Samwise,Fair enough. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.
It's not as if all LA fans are perfect angels. Look forward to
playing you guys again soon....
Los Angeles is boycotting all business with Arizona...Too bad the Lakers will
have to forfeit all games at Phoenix :)
I hereby dub the term "stay classy" as over used. Whoever uses he word shall
henceforth be known as moron. That is all
ed: relative of O ConnorKeep all believing what you want and we
will see you all back same time next year, talking the same things again and
again and yet againBeat the Lakers with Sloan and the
"sloanaholics"Sure....We are not saying the boys did not
play hard and it was a more enjoyable season than last. All good.However, watching the weaknesses get exposed by the Lakers, if you want to
come back with the same team and think it is going to win a "title" I have some
cheap land to sellKeep supporting being average. I beg you...
I have to admit that I was surprised at how well Fes played in this game. I
spent my time watching only him, when he was on the floor. He was blocking out
and helping on defense better than any Jazz player, in quite a while. The
biggest problem is that the 4's have a hard time rotating for him, when he has
to help.Yes, I am a Sloanaholic and I will be back next year. I
liked the progress of this time, this year. It is still a lot of young players.
They will get better.
Give them a break, they played a team with 3 centers when we have 1 center.
can't play fes 48 minutes, we had to play small ball at some point. we just got
out-sized, there's not much more to say about it except it would have been nice
if boozer showed up. gasol was giving him lessons out there. we need a
replacement for him. one good year doesnt make up for 4 crappy years.They had a good year, and played hard. just didnt have the right pieces to
play the lakers, you can't blame them for not being tall enough, they did their
best. hopefully the draft pick and a boozer replacement will help.They better find a way to keep matthews, thats all i gotta say. maybe boozer
will help us out with a sign and trade?
Will do Captain L. First off, is trying to do my own season wrap-up, then
updates on Tomic and Dragicevic is the next order of business. Also feel free to
check my mock draft often, as mine will likely adjust right along with all the
big boys.As to Derek Fisher, I can never boo that man for his
decision to move to an area where he could get his daughter treatment. But on
the other hand, folks have to understand that when he decided to rejoin a
franchise that Jazz fans just plain don't like, he has to expect some boos. Of
course, the comments and actions fans made with reference to his daughter are
unexcusable. But he'll never receive a warm reception in SLC from fans, so folks
ought not to be surprised when it happens. I still think he's a class act,
though, even though I think folks would have been less angry if he'd gone to
play for the Knicks or the Nets.
HEY EVERYONE ITS GONNA BE OK...The Master Toddfromsantaana said that
Bill Laimbeer coached Karl Malone's Daughter.....WOW!!!!we've got a new
coach on the horizon....thank goodness....anyone that coached the Mailman's
daughter must be great!!!!There must also be someone out there that
coached one of Stockton's kids..maybe he can be the assistant coach...
Re Chuck Nunn : I agree, with your comments about Fes. Let me know when
your post will be available regarding Ante Tomic. Looked at several of the
mock drafts when I went to your site, interesting. Liked Tom Izzo's mock.Let me know what you think of Udoh, Izzo had him at #6or7.
The problem with Sloan is that there is really a blue print now on how to beat
the Jazz. All the coaches seem to have figured it out....Sloan is notinnovative enough or inspiring enough to stay...He needs to reture.
Number on paper do not win championships... I dont care how many more points
The Great Darren Williams scores than Fisher.. Untill Williams can get as many
rings as Fish does he is not better on the hardwood.. Paper maybe but as I see
Fish is at LEAST 4 times better the darren williams right now!!!
Bugoff, do you even have season tickets? You are so happy to spend the Jazz'
I think the best strategy is to 1. try to get the Jazz organziation
to get the most and best talent they can.2. fix the weaknesses.3. get Greg and KOC to put some pressure on Sloan to make adjustments he
should. 4. Wisely pay the lux tax as needed.Jerry is not
going to retire and he is not going to be replaced. The next best approach it to
try to get enough talent and change to win.
To LAfanThe vast majority of Jazz fans that I know are more like Sid
and less like the idiotic judgmental Jazz fans who aggravate you. If you think
those fans aggravate you as a Lakers fan, just imagine how it is as a Jazz fan.
I personally always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. LA does have
some of the best Cancer treatment. And frankly, I can't really blame him for
taking the best job in an area that has such great cancer treatment (as opposed
to going to New York or New Jersey).So please don't judge the Jazz
fan base as a whole based on the words and actions of a few loud, obnoxious,
rude, and classless fans. Also, if I could, I would tell TNT the same thing. It
is frankly ignorant in and of itself to say that a fan base is ignorant or rude
or anything based on the classless actions of a few.
The Jazz deserve better fans. You guys have a hall of fame coach, in the same
league as Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich. After those 3 no one else is close.
Sloan gets more out of players than any other coach in the league.Your team was overmatched in this series. The Lakers are the one contender
that beats you in SLC. Throw in your injuries and you didn't really have a
chance. Complaints about Fisher are unfounded and classless. Two
cities have centers that deal with pediatric retinoblastoma. At the time Fisher
was considered to be way overpaid and on the downhill slide. NY did not want
him. LA did. He took a pay cut going to LA, and did Utah a favor at the time. He
very graciously acknowledged the class act by Larry Miller in releasing him from
his contract, and went to an LA team that was in shambles and a noncontender.
Had he not been released, or had LA or NY not signed him, he would have retired.
Notice how none of the Jazz players make the same stupid comments that their
fans make?Had Utah won, I'd be rooting for them.
Jazz, No one makes you accountable for your efforts, not even yourselfs. You
should only get paid if you win, wouldn't that change things! You would see a
whole new level of play, every game. Now, Jazz need to replace front office,
bring in someone who could actually make some decisions, fire Sloan (time to
retire to the ranch)get rid of booooooozer, change the line up.
Sloan will never be fired. Like the clowns in the state, most like "being
competitive" and refuse to ever want better for them and theyr'e lives. Total
boring complacency.We can only hope "Jer gets frustrated and tired"
and quits.He said publicly, he does not like change. I believe he
would not want John Salmons, Joe Johnson Or Chris Bosh.THey
would be "threats" to his coaching, continuity, change, and to the
"sloanaholics"Who would I like that would likely come to Utah?Avery JohnsonBill LaimbeerBoth are being interviewed
for multiple coaching vacancies. Yeah I guess "they really stink"Toughness and Defense, energetic, sound and positive leadership. People
thought Bill would not be a good fit in the WNBA and won 2 titles. He coached
Karl Malone's daughter.If you want change in players: the only way
is if you offer a package "to Jer" to go back to the farmOn his way
out he can cleanse and take with him "the Sloanaholics"
Thanks Jerry for another great season. Thanks for putting out a quality product
on a tight budget. I am certainly not happy about being swept by the Lakers,
but I do appreciate all that Sloan does putting together players and teaching
them team ball. Hope you are back for another go at it! Go Jazz!!!
Thank you Sid 6.7 for giving me hope that there are some decent Jazz fans still
out there. It's one thing to hate a player for choosing your rival (despite the
fact that LA has the BEST cancer treatment in the world). It's another thing to
taunt him by yelling "cancer" and covering one eye while he shoots a free throw.
"Fisher lied" t-shirts are disgraceful and should not have been allowed in the
arena. That show you the poor taste your organization displays. Larry Miller
was a class act. The fans have continued to prove themselves the rudest, most
obnoxious group in the land. One of my closest friends in LA was a
die hard Jazz fan growing up. Even he can't stand the disgusting antics from the
fans.The Clippers have Baron Davis. LA was in serious need of a PG.
The man took a serious pay cut to give his daughter medical attention. Did ONE
Jazz fan bother to comment on how his daughter was cured? NO. Instead you
continue to pout and whine and cry about how he went to your rival.Basketball is a game folks. Not life.
If Fes consistently plays as well as he did last night and is paired with the
right PF the Jazz will be formidable. If Fes develops an average offensive game
he will be one of the better Cs in the NBA. I understand that he is
still raw but he has only been playing 20 minutes for about 10 games and those
minutes are against Nene, Gasol and Bynum. He is doing really well for just
being thrown to the wolves.He totally altered DEN's inside game and
attacking guards. He altered LA's inside game and made Kobe pay when he came
inside. Kobe still came inside but he missed some point blank shots after
getting clocked a couple of times. Kobe has more guts than Lawson
but he still paid a price. I wonder how his finger feels today. He hit Fes and
had to go out for a re tape.
SokolThe Spurs got swept, does this mean Pop needs to go? Of course not.
When a coach makes it to the 2nd round with a banged up team (and when they were
not supposed to make it out of the first round) they are doing something
right.The Lakers have better players at EVERY position except for PG
and have one of the best coaches EVER. Is it so terrible and unacceptable to
lose to them? The Jazz were in every game and had a chance to win each except
for game four despite these disadvantages. I would say that is a good enough
job for a coach.
Anybody who can't see that Fesenko played a man's game last night and gave the
Jazz a shot at winning a game they were totally out of needs to go back and
watch it again. I hope he comes back to this team and is a part of it for
seasons to come.
I thank Jerrry because he used what he had and he delivered a great product, we
beat the Tugs when every one including some of you were counting the team out
after game 1 in Denver. As for Buzz, you should go and post your
comments on L.A. times or any media in So Cal, you are talking about class, well
show some class and don't write any more of your comments about your Lakers in
here, we are helping each other to make this end of the season easier and we are
looking the way to make our team, "The Utah Jazz" better over the course of the
time. I think the Lakers-Sun will be an interesting series, the
NBA Final will be Lakers- Cavs, referees will make sure that that happens. And
the King will reign at the end of the season. This summer will be
really busy, draft, free agency, world cup, and I hope the front office has
listened to Deron's requested last night and they do what ever needs to be done
in order to have a Championship team and not a 4 o 5 seeded as he said.
MrsH, yeah they did call us ignorant, which was ignorant in itself. ALL fans are
emotional. heck, we even condemn our own team at times, but for them to call us
ignorant was absolute rubbish. everyone knows that the u of u hospital has one
of the best cancer treatment centers in the nation. fisher, supposedly, wanted
to leave utah to take his daughter (who suffers from retinoblastoma) to seek
medical attention elsewhere.are you telling me that the u of u
doctors/staff weren't good enough or equipped to handle her condition?anyway, that's where it all stemmed from.
Water Rocket It is miss management of the Sloan system prevents the Jazz from
going deep in the playoffs.The Jazz Organization had a PF and C who
could not defend, wings who could not shoot and also refused to put enough
money/talent into the team to create a winner. The wings can shoot
better. Okur is out but does not have a developed replacement. The PFs are
undersized. The interior D is still porous but better in the last game with Fes
playing better. The Jazz insisted on continuity. They have been
forced to make changes. There finally is some hope. Now if they will
get the right players for the key positions and get enough talent in the team
they might contend.The Jazz built weaknesses into this team and then
refused to fix them. Hopefully this next time they get it right and keep it
going. Udoh is a little soft (maybe fix). Monroe plays with one hand
(fixable?). Get a AK clone who can shoot better in the 2nd round.
Develop Fes/Koufos/Gaines. Resign Mathews who will get
better. Add an inside out set of plays to unpack the paint.
I wonder if other people are saying its time for Sloan to hang it up. I think
its time for him to go......I saw nothing from Sloan to want him back.When
a good team gets swept, even Sloan should be on the firing line...
No team likes to loose, and no true fan is happy when their team looses.
Frustration aside, we are lucky to have a quality Jazz team year in and year
out, with injuries, egoes, uncoachable "height" issues, other teams with fat
wallets, and so forth. One great thing Phil Jackson does that I think is great
is how he teachs phylisophically (sp) as well as X's and O's to get his team to
"think" as a team and give it their all every game.
I have to say never have I been more embarrassed to be a Jazz fan than I was
last night. Not because our team lost but because of how some of our fans
acted. Did two women (and I use that term lightly) show up with T-shirts
which read "Fisher Lies"? Words can never describe how utterly low class that is
and it boarders on the moronic. Nay, it is totally moronic.To personally
attack a professional basketball player for switching teams so he could better
care for his child with cancer is pathetic at best and neither of you should
ever be allowed to set foot in the ESA ever again.Your both an
embarrassment to our city to our state and to the Jazz organization! Shame on you both!
Hey Water Rocket-The Lakers have only one free agent on their team
that has any signficant playing time: Ron Artest and this is his
first year.Kobe is homegrown, Fisher is homegrown, Bynum is
homegrown. Ariza was homegrown last year. Maybe you are referring to
them signing Josh Powell?Gasol and Odom were traded and the Lakers
gave up Shaq in his prime, Marc Gasol and two draft picks. Even Popovich now
says that trade was a good one for the Grizzlies. Google it if you don't believe
If AK and Memo were healthy all throughout the playoffs we would probably be
headed back to LA right now with the series tied 2-2 and fans would be happy as
clams. Come on people, you can't lose your entire inside game and expect to
compete against the biggest team in the league. The Jazz did the best with what
they had but you can only squeeze so much blood out of the rock. Next year the
Jazz need to go get a bigger power forward plus bring in some more inside
players to help out Memo.
Sportzfan-Against that person's best interest? You mean against the
Spazz fan's jealousy right? Would you be happy if he went to the Clippers
instead? What if he helped them become a contender and then beat the Jazz? You
would be crying the same.The man took 8 million less to go and play
for the Lakers. What do you have to say about that? Does that make sense to you?
The man wanted a ring that badly? He already had 3!One of the
biggest problem I have with all of this is the hypocrisy among Jazz fans. Let me remind you. When Boozer joined your basketball team, he basically
lied to the ownership of the Cleveland Cavs by stating he would resign if he was
"released early" from his contract, but turned around and signed with the Jazz
instead for a bigger contract. Talk about hypocrisy! Once again,
to those unclassy Utah Jazz fans, enjoy your off-season... you got what you
1 more comment, I have really enjoyed Boozer in the last half of the season
this year. He has shown a real commitment to the team that he didn't show
before. I don't know if it was simply to increase his trade-ability, or if he
actually wants to make the Jazz a better team. If his thinking is the latter,
then I hope he stays, but if he is just trying to look better so that he can be
traded, then I hope he moves on. As for D Will, I think he gives it his all
(ala Sloan style) and this is his team to make it a championship team. I just
hope that we don;t hear that the Jazz are going to draft the "best player
available." I hope that they go after a talented big for a change.
The Jazz are in the smallest market in the NBA, yet have one of the best
won/loss records in the legue. Sloan has to develop his players, while LA
simply buys the best talent (with the exception of Kobe). ANY NBA caliber
player with a chance of playing in Utah or LA for the same money will always
choose LA. Still, the players who have family interests in mind will choose a
far safer Utah. I thank Sloan for what he has done, even though I think he is
about as charming as a bull in a china shop.
Fans behaving like a bunch of whining thugs... kind of like the players they
Hey Samwise-no doubt d-will and d-fish are NOT comparable, EXCEPT when
d-fish is playing d-will! for some reason, d-fish has d-will's head.d-fish also gets to bump d-will a LOT, and then deron loses his cool when he
doesn't get a call. it's happened almost every time they've played....to me, the most visible stat for the jazz was assists. 15 or 16 on average
probably for the series, and 25+ on average for the season. there you go. a
lot of that is missed shots which would have been assists, or blocks, but a lot
of it also is not making that extra pass. 10 fewer assists per game is a LOT
when you consider any player averaging 10 a game would be an elite point guard
all-star.for some reason, the jazz didn't trust their offense.
yeah, you'll get 10 or 12 blocked maybe, but shoot 50 layups, and you still get
30 of them to go down.....you can see that they just didn't trust that they were
going to be able to score inside....on to next year!
This may be Jerry's best job of coaching ever. Too bad they ran into Kobe and
the Lakers so early but Jerry took a team with one legitimate NBA starter in
Williams and one-half of a legitimate offensive NBA starter (Boozer on offense
only) and had a fabulous season. He of course has a group of great 6th through
10th NBA players but unfortunately some of these off the bench players are
starting and getting paid starter's salaries. That will not get it done in the
playoffs. Yet we have a good product here because Jerry gets so much out of
what he is given. He has a center that is a 3 point shooting 7 foot guard that
can't keep with his counterparts. A starter salary in Milsap who is a man
without a position but an awesome 6th or 7th man and as they said on the
original Gilligan's Island intro, "and the rest". This is a team that could
easily drop to the bottom of the charts but somehow Jerry has them contending.
Nice job Jerry. I hope in the future you get the personnel you deserve.
RE: Johnson72Here is a sampling of D-Will's and Fisher's stats:Last night:D-Will had 21 points 9 assists 2 steals and 4 reboundsFisher had 10 points 1 assist 3 steals and 5 reboundsAverage for
the year:D-Will: 18.7 points 10.5 assists and 1.3 steals 4.0 reboundsFisher: 7.4 points 2.5 assists 1.1 steals 2.1 reboundsYes, the
Lakers have the Jazz beat at every other starting position (PF because of size
regardless of stats). But you would have to be a fool to think that Fisher is
better then Williams. Don't get me wrong, I like Fisher. He is my favorite Laker
and probably one of my favorite players in the league (which is a hard thing for
me since he is on the Lakers). But he is not better then Deron Williams. Not by
a long shot.
What a embarassment! I attended the game last night with my 14 year old Grandson
and was mortified by the behavior of the fans around us. Give Fisher a break!
The doubting Thomas's who imply he had another motive may indeed be correct.
What was it? To get away from a mediocre team, a mediocre city or perhaps
mediocre classless fans
Buzz, I for one wouldn't ask someone to help me take care of my
family, and turn around and do something which was definitely against that
person's best interest. That Fisher would, and you approve, speaks volumes
about both of you.
I will happily Boo Fisher forever. I cannot stand that man. We all know the
Jazz need better players. If Okur/AK was there healthy we don't get
swept, but we still loose this series. Fes played well tonight - Some team is
going to spend on him and he will be gone. As far as I am concerned
the only 3 players untouchable are Williams, Matthews, and Millsap. I like to
keep AK - for the fact that in 2 years we should be able to have him for about
1/4 the amount he is being paid now. Miles is playing well, but I still think
he is absolutely replaceable. Wish the Jazz wouldn't have resigned
Okur. Boozer defense was horrible this off season. But he played a lot of
minutes and showed Hart. Sap was great and the future.The Jazz need
another Big (who plays defense and can score on the block. Yes the
Jazz need better players down low. Fes played his best game of the series and
now some team will make an offer to him and the Jazz won't match. There are
about 100 big better than him in this league.
Go Suns now, I guess.Although I think Sloan has done some good for
the franchise in the past, I actually am beginning to agree that it might be
time for him to retire. It might be better for him as well as the team.
As far as the draft is concerned, at this point (and things could change), I
like Udoh as my first pick, then Monroe or Motiejunas. Udoh is 6'10", long,
athletic, shot blocker, defender, handles the ball like a pt forward. Monroe is
6'10/11, not quite as athletic nor is he as good a shot blocker, he plays smart,
you can facilitate your offense thru him, pretty one sided (lefty). Motiejunas
is 7' and very offensive minded, good mobility, they compare him to Bargnani of
Toronto. All three play the 4 spot and would give us size and length we now
don't have. I like Udoh because of his shot blocking, defense, and ball
handling. None of the three will be able to come in and replace Booz to start
the season but AK can fill in at the 4 (as can KK & Memo). If Fes and Kk can
develop and we get one of those 3 in the draft we'll be in pretty good shape for
the future. If the Jazz decided to go for a 3 man in the draft, Johnson or
Aminu would be good but they maynot be there when we pick.
Here is the difference between a level-headed fan and a delusional one:When my Lakers get to the Finals, I would not be surprised if the Magic beat
them. I would tip my hat to them and say they are a great team and deserve
it.You won't hear me complaining about anything or trying to put
down Magic players or coaches to make me feel better.The Lakers
can't win every year. It is possible that there are teams that are better than
them. It is possible that they get outcoached. It is possible that they get
I've been to a Jazz game when they played the Lakers and I heard it all from
Jazz fans. So I don't blame the Lakers fans from giving the Spazz fans a taste
of their own medicine. I'd like to see some Jazz fan try to break my nose. Oh and you go ahead and relish the fact that a younger 6'8" player was
able to swat an older 6'1" player. I think Fisher needs to stop playing with all
of his championship rings on so they don't weigh him down.Funny, how
the Lakers still scored on that possession and Fisher only got swatted because
he had just stolen the ball from the "best point guard in the NBA." How's that
for an old man?
RE Chuck : Fes played a very good game, 12 boards, physical, tough, aggressive,
didn't get many touches but still scored 4 pts. I thought he showed
improvement.Re Tyler: The point to be made about Fes and the plus / minus
statistics is : When Fes is in the game the Jazz out scored their opponent. It
doesn't mean the player is a great player, it just means while they were on the
floor their team either scored more, thus a plus statistic or they scored less,
a minus statistic. While Fes was on the floor the Jazz were plus 9, while DWill
was on the floor they were minus 19, it is not necessarily an indication of how
a player played. What we are trying to say about Fes is that while he is on the
floor the Jazz usually out score their opponent. And that is what we want. This
has been the case all year,not just last night. That is why Fes has a positive
plus / minus stat for the year. Fes has a lot of potential and just needs
playing time and coaching. Hoping Fes works hard this summer and gets some
I've heard rumblings that the TNT announcers called Jazz fans 'ignorant'...Any
info on that? (I didn't watch the game...)Was it the fact that they
were booing Fisher?
it seemed to me that Sloan left Boozer in solely to let Boozer know the Jazz
want him around, not because he was helping the team at that moment. If he does
what he should've done he pulls Boozer and puts Fes back in and leaves Boozer on
the bench. I think Sloan is one of the greatest coaches in history and we're
lucky to have him, but frankly last night was frustrating to watch. Boozer is so weak mentally that you could see immediately he didn't believe he
could do anything against the Lakers and the Jazz had no chance with him in the
game. Sign and trade him, but don't bring him back.
Coach Sloan said it correctly; the Jazz need a couple more pieces to round out
this team and become a true championship contender. It will be interesting to
see what happens to the roster during the off-season. My prediction for this
year:Orlando beats the Lakers in the finals.
to Buzz: STayl classy Laker Fans, I was at the game last night, and the taunting
by some of your fans made BYU and Utah fans look very classy, the greatest
moment last night was when I saw a Lakers fan taunting some Jazz fans, and the
next thing you know the Lakers fan was on the ground crying with a broken nose.
Oh and when Fisher got swatted and put on the ground.
Have fun whereveryour Travels may Bethru the Seasons..So close
to a great finishThanks once again UtahJAZZ :)
Funny, but I heard the announcers say that Fisher gave the Jazz a list of teams
that they could trade him to so that he could help his daughter. They decided to
just let him go.He happened to be going to New York for treatment at
the time so obviously that was probably one city he had on the list.So do you Jazz fans know if he tried to sign with a New York team? You must
all have ties with his agent to know exactly what they did right?Would you go and play for the Knicks or Nets if you could play for the Lakers?
He took 8 million less to play for them. That doesn't sound very smart.So according to you, since the Jazz let him out of his contract that meant he
had to go to a team that was awful? He couldn't go to a team where he was
familiar with the system or had a good chance of winning? He couldn't go where
his family would be most comfortable.Stay classy Spazz fans.
Thanks for the great season Jazz. Go Suns!!! Take out the Lakers. Lakers are
just bigger and deserved to sweep that series. I hope management takes D-Will's
message to heart, we need a few more pieces. Of course, they never listen and
never get a talented big man. It will be the same story every year, 4-5 seed as
D-Will stated. He is gone as soon as he can get out of here because Jazz
management won't try to improve where it is needed to be a championship team.
As for booing Fisher, we loved him while he was here and I still respect him,
but he claimed he had to go to New York, not L.A. Jazz let him go free and
clear. I hope his daughter is doing better, but what he did was classless going
to LA instead of NY. Still wish him the best of luck. Go Jazz, can't wait for
another typical season next year.
Sneaky Jimmy-What about Dirk Nowitski?I really don't see Jazz
management putting together a big name trade. They are content with average
records.Rumor has it Bosh might be going to OKC. That would spell
disaster for any team hoping to get to the finals out of the west.
Here's to the postseason! Hopefully the draft or the free agent market yeilds
some hope for next year...
Thanks for the great season Utah Jazz! I'm looking forward to next year.
The only reason why I come on these boards is because of the delusional things I
read from Spazz fans.Jealous, delusional Spazz fans are so blind and
such hypocrits that I can't just leave it alone. If your team was being
villified like I see Spazz fans doing to the Lakers then you would respond as
wellI have never heard fans cry so much about ref or NBA bias, star
treatment, egos, salaries, etc. To think that the Lakers have 15 rings as a
product of all this is just flat out denial and jealousy. I see many
level-headed Jazz fans on here who are great fans and root for their team
without being babies at the same time. Spazz fans boo and heckle Fisher because
they feel spited. They have all the proof that Fisher double-crossed them and
will not consider that Fisher was ever sincere in his actions.Give
the Lakers credit for being an amazing franchise. There are other teams in the
NBA that get the same kind of treatment or have the same elements in their favor
who do not win anywhere near as much as the Lakers.
Key Learning from Lakers Series:1). Fes is not the answer. You wonder why
Jerry doesn't play him? He's a tall clown.2). Lakers are a better team at
every position except point guard.3). Okur would have helped but would not
have put them over the top.4). Jazz will not be championship caliber until
they get a dominant force inside (ie, Howard, Gasol,).
snakenamedjoe:Your Jazz have won nothing signficant in their entire
history and the Lakers have been in almost half of the Finals in NBA history.
You have no idea what it feels like to support a champion and so you try to
lessen what the Lakers have accomplished to make you feel better.You
Spazz fans keep hitting on the salary issue. Last year was the first time the
Lakers were over the cap while winning the Championship. They were only 3 Mil
over. Let's see, the Jazz are 2 Mil over this year and what did it get them?
Name one team that is a legit contender for the title that is not over the cap.
Your jealousy and hypocrisy is legendary Spazz fans.The Mavs, Spurs,
Cavs and Celtics are all well over the cap this year. You think the Lakers
should field lesser talented teams all in the name of not going over the cap?
That is ridiculous. Paying the most in salary is not a guarantee to success.
Look at Dallas.The Lakers were winning championships long before
money became such a big player in the NBA. Stop your crying.
Another season of "no change".Care to guess how next season will end?Those girls wearing the "Fisher Lied" shirts were cute. I wonder if
they poste here? Give us a shout out if you are ladies!
WHy do you guys always bring FISH's name. THe guy isn't an all star and he's a
LAKER and has played most of his career there. YOu guys take it waaaayy to
personal and need to get a life.
There are way too many posers in this state.
This just shows this group needs to be broken up. Will be curious to see
if Greg pulls it off. It's a disgrace getting swept in the playoffs regardless
of who it is. I just hope the Suns stick it to the Zen Master and Kobe. I'm
looking forward to this off season hoping for a major shakeup.
Utah sports new Theme"Celebrate Mediocrity"
Hard to come back from such a heartbreaker Game 3. Have to believe that there
is 'help' from the ref's. when so many attacks under the basket were rejected
and no calls made. Just follow the money, and you know the Why. Have a good
Do you think Gentry would have utilized someone like Fes? I think anyone in
their right mind would have. I think Jerry Sloan and KOC have put too much
presidence on the importance of Boozers offense. The guys with the rings will
tell you, " defense wins championships." Kevin are you going to tell
us now that the need for big men in the NBA is like the need for the Dinasaur?
If so you are wrong, again this year.* See Lakers.* Magic etc. ( championship
Maybe the problem with the jazz isn'r the players, but the same old coach, who
year after year fails to make it..
Fes should have been playing all year. For the last two years.
could anyone prove me wrong?... No I guess not... But I been saying for
years.... Jazz need new blood.... 20+ years huh???.... You serious???
I'm still waiting for the helium to get to the PartY..... not even I saw this
What a coincidence he didn't end up playing for Sacramento, or the Clippers.
No, he goes straight to the championship contender. I'm sure his daughter was
the first thing on his mind there.So, the lakers get a big clutch
man and starting point guard for nothing. Then a few months later the Lakers
manage to land Pau Gasol, possibly the best big PF in the league, in exchange
for a bag of shiny blue rocks.Surprise, surprise, the NBA darlings
just always seem to have the best players in the league just fall in their
lap.I don't understand how anyone can be a Lakers fan. You pick the
team with the biggest salary, preferential treatment from the refs, the star
players who all want to be there (for the salary and preferential treatment),
and then you somehow think that you're special because the team you picked (with
all the preferential treatment) manages to win all these championships.Then that's not enough for you, you have to go onto a local news website for a
team your team just swept and start crap with the fans.Class Act.
As a die-hard Jazz fan whose completely mad for any team he supports, even I saw
this series ending early. Thought 4-1, so even with my low expectations a sweep
hurts. Being honest the Lakers were simply too long and too talented. Of the
starting 5 it was pretty much a blowout position by position as far as Laker
talent having a huge upper hand on the Jazz except at PG with DWill. Yet Fish
can still get hot and drain those 3s. Plus the Lakers were just too long for
the bread-and-butter of the Jazz which is interior passing. Put two
seven-footers to clog the floor and passing lanes are going to disappear real
fast.As for the Sloan haters please name me one coach you would
rather have coaching this team than Sloan who would actually come to UTAH. Hey,
love the state but am probably in a severe minority when it comes to national
opinion. Jackson and Karl are the only guys I can think of that could be
considered legit better than Jerry (they're not) but neither of them would come
to Utah for any amount of money.
But where is the best point guard??? Oh must be Fisher hnuh???
I wonder if Harpring will the series different....
@utahswept The fans that booed fish were not booing him simply because he left
the Jazz. Fish talked to the Jazz owner to get out of his contract so he could
be closer to New York where his daughter was getting treated. But instead of
going back east somewhere he went and joined the Lakers. We later found out
that Fish had been talking to Kobe while he was with the Jazz and he was trying
to get him to come to LA. That is why a lot of Jazz fans were mad. Because he
was a big part of our team, and he left for the wrong reasons. It wasn't to be
closer to New York.
BugoffCompare Gentry's personell to Sloan's. They are completely
different; therefore, you cannot compare the rotation and line ups they put out.
I still fail to see what you see in Fes. The Jazz were +9 with Fes
in tonight and -19 with Deron in. Does this mean we should play Fes more than
Deron? Of course not. I personally think that stat (when looking at individual
players) is extremely overrated. If the Jazz want to do anything in
the playoffs they need to find a legitimate big and not undersized 4s with
utahswept | 11:34Any fan base that would boo the guy who left their
team so he could get his sick kid better medical treatment deserves seeing their
team swept. You stay classy, Utah.----------NO ONE is angry at
Fisher for seeking medical treatment for his daughter. NO ONE.We
object to a person who asks for his contract to be torn up "so he can do what is
best for his family," and in return does what is worst for the man who helped
him. Fisher's daughter was being treated in NEW YORK. Fisher
could've gone to the Nets, Knicks, Rockets (Houston was an option) or Clippers.
No, he went to the Lakers, the only team of those five which could hurt the
Jazz. Who returns a favor by spitting in someone's face? A "Classy" narcissist
or Laker fan (same thing). "Thanks for helping our family Larry. To
show my appreciation, I'll go to the Lakers and act wounded when I know I
conspired, lied, and spit in your face."We've never ONCE heard
Fisher express gratitude to the franchise or Millers since he left. NOT ONCE.
That speaks volumes.
I still don't understand why Jazz fans are chastised for booing Fisher? Look,
the organization showed unbelievable class by allowing him out of his contract
(name another NBA team to do that - ever!). It was Fisher, not the Jazz, who
chose to go to a hated arch rival (29 other options) and his former team only
two weeks after being let out of his contract on grounds of finding better
medical coverage for his daughter. Jazz fans are understandably suspicious
because Fisher was flying back and forth to NY (not CA) to help his daughter
while on the Jazz. If he is being honest and made that request with integrity,
then he shouldn't regret his decision. But why are Jazz fans precluded from
doing what any loyal fan base should - boo the enemy. IT'S A GAME!!!Booing is not necessarily calling his integrity into question. He chose go to
LA and signed up for the consequences of Jazz fans casting him as a villain. I
wish Fisher and his family ALL THE BEST - but GO SUNS! Time for Lakers fans to
get a reality check and realize booing is part of the game - not life!
@ utahsweptI agree it is classless to boo anyone or especially to say
"they suck" for that reason. However, Derek Fisher could have easily commuted to
LA to get the care he felt his child needed. In contrast, the much hated Boozer
had his equally ill child with sickle cell anemia treated in Florida yet he
stayed with the team and honored his contract. The Fisher case illustrates how
it will be difficult for Utah to ever contend for the title again because they
can't attract superstar free agents. Fisher took an $8 million pay cut to play
I'm with you Bugoff. Sloan has preset rotation and follows, did not want to
change no matter what. Where was AK. Boozer place was in bench. Deron can't
handle pressure (He let Fisher go under skin). Millsap too short even plays
tough. I pleased to see Fes slowly start playing true center. That hoop was very
good. Sloan needs to go leave Jazz alone. He choose Boozer over AK (destroying
his career)and failed big time.
Nobody thought they would make it out of the first round. Nice season.
Hopefully koc will work some magic in the offseason to improve the team.
The Jazz have to go bigger at PF. Booz is a great talent but he is just over
matched by LA. Millsap is younger, cheaper and has more upside. This is the best
Booz is ever going to be (at least for the Jazz). Millsap will still
get shot over by Odom/Gasol/Bynum. But if he has a big tall good back up and IF
Sloan would play match ups the Jazz could live with Millsap at PF for a year or
2. The Jazz do need another wing who can shoot and defend. They need
an other AK with a better shot. Gaines shows promise. OJ should
develop. I like his play a lot. Mathews will get better fast. However he is a
little short and not quite quick enough to guard Kobe. However, the more he
plays the better he will get. He did a remarkable job for a rookie. I have some hope for the Jazz IF the front office will just make the right
adjustments. I think draft a PF in the first round. There are a
couple 6'10" SFs in the 2nd round who might help a lot. Design an LA
Terry: Those two push in the back fouls were legit calls. If he would stop
playing lazy D and start moving his feet, some of his fouls would go away.
CJ has come into his own. He fouled hard, shot well and has a complete game. Booz had lots of rebounds but did not shoot well. Millsap has a
different style. He shot well but could have had more rebounds. The
Jazz can get by with Millsap/AK at PF until they can develop/get the PF of the
future. Koufos had limited minutes but played well. For the Jazz to
beat LA they have to have enough size inside. Then the guards do not have to
help inside and leave their man open. The help defensive scheme has lost the
Jazz a lot of games. The constant compensation by the guards to help inside have
gotten the Jazz bombed quite a few times this year. GET a PF who can defend and
score. If the Jazz have enough talent/depth to match up with the
contenders and Sloan plays the match ups then they can contend. The
Jazz have to have more talent. Sloan has to use the talent right and play the
match ups. Gentry is a better coach at this point. He is more
flexible. The Suns can play gun and 1/2 court.
One other thing missing is another player besides Deron who can create his own
or others shots. Maybe moving up for Ohio State's Turner would be an option.
Bottom line is that they can't miss on this pick, too much riding on it. If they
do we'll be set back a few years.
Now onto the off seasonI used to be on the fence but i'm now
completely against Booz coming back, even if reasonably priced. If he's not the
answer now against the Lakers, will he ever be? He's not getting any better. And
I honestly think Milsap has passed him offensively. He's consistently hitting
that 18-20 foot jumper and is a better finisher. Way more crafty around the
hoop. Give me Paul and AK at the 4, Fes and Kosta (until Okur gets healthy) at
5. Draft an athletic 4/5 with the Knick Pick, key word is athletic. Our front
line will be fine, maybe improved. Korver can walk and CJ can stay where he is
and hopefully we can add a better wing player to go w/ Mathews, although he can
walk if he so chooses. If the right big man doesn't fall to us in draft than
maybe go w/ best wing player available. If we have to, use Memphis' pick next
year to move up to get a top guy, wing or big man.
There were some important events in this game. Sloan did go back to Fes after
being down big and he stayed with him until he put the closers in (small ball)
and went behind more. I will give Sloan credit for doing a lot with
limited resources. I disagree with some of his approaches but he gets paid 5
mill to make them. The most important thing is Fes established
himself as the C of the future for the Jazz tonight. He hit Kobe hard at least
twice and also Gasol. The Jazz for the most part played better with
him in. He got 12 rebounds. It was obvious all he needs is playing time. If he
had only been developed earlier. He has a long way to go offensively
but that will come with time. He did get 4 points but he played really well. He
affected the Laker bigs and made the guards pay when the came into the lane. The Jazz are 1 big very good PF away from matching up with LA. They can
draft 1. Mathews could not handle Kobe but he will be better next
year and did pretty well.
Sloan is way past retirement age. Whoever the next coach is going to be should
have a say in all the off season trade/freer agency decisions to be made this
summer, so Sloan needs to sail off into the sunset this year. Sloan is a good
coach, but needs to go out with a little grace and style, not in a wheelchair
with the fans all calling for change.P.S. What is the NBA going to
do about the biased referee calls for all stars and big market teams get (Kobey
& Lakers) even on the road! They are losing more and more fans the more they
allow these biased called games to go on! Sometimes you need to win by 20 to
win by 1! I don't like Booze much, but boy he got hosed by the refs tonight!
Any fan base that would boo the guy who left their team so he could get his sick
kid better medical treatment deserves seeing their team swept. You stay classy,
Jerry just said to Phil Jackson. "I hope you win it all". You have got to be
kidding me. They just knocked us out in 4 straight for the 3rd or 4th year in a
row and you "hope they win it all".I don't even know what to say
except "pathetic". How about "Congrats" and then move on. There is not one
Utah fan who hopes the Lakers win it all. More like anyone but the lakers.Come on Jerry how old are you? Nice year by the Jazz. They
are still not good enough to beat this team, but most others teams are not
either. So we add another 50+ win season and Jazz fans will continue to buy
season tickets. So.... Mission accomplished management.
I called before it happened. Shannon Brown all by himselfsure
enough as certain as taxes he gets the ball and drills the 3unguarded
Bugoff, great point about Gentry. I was actually thinking about that today.
You will get heat for your excellent takes, but accept from me..No one wants to
hear the truth..The Suns -Shaq are basically the SAME TEAM THAT LAST
YEAR MISSED THE PLAYOFFS OH AND MINUS MATT BARNESThey say how Sloan
develops young players (Fes and Kous no comment)Meanwhile, the Suns
are doing without one possibly tough defender LopezIt is a team that
has had youth developThe Suns back up point, Admondson and Dudley to
just name a few, and look at Frye improvement..Also, Gentry is
positive, youthful and energetic.It all translates into this miracle
Look at all the open seats! The Lakers have taken the hearts of the fans team
etc. HAHAHAH kinda hard to be LOUD when people don't show up.
Sloanaholics will hate this but the Jazz played well and were ahead when Fes was
in. He hit Kobe in the head. He disrupted Gasol, Bynum and Odom. He did a good
job of stopping Gasol. He contributed in scoring and rebounded. Sloan went small ball and the LA bigs went wild. Then the LA guard got going
as the Jazz guards tried to help inside. I have grown weary of it
all. Sloan cares more about his rotations than winning. I am really tried of it.
Fes has a long way to go but this is pathetic. If it is going well
then stay with it. Booz is just to short. I am grateful for all he
has done but the Jazz front line is just to short. There has to be changes. However, as long as Sloan insists on his predictable rotations the Jazz
will not win. Compare Gentry's coaching with Sloan's. The Jazz will never change.
I am so disgusted with the Jazz. Getting blown out on their home court by 16
points in the second quarter.Sloan needs to go and the management
either needs to bring players in who have heart and pride or they need to get
out of the basketball business.Go Suns!