PLEASE! This makes me ill. It's turning into what the Republicans did to
Romney in West Virginia during the presidential primaries. I was ashamed of the
Republican party that day. Let's not stoop to that level.
Cross over voting is certainly possible, although, and ironically that's what
the changes in the convention and primary rules in the Republican party were
designed to limit 20 years ago. Pragmatically it has never been an issue in any
Utah election then or since. Personally, I think destructive cross
over voting is just a dirty trick that gives politics a bad name and helps
create new cynics. In my opinion voters should only cross over vote if they
actually support a candidate in the other party.Both parties should
be able to put forward their strongest candidates. For the good of the nation,
the best and the brightest should have the best chance to be elected.Those who don't like successful people winning elections, presumably would
have supported the cultural revolution in China.
Noooooo,God's Own Party would NEVER stoop so low!!!It's...it's...it's....unbeliveable!!!I'll bet (shifting my eyes
back and forth, moving toward the camera and speaking softer...)I'll bet,
those were LIBERAL plants at the Utah Republican caucuses last weeked Sheeking and Yelling, and Booing, "pretending" to be be Tea-partiers who
only wanted to make Utah Republican LOOK stupid in the liberal media for the
whole world to think we are a ONE party idiotic State.But, don't
take my word on it.Look it up for yourself.Prove me wrong, ...(hand
to the side of mouth) if you can![sarcasm, off]
To Fiscal Hawk | 12:39 p.m.Your case is different from Cats. S/he
purports to be a Republican, but is advocating playing of a sleazy political
game. You, being a member of no political party, would not be betraying your
political affiliation by what you propose doing. I do have to admit a bit of
curiosity, though -- did you attend a caucus this year or did you (like me)
abstain because you didn't belong to a party?I also am a
conservative (a Goldwater conservative, not a far-right-wing authoritarian who
has hijacked the conservative label). I have no political party; I cannot
stomach the major parties, and find nothing of interest so far in third party
alternatives. Therefore I will not be voting in the primary election because I
see no reason to pretend to be something I'm not, just to play political games.
It just strikes me, though, that someone who wants a conservative
representing the Second District in congress would want both a conservative
Democrat and a conservative Republican in the general election and would,
therefore, be trying as hard as possible to make Matheson (a conserative), the
WOW...people, bring down the rhetoric just a notch and chill out. Just vote for
the person who you think would do the best job and let the chips fall where they
re: Furry1993"In other words, you are saying that you are not honest
in all your dealings (if you wre, you would stick with the party to which you
pledge allegiance). Sad."My loyalty to conservative principles far
outweighs my loyalty to whatever party I happen to be registered with, just like
my loyalty to my spouse far outweighs my loyalty to any other member of the
opposite sex. I register with a party only so I can vote, and I will VOTE
I am going to re-register and vote against Matheson, I would do it twice if I
the bottom line is Jim gets elected with republicans vote after the last time
the republicans tried to redistrict him out anyway and the reason is he is a
I, for one, think this is a great idea, and an opportunity to regain this
critical seat in November. We have been ambushed by the Dems with backroom
plottings, ACORN, and the Minnesota fiasco that seated that braindead Al Franken
in the US Senate. I encourage all interested Republicans in the 2nd District to
join with me on Facebook, Republicans for Claudia Wright, in this crossover
To Cats | 5:41 a.m.In other words, you are saying that you are not
honest in all your dealings (if you wre, you would stick with the party to which
you pledge allegiance). Sad.
The difference between the Atwood-Marriott race is that those cross over votes
did so because they were picking who they felt was the better candidate. But
now some Republicans want to vote for whom they feel is the worst candidate,
thereby gaming the system.I support open primaries and used to vote
in the Republican primary when they had a contested race and the Democrats
didn't. But I always voted for who I thought was the best candidate in that
party. If both parties nominate the best possible candidates, then
theoretically you have two good choices. But hoping your opponents come up with
a bad choice puts the country at risk and is only for the selfish reason of
wanting to win instead of hoping both parties will nominate qualified people
worthy to represent the district.I'll never forget hearing a local
candidate say: "my opponent's a good man...I could vote for him".
Unfortunately, the type of candidate with the humility to say that is in short
What a blessing, the tea party really is working, when Hatch and Bennett got
dumped, from "on the rack, and, out the door", just like a gas station and a
tire change, and now political fallout from last weekend's state GOP and
Democratic conventions is already starting. Well, here's even MORE FUEL for the
fire. Attorney Kris Kobach with a Ivy League education who is the architect
behind many of the nation's most controversial immigration laws, must cover-up
then for the GOP BIG BUSINESS likes and Utah's Magnet and Sanctuary State Status
for illegals and ignores it. On a mission these Mormons reach out to Hispanics,
even though the Church teachs Mormons must also obey all the written laws of the
land. That's Aiding and abetting a criminal under U.S. law even if they baptize
them with not asking first for birth records etc. inside America. There should
NEVER be any compassion on those who did choose to disobey the law. That's the
truth's and that's MY VIEW. What's yours?. I am a LDS Member also. As a outsider
and conservative, I say dump Hatch & Bennett.
This is and has been a democrat trick, we do not need to play this game.Bennett needed to go, Hatch needs to go.Let the democrats
present themselves as they are, and they will continue to fail on their own.Matheson is at least somewhere close to sensible, a rarely in candidates
from that side, but when the national democrats HAVE to have his vote to pass
something, they will have it. They didn't need it for the Socialized Medical
bill, so he was allowed to vote against it.
I am a conservative who plans to vote in the 2nd District Democratic primary,
for Mr Matheson. I believe he is a good man who listens to the people and
represents them well. I don't care if he is a Republican or a Democrat. I think
it is time we start doing what is best for the country instead of whats best for
"Cross-over" votes are scummy and anybody who says otherwise is being dishonest.
Limbaugh ran a campaign on his show in 2008 for Republicans in Ohio to
cross-over vote for Hillary in order to oppose Obama. What Limbaugh encouraged
Republican voters to do in Ohio was a fifth-degree felony in that state,
punishable with a $2,500 fine and six to 12 months in jail. That is because in
order to change party affiliation in Ohio, voters have to fill out a form
swearing allegiance to that party's principles "under penalty of election
falsification."Republicans would decry the practice if it were
employed against them. Just one more example of the hypocritical/dishonest
nature of Republicans. Furthermore, we can vote out all the
incumbents but it isn't going to change the outcome until/unless we change
campaign financing laws. Raising cash for campaigning has become the first job
of Congress. But, there is a Fair Elections Now Act which creates public
financing of campaigns as opposed to coporate donors. We should urge our
leaders to support this bill and put pressure on Pelosi to bring it up for a
@ Cats: don't know why you think I and Henry J are the same person (my
spellcheck apparently works a lot better), or that I'm not a lifelong Republican
just because I'm not a frothing Tea Partier. As a matter of fact I
started the Teen Republicans chapter at my high school way too many years ago
and have worked on several Republican presidential campaigns. The fact that
people like you think that being Republican means not compromising is what is
most wrong with our party!
The only people panicking right now are dems/libs (including the "life-long
Republican" posers who plan to vote for dems in the next election. No Republican
with any devotion to party principles could possibly endorse continued dem party
dominance and destruction of our nation.I like Matheson a lot. I've
supported him in the past, but this nation will perish unless we turn things
around fast--and that requires a change in leadership.
I am not scared nor a democrat. I am an independent who used to be a
republican. Because I have seen a lack of civility, honesty, principles and a
win at all cost mentality from the Republican party, I resigned as a member.
You may vote in whatever primary you wish to. It is legal for you
to do so. You must decided if it is ethical to vote in the democratic primary
when you are not a democrat or independent. That is YOUR choice.
I hope that the real crossover vote will be for Sam Granato. The moderates need
to step up and tell the Utah GOP that we are NOT going to let the state be taken
over by the fourth reich.
Emjay,Then remove him ethically. Two wrongs do not make a right.
If he is as bad as you think, it should not be a problem to talk
enough of the fine people of Utah into voting him out.Right?
re: Lane MeyerHaven't the democrats lead the way in "winning at all
costs" by jamming healthcare, spending, and other legislation down our throats
with zero bipartisan support? They have declared war and it's up to
conservatives to either fight back or be overtaken. By the way,
THERE'S NOTHING UNETHICAL ABOUT VOTING IN AN ELECTION IN YOUR DISTRICT, but
that's what scared democrats would have you believe.
I don't agree with Wimmers take on things.I won't be voting in that
election, we have a senator to choose from, I think Philpot will do fine against
either Matheson or Wright, I have heard his plans and I think he is a more
substainitive candidate than people are giving him credit for...can't wait for
Dear Cedarite: Let me tell you what's underhanded--pretending to be a
conservative in Utah and then going to Washington and voting for Nancy Pelosi
for speaker. How about voting for legislation in committee, voting for the rule
and voting for amendments all the way up to final passage. Then, getting
permission from Pelosi to vote "your district" on final passage so you can claim
to be a conservative back in Utah. Of course, this is after Pelosi knows she
has to votes to pass and let's you vote "no" in order to protect your seat.That's the UNDERHANDED game that Jim Matheson has played for years. No
man can serve two masters, but Jim Matheson has been trying to do that for
years.It's time to get him out.
I believe Henry J. and JCO are the same person. Anyway, I don't believe either
one of them are "life-long Republicans."As an American citizen, I
have a right to use my vote to fight for my country. I intend to vote legally
and ethically in the Democratic primary against Jim Matheson. There's nothing
underhanded about that. It's completely straight forward.
Fiscal Hawk | 8:47 a.m. May 12, 2010 What, exactly, is wrong with crossing
over? As an American citizen, and a resident of the district in question, don't
I have the right to vote in any election? ----------------You CAN vote if you want to vote in the democratic primary. Whether or not
you SHOULD vote in it if you are not a democrat is a different subject. It is your choice.
Forcing and seizing total dominance by low underhanded tactics such as
sabotaging elections doesn't sound particularly "American" or sound very in line
with the Founding Fathers' intents.
Well folks, This is what's known as ethics. Either you have them or
you don't. Either you allow the democrats to vote in their candidate or you fix
the election so that your candidate has a better chance of winning. You must decided individually whether or not you will stoop to the level of
win at all costs, and to heck with ethics.It is your choice.
This one life long republican that has become embaresed with the republican
party and will be voting for good honest men like Jim Matheson and Petter
Coroon. I pray for our state.
What, exactly, is wrong with crossing over? As an American citizen, and a
resident of the district in question, don't I have the right to vote in any
Poor, sad, fake conservatives.
I'm a lifelong Republican and after reading this article I will DEFINITELY be
voting in the Democratic primary--for Scott Matheson.Now that my
party has voted out Bennett, our state's most sane representative in Washington,
there seems to be very little difference (other than a few years maturity and
Lee's slightly more blatant pandering) between the two. So I will be voting
against my party's co-option by the extreme right to work to see Matheson
survive this primary. The fact that this will foil Wimmer's most
sincere strategery makes it all the more an attractive proposition.
Doug Wright (not exactly a flaming liberal) had the right mix of disgust and
sadness yesterday when he criticized these low ball tactics on his show
yesterday. Morgan Philpott came on KSL with a half-hearted
dismissive shrug of "I have no control over these people". Then Rep. Carl Wimmer
came on with an even worse non-apology "apology" for his dog whistle twitter
message to Rush Limbaugh fans.Neither of them (or anyone in
mainstream Republican leadership) has manned up and just flat out said "This is
wrong". And then we wonder why people disengage from participating
in our democracy?
oldman,that's the idea of a political party, get more of your guys in
office. Don't you think the dems work to elect more of thier guys!??Bet Matheson wishes the dems had a closed party like the repubs.
Once again, the Republicans are out to get more of their buddies in office. With
the likes of Wimmer, Chavez and Butterfield and let us not forget the Govenor of
this State. These men are all jokes!!! They should have never been elected.
Their "conservative ideas" come from their religion, not the voice of All the
people of Utah.
I encourage all Republicans in the second district to cross over and vote
against Matheson. It's our best shot of saving our country from these guys.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING Utahns can do this year to have an effect on the nation
is to GET RID OF MATHESON.A vote for Matheson is a vote for Pelosi.
He has played a dishonest game for years of supporting Pelosi in Washington and
pretending to be conservative at home. He votes for legislation all the way up
to final passage and then he is "released" to vote "his district" in order to
protect his seat for the Democrats. He votes the way Pelosi ALLOWS him to
vote.I am one Republican who will be crossing over to vote in the
Democrat primary. Whichever Republican wins the Senate primary will be a good
Senator for Utah. But, in order to make a real difference, we need to get
Matheson out this year.I encourage all Utahns to vote in the
Democrat primary to get rid of Matheson. THIS THE MOST IMPORATANT THING WE CAN
DO TO CHANGE WASHINGTON.Don't be fooled by Matheson's games any
longer. He does NOT represent Utah values.
Utah is the Republican version of Chicago and the Democrats. All we need now is
the Republican convention and a repeat of 1968. They'll write songs
Democrats and independents have the ability to vote in the republican primaries
if they are too register as a republican the day of the election, then
re-register back after 10 days. This is another closed door tactic the
republicans use to oppress voters they do not want, they close all primaries,
caucuses and committee meetings during the legislative sessions. Wimmer uses the
Patrick Henry method to spew his intolerance of others and people of color.
Patrick Henry realized the errors of his ways and changed his political views to
become a strong federalist, supporting a central government, defense and
commerce. We continue to hear the spew over the Founding Fathers, the vast
majority of these were also Federalists, not Democratic Republicans.
Rewriting history may be effective for those that are naive or unwilling to
research for themselves the history of the states, but the history is out there
research it for yourselves. Wimmer has been making a lot of noise for
our state yet his extensive education is POST at Salt Lake Community College.
The man is not formally educated and is a bully paid by the state taxpayers!
Haha, let's do it! Republicans lost a seat in the same way and later closed
their primary.It's payback time!
When Representative Wimmer called for crossover votes, he termed it "chaos Utah
style." Fairly scummy.