
    June 2, 2010 11:23 a.m.

    palouse | 10:59 a.m.


    That was hilarious and right on the dot!!!

    I'm saddened and ashamed of those who claim such higher standards, yet are some of the most backwards, intolerant, and bigoted people I have ever come across.

    ...pencils and erasers...invading hordes back to the teacher's lounge...hahaha, classic!

  • Arm of Orion
    June 2, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    Palouse no matter how hard we try I don't think we'll get through to these rabid fearmongers. Every nut bar needs a cause and those bigoted against all things Islam have found theirs. Congrats Americans you have just given the Muslims a bigger reason to despise you.

  • palouse
    June 2, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    Okay. I surrender. Apparently Turkey is in the process of conquering the United States, and using the unique approach of infiltrating charter schools to do so. Oh my heck! Should we arm ourselves with pencils and erasers and drive the invading hordes back into the teachers' lounge? I am absolutely positive, after reading all these intelligent and absolutely truthful postings that my wife will be in a burkha in a matter of weeks! Come on, folks. If you step back and realize how utterly ridiculous (and bigoted) you sound, you'd be ashamed. Every attack on Beehive hurts my students, their parents, and my friends. My son's teachers - whether Turkish or American - have never once withheld their full support and encouragement in his struggle for a good education. As for "credentials", I've known many teachers with all the right credentials who weren't fit to teach a rat, much less a child. If truth be told, the attacks on Beehive (and charter schools as a whole) are motivated by powerful individuals who cannot accept a non-conformist approach to Utah education.

  • moore
    June 2, 2010 10:33 a.m.

    My children went to a Turkish Science Academy. I could not believe our school was connected to other schools and certainly not the Gulen movement.

    I went on the school trip to Turkey. You can ask anyone who has been on the trip or has a child that went....we visited Gulen schools & the kids stayed at Gulen schools. Our itinerary was identical to other schools across the country. So, there's a connection. Which may not have been a big deal if I was informed. Why the secret?

    The real concern? Are the schools following the guidelines of their charter? what is the hiring criteria?

    I think parents that send kids to a Turkish charter school are open to a diverse teaching staff. That's the appeal for many parents. It's too bad this becomes a fear of Muslim issue.

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 2, 2010 8:44 a.m.

    I agree with palouse about the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists. However, (at least in the past decade) all of the terrorists in our country have been Muslim. So comparing these Turkish teachers to the LDS missionaries is not a realistic claim. For starters, I have never heard of a terrorist that was LDS (and if there has been, there have been very few compared to Muslim terrorists). Also, the missionaries don't start charter schools in other countries and don't keep their ties to the church clandestine. The Prophet of the church has also never been charged with attempting to overthrow the secular government, and their goal is not to set up a “Mormon Theocracy”. The Church has also never tried or threatened to wipe Israel off the map.

  • Leesha
    June 2, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    Re:Texas, who said,
    "I am disgusted by this article. If even a quarter of it was true, I, too would be worried. But there is not one shred of truth to be found in this article. Where did you get this information?"
    I have a question for you "Texas", have you read the article completely? If so do you have any idea who "Jane's Islamic Affairs Analyst" is? They happen to be one of the main contributors to our countries' intelligence agencies. So do you still hold to the statement that "there isn't one shred of truth to be found in this article". If you and your like minded apologists for everything Turkish/Islam would open your minds and eyes you just might learn something, and maybe it will happen in time to do something constructive!

  • LDS Liberal
    June 2, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    palouse | 10:09 p.m.


  • Arm of Orion
    June 2, 2010 8:22 a.m.

    Seriously a world wide conspiracy trying to do what I wonder convert our kids to Islam. Come on now if you have strong family values the children won't stray far from the nest. All hail the grand paranoia that resides in America. Let McCarthyism and Witch Hunts begin.

  • Speed_Altitude
    June 2, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Why, when the unemployment rate in the U.S. is about 9%, would someone think its a good idea to import unqualified teachers from Turkey instead of hiring locally?

    Where do these Turkish men go after a few years of role playing as teachers?

    Something seems really strange here.

  • charter school dad
    June 2, 2010 7:08 a.m.

    Palouse- I used to be like you...our family loved the turkish teachers on a personal level and like many families have had them to our homes to enjoy food/meals/conversation. It is a betrayal once you are informed about their agenda and you fit the puzzle pieces together. Kelly says it best in the article, "No one likes to think their school is part of an international conspiracy" but it is! Do your research. Look beyond their baklava and tea and "extra" hours spent with our kids. These schools are almost like little franchises and "they" have figured out the "formula". They know what "we" want and many parents won't take their time to look beyond the obvious. There is a big agenda here. Educate yourself...the wool is being pulled over your eyes!

  • raybies
    June 2, 2010 6:13 a.m.

    Um. Islamic educational moment: Calling someone a jihadist is not the same as calling them a terrorist. A Jihad is (in Islam) a "Holy Struggle". Yes, Terrorists call for Jihad against the west, but Isalmic clerics use the term to indicate a spiritual struggle in the same way that evangelists call for a 'revival'. I saw nothing in the explanation of this Gulen fellow to indicate he's the type of Islamist who believes in violence to achieve his objectives, and it does not appear there's a link to terrorist groups like Al Qaida. They do believe that the west should submit to Islam, no doubt, but if their means of attaining submission are peaceful, then "bring it on." It isn't like Utah hasn't sent out its share of religious missionaries. What I do find distasteful is the notion that they believe they can lie and distort their intentions for the sake of their holy cause. That sort of nonsense needs to be rooted out of Islam, though it's a well-established "caveat" of the religion--and has been since its inception. Just thought I'd spread a little religious sunshine... (I'm LDS, btw.)

  • EducationTRUTH
    June 2, 2010 12:04 a.m.

    Oh yes 4 new students this week. These people are selling and nothing more. Charter Schools are outsourced to Turkey to manage for less. These kids are not getting a better education, it is a propaganda put out by the many foundations that oversee the Gulen schools. The awards are always from Gulen sponsored events.
    The propaganda is from Gulen owned media: Zaman and Erbu TV, oh this is funny that American parents would fall for the Turkish agenda.

  • Orem Parent
    June 1, 2010 10:55 p.m.

    Charters are a complete joke. We taxpayers are being taken for a ride!

    We have some of the best public schools in the nation. We aren't downtown Philly or NY where you see Jon Stossel report about how bad the public schools are.

    We are UTAH and we show the rest of the country how it is done. We have no need for charters. We just have need for smaller class sizes and adequate funding.

  • logicalone
    June 1, 2010 10:16 p.m.

    Beehive is not closing yet... we can not give up all hope. If the state truly wanted Beehive to succeed then they should have brought someone from the state to help us, not giving us hope and then crushing it. BTW I know there are other schools out there but for me Beehive works. "Logical one"

  • palouse
    June 1, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    WRZ- For your information, I am a native New Yorker. I grew up on Staten Island and watched them build the twin towers. I saw the hole in the ground before there was a single piece of steel. Floor by floor I saw the towers rise and was very proud of them. On the morning of 9/11 it was MY city that was attacked, MY towers that fell, MY people who died. I was so upset I went to New York to help. I saw the hole again, smelled the stench and saw the removal of bodies. I hated every Muslim on the planet! Islam was my enemy. Then I got a job at Beehive and found out that Islam has another side - a decent caring side. Don't preach to me about the "other side" of Islam. Control you xenophobia and remember that most people of whatever faith are good decent people. As a New Yorker I proudly embrace my Muslim friends and colleagues. As a native New Yorker I understand that the terrorists are not Muslims, but barbaric murderers who are as much an enemy of Islam as they are of the United States of America!

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 1, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    I think that the fact that "quality of education matters" to people these days is manifested by the fact that they ARE closing Beehive down. By doing this, the Charter Board has shown that schools must be accountable and, hence, make them better quality. I too went to Beehive but then I found a better school. There are "other fish (schools) in the ocean (state)" with just as devoted teachers and education AND better budgeting, financial conduct etc.
    I agree that students deserve quality education. However, since it is the tax payers that are paying for this quality education, they deserve 1) what they are paying for (quality education), and 2) financial responsibility.
    By the way, is it “logic alone” or “logical one”?

  • logicalone
    June 1, 2010 6:19 p.m.

    The Turkish teachers are some of the best teachers I have had. Not ONE of them has ever forced Islam on me or tried to force their beliefs on me. I dont understand how this article is such a great article if all it tells is lies and is full of bigotry.So many schools are having difficulty with many things whether it being financials or sex offenders, but once people see that there is a school that is not run by Americans and is going through some trouble then it is targeted and never left alone until it shuts downd.As a patriotic person this is not how I thought Americans like myself would act. I was always taught that in America religion and race did not matter, apparently it does, but to me it doesnt! For those of you who agree with the article you should really listen to both sides. Beehive has done amazing things and has changed many lives including mine.The quality of education should matter to you and the students in the school should matter to you! The school closing will not solve any problems!

  • logicalone
    June 1, 2010 6:02 p.m.

    I am a current student at Beehive. As a student I find many of the comments on here very hurtful. For those people who think that we should just shut the school down and call it good, I dont think you realize that there are students who have no other place to go. If I was satisfied with all the other schools that I have been to then I would have just stayed there, but I wasn't. I came to Beehive to get the education that I deserved. I have been to public schools and private schools, none of which satisfied me. The teachers at those schools did not care if I turned an assingnment in or not, they did not care about anything I did in general. Showing up to some classes got you an A. The teachers at Beehive are not comparable. Yes we do have a lot of Turkish teachers,BUT we also have many American teachers. It is really frustrating to know that it matters to people what country or religion these teachers are or from. Does the quality of education not matter to anyone these days?

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 1, 2010 6:01 p.m.

    When was the school ever cleared of being connected to the Gulen Movement "Texas"? Maybe we wouldn't be so "scared of some of these comments" if people would research before posting and get their facts straight!!

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 1, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    When education1st said "...Utahan's having ancestors who were persecuted because of their faith and beliefs there would be more demands for hard solid facts here" it seems like they were insinuating that we are persecuting them for their faith. However, (I don't know about you) I have never considered fiscal mismanagement to be the same thing as being Muslim.
    I think that political correctness has really gotten out of hand since it's gotten to the point to where we can't even criticize or question a school's motives or intentions just because they are Turkish Muslims.

  • Texas
    June 1, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    I am disgusted by this article. If even a quarter of it was true, I, too would be worried. But there is not one shred of truth to be found in this article. Where did you get this information? Because it is very one sided and biased. I know for a fact that these people are good, kind hearted people. They are not associated with the Gulen movement. That was proven by the state. I cannot believe some of these comments. Like what has been said before, with most of you in Utah, who's ancestry was persecuted because of their religion, how can you sit here and be so nasty to these people? It makes me physically sick.

  • Leesha
    June 1, 2010 5:43 p.m.

    "Thank you education1st. I am scared of some of these comments too. Maybe society should be more afraid of the ideas that are being posted here than of a small charter school whose only job has been to teach their students.".... along with funding the Gulen Organization, bringing (unqualified)male Turkish teachers, with the occasional (unqualified)female Turkish teacher into the U.S. But yes this is just an unprovoked attack on these poor souls who's only wish is to improve the American education system. And by all means do impose censorship on all the rest of us who happen to believe that there is something stinky going on here!

  • Evets
    June 1, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    Excellent reporting. I mainly read the WSJ because of the good in depth reporting but this Desnews article show even a local paper CAN do a good job. Now please keep it up and it may even become worthwhile to get a paid subscription again.

    I certainly hope that more investigation is done on this at a local level. I also hope that someone at the national level is looking into this system of Turkish ran schools. I really think Desnews is only looking at the tip of the iceburg.

  • Midwest Mom
    June 1, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    Let's not forget Mr. Jones and how he changed a charter school for autistic children into a football scholarship school. They went belly up, too, at the expense of the handicapped children that the charter was supposed to serve. Teachers went unpaid and their insurance coverage was lost because of unpaid premiums. I guess we can see, now, what is meant by "running education like a business." This looks a lot like the self-dealing mess on Wall Street. Also, note how the school names act like Madison Avenue adverts to lull the consumer into confidence, "Harmony," "Beehive," etc. It seems that this Turkish organization has done it's homework on conservative Americans. Too bad that conservative Americans are so prejudiced against public education that they allow their desire for elite segregation to trump good judgment. As for the Turkish charter school bunch, way to go beating Americans at their own game.

  • Speed_Altitude
    June 1, 2010 3:41 p.m.

    Re: Arm of Orion

    "I bet in your minds the Muslims are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers."

    That's what they are in my mind. Why hasn't the Muslim community come out and "STRONGLY" denounced terrorist activities. If you're silent when someone hijacks your religion and uses it to kill and maim innocent men, women, and children then you are a sympathizer.

    People like you are exactly what the Islamo-fascists are counting on. Keep up the politically correct apologizing but don't do it for me.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    Thank you education1st. I am scared of some of these comments too. Maybe society should be more afraid of the ideas that are being posted here than of a small charter school whose only job has been to teach their students.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    @wrz 2:43 p.m.:

    "Revoking is only part of the problem... Getting them out of the country is yet another... especially with Obama as president."

    This whole concoction of bringing Turks to Utah to teach is nothing but an immigration scam. They enter the country on a visa, learn a smattering of English, teach for a year or two, then disappear into the underbrush. At which point they become illegal immigrants with expired visas and few worries about being discovered and deported. Reference Arizona.

  • charter school dad
    June 1, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    Actually I think it's a deeper concern. I think the Gulen schools self promote so much that they gain unwarranted reputations in the community for being schools for "smart kids". It's probably about 5% of the kids at these schools who win the awards but "outsiders" would never know that. I have heard some of these schools are in trouble for not offering special ed services to the extent that they should, because they want kids that need services to leave their schools.

  • education1st
    June 1, 2010 3:25 p.m.

    How funny Mr Wayment has collected over 100 documents and yet where is the proof? Some of these comments scare me, you would think with such a large majority of Utahan's having ancestors who were persecuted because of their faith and beliefs there would be more demands for hard solid facts here.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    @American Teacher:

    The reason your school is as good as you say it is, is becasue you siphon off the best students. the rest must remain in public schools.

    If you took the run-of-the-mill, across the board students your averages would be, er, average. Same as in public schools.

  • charter school dad
    June 1, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    The teacher that commented should note that these schools all seem to state that they hire Turkish men because they can't find qualified "American" teachers to teach math and science. We know that's a a teacher at one of these schools doesn't that make you angry? I don't hear anyone saying that they teach Islam to these are missing the point! Maybe they would have some resources for teachers if they were not spending so much on visas and other perks for the Turkish teachers. If you are teaching at one of these schools KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN!

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    @palouse: "...different is scary."

    Islam has two sides (at least). One side is what you're apparently seeing and the other the poor folks in the Twin Towers on 9/11 saw.

    You need to look at the big picture, palouse. The world is presently engaged in a war on terror. And the perpetrators of the terror part of the war from all the evidence so far is the religion of Islam... the same religion that the Turkish teachers of your school profess.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    @Utah Dem 11:31 a.m.:

    "Question - if the school has been shut down by the state have the visas been revoked?"

    Revoking is only part of the problem... Getting them out of the country is yet another... especially while Obama is president.

  • Speed_Altitude
    June 1, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    "My big concern was making sure they weren't teaching religion in the classroom," he said. "They were not preaching Islam at that school in any way, shape or form."

    Great. That's all we need, more Muslim men in the U.S. Then they can start reproducing at four times the rate of the Christian community so that in a generation or two the Muslim population will be able to change laws and freedoms here in the U.S.A. to a suppressive society that exists in the Islamic countries. Take a look at what is happening in Europe.
    The people of the U.S. ought to wake up and realize that these "really nice polite" young Muslim men are spreading Islam here while lying to your face. They attend mosques where the takeover and destruction of the U.S.A. (the great satan) is spewed from the pulpit. There are no moderate Muslims, otherwise they would have cleaned there own house by now. How can you claim the holocaust was caused by the Jews? How can you claim that 9/11 was caused by some conspiracy not associated with radical Islam? Time to wake up.

  • Arm of Orion
    June 1, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    Tell me Leesha who would these people be? Ah I love the smell of unfounded paranoia in the afternoon!

  • Leesha
    June 1, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    some (at least two), here, are Turkish people masquerading as native English speakers. If you haven't noticed yet, check out the grammatical and sentence structure oddities.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    @ mecr (9:23 a.m.)

    Are you saying it's a good idea to import people from Turkey to teach at a school in America who can't speak English and are yet to be certified?

    Good heavens!!

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    What parent would knowingly send their kid to a school where the teachers are on visas from Turkey and can barely speak English?

    Come on, parents. Get your heads out of the sand. Don't yo know you are facilitating Muslim Jihadism whose goal is the overthrow of the US government and implantation of their Sharia Law?

  • EducationTRUTH
    June 1, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    The problem here is that these 80+ Gulen Charter US Schools are not TRANSPARENT about their affliation with Gulen's movement. If you pull up any of their websites: Sonoran Science Academy (AZ) Harmony Science (TX) Horizon (OH) Coral Science (NV) Magnolia Science (CA) you will find Turkish American clubs, language, song, etc., complete with a "dog and pony" trip to Istanbul at the end of the year which in my opinion could be dangerous for American students in a 99.5% Moslem country.
    The high test scores that these schools boast about is a selling tool. In fact, the contests are all sponsored by Gulen and are biased as well as the propaganda because Gulen owns Zaman and ERBU TV. Censorship is something the Turkish government thrives on and has laws protecting against insulting "Turkishness" check out UTUBE for some great propaganda - like a sophisticated cult.

  • Arm of Orion
    June 1, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    Tell me BH is or is not the attack of calling these men Jihadists paranoid? It is since oh guess what those who sympathize with them are very few in the Muslim population. So according to statistics it's highly unlikely that those men are not Jihadists. Or to take statistics more literally one of their toes has Jihadist sympathies. Yet for you two there is a paranoid fear of all things Islam. I bet in your minds the Muslims are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. With such paranoia comes what ah I know the desire to protect ourselves from those "evil" Muslims. How do we do that? Well we must remove them from civilized society far and away from the rest of America. We put them in what oh Internment camps. Sounds like Hitler doesn't it. By the way I only use Hitler analogies when they are needed and are perfectly appropriate. In this case I gave you the probable outcome of giving into your inane fears.

  • Scooter
    June 1, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    Again, the formula is "Follow The Money!" Upstream or downstream, it will lead you to the answer!

  • shakespeare's fool
    June 1, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    palouse, Yes, Districts have managed money pretty well, they also can levy taxes when they need to. Charters don't have that ability and must live within their means. I agree that the State and Fed both do more than they should. I'd be happy to have them do only the absolute minimum. Any ideas on how to get that done?

    The charter school you work at exists because people like me went to the legislature and asked them to give charter schools a chance. I personally told them we'd be accountable. Although I love charter schools I can't possibly defend mismanagement financially or just making bad decisions. It sounds like accountability has hit and you're unhappy about it.

    For the record, I didn't tolerate large class sizes. I got involved in the charter school movement and reduced my children's class size.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 1:16 p.m.

    I believe that most teachers in the state of Utah want their students to succeed. Everywhere, the teachers lack the funding to make this happen, public or public charter schools. There is a place in our society for both. There is a need in Utah for both. It is a small group, but there are students who need what a small charter school has to offer. Beehive is an excellent school. For our students sake, I hope that the Board can see that.

  • American Teacher
    June 1, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    At my charter school, which I'm very proud to teach at, we exist for one reason only - the students. We are nationally ranked, have state testing scores in the high nineties consistently, have trophy cases of awards, and have extremely high AP scores. Almost all of our seniors graduate to go on to college, some of them even top tier and Ivy League schools.

    We are run by Turkish people and many or our teacher are Turkish. Though, nobody but nobody preaches anything about Gulen or any other religion.

    As I watch other schools sink and our State Governmnent help kill them off, and as I witness the substandard education taking place around my state, I am proud to be a teacher at such a strong and supportive school. Conspiracy theories do not change the needs of our children; but, rather they can harm filling those needs. After all, almost all of us came from immigrants and held strong national and racial ties to our home countries and our countrymen. I fought and was injured for the freedoms of our melting pot country. Now, I teach its children in one of the top schools. So be it.

  • Orem Parent
    June 1, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    Utah's public schools do a fantastic job. Charters were never needed here. If the legislature would put the money where it belongs (real schools not charters) then we would lead the nation in every category for education.

    Instead the legislators and parents experiment with their own children's education.

    It is complete craziness.

  • LDS Liberal
    June 1, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    2 words for:


    Mountain Meadows

    [You should NEVER blame the actions a very small few a stereo-type all others. That is bigotry, and it is dangerous.]

  • palouse
    June 1, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    Shakespeare's fool - And Jordan and Granite and any number of other districts manages their finances perfectly? How about the State of Utah or the Obama Administration? How about all the pork spent by the politicians you and I elect? Let's just close the state and federal governments since their finances are so much worse than Beehive's. Do you actually believe everything you read? Have you ever seen the other side of the story? And explain to me why all of a sudden you Utahns are so concerned about education when you tolerate the worst student-teacher ratio in the nation. Why does Utah expect each teacher to be Einstein and then treats them like a burger flipping teenager? (See Jordan School District) No, Utah doesn't care about education. Road construction, maybe. Education, nope.

  • LDS Liberal
    June 1, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    Lifelong Republican | 8:48 a.m. June 1, 2010
    Yet another nail in the charter school coffin. It is time to shut the whole charter program down.


    Now we see here a perfect example of a "Lifeling Republican" bemaoning the private sector and crying for the monopoly of a Governemnt ONLY schools.

    Can you say "Socialism"???

    The hypocrisy from the right is always amazing.
    Shocking actually....

  • Rico
    June 1, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    Charter school ARE public schools. Publicly funded. They have to meet minimum testing standards to retain their charter. The only difference is that the curriculum and method of teaching can differ from the mainstream.

    One thing we're forgetting here is that the public school IS NOT the bright, shining example of education. It is in real trouble and the standards for graduation are very low and yet the graduation rates are still far to low. Charters provide the option of an alternative and hopefully force public schools to compete instead of being complacent. There are problems with both, but don't we believe in competition in America?

  • shakespeare's fool
    June 1, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    palouse, it sounds like the state overlooked "different" for quite a while. That is until it realized that the school's finances were so different that they had to recommend closure. How is it that the school can't pay you or your fellow teachers for the last two months. That's different. I call it broke.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    I cannot comment on what the administration at the school has or has not done, but I do know that Beehive has an excellent science lab and two full computer labs. As I said, I work at Beehive and all teacher speak English and can be understood. Our job is and has always been the education of our students.

  • shakespeare's fool
    June 1, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    Yes, there are a few bad charter schools just as there are some bad district schools. Unfortunately, we don't have strong charter authorizers in this state. We need a strong authorizing agency that has the power to step in and replace board members or staff as needed. Right now, they can only request compliance from a school or recommend closure. That's not a broad range of options in my opinion.

    To all those who whine because they think the district schools have been hurt by charters, why don't you refocus your attention to improving those schools. After all, someone didn't like them enough to leave and try something different. So, you're not exactly speaking from a position of strength are you?

  • 42istheanswer
    June 1, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    They might be good at educating children, but they can't manage their finances worth a darn. The state should mandate that money from Utah public funds cannot be used to bring in teachers from a foreign country (should go for districts also).

  • BH
    June 1, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    Thanks to Orion for proving that no internet based conversation can continue without someone making a Hitler comparison.

    Great article. Thanks, Elizabeth.

    So, where are our state and federal regulators, assuring equal opportunity in hiring practices? Can't find qualified American teachers, yet Turkish men with no teaching qualifications are qualified?

    Someting stinks in Denmark, and it's not rotten fish.

    Hopefully this article will spawn public outrage, govement oversights will take place, and change will occur.

  • palouse
    June 1, 2010 12:07 p.m.

    I am both a teacher and a parent at Beehive. It is a great school, and my child has blossomed there. I am also an award winning, Christian, American teacher, certified in Utah and endorsed in my subject area. Never once has anyone at Beehive attempted to convert me or my son to Islam. On the contrary, I have found all Muslims at our school - from whatever country - to be polite, genuine, and decent people. As a native New Yorker, I have more reasons to distrust Muslims than most. Instead, their kindness and dedication to my child and myself have been inspirational. They are warm, caring people, and I am honored to have worked with them and called them my friends. It was once said during the Cold War that there was no "Truth" in "Pravda", and no "News" in "Izvestia". With the dissolution of the old Soviet Union, apparently that saying now applies to the Deseret News. The truth is, the State of Utah is determined to close Beehive at all costs - including their integrity - because it is different - and in Utah, at least, different is scary.

  • Threebearporridge
    June 1, 2010 12:07 p.m.

    Dancer: It's nice to know that the administration is at least being honest about the current status of the school. What about overstating the enrollment of the school last year by almost 100% resulting in a huge disparity in the amount of funding received? What about the administration sharing confidential personnel information with parents when they chose to suspend a teacher? How were these actions ethical?

    What about the science labs and the lack of technology? What about the limited English proficiency of some teachers?

    You can bet if Beehive had been any other type of business, they'd be out of business a long time ago..

  • Utah Dem
    June 1, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    raybies - wrz is correct, you just teach to the tests or you teach students how to cheat.

    I also agree that this is some of the best reporting I have read in years from a Utah newspaper.

    Question - if the school has been shut down by the state have the visas been revoked?

    Lots of failings in the State Office of Education also.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    One more thing, to threebearporridge; every new registration that is taken at the school is done so with the explanation of what is going on with the state. All new enrollments know that the school has the possibility of not being open next year. They still enroll. Most ask how they can help fight this. If Beehive is not opened next year, all registration money will be refunded.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    The "book room" is not the library. Beehive has a small library. The "book room" is a storage room used to store textbooks and teacher materials. Students all have textbooks. Every class has teaching material. Every class is taught from a text book. The janitorial service that comes to the school each night is "The Hands that Clean" company. I am a female who works at the school and I have never been asked to cover my head or told that my place was in the home. I feel highly respected and love my job. The students at Beehive receive an excellent education. Some of the information in this article is old news, the state cleared Beehive of having any religious ties. Also, the Sate Charter School Board "recommended" that Beehive's charter be revoked. It has not been revoked and Beehive is appealing that recommendation.

  • Arm of Orion
    June 1, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    Anyone who is calling for the closure of the public school system because of beehive has to apply that logic to all schools. Therefore if one public or private school is failing then they too must be closed and if a homeschooling system is failing then we must outlaw all home-schools. Yep that would be brilliant.

    Now to my favorite posters the paranoid. Equating these teachers to Jihadists is like Hitler equating Jews to being the spawn of the devil. You guys really need to tone down the rhetoric.

  • holybovine
    June 1, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    As the parent of two charter school students who are thriving in their education in Math, Engineering and Sciences, I can attest to the benefits of the charter school system. My children study hard and are inspired by their experience and their amazing teachers. The problem with one charter school is not an excuse to close down the whole school system as Life Long Republican (above) indicates. That thinking is just plain ridiculous and narrow minded. The Academy for Math, Engineering & Sciences (AMES) is extraordinary for my children and it would be a crime to blanket the entire charter school system because of one bad apple. So lets move forward with the progress. To that end however, I applaud the courage and tenacity of Mr. Wayment for his selfless desire to get to the bottom of the tyranny at Beehive and lance the boil of infection of the Gulen organization in our charter school system. Much thanks to the thorough reporting by Elizabeth Stuart. I want to know more.

  • Leopard
    June 1, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    Where are all our multi-culturalists? Frankly if we are getting Turks who are educated as immigrants, we should be happy. Sounds like the school had a second mission of bringing in Turks. It also sounds like their financial shenanigans are suspect, other than that they seem to be fulfilling the charter to provide a superior education, (not hard to do these days with the disasterous public schools) My children went to parochial school, their education was leaps and bounds beyond the public school. I know people who have their children in Utah Charter Schools and are very happy. This Gullen character sounds superior to the usual Jihadist. Perhaps one of the new wave of Islamist Reformers. Except for Gullen's reported methods of duplicitious infiltration. Islam is going to overwhelm the world, might as well plan for it and cheer on the good guys.

  • R. Rupert IV
    June 1, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    I don't recall that the desseret news ever said that Beehive didn't have a "book room". It only said that they didn't have text books in their "book room". I think that it is a much bigger problem to not have text books than not having a (did you mean library?) "book room" since the students curriculum is based out of textbooks instead of a general library.
    By the way, where did you get your information about the head covering etc. or the janitors? Maybe you know something that I don't but I sure can't find anything on their website about janitorial staff or services.
    Last year, during the second semester, they didn't have a janitor and would instead, delegate the janitorial duties to students as a form of punishment.

  • jp3
    June 1, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    Also, to those who are wondering why Beehive's science test scores are higher, generally when you have parents who go out of their way to find a school for their students, they are more involved in their child's education rather than many lazy parents who barely know the name of the school their child goes to--this could be an explanation, it's not necessarily the teaching.

  • Threebearporridge
    June 1, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    As a parent of children who attend Beehive, it troubles me that this is how far we've come. The truth is that my kids, for the most part, receive a fantastic education. The truth also is that Beehive gives preference to Turkish teachers (over highly qualified American teachers), my kids have had significant trouble communicating with limited English speaking teachers and their grades in those classes are definitely a result of that. This is a science and technology school with no science labs, no technology to speak of and is poorly managed.

    It's a shame that the administration has brought the school to the brink. It's also an absolute disgrace that enrollments are still taking place and people are not being told that they are handing over registration fee's to a school that is not authorized to operate next year. Good luck getting your money back if the appeal is unsuccessful!

  • jp3
    June 1, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Last summer I spent several weeks on vacation in Turkey and was alarmed and stunned at how the government is shutting out everything and anyone that is not Islamic--a radical departure from previous decades when tolerance was the norm.

    Additionally, I applied to this school about 5 years ago and had the strangest job interview of my life. I turned down their hastily proffered job offer. When things seem amiss, they usually are.

  • CougarKeith
    June 1, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    Just remember, ONE BAD APPLE doesn't spoil the whole bushel! I do think this is definitely worth looking into a lot farther! We need some state money back as well, then reopen the school when the problems are gone.

  • dancer
    June 1, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    Wow, this is the fourth comment I have written and none of them have been posted. Does it not matter to the Deseret News that the reporting done in this story is not correct? The protest was for a teacher that was put on administrative leave. Nothing more. The school would not have the students demonstrate on school time on their own property. The students were showing their support to the teacher. The school has a janitorial service that comes in every night after school. The teachers are given opportunities to go to professional development seminars and conventions. They are paid to do this. There is a book room at the school full of books and teachers supplies. I know that female teachers are not asked to cover their heads or told that their place in the home. Financially, the school is struggling, but they are moving in a positive direction to recover from this. A fine piece of reporting? I think not. If the students or their parents are not happy with the education they are receiving, they have the right and obligation to find another school, yet, they haven't. Enrollment has increased. Report the truth.

  • Monsieur le prof
    June 1, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    Thanks DesNews for a well-researched article! It was concise, well-written, and informative

    I do not know upon what basis the school was ranked in the top twenty, but it probably wasn't because of the Turkish teachers who, as reported, could barely speak English. If the report is true (and un-doctored by the school officials), then the reason is the concerned parents who cared enough about their kids to put them into a charter school in the first place.

    Parental caring and involvement is always the number one criteria for student success. Public schools do a great job with what they are given in the way of students. They turn out high numbers of successful students in spite of student apathy and non-English speaking students and parents.

    With mom and/or dad behind him/her, almost every student can do well in any school. There are endless possibilities in music, dance, sports, etc., in the public school just as there are some advantages for others in the smaller charter schools. But it's the parents that hold the keys.

  • lookbeyond
    June 1, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    I have always been suspect of the Charter School introduction into our Education System. There appears to be little oversight or control by local authorities, or at best, ignorance to the situations present! It is one more way we are being quietly infiltrated by foreigners who have one interest...overthrowing America! I think we need to wake up here and recognize what is happening and then have the intestinal fortitude to close the schools by court order, and then stand by while they are boarded up! For what purpose are they teaching the children to speak Turkish???? Jihad is something parents should become familiar with.....I fear heads are in the sand here, and we must do more to guard what is being taught in our schools...and better still what is NOT being taught!!!!

  • Lagomorph
    June 1, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    Regarding curriculum, I'm more concerned that they might be teaching Turkish creationist Harun Yahya's texts in science class than teaching jihad.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    @mecr (9:23 a.m.)

    "And people is worried about illegal Latinos."

    They haven't thought of it yet. Give them time.

  • wrz
    June 1, 2010 9:27 a.m.

    @raybies (9:02 a.m.):

    "Did you even read the part where the school still scores top 20 in Utah!?"

    Any school can do it... just teach to the tests.

  • mecr
    June 1, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Behive needs a "screen" like being in the top 20 to hide all these anomalities. It sure needs to be investigated further. It sounds at least as a scheme to make money from our tax money.

    And people is worried about illegal latinos. This is far more risky! And most at all, how in the name of heaven they bring turkish people as teachers when there are so many teachers here that need jobs? I don't pay taxes to help bringing turkish people with green cards, I paid for education and to provide jobs to current american citizens or residents IN the country.

  • Proud Father
    June 1, 2010 9:16 a.m.


    You're right. If the article is right in that there is no training for new teachers (at least for new American teachers) and many teachers come from Turkey with no experience and little if any English skills, how are they in the top 20 out of 160 schools?

  • Sandy
    June 1, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    Life Long Republican should know that there are many charter schools in the state doing a great job, populated by the children of many other lifelong Republicans. I recommend the DNews go check out some of those schools, like Monticello Academy in West Valley City, Canyon Rim Academy in East Millcreek, and American Preparatory Academy. DNews should also check out some the problems at schools at Granite District schools, where there are struggles and problems, not with Turks but with unhappy, incompetent adminstration and staff. That's why the flight to charters, where parents are desperately in need of alternatives like these charters. In my family's case, it has been a wonderful contrast. I thank heaven for charter schools. Parents should wise up when making their choices. I looked at Beehive and saw problems. If the State Board has any power at all (which it doesn't seem to) and if it is into solving problems, look at why the junior highs and elementary schools in GSD are so weak.

  • Legalese
    June 1, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    It is amusing that people are calling for the charter schools to shut down. It is like our public schools are all that wonderful. The political correctness in this country is over the top and if the government would just enforce our laws we could avoid situations like this.

  • raybies
    June 1, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    Did you even read the part where the school still scores top 20 in Utah!? That's why parents would send their kids there. The reporting did a great job of pointing out the chaotic teaching environment, which I agree is WHACKO, but still, even if there's a whole slew of rotten apples underneath the hood, to be top 20 in testing says something really pathetic about the rest of the state's schools...

  • Lifelong Republican
    June 1, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    Yet another nail in the charter school coffin. It is time to shut the whole charter program down. It is obvious the parents are clueless here. Who in their right mind would be sending their kids to a school like this?

    Too many parents in Utah are in love with the charter concept and the appearance of "eliteness" that it gives them. They don't even research who is behind the school or who is teaching there.

    Where is the Utah Tax Payers Association on this one? This school is using OUR TAX MONEY to fund immigration from Turkey. Nice job Utah Tax Payers Association. This is what we want our tax money spent on.

    I call for all legislators to shut down the charter school program and return the money to our local schools where it should be going.

    This is an outrage and a disgrace.

    Great job reporting. I hope to hear much more about this story.

  • Proud Father
    June 1, 2010 8:41 a.m.

    This is quite possibly the best reporting I've read all year in any paper anywhere in the country. Well done!

  • Leesha
    June 1, 2010 8:41 a.m.

    An interesting note, you don't have to be an American Citizen to start up a charter school in Utah. Is this the same in the other states? Are they passing around the same charter application? All you have to do is have a charter that will be accepted.

  • crazedc
    June 1, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    Now THAT'S reporting! Take that, Trib!

  • Uncle Rico
    June 1, 2010 8:27 a.m.

    The call for Jihad is much more difficult in America because:

    1. Americans are not as desperately poor people as the the recruiters for Islamic Terrorist are used to and therefore less prone to be manipulated by money

    2.These organizations will not get "free" work out of Americans, who because of generally being educated don't but into the jihad mentality as easily as poverty driven minds.

    Shut down the school.

  • crimendelsiglo
    June 1, 2010 8:05 a.m.

    are the grade scores verifiable?

    is standard testing independently administered and scored from the moment the test begins to the moment the results is tallied ?

    this wouldn't be the first time a teacher, an administrator, a school "fixed" a test.

  • Third try screen name
    June 1, 2010 8:03 a.m.

    Where are the adults here?
    Who is sending their kids to this school?
    Vote with your feet.
    Unless you want this trash poured into their heads.
    Charter schools should be funded based on three things:
    ~Student population.
    ~Teacher certification.
    ~Performance to academic standards.
    Let's not blame the charter school concept here. We need to weed out the agenda-driven, poorly managed schools.

  • John Charity Spring
    June 1, 2010 7:39 a.m.

    This is an example of how so-called political correctness has made our leaders far too soft. Instead of protecting the security of this Country, our leaders are focused on avoiding anything that might avoid anybody. The Founding Fathers would not have put up with the government funding extremist groups that have a stated purpose of destroying this Country. Where are the statesmen of the past?

  • JosephONE
    June 1, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    Looks like these kids are afraid of their own shadows. Maybe they need mommy and daddy to hold their hand while they mill around trying to figure out what a protest is?

  • SME
    June 1, 2010 7:00 a.m.

    A majority of Turkish teachers in a Utah school seems very odd. It wouldn't in a community with a large Turkish presence, but here it doesn't make sense.

  • Cats
    June 1, 2010 6:26 a.m.

    Wow. This is kind of creepy. I think these schools and their connections need to be investigated further.

  • raybies
    June 1, 2010 6:18 a.m.

    Of course the school can't find qualified math and science teachers if they give back a third of their supposed salary to this Gulen fellow. Sounds like a weird conspiracy, indeed.

    Charter schools are not known for making their educators rich, regardless the weird affiliation with a religious figure.

    what's sad is that with all the whackiness going on under the covers, and the weird hiring practices and the many turkish immigrant teachers that they continue to score so much better than state run schools that hire teachers with credentials, etc.

  • HeroofCanton
    June 1, 2010 3:19 a.m.

    If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...