Utah Legislature: Gov. Gary Herbert seeks changes to E-Verify bill

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  • Angry vet
    April 5, 2010 9:01 a.m.

    Gov Herbert has got to be the dumbest polictian to date.

    If he had a shot at getting elected he blew it big time.

    These politicians just don't get it. We have 12 to 50 million illegal aliens that have invaded this country. Their negative impact on this country is undeniable.

    We are tired of politians who have allowed this to happen. Allowed is not the right wording here "sold out" far better discribes their treasonous actions or in this case non action.

    Vote out Herbert along with the other politians who are far better at lining their pockets rather than serving the people.

  • Patriot
    April 1, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    BIG MISTAKE!!! This bill already has no teeth!!! Herbert will pay at the polls for this.

    How many more incumbents have to be taken out before they stop representing illegals and businesses??? Apparently many many more. Bennett will be next.

    Herbert needs to hear from you. Call his office and give it to them. I did. This issue needs to be made a top 3 issue for voting someone into office. Use it as a test of their conservatism. It never fails to weed out the phonies.

    All the state delegates need to make Herbert listen at the state convention.

    Take him out!!!

  • Anonymous
    April 1, 2010 2:54 p.m.


  • Delegate
    April 1, 2010 2:41 p.m.

    As an employer, would you like to use a system that has an error rate of 54% in identifying who is legal and who isn't. As a legal resident looking for employment, this bill will impact me. The Governor should have veto the bill.

  • Ron Gibson
    April 1, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    "not mandated to participate in the E-Verify program."

    You just lost my vote Governor! Matter of fact I think all Incumbents should be voted out of the Utah Legislature... Now the Illegal supporters have time to kill what's left of this bill. We should all keep a real close watch on this bill and hold them accountable.

  • Paul
    April 1, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    If there is a Special Session, everyone had better be giving their representatives an earful about changing the law to be more restrictive, not less. Voters need to remember for more than a week about how these people represent them. In this case, most of our representatives would do better in Mexico City, since they obviously don't care about Utahns (unless those Utahns are financing their elections, I guess).

  • Tough on enforcement?
    April 1, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    Republicans say they're for enforcing the immigration laws, but they don't have the spine to actually do so, since they're wedded into big business, and Big says no to this one. So let's vote him out and demand a candidate who will guarantee it's the first thing he does once entering office.

  • Say no
    April 1, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    Until Gary can come up with honest enforcement against all people here illegally, he needs to get out of the way.

  • Anonymous
    April 1, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    Utah's version of "Don't ask Don't tell"

  • W.W.
    April 1, 2010 7:15 a.m.

    Thanks for opening the door Gary. Now the legislature can declare war on the Feds and enact comprehensive immigration enforcement by the state.

    You can tell them what you want, but once you open the session, they can modify the bill any way they care to.

    If my Senator or Representative doesn't give it teeth, they don't deserve to serve this country, and I will vote accordingly.

  • Steve
    April 1, 2010 6:49 a.m.

    I-9's are still required by law. This will just make the use of the online service voluntary.

  • E-verify ineffective
    April 1, 2010 5:11 a.m.

    The way this law is written will have little affect in screening and keeping illegals out of jobs. Infact, it will make it easier for business to break immigration laws and keep illegals harbored in this state.

    The E-verify doesn't identify illegals, it identifies SSN as real or fake. The ITIN's issued by the state does indentify illegals but gives protection to illegals. So we have conflicting laws that cancel each other out and they still allow illegals to pilfer and loot america and the poor.

    What would be better than either of these laws is require employee and state workers and education to ask for green cards or passports and citizenship status. If they have neither, then its simple, they don't get a job or welfare or eduction. This method worked for 150 years and there was no confusion about who got state aid, jobs, or education.

    'Are you an american citizen', should be the first question on any job, state service, and schools that would eliminate any doubt or questions or need for other laws to skirt this simple method to segregate illegals and legal americans.

  • MikeH
    April 1, 2010 5:09 a.m.

    Health care, the budget, schools etc are not deserving of a special session, but an attempt to destroy illegal immigration enforcement is?

  • Desmond
    April 1, 2010 3:58 a.m.

    Dishonest. Selling out the American worker to business interests that love the illegal labor.

    For once Utah's legislature needs to do what's right. Redeem yourselves and take back our state. Make E-verify mandatory, and give it a fine.

    Herbert needs to go.

  • JW Morrison
    March 31, 2010 10:45 p.m.

    Unless E Verify is required and there are penalties for not using it, it will do no good. The laws have been on the books since Reagan's days. When I was in Human Resources I was required to verify the information of all new hires. There was a fine if I did not do it. Business do not have to be the US Border Control, but simply advise them of a possible problem.

  • Borders
    March 31, 2010 10:30 p.m.

    Herbert got it right | 9:47 p.m. March 31, 2010

    Go ahead run your business, just dont break any laws, like hiring an illegal, if you do the crime serve the time.

    The Government will secure the borders, but they shouldnt have to spend extra money looking for illegals, NO BUSINESS SHOULD HIRE AN ILLEGAL, if we need to amend immigration laws to allow more workers thats fine, legal immigrants are ok.

  • Herbert got it right
    March 31, 2010 9:47 p.m.

    I don't like illegals anymore than the next guy, but it's wrong to turn my business into the US border control. Let me run my business and let the government protect our borders. Herbert got it right. It sounds like Buttars is trying to do the right thing too.

  • John A.
    March 31, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    This stinks to high heaven. Governor, this bill is what the people want. You need to lead the majority of Utahns and not cave-in to special interest groups.

  • Connie S.
    March 31, 2010 9:25 p.m.

    The people are watching this one very closely Governor. Theis is what the people want. You must sign SB251 into law. Stop pandering to illegal aliens. They are lawbreakers (felony) and you must follow the rule of law, if not we will vote you out.

  • Art
    March 31, 2010 7:59 p.m.

    Just when I thought this Gov. had a spine. He gives in to illegals just like Huntsman did. I'm convinced these guys are all the same. SAD!

  • GOP the Corporate Party
    March 31, 2010 7:37 p.m.

    What a waste, another law on the books and no penalties to businesses, we can put someone in jail for putting drugs in there body, but cant have any penalties for businesses, complete favoritism towards business always.

    Penalties (per illegal employee)
    1st offence $5K Fine and 6mo Manditory Jail Time
    2nd offence $10K Fine and 1yr Manditory Jail Time
    3rd offence $50K Fine & 5yrs Manditory Jail Time
    4th offence Revoke business license $500K Fine 25yrs Manditory Jail Time

    We will save the billions on the Fence, ICE agents, Border Patrol, Immagration, JUST SAY NO TO GOP BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.

  • Why is this different?
    March 31, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    I suspect the legislation has no penalties because the legislature likes to appear to take action while not actually doing anything that they themselves might be guilty of violating. How many of the legislators who voted on the bill are employers?

    Lacking penalties is not at all unprecedented in Utah "law" - the entirety of Title 20A, the Utah Election Code, appears to prohibit certain behaviors, but specifically states that there is no penalty for breaking any of these "laws".

  • Tom from Morgan
    March 31, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    The Governor did the right thing with this one.

  • Anonymous
    March 31, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    This is ridiculous. Use of E-Verify should be mandatory for ALL Utah businesses. What is wrong with honor and decency? This would have leveled the playing field for those businesses who have maintained their honor and integrity and hired only citizens and those eligible to work here. It appears to me that money and special interest groups run this state. I become more disillusioned by the day.

    I was hoping that Herbert would show me why I should vote for him but instead he has shown me why I should not.

    He has lost my vote.