Brad Rock: Kyrylo Fesenko forced to mature in a hurry

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  • Jazz Source
    April 23, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    re: bugoff

    Dude what do you do for a living besides spending your time writing here?


    Anyways, no doubt we would be a better team with a big dude in the middle. It just comes down to whether Fesenko will have the self discipline to do what it takes to consistently produce.

    Fesenko has the physical capability to be quite good. I think the big question is does he have what it takes mentally to be serious and properly prepare to produce in the worlds best league.

    If he could our team would be much better trading Memo and keeping Boozer....especially if CJ and Matthews continue to develop their ability to hit from outside.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    In a round about way I am trying to make the case that the Retro Defensive C version of the Sloan system may be a better approach than the "modern small ball" or the Euro C version of Sloan's system.

    The Retro may be better but that does not address the key issue of whether or not Fes is the right defensive C to max the system or if the other players are the right players for each position.

    Anyway we are stuck with the Retro version for the rest of the playoffs with the "small ball version" closing due to Fes's bad foul shooting.

    The different versions have different strengths and weaknesses and are best for different match ups. Whoever the Jazz play are going to get both versions.

    Adding back AK gives some versatility as he can play SF,PF and sometimes C.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Fes's Individual Floor Time Stats are 1.10 on offense and .98 on defense with a Net48 of 11.9. That is the highest on the team by far. His Win% is 67.4, second to DWill's 68.5.

    Okur's IFTS were 1.10 offense,1.06 defense net of +4.0. His Win% was 59.2.

    Keep in mind that Sloan was very careful to pick the spots Fes played. If Fes has to log 20+ minutes against bad match ups his numbers will drop.

    However, there is statistical support for our calling for Fes to play a lot more this year. There is some evidence that Fes makes the team play a different style of ball and may make the overall team performance better.

    For the Jazz to be successful they have to make a radical transition to getting a lot more points from the SG and SF positions and they are very dependent on a lot of production from the PG and PF positions.

    Fes has to improve. The team has to adapt very quickly for this to work. Fes makes the team better if he plays well enough.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    Having Fes play C means the points from C drop dramatically and shift (hopefully) to other positions. That happened in game 2.

    It also means that the Jazz offense has to emphasize different plays. It is like a different offense almost as radical as running the wildcat in football.

    This means that DEN must now change defensive strategy. What they used all year to beat the Jazz will not work (at least in part). DEN also has to change their offensive strategy.

    The presence of Fes on court improves the team 10.1 points (Fes's On Court/Off Court - Okur's)(+7.3 + 2.8).

    Small wonder DEN is confused.

    You would not think that changing Fes for Okur is that big of deal but it is a major shift in strategy and philosophy.

    The Jazz have always been different due to the Sloan system but DEN was one team that had it figured out. Now that changes to some degree.

    Dantley understands the Retro Jazz approach but the Thugs may not listen to him?

    The Jazz have some experience playing with Fes. DEN does not.

    Fes could backfire on the Jazz or be a big advantage.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 8:59 p.m.

    Based on 82 game data for this years regular season the Jazz have been producing 22.7 points from the C position while opponents produced only 16.4 with a net difference of 6.3. The net difference for PF was 1.8 and for PG 1.7. SF and SG were negative with -1.8 and 2.6.

    Putting Fes into the C position totally alters the offense from the regular season. It is like a whole new team with a different approach.

    Keep in mind that Boozer and Millsap had been playing some C in most games. Fes also played occasionally. However, this year a lot of offense ran through the C position and opponents scored the least at that position.

    Okur's own production vs opponents production was +1.1. Fes was -6.1. However, Okur's On Court/Off Court net was -2.8 while Fes was +7.3.

    Individually Fes was not nearly as good as Okur at C but having him on the floor made the rest of the team much better.

    These are 2 different approaches to the game. 2 different Sloan offenses.

    It will take time for the Jazz to adjust.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 5:29 p.m.

    Adding Fes recreates the "Retro Jazz". It is a different style of basket ball. The Defense has to be intense most of the game. The PG and PF have to carry the team. Some scoring has to come from the SG and SF. The role of the C changes.

    On offense the C is not longer a scorer but a rebounder and pick setter. The C is now a facilitator. The better/faster Fes learns and plays that role, the better the rest of the team will play on offense.

    On D he has to step up his pick and roll defense and he has to speed up his recognition time and moves in help defense. His primary tasks are also to cut down on Nene's points and anything that comes near the rim.

    If Mathews needs a breather, I would try OJ on Billups for a minute or two and let DWill guard the SG. Fresh legs may create a TO or two. If Billups is disrupted the DEN offense reverts to playground and they lose their inside offense.

    If DEN can't get a lot of points inside the probability of them winning goes down.

  • Chuck Nunn
    April 22, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    @CJ Miles: That's basically what I'm saying. I'd rather have Memo back with Fess backing him up, but he does have a role to play, and when he plays it, very much like Monday, the Jazz have success. I know what you mean about Andrei, but CJ and Wes did a really good job Monday keeping Melo of balance just enough in his game, so if they can keep that up, we'll have us a series here, for sure.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 4:12 p.m.

    If Fes/Koufo can cut down on the inside scoring by DEN it will really disrupt thier offense. They will have to go outside. If Fes/Koufos do nothing except rebound, box out, cut down on the drives to the rim they will have a big impact.

    The Jazz will have to find some points to replace Okur's offense. Currently DEN and the Jazz are 1 and 2 in total points scored in the NBA playoffs.

    It still comes back to defense, rebounding and playing smart.

    The Jazz will lose if they are forced into one on one basketball. Utah has a very good chance if they stay with the system, execute the system and play smart as a team.

    The role will carry the player if the each player will play thier role. The Sloan system makes each role player better than they are on thier own.

    They get killed if they play out of role.

    DEN has always had tons of talent. It was only when they got Billups who made them play as a team that they started to win consistently. Disrupt him and DEN goes back to confusion.

  • CJ Miles
    April 22, 2010 4:09 p.m.

    @Chuck: I think that Fes is definitely a better defender than Memo. I think Fes in an upgrade against the nuggets who attack the basket. Because we have a bunch of scorers, Fes may be the better answer right now.

    However, we are hurting without AK because he can play so many different roles on the team.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 4:02 p.m.

    Monson just wrote a column that reflects the national perception. The Jazz stole one in DEN but The Jazz are playing against an NBA elite team with a DWill, Boozer, some role players, rookies and D-leaguers. They could not possibly win 3 more games.

    Actually some of the national commentators think the Jazz do have a chance. There is an important reason why. The Jazz used to win with stars at PG, PF and with Otag (and other defensive Cs) and with role players. It is the old Sloan system vs the newer more modern, small ball and Euro C version (2 different versions).

    The key questions are how fast can the Jazz make the transistion and is Fes better than Otag?

    The better Fes/Koufos play the better chance the Jazz have. The better the role players run the system and shoot from the outside the better the chance.

    Melo is going to get 30. Billups and Nene are the keys. Also stopping outside shooting by JR and Afflalo.

    If DWill is not disrupted, the role players run the system and Fes/Koufos come thru the Jazz can do this.

    SA beat DAL, POR beat PHO. Geaux Jazz.

  • Chuck Nunn
    April 22, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    Well "Rumors" it's unfortunate that you can't see the correlation between Fesenko's presence inside and Boozer's hugely successful rebounding night. Or how points in the paint had to be earned with way more work for Denver than in Game 1. But it's no accident that the Jazz are 6-0 when he does start. With practice time on the first unit, he's going to be a bit sharper than what we saw Monday, and he'll need to be. But he's filling his role, just like the whole team did Monday, and if that continues, the Jazz have a good chance.

    April 22, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    I agree with Captain L, as he will play more he will contribute more, Denver will adjust on him, but still is an unknown player and am sure Sloan will adjust him as well, and will do some more work with him in order to get it in better positions. I don't think the series rest on him, but he carries a lot of the load of it, he will need to Post D-Will better cuze they will try to trap him and not let him take shots or drive to the basket, so having Fes in front of him will open some spots wher Booz, Milsap and CJ can explote.

  • Bugoff
    April 22, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    Fes has 6 fouls to give. It took the first Q for him to start to get it figured out. Further, the whole team has to adjust to a different version of the Sloan offense. More points have to come from the SG and SF positions with Okur out.

    The defense also changes as Jazz players adjust to Fes.

    They have some practice. That will help make things run better.

    Fes is creating space and blocking out Thugs down low. Boozer is getting some of his rebounds as Fes is keeping Nene and others from getting them.

    If Fes fouls out, Koufos can rebound, defend and set screens. That is 6 more fouls. Not that we want DEN on the line.

    If the Jazz can just hold home court the next 2 games they will be on their way to making the transition from a Euro offensive C to a defensive C version of the Sloan system.

    They need AK for depth and defense especially at SF. CJ and Korver played one of the best games I have seen them play. It will be a miracle if both of them can keep that up for the next few games.

  • Sokol
    April 22, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    Fesenko is the missing piece for the Jazz....I hope Sloan gives him more chances. Life in the Ukraine is not that easy, poverty and corruption, at least he was able to laugh about his circumstances. Fesenko humor is just a survival tool....The guy is just a great person.

  • Captain L
    April 22, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    I have called for Fes to get more playing time all year, he has a ton of potential. He is playing hard but because of a lack of playing time he is unsure of himself and what he should be doing. Sloans fault. Fes has more of a positive effect on the game than many people want to admit. Even if he doesn't score he really helps in a positive way.
    He alters shots, bangs, and doesn't allow the other teams bigs to go where ever they want.
    I feel if he can stay out of foul trouble and just intimidate, bang and disrupt, he will be a big help.
    As he gets more comfortable he will score more and rebound more.
    Fes has way more to offer than Eaton or Tag brought to the game, I just hope he can get serious, work harder and become the player he has the potential to be.
    That being said, I feel the Jazz have the players they need for the future at center, in Fes and KK and therefore they don't need to look at a center in the draft.
    Look at Jan Vesely, 6'11" 3man.

  • Rumors
    April 22, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    to rvalens2,

    Did you watch the game? If you still have it go back and take a look at what Denver did. As soon as the game started they went right at Fes and had a ton of success scoring right over him.

    I expect much more production out of the tallest guy on the court than 2 rebounds in 20 MINUTES.

    Even though his stat line was horrible and Denver scored on him repeatedly early on and he ended up have major foul trouble I do think he helped. You can't play Booz and Milsap 48 minutes and the Jazz need help at the 4 and 5 spot with Memo and AK out.

    My biggest worry is that Denver will adjust to Fes and attack his weaknesses. He was a bit of an unknown to them. I hope the Jazz can get some solid minutes out of him without him being exploted.

  • rvalens2
    April 22, 2010 12:02 a.m.

    Yup ... Fesenko plugs up the middle.

    When he was in the game Denver's players avoided driving to the basket. As soon as Fes left, they marched right on in and got some easy layups.

    I also loved the effect Fesenko's presence had on Boozer. With Fes in the game Carlos was able to keep his focus on playing power forward; instead of a center/forward hybrid.

    As much as I like and admire Okur, I've never felt that he's a true center. Personally, I think the Jazz would be better off playing Memo at power forward, at least some of the time.

    Here is a lineup I would love to see on the court together: Fesenko, Okur, Millsap, Williams and Matthews.

  • CJ Miles
    April 21, 2010 11:54 p.m.

    If the Jazz have to rely on Fes to win the series, they won't win it.

    Fes just needs to clog the middle and stay out of foul trouble in the first half.

    Where is Koufus?

  • Chuck Nunn
    April 21, 2010 11:34 p.m.

    They will be coming after him to try to get him out early with fouls, but he needs to stay with it Friday, and Sloan needs to stay with him. The team needs what he can bring, and if he can bring it, Utah has a fighting chance in these playoffs.

  • Bugoff
    April 21, 2010 11:06 p.m.

    Fes can be funny all he wants off of the court but I would really like to see much better pick and roll defense and (quicker)weak side help defense. I also expected a lot more rebounds and a few more points.

    I do not think the Jazz can win a 7 game series playing small ball against DEN. Fes has to improve dramatically and fast for the Jazz to win this series.

    He does alter the DEN offense. But DEN is going to adjust and attack his pick and roll defense and his weak side. They are also going to try to get him, Boozer and Millsap in foul trouble.

    Rebounds are a type of defense. If Fes grabs the ball DEN does not have it and can not score.

    His hard fouls protect the other Jazz players. DEN wants a "physical" game as long as they are dishing it out.

    DEN struggles with tall line ups. Fes can kill DEN if he can pick up his game.

    Fes can make a big difference if he improves. The Jazz will lose if he is just filler to rest Boozer and Millsap.

    This series rests on Fes stepping up.