re: first2third, you are way off on this subject, as a former Coach/Parent in
accelerated tournaments I have to tell you in 12 years of being involved not 1
time did a recuriter come watch a game and why should they they can't
communicate with these kids until they are Juniors. In the last 6 years of
talking to recuriters they don't usually show up until the end of the HS season
and there are a lot of them at the State Tournament and more than likely you
will see them talking to boys after games, stats are not kept like college teams
keep them its easier for HS coachs to doctor the stats and give false hope to a
recruiter in the College leagues the stats don't lie which makes it easier for
them to not have to watch these kids and spend more time looking for the next
real deal thats in HS. Now if you are talking about accelerated leagues with HS
kids this is a different story but these are summer leagues not accelerated
leagues most of these boys in HS are already accelerated and ahead of the curve!
re me: Recruiters do want to see more "athletes in competion", that is why they
prefer watching an accelerated tournament in baseball, softball, basketball,
etc. As a Former College Coach, I can tell you that the High School Season
coinsides with our College season. I can't go watch recruites when I need to be
coaching my own team. Accellerated tournaments are a much better use of my
recruiting time. IMHO.
high school sports are about more than just winning and losing---the transfer of
a student in seeking a particular coach/teacher is not inherently wrong---the
question is what does the coach offer---parents decisions in the matter of where
their student goes to school should be regulated the same for academic/athletic
concerns---if a coach is in demand because he has access to more post-school
opportunities for kids then use the access across all school boundries---if he
is in demand for producing a winning program of high achieving kids then expand
it across the league---if he is in demand because he has taught kids to maximize
their potential or that he works with parents well or that ???? then use those
skills as widely as possible---it is & always has been about doing the best for
the kids---rules that purport to control competitiveness or unequal access or
that work to the detriment of a single kid are wrong---throw out the
rules---parents, coaches, and administrators work together for the best
experience possible to achieve disciplined, resourceful, learned and wise
graduates so that our world can improve and they can achieve success---
RE: first2thirdAs a former high school and college athlete I can say
you don't have a clue what you're talking about. While playing on an "elite"
team may help some kids get a college scholarship most kids are still recruited
from high school teams. The reason this is true is simple. When a coach or
recruiter visits a school to evaluate an athlete they see more athletes play.
The more athletes they see in competition the more opportunities to recruit
quality athletes who fit their systems. Besides if you got rid of high school
sports you would then have to get rid of all the clubs, and other
extracurricular activities. Over paid administrators salaries and frivolous
spending should be the first things cut. For example I was just at a high school
activity where I couldn't help but notice all the new busses the Jordan District
had. When your average travel for activities is as minimal as it is on the
Wasatch Front why would you need a fleet of new busses? Rural school districts
in Utah who travel a lot further are still using older higher mileage fleets
while urban districts spend needlessly.
The solution is simple. GET RID OF HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS. Get rid of the UHSAA,
Get rid of the expence of travel and the sports themselves. Sports
are a community event. Elite teams compete at high levels all the time and that
is where good athletes are recuted for college. Go back to intermurals in the
high schools. The need for Interschoolastic High School athletics has passed
its usefulness. Sports should be the first thing cut when it comes to
Just more rules to follow.
this rule is being changed because the coaches like the murray softball coach
makes parents mad by allowing girls that cry when the don't make it on the team
and then they cut girls with talent! Coaches now a days are more worried about
what the parents bring to the teams rather than the talent of the girls trying
out for that team. My question is is it truely fair to force a family out of
their home because another school is better academically than there home school?
Shouldn't academics be more important than sports??? Who cares if a student from
magna goes to brighton, isn't it already against the rules for coaches to
recruit let alone talk to any of the players, if they are going to make it
difficult for student/player to transfer maybe they should come down hard on
coaches that have accelerate teams that the coach in the off season.
Does this rule limit parents to where they can send their child....NO!! It just
makes them verify that they are going for academic reasons not athletic. If the
legislators would have paid attention to what has been going on in high school
sports over the last several years they would know that there are parents out
there shopping their kids around. If they are truley going for academic reasons
then sitting out a year is no big deal. Let the rule take effect.
Requiring verification does not assume guilt. If the reasons for the
transfer are valid and honest, and not just coach picking, then verification
will be no problem. Verification is only a burden if you are not
Do the American Legion Baseball concept:In the old days of American
Legion baseball, you had to count the enrollment of any player you took from
another school boundary. So if a team say had players from Olympus, Skyline,
Rowland Hall etc. they would have to count all those schools enrollments. They
also required strict proof of residence, age etc. You could also only have a
certain enrollment figure, I think it was 4,500 back then, maybe different
now.Bottom line is if a school has athletes from multiple school
boundaries on their team (legal residences of players) they just count those
schools enrollments. All the competing schools would do this and then
realignment would take place under these new figures.I think in the
end, schools would start to police themselves. They would then have to decide
if having athletes from other school boundaries would be worth the bump up in
classification. Also, it the whole process above the board and transparent and
I love the new rule and it should stand. The rule is about wether or not you
lose a year of eligibility when you transfer, not wether or not you may
Since the can of worms has officially been opened by UHSAA . . and now our ever
watchful Utah Legislature . . I think it is time to examine the private schools
. . the way they can recruit . . offer scholarships. They have a distinct
advantage on the field of play.
...no rule change would be needed if I parents had played by the previous rules.
What make you think they won't circumvent these new rules?