I am impressed that Elizabeth is serving a mission even with all this going on.
It shows what kind of a person she is despite her terrible past. So many adults
are held back because of awful experiences.
Wanda Barzee was never a victim of Brian Mitchell. She was a willing
participant. Why do some people not understand this? Barzee was described by her
own children as a manipulative abuser. No one is being intolerant toward people
with mental illness. Wanda along with her husband committed serious
crimes(kidnapping & rape)against a young girl. Why should anyone be tolerant
against violent sexual predators even if they are mentally ill? It's not
remotely realistic to expect parents to be understanding of the criminal who
commits acts of violence against their children.
I really feel bad for Barzee's mother. On that age, hearing your daughter is
being sentenced knowing that she will never be able to see her in normal
circunstances... I saw the pictures and feel bad for her. Poor old lady. She
practically buried her child in live because for sure she won't be alive when
Barzee is free. How much pain criminals bring to their families. And
as for Mrs. Smart. I don't blame her. Maybe she needed to get it out of her
system so she is able to finally move on. I have a daughter and only knowing
somebody was not nice to her drives me nuts. I hope the Smarts will be able to
forgive and forget but they won't until this case is finally closed and the nut
case called Mitchell is sentenced for life... hopefully!
I sympathize with Elizabeth Smart's mother, but I would have expected that after
this many years she would understand something about mental illness. There was
no need for her to scold Barzee in that way.The courts have
determined that Barzee is mentally fit to stand trial, but that is not the same
as determining that she was mentally stable and in possession of all her mental
faculties when she and her husband kidnapped Elizabeth Smart. She was mentally
ill when she did what she did. In many ways, she is also one of Mitchell's
victims.I wish more people would try to understand mental illness
and be more tolerant with those who suffer with it.
as a deterrent to others, this sentence may make plenty of people feel 'better'
or whatever helps them get over their own mental trauma from this. but it isn't
really theirs, the smart family is the only real participant, not us. i hear so
much blood curdling foolishness coming from so many people here, i worry the
society itself will remain whole and stable and able to truly heal and progress.
the couple who did this were clearly abherrant and socially disconnected, either
by the 'leaders' raving (pseudo) psychotic philosophys and by Barzee's tragic
submission to him. Good people can and do make poor choices, on a daily basis,
despite what some of you may think. i am thankful that so many of the vengeful,
angry and shallow commenting people bent on furthering the suffering are never
in the position to judge others. The 'hangin judge' is one of those anacronisms
from past ages that served only to promote a very simple group. The real mission
is clear, best follow it. Keep love in your heart forever, never let it slide
It is clear many of you are not privy to the Law.To stsrt with, You are
due a speedy trial or they have to cut you loose.Quite clear, The justice
system is run by People that do not know to law nor are they privy to the
laws.As I have learned lately, all of these people are hopping to a higher
seat, Not because they are qualified.Utah.
The sentencing is ridiculous. These judges are not fit to sit on the bench. I
have yet to deal with a judge who is fair. They rule according to what they
believe is just but fair is another matter. No sitting judge looks at both sides
it appears. Their minds are not set correctly in my opinion. Both these people
should never see the light of day. I agree with Elizabeth, the sentence is way
too light for what they did. They virtually took her childhood away. How does
this short time make up for that?
Lois has been silent most of the time while dealing with this, as Tom and
Elizabeth have had to communicate with the media. It's great that she has a
voice, and is able to tell Wanda what her actions did to hurt the Smart Family.
I think now that sentencing has been given, it was a bit on the
Wanda will be 75years old when she gets released out>she has time served from
the start<Let the story rest Enjoy your Life ELIZABETH play
your music never forget the Harp that heals your soul mind and spirit
Noone was denied their right to a speedy trial. The reason for the delay in the
trial was motions by the defendants. They are the ones who requested, demanded,
a delay in the actual trial.Why are some people still blaming Mr.
Smart for this happening? Do you know every single person who performs
maintenance and/or construction where you live?
"She's living in a manner to one day be fully and spiritually realigned with her
LDS faith." Barzee? Faith? LDS Faith? Give me a break. Spiritually realigned my
foot. You turn the other cheek when someone insults you, because they don't
understand. You turn the other cheek when they steal food from you. You do not
when they systematically kidnap, rape and devastate lives. That is punishable by
life in prison. Sorry. That's understanding and forgiveness because capital
punishment could be the other alternative. Good grief. Realigned with her LDS
faith...that makes me sick. It's so weak an idea. Oh and how about
knowing when and how to be altruistic and having some intuition to not have a
strange pair like them invited into/and around the sanctity of your home and
children. That would have been a good start but that's water over the dam now.
Good for Elizabeth. She's the most intelligent and reslilient one in the whole
My heart goes out to two mothers, Elizabeth's mother for having to go through
this and know what her child did. And Barzee's mother to be in the final years
of her life and to know her child did something so terrible. That past can not
be changed, but the future can and I know that Elizabeth is in her future and
she is moving forward, I hope that Barzee too can move forward and better
herself. Don't yell at me, oh I don't come back to read things anyway. But
nothing would be more awesome then for this woman to change and to heal, should
we wish anything less for her?
@Ex-Pat: If, as you say, "Lois dropped a few pegs in my eyes", then your opinion
is not worth worrying about.
Seven years does not seem like a long enough sentence. 25 years seems to better
fit the crime.
Haven't been following this much lately ... but Lois dropped a few pegs in my
eyes. Haven't been through her trials and, not knowing the tone of any
conversations taking place between the Smarts and Barzee, I don't know if any
request for forgiveness was offered and, if so, was sincere. While reading
this, the story about the Lady who lost her sister in a WWII prison camp and the
Prison guard given at the last conference popped into my mind. Barzee had the
Gospel at some point prior to her actions. Maybe that's a big enough difference
(between Barzee and the guard) in the stories. I hope the Smarts ... all of
them ... will eventually heal. I'm quite impressed with Elizabeth
Maidenwings - I was thinking the same thing, apparently incarceration is like
getting a makeover.
@ LiberalEastCoastMemberYes, I have heard of, and experienced the
things you mentioned. I also believe that God does not divide along the lines of
sane and insane, it is more like accountable and unaccountable.If a
person is accountable they will be held accountable. When man starts to try to
determine who is accountable and who is not, we get into a very gray area. Yes,
there are people who clearly are not accountable, the rest gets pretty tough for
mortal men to determine. If man's mind was simple enough for us to understand,
we couldn't! There is a reason that God is the eternal judge and we are not.I think that it is quite clear that many attempt to use the insanity
defense when it simply does not apply.
You've got to be kidding me "LiberalEastCoastMember". No God is ok
with stuff like Rape, Murder, or things to that level.I'm sure small
lies, saying hurtful things, and other small things like that can be covered
through "mercy", "grace", as you put from the Atonement and repentance.Those things in the middle are harder to say what the Atonement will cover.But in know why is Rape or Murder ok. Sorry only those bad people would
even think the Atonement would make those things ok. If it really did what would
be wrong with going around raping or murdering people.
I'm glad that some closure is happening finally. I just hope that parents in the
future will not be so trusting as to invite strangers to work at their home. The
safety of our families and especially our children must come first. Yes, blatant
crimes were committed here, but they may also have been preventable. I realize
that the Smart family has been through enough and does not need to be judged
here, and no one can control the minds and actions of other people, but we can
safeguard our families but not inviting strangers into our homes. We often tell
our children to be wary of and not talk to strangers; sometimes adults need to
follow the same advice.
"I wonder if God accepts the insanity defense?" asked The Rock at 12:57.The answer is yes, thank goodness! It isn't called insanity but goes by
the name of 'mercy', 'grace', and falls under the umbrella of the Atonement.Perhaps you've heard of it.
I wonder if God accepts the insanity defense. I kinda sorta doubt it.Part of me wants to execute people who do things like this because they
deserve it; however, if we make the punishment for rape and/or kidnapping
identical to murder then what incentive would the perp have to let their victims
live,and possibly become a witness?I like the line in "Second Hand
Lions"; where the decide to nurse the lion back to health; "And then we'll kill
it."I for one would like to see a Guilty but Insane plea. If found
insane they nurse you back to health and then try you for your crimes as if you
had never been insane.I like accountability.Long Live
Elizabeth Smart.Can't say the same for Mitchell or Barzee.
Re: WMB5-- "she looks better." Really? Are you serious? I swear each time I see
a picture of Barzee I hear the "Twilight Zone" theme song!! The old adage "the
lights on but no one's home" has new meaning. Let's not start painting her as
"the victim" in this sickening crime. I work in the court system and have heard
many victim impact speeches. From what's printed in this article, Lois Smart
went easy on her.
If Barzee lived in Hurricane, she could have murdered 3 people and got a
sentence of less than a year. So much for Utah justice.
She does look alot better then before now going to prison for 15 years) what does her lame husband get-LIFE best for him get off the street What a
Look at what a different person she has become. She looks better. I think she
has to feel better about herself now even though she is locked up. She was a
victim of Mitchel too. He used her. Her played her and got her to do things
because he knew how to use her. He deserves more punishment and I hope he gets
I don't think the State Mental Hospital is very "cushy" but Barzee was made
"competent" by her stay there, with medication. Her cooperation and guilty plea
are a good start.
@Metamatics I AGREE As I too lived here SALTLAKE followed this story
of Elizabeth missing from her house..Mitchell is nothing but pedophile.Amazing many YEARS to get him finally charged after his faked mental Breakdown
court apperances!As his wife got a pleaBargain for a waiting game.This case is soaked up dragged thru the mud..
I understand your point...I just feel that it is an injustice to Elizabeth. I
know Elizabeth is a strong girl, who is not letting this ruin her life and she
is not playing the role of a "victim". However, I still feel, both Brian and
Wanda need to be held accountable for their crime. The fact they were able to
live in the foothills behind her home, while people were out there looking for
her, indicates that they are intelligent. They were so smart, they stayed in SLC
and flew under the radar. That doesn't jive to me. If you are mentally ill, you
make mistakes. His ego got him caught. The insanity defense is used to loosely.
I will not doubt that people actually are insane, when they commit
murder...however, it seems more people, like Brian Mitchell and Nathan Sloop are
wasting our time and money, trying to avoid prosecution. But Brian should be
sentenced to life, for the kidnapping, and for wasting taxpayer money and for
claiming to be insane, so he avoids prison.
The constitutional right to a speedy trial has been ignored and mocked for
years. She should have had her trial and sentencing within 2 months of her
arrest. Over 7 years is absurd. While she should obviously be removed from
society in one way or another the horrid think is there are innocent people the
system destroys for years before they are allowed a trial to be free.
It took years and years to fiGuire this out..After ElizabethSmart is
now out of School and moving on with her life~
@ Metamatics - The reason why it took so long is the proper groundwork had to be
laid for this case. Otherwise, on appeal, her case would have been thrown out of
court and they would have had to start from square one again. Either way - it is
a long road of endurance. Given that she has pleaded guilty and is
just going up for sentencing says alot to the fact that she does want to get on
with the punishment phase. Mitchell is self serving, and deserves a harder
sentence because of all the angst he has caused the Smart family - especially
Elizabeth. Life in prison ought to do it.
Geez, that was fast (sarcasm)! It takes them 7 1/2 years to sentence her? I hate
how "high profile" crimes, get dragged on for years. Wanda and Brian, were
caught red-handed. They manipulate the system and get a cushy "State Mental
Hospital" living arrangement. She was a willing, of sound mind participant in
the crime. I do not care what anyone says. This is a slap in the face, to the
victims. It just prolongs justice and healing for the victims. I guess we do not
want the "accuseds'" civil rights infringed upon. I guess their rights, are more
important, then the victims.