Utes grant release to Brown and Hines

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  • bball fan
    April 3, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    you people are stupid if you think carlon was the one taking bad shots. henderson was the most inconsistent shooter on the team and took the worst shots by far. get off of carlons back boylen is just a bad coach. gont get mad at carlon for being a great player leaving a bad program

  • get a new coach
    April 1, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    boylen has a love for the game but he is too worried about yelling at the refs than coaching his players. utah desperately needs a new basketball coach

  • poor ute fan
    March 31, 2010 10:26 p.m.

    do i here a so called dynasty falling like a grand oak. at least the lady utes can win.

  • best coach for the utes is?
    March 31, 2010 9:48 p.m.

    coach norm parrish of SlCC. won a national championship. 20 yrs experience. major recruiting connections throughout the west midwest. understands how to recruit utah kids, return missionaries and out of state talent to combine for a winning formula. utah guy with roots here who is personable and could return the program to glory. best coach in the state not named morrill

  • Reid > Boylen and Giacoletti
    March 31, 2010 7:56 p.m.


  • I think
    March 31, 2010 1:17 p.m.

    Roger Reid is available when u finally admit you need a real coach!

  • The Whizz....!!!!!
    March 31, 2010 8:47 a.m.

    To all the YBu'ers.....it is a simple comparison.

    Roger Reid and "1-n-done" for 17 years in the NCAA!!!!!!!!!


  • Better or Worse
    March 30, 2010 11:58 p.m.

    Utah 14-17 7-9 5th MWC (tied with CSU)

    Will Utah be better, worse, or about the same next year?

  • 2005 to now
    March 30, 2010 10:35 p.m.

    Utah has been steadily going down hill and next year could be the worst year yet.

    BYU has been steadily improving and next year could be the best year yet.

    One fan base is excited for next season.

    One fan base is dreading what may happen next season.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 10:14 p.m.

    "your" the experts?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good job little bro!

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 9:15 p.m.

    re: Can't you people read | 8:57 a.m. March 30, 2010

    And how did U guys do with your gifted 5 seed the season before last?


    "One in done" ... you should now what that is since your the experts.

    Utah: 2-2 since 2005 - During the down turn in the program.

    BYU: 1-5 since 2005 - With its best teams.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Sinking ship? | 9:02 p.m. March 29, 2010
    ...WINNING as opposed to what the Utes have been playing..... a LOSING style. BWAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!!


    Odd coming from fans whose team won 10 games in two years in 97 and 98.

    As far as Boylen, he as next year to turn the program if not then his days are numbered.

    Lets hope he can turn it around. If not the beating BYU will take at RES next year will have to take me through another year.

  • Boylen
    March 30, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    Boylen has an anger problem and I wouldn't want to play for him. The lack of class he has shown on & off (interviews) the court makes me think he is the issue. I don't see the Utes going anywhere as long as Boylen is the coach.

  • jlhazlewood
    March 30, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    The one thing no one has talked about yet is their type of play on the court. I was really disappointed when I watched Utah play in the tournament. There was a lot of standing around. The passing was not crisp. The energy was not high.
    I was really disappointed to watch the freshman, Henderson, play. He is a dirty player and is really at this point not a leader on the floor. A leader is not necessarily the person who takes the most shots, but does the most to help the team get better.
    Regarding BYU and March Madness: It's pretty hard to come back and win a second game when you had 3 OTs a couple of days earlier. Kansas State found that out last week.
    The more the teams expect of themselves, the more they will get.

  • writing on the wall?
    March 30, 2010 4:53 p.m.

    I wish Utah had a better basketball team in development. A strong league will aid recruiting.
    Utah, unfortunately, is really hurting themselves in recruiting. What do you say to a potential recruit?
    UHHH.. half of the team quit on me last year so you should get plenty of playing time? Those expecting this to be a great selling point with parents and uncertain kids will see a University basketball team that is obviously troubled. However I wish my red friends up north well.

  • Re: Anonymous 4:20 p.m.
    March 30, 2010 4:41 p.m.

    I guarantee that if BYU had had the two seasons that Utah did in 2004 and 2008, then you would be screaming how your Cougars had won a national championship in those years. However, I guess that is something that will never happen for your team, either now or in the future.

  • No problem!
    March 30, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    We still have Foster and Tavita don't we? They combined for a 6 point per game average.

    I'll bet they improve that to at least 8 points per game between them. that means Utah only needs to find about 60 points somewhere else!!!!!hahahahahahahaha..good luck with that!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    Henderson is off to texas tech...how do i know :) bc i know him

  • Re: Gerber 3:14 p.m. | 3:49 p.m
    March 30, 2010 4:23 p.m.

    You are wrong. The voters voted BYU as the #1 team in the country. They had more votes than any other team in the country. Hence the national championship. In 2008 Utah had 16 first place votes compared to Florida's 48 in the AP poll. The Coaches poll even has a higher discrepancy with 60 votes for Florida and 1 vote for Utah. So, when you say "the same standards" you really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 4:20 p.m.

    The rules in 1984 said whoever was voted No. at the end of the season was the National Champion. That team was BYU--one National Championship. That was also the rule in 2008, and Utah was not voted No.1.
    Sorry no National Championship for the Utes!!!!

  • no good
    March 30, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    Just admit it. Ute basketball is...

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    Three out of four games is still three out of four regardless of the score!!

  • Re: Gerber 3:14 p.m.
    March 30, 2010 3:49 p.m.

    Under the exact same rules that BYU won their "national championship" many decades ago, Utah also won the National Championship in 2008. The U of U, like BYU, was the only team that was undefeated in college football during their respective undefeated seasons. Both seasons contained impressive wins, coupled with dramatic comebacks (BYU beating an average Hawaii team on a last-second goal-line stand; Utah's dramatic victory over top-ranked TCU). However, there the similarity ends. BYU beat a 6-5 Michigan team by just 7 points in a very minor bowl. BYU had no other signature victories that year (1984). Utah, on the other hand, beat Oregon State, a team that had just beated a top-5 team in USC. But, more impressively, Utah beat Alabama, a team that had been #1 in the country for a month and 1/2. They also beat Alabama by a larger score than Florida, the "national champions" did.

    The University of Utah did win the "national championship" in 2008, if viewed by the same standards that BYU supposedly did in 1984.

  • re: re: re: UTE booster
    March 30, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    Of course having Luke Nevill helped. Any good team has good players. Without Jimmer BYU would not have been as good. Without John Wall Kentucky would not have been as good. Without Deron Williams the Jazz would not be as good. Duh!

  • Gerb
    March 30, 2010 3:14 p.m.

    How many National Championships do your utes have?


  • Re: Funnier Utah Fan 10:46 a.m.
    March 30, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    What is BYU's bowl record?

    What is Utah's bowl record?

    What is BYU's head-to-head record against Utah?

    How many times has BYU been in a BCS game?


  • Maybe no Carlon's fault!
    March 30, 2010 2:19 p.m.

    I read the same STUFF from the Utah homers when Justin Hawkins left. He's a quitter and we don't want him anyway. Whatever you do, don't blame the innocent coach! Justin Hawkins was not capable of quitting anything- He went on to very good seasons at New Mexico State. The same for Carlon- he is a really good guy and I wish him well. I hope he rips it up on whatever team is lucky to have him! If you are a Dallas Cowboy fan then you certainly can't like Troy Aikman- He quit on Okl. and went to UCLA. If you're a Boston Celtic fan you certainly can't like Larry Bird- after two weeks with Bobby Knight Larry left Indiana went home- and played at Indiana State the next season. Both these guys were quitters. Ya RIGHT!!!!!! Maybe the problem is the coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HUH
    March 30, 2010 2:07 p.m.


  • Red Jello
    March 30, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    I am very sorry Hines is leaving. He is a terrific player - a great shooter with quickness and toughness. That is is one that bothers me the most.

  • re: Reality Check
    March 30, 2010 1:49 p.m.

    To be envied? What have you accomplsihed? One tournament win. Thats it. You still cant win the big one. Utah really envies what it used to be, and we are working to get back to that. No one outside of provo thinks anything of BYU.

  • small-minded fans
    March 30, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    are those who think that their view of the sports world is somehow superior to everyone else's view

    get a clue

    only someone who is completely clueless would bother reading articles about BYU and Utah and then complaining about the rivalry

  • Just Curious
    March 30, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    Where exactly is coach Boylen's recruiting focus? I mean, it seems to me the best players in the state are really not even considering the U? I recall Brandon Davies' recruitment and he eliminated Cal and Gonzaga before choosing BYU over Utah State. I look at coaches Morrill and Rose and see how they win with so much Utah talent and wonder what coach Boylen is doing.

  • PJ
    March 30, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Transfer to Utah State! In two years we will need a guy that create his own shot, plus you torched us in SLC this year. Odds are though you will go closer to home, probably playing for some Big West school. Anyway Go Aggies!

  • Reality Check
    March 30, 2010 1:21 p.m.

    At least some Utes can face reality. Not so good to be a Ute after all. Face it, Cougar basketball is to be envied compared to what you've got going on on the hill. To say otherwise, is only deceiving yourselves.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    Small-minded fans in the state of Utah whose only frame of reference is Utah/BYU.

  • Reality Check
    March 30, 2010 1:18 p.m.

    At least some Utes can face reality. Not so good to be a Ute after all. Face it, Cougar basketball is to be envied compared to what you've got going on on the hill. To say otherwise, is only deceiving yourselves.

  • re: re: UTE booster
    March 30, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    Having Luke Neville for the '08-'09 season saved utah's bacon. Without him u guys would have had many more losses.

  • Utah basketball history
    March 30, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    good, but never great.

    If you want to compare great, see Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Duke... true bluebloods.

    Nowadays, Utah basketball doesn't even compare to the upper half of the MWC.

    6th, 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th in the Utes' last 5 seasons.

  • RE: Roy Boy
    March 30, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    Please don't hold your breath on the Utes getting invited into the PAC 10. Unless Ute basketball gets better you will have a tough time getting invited into the WAC.

  • re: UTE booster | 11:19 a.m
    March 30, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    I guess being conference champions last year was done without a clue. Were the Utes good this year, no. Did they perform about as predicted in conference, yes. They lost a lot of talent and players like Brown, as talented as he is, were unable to step up and be a leader.

  • jealous Ute | 12:13 p.m.
    March 30, 2010 12:53 p.m.

    BYU Utah Basketball 2006-2010

    Last 5 Seasons (MWC finish)
    2010 BYU 30-6 (2nd) Utah 14-17 (6th)
    2009 BYU 25-8 (1st) Utah 25-10 (6th)
    2008 BYU 27-7 (1st) Utah 18-15 (6th)
    2007 BYU 25-9 (1st) Utah 11-19 (1st)
    2006 BYU 20-9 (2nd) Utah 14-15 (6th)

    BYU 127-39 (77%) 3 MWC championships, 4 Big Dances
    Utah 82-76 (52%) 1 MWC championship, 1 Big Dance

    Utah lost as many MWC games this season as BYU has lost in the last THREE seasons.

    So go on spouting off about ancient history.

    As a BYU fan, I'm very pleased with the direction of the BYU basketball program.

    Can U honestly say the same thing about the U?

  • re: re: can't U people read
    March 30, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    Ooooo good move. Yes when the chips are down then play the "we used to be great" card. No one can top THAT by referencing any of the recent results. Right...if the present is too painful then live in the past instead.

  • re: Funny BYU Fans
    March 30, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    Nice job, way to put a nice "moral victory" spin on those losses.

    NOTE TO ALL COUGAR FANS: utah fans do not count losses as actual losses. They are all moral victories, so back off.

  • BYU fans
    March 30, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    * my post should have said "I see Austin Collie being productive week in and week out, but thats about it."

  • BYU fans
    March 30, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    And with all of the BYU "domination" all you have to show for it is one NCAA tournament win in almost two decades and not a single significant bowl win. Yikes! And this is your best? Hardly impressive..........

    Look at the NBA, I dont see a single BYU player. Look at the NFL, I dont see Austin Collie making an impact week in and week out and thats it.......so yeah, i am not impressed.

    every BYU poster who has posted on this board reeks of insecurity.

  • Boylen Over
    March 30, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    Time to move on. This is ridiculous. Utah basketball is the laughing stock of the state.

  • Good news!!
    March 30, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    More playing time for the real stars like Jace Tavita!

    He is the best point guard in the MWC.

  • sparks24
    March 30, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    AD Hill are you out there?????????????????????????????????????????????

  • UTE booster
    March 30, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    time for Dr. Hill and Boylen to get fired. they have no clue what they are doing.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    Boylen needs to move on so we can get a Coach Like they have at USU that can win every year. I can't beleive that Stew Morrill stays at USU when he could be the best coach in the Nation with a Bigger College.

  • Ref: Can't you people read
    March 30, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    should have, could have, more whining from the ute faithful. Harline should've been covered, Collie should've been covered, and George should've been covered. Henderson could've shown come class, but didn't. Keep the whining up, love to hear it.

  • ute fan
    March 30, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    Once again, all the experts are sure about what the reasons are behind the players leaving. Were you all at every practice, team meeting, and game?? Or, are you basing your opinions on just a glimpse of what you saw, or what you may have heard?? That would be like you trusting decisions being made on behalf of the company where you work on partial fact or information!! None of you would allow that to happen!! So, why should your opinion matter when it comes to who plays for Coach Boylen?? One of the reasons the Utes had some of the wins they did have was because of Coach Boylen's commitment to defense and his demand for toughness from his players. Without this, they win fewer games than they actually did!! It was still a year of transition between recruiting classes of different coaches and it really showed this year because of the lack of overall talent, with the departure of last year's seniors! Majerus said it best, "Players win games, not coaches!!". So, give the Utah staff a chance to recruit and coach and you just be a good fan and support!

  • Reaching rock bottom
    March 30, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    What's left, a bunch of inexperienced freshmen and sophomores who weren't good enough to be starters on a lousy team?

    But we still have a hot-headed gunner who shoots 33% and a 10-foot wall who averages a couple of points a game.

  • Funnier Utah fan
    March 30, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    I noticed you conveniently left out Utah's overtime win in 2005, or it could easily have been 4 of 5 for BYU.

    Bottom line:

    Bronco has a better overall record, more MWC championships, more Top 25 finishes, more 10+ win seasons than Kyle, and Bronco is 3-2 head-to-head versus Kyle.

    Try to minimize it all you want, but a win is a win, and the overall records speak for themselves since Kyle, Bronco has finished ahead of Kyle in the MWC standings 4 of the 5 years they've been head coaches.

    Utah fans didn't have any problem taking full credit for a couple of lucky wins over Oregon State and TCU in 2008 now did they!

  • Carlon 'transferred' in December
    March 30, 2010 10:40 a.m.

    Carlon was set up to be the man, but he flopped in the pre-conference schedule. Not a little flop, a big, painful belly flop. After that, he never accepted his role as another option instead of the man. He sulked, gave half efforts and pulled a lot of the team down with him. A bit of a surprise, but he won't be missed.

    Still, the biggerst mystery is how Tavita is getting any playing time. If I were Hines, I'd also be frustrated when I saw that hack playing minutes in front of me. He's the only transfer that I feel bad about.

  • Funny BYU Fans
    March 30, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    You can talk all the basketball smack you want. But lay off the football domination please. Yes 3 out of the last 4 but any knowledgable fan also knows those three wins were decided by what 5 plays maybe? Those three wins are by a total of 12 points.

  • Utah Tuesday
    March 30, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    The Utes will rebound from these players leaving....Coach Boylen will be able to bring in his own recruits and I expect Utah to improve greatly the next several seasons. Jim Boylen is a very good man who knows what he's doing.

  • As a BYU Fan
    March 30, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    This just kills me. I only hope Boylen all of a sudden doesn't learn how to coach. To tell you the truth, coming up to the Huntsman Center and running you out of your own building is something I was hoping I would get used to. Your program is a joke.

  • As long as the Utes
    March 30, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    have Jace Tavita, all will be well. How many other teams have a guard who shoots 30% from the FREE throw line.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 9:45 a.m.

    Not even when BYU had their 1-25 season did players quit the team. Something is seriously wrong with utah's program.

  • bsutefan
    March 30, 2010 9:41 a.m.

    Is it just me, or is this starting to feel a lot like the Giacoletti era. The Hines transfer will hurt far more than the Brown transfer. He was the only real PG on the team.

  • Boylen
    March 30, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    Hey Moe, two more players just left the team! What are gonna do??!


    Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

  • astroboy
    March 30, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    Someone pinch me, is it Christmas in March? Is this an early April Fools joke?

    This is one of the best things that could happen. Carlon was one of the WORST players of recent memory. Sure, he had skill, and showed incremental levels of improvement. That was until this year, when he went from a serviceable 3rd/4th option to the primary/only option. He did nothing to make anyone around him better, and proceeded to single handedly lose as many games as he won. And Boylen was right behind him with the green light. If you liked Allen Iverson-style bball, he was your guy.

    Utah basketball, and college basketball in general for that matter, should be build on teamwork. Brown obviously has a problem with that, and Boylen was way to sloooow on the uptake to take the ball out of Brown's hands and develop some of the other more selfless players.

    The program was going nowhere with Brown, he was at best a bridge-the-gap player while Boylen developed his recruits.

    Brown, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  • RE:re Cant you people read
    March 30, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    "andy how did U guys do with your gifted 5 seed the season before last?".
    Nice arguement coming from a team with one tourney win in the last couple decades. Utah has been to the the sweet sixteen, elite eight, final four and the finals in the last couple decades. Plus Utah played Arizona in their first round game last year. The same Arizona team that had two guys get drafted in the 1st round, Chase Budinger and Jordan Hill. Hill was taken in the top 10. They would have destroyed BYU last year.

  • John Wicks
    March 30, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    As far as I'm concerned they can all leave including the coach. Tommy C. just a short phone call away.

  • Boylen Point
    March 30, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    has probably been reached....ooooooooh...it is kindaq scary!

  • DRLL
    March 30, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    This, my friends is not the same as the Majerus years when players left after every offseason. First, I don't recall any offseason in which 4 players left, 2 of which would have had significant playing time next season (and one of which was your best player). Second, when players left the Majerus program, the program was still well-stocked with talent and, every single year, the team went back out and won again the next season. Unless the Utes have the best recruiting class in the West, I don't see any way for them to improve upon last season's performance. The biggest disappointment is that players don't seem to be progressing in this program -- they are essentially the same player they were when they started. Oh why oh why couldn't Iowa have saved our program???

  • DRLL
    March 30, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    This, my friends is not the same as the Majerus years when players left after every offseason. First, I don't recall any offseason in which 4 players left, 2 of which would have had significant playing time next season (and one of which was your best player). Second, when players left the Majerus program, the program was still well-stocked with talent and, every single year, the team went back out and won again the next season. Unless the Utes have the best recruiting class in the West, I don't see any way for them to improve upon last season's performance. The biggest disappointment is that players don't seem to be progressing in this program -- they are essentially the same player they were when they started. Oh why oh why couldn't Iowa have saved our program???

  • What's up?
    March 30, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Give Boylen a couple of more years????? Why not give him a big raise and sign him to a longer term contract?

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    Chris Hill is a genius...just ask him

  • Re; Can't you people read?
    March 30, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    The content on this article changed since I read these posts last night where it was only reported that Brown was leaving. The Tribune blog reported that both players were leaving.

    I agree with you 100% on Brown. He and Drca could score some points, but accounted for 9-10 turnovers per game that led to easy baskets. The team defense was solid, but these two were inconsistent at best and I am looking forward to some new players on the floor. I expected some sruggles from the young guys this year, but not from guys that have been in the program 3-4 years.

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    rats leaving a sinking ship

  • wasn't a good recruit
    March 30, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    Named Riverside County Player of the Year as a senior at Martin Luther King High School...two-time all-county selection...second-team all-state as a senior...averaged 21 points, five assists, eight rebounds in his final year of high school...helped lead MLK High to consecutive league championships...CIF semifinalists...state quarterfinalists...ranked No. 17 in Southern California and No. 27 in California in 2006-07.

    Wow no wonder Carlon Brown didn't do well in college. He obviously had no basketball skills at all as a high school player. No coach could ever be successful with material like that. Poor Coach Boylen.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    March 30, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    Boylen is doing a great job preparing his guys to play at the "next level", which is defined as a college program that is not utah.

  • re: Can't you people read
    March 30, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    "...Coach Jim and bring back the winning ways of Utah basketball since no other team in the Mountain West can get past the 2nd round in the NCAA Tourney."

    And how did U guys do with your gifted 5 seed the season before last?

  • it happens
    March 30, 2010 8:46 a.m.

    How many players left under Majerus? Maybe now the U can get some players that want to be there and will work and be coachable.

  • Former Ute Fan
    March 30, 2010 7:54 a.m.

    I heard rumors the Southeast Baptist was recruiting Brown!!!

    Any truth to this????

  • Can't you people read?
    March 30, 2010 7:46 a.m.

    To all the posters who obviously can't read and prove it by saying things like "three are leaving?" or "who else is leaving?" or "sounds like Hines is going to transfer too" - the article is very clear: two more Utes are leaving (Brown and Hines), they join the other two who left last week (Reid and Cyphers) 2 +2 = 4.

    To be clear, brown has a red-shirt year and one year of eligibility - he stunk this year so good luck elsewhere. We need athletes, ball-handlers, defenders, and SHOOTERS. We'll have room to bring in some players now - two graduated, four transferred and one is leaving on a mission. Go get some great players, Coach Jim and bring back the winning ways of Utah basketball since no other team in the Mountain West can get past the 2nd round in the NCAA Tourney.

  • Players
    March 30, 2010 7:30 a.m.

    are jumping this sinking ship called the ute basketball team(?). They're tired of this buffoon of a coach. I, for one, certainly hope the u keeps him on indefinitely. The loner boylen stays, the better for the Cougs.

  • should have
    March 30, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    kept coach Rahe. But there is no reason he will leave Weber State. Maybe Boylen can scream at another beat writer for the Utes.

  • Big Ben
    March 30, 2010 6:11 a.m.

    Of these losses, Hines hurts the worst. Brown was a disappointment this year. He clearly is not a jim boylen player.

    If we can get some solid Juco talent in, we will be fine. Now, our most urgent need is a point guard. Our defense is solid. We just need someone to direct everyone around.

  • Unloyal fan
    March 30, 2010 5:52 a.m.

    Departure of these guys is another indicator or weak coaching!

  • Anonymous
    March 30, 2010 5:05 a.m.

    Hines is better than Henderson. Had a better feel for when to shoot. Took better shots. Made a better percentage. Should've played more than he did.

  • I Support Boylen
    March 30, 2010 3:45 a.m.

    As a season ticket holder (6) I have NO problem with these athletes leaving. I don't know who was at fault, but Drca and Brown did not step up last year. Either they couldn't learn/listen or Boylen can't teach, but their consistently poor choices in shots and passes were maddening. Now we might soon see which it is. Of the four, I wish that Matt Read had stuck and achieved. After watching the NCAA's in SLC, one is struck that we need a bunch of 6'9" studs, not a group of 6" guards. Good luck, Jim.

  • Smile utes
    March 30, 2010 2:33 a.m.

    you will still have marshmellow!

  • Hines Too
    March 29, 2010 11:34 p.m.

    Sounds like Hines is also going to transfer. No wonder the Utes went 14-17, I agree Boylen had no leadership on this team and it appears half a roster full of quitters. At least he wants to win.

  • geezergary
    March 29, 2010 11:16 p.m.

    Hey, cut the coach some slack. The people who left weren't helping the team anyway. Give Boylen a comple of more years and I think he'll turn it around. He's a decent man and a good coach.

  • Good News
    March 29, 2010 10:55 p.m.

    I am glad to see the Giac era finally come to an end with this transfer. Brown led the team in turnovers and has not improved since he was playing a freshman, just like Tillie and Drca. He was terrible in the last few games of the season and this team lacked leadership all year that these 3 players should have provided. Brown could have been a leader next year, but is making the choice to walk away instead. True great players at Utah go on to play in the NBA, they don't transfer. Carlon should have asked Justin Hawkins how his transfer worked out going into his Senior year.

    It is interesting that fans get after Boylen, and don't acknowledge that Green, Nevill, Borha and Kepkay all improved under Boylen from year one to year two. It is obvious to me that Tillie, Drca and Brown were never the caliber of player to lead the Utes where they are used to being.

    Watkins, Henderson, Hines and Washburn at least showed they cared this year on the court.

  • just wait
    March 29, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    there will be more in the coming days. you guys will be very surprised as to who else is leaving.

  • ute fan
    March 29, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    Utah could have 5 Carlon Browns and would still be no good. They need to start over from scratch. Get rid of all the players including the coach.
    Have you been watching the NCAA tourney? All of the teams have several bigs that can shoot, run, play defence and are mobile. Why can't Utah come with even one of these types? We get players under 6'2".
    I can't understand why.

  • re: Dark Times
    March 29, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    right....your BEST player is leaving. You, my friend, have a problem. When players leave, they leave for a reason. The reason is they aren't happy playing for their coach. Why do players not leave on other losing teams? Because they believe in and respect the coach. The Ute players don't respect Boylen and don't want to play for him. Hence, the departures....more to come. Stay tuned!

  • anonymous
    March 29, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    carlon will still have 1 year remaining.

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 10:36 p.m.

    Brown inept? I know of one game where he wasn't...he killed the Aggies.

  • Really? Seriously?
    March 29, 2010 10:35 p.m.

    Asking if Carlon can play at a lower division -- like Weber State? This just in -- Weber State, like Utah, Utah State, UVU, SUU and YBU ARE ALL DIVISION I.

    Carlon, looking for somewhere to play -- go to Dixie State. They went to the tourney this year and I'm sure they'd be glad to have you step right in and lead them for a year.

  • jpc53
    March 29, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    Carlon is one of those people who has never taken responsibility for anything he has ever done wrong. Some players take a play or two off, Carlon would take whole games off and blame everyone else for the problems. His leaving will be addition by subtraction. For those that were wondering, he does have a redshirt year which he can use so he will be able to go to a D1 school and have one year to play.
    Boylen has made some mistakes in recruiting but he is going to put his stamp on this team. Hopefully the new players he brings in will play the type of ball he wants to play (can you say Michigan State).
    One last thing BYU fans. Rose is a very good coach but he didn't save your program. The thanks for saving your program go to Steve Cleveland who came in and cleaned up Roger Reid's mess.

  • re/ strange choice
    March 29, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    Brown will have to sit out a year and will have a year to play anywhere he wants. The only time you lose a year is transferring within your own conference. FYI, Weber st is just as much D1 as anyone else in hoops. Not sure what you meant there.

  • Dark Times
    March 29, 2010 10:24 p.m.

    Dark Times are upon BYU won the MWC this year in Basketball, BYU beat Utah in football this year. I guess that means that BYU owns Utah right? Yeah right. When is the last time BYU has been ranked in the top five in any sport? When is the last time BYU has gone undefeated?

    The wheel will turn, Utah will break cougar hearts again. The sun will come out, tomorrow.

    It has been mentioned for several weeks that Utah doesn't have enough scholarships for some of their players and some would have to leave.

    It's not like the good players are leaving.

  • Roy M.
    March 29, 2010 10:21 p.m.

    Yeah, unfortunately for the Y, with their obviously superior talent, the Pac-10 is bringing in Utah.

  • astroboy
    March 29, 2010 10:14 p.m.

    @About Time
    ROFL - exactly

  • Re: ute program struggling
    March 29, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    It's been 3 years since byu has won a conference title in football. The utes have two undefeated football seasons in the last five. Give me a break I wouldn't call taking 3 place in a very good football conference struggling. As far as hoops go, u r correct go cougs. U have one good season and all of a sudden Dave Rose and Jimmer(who I actually like mostly because he is amazing on the court and he dosent act like a punk in front of the mic or cry all the time like other high profile cougs) invented basketball. Good luck this year with your all-world qb sounds much like the hype ben olsen had.

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 9:52 p.m.

    A 4th is leaving now, I forget his name.

    Supremacy in this state in hoops (and football) looks to be BYUs for the next few years at least.

  • About Time
    March 29, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    Good Riddance

    Carlon Brown was the most inept player this year - even though Drca gave him a lot of competition

    Bring in someone who decides what to do before jumping into the air and then creating a turnover

  • boo hoo
    March 29, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    So what? A bunch of players are leaving a team that didn't win. If they were so great they would have played more and they would have won more. Maybe the guys that are staying are hard working kids and will turn out to be winners.

  • Strange Choice
    March 29, 2010 9:41 p.m.

    Agreed. Brown effectively loses his eligibility unless he goes to a lower division to finish his career. Could he play at Weber State?

    The fact he will basically be done playing basketball speaks volumes that he would rather leave than just put up with it another year.

    Of course, with everybody finally leaving, Boylen can get his own guys. He may be happy with these events. I'm a Cougar fan but I wouldn't wish this type of situation on any team, except maybe New Mexico.

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 9:33 p.m.

    Brown knows. When will the Utes learn?

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    He was the player I enjoyed watching the most. I don't blame him for leaving, he should be a potential NBA draft pick, and he's not even on the radar. Switching schools doesn't really bode well for him though, I doubt he'll be successful elsewhere with just one year left. Boylen should have convinced him to stay, seems like it should have been an easy sell.

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 9:21 p.m.

    This is crazy, what is going on? Seriously.

  • Atomic Boylen
    March 29, 2010 9:09 p.m.

    The bomb is blowing up underground for now. Boylen has lost his team and nobody wants to play for him. Next year we'll be looking for another coach.

  • Wow!
    March 29, 2010 9:08 p.m.

    Who else has left besides Brown? What is going on at the U? Boylen was a terrible hire; too bad the Utes are 0-for-2 in trying to lure Stew Morrill away from Logan and that he'd never leave at this point.

  • Ute Program Struggling
    March 29, 2010 9:08 p.m.

    Players exiting - BYU owning them in basketball this year and Football 3 of the last 4 games! I would say the Ute Sports Program is definitely struggling. Come on Utes - Make it competitive!

    March 29, 2010 9:04 p.m.

    Yet another exmaple of an erosion of confidence in Boylen...with very little returning next year and losing rank and file players, sure beggining to look a lot like Ray J. of a few years ago...to bad seems like a very nice guy, but maybe not a good coach.

  • Utes4Ever
    March 29, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Okay ... this was totally unexpected.

    How often do Juniors transfer schools? This makes no sense. Unless he has a redshirt year to burn, his college career is effectively over, but even if he does have a redshirt available, he has one year to assimilate to a new school, program, it's playing style and compete for playing time.

    Carlon - I hope you know what you are doing. Good luck to you in the future.

  • Sinking ship?
    March 29, 2010 9:02 p.m.

    The mass exodus continues. Players can't get off the team quick enough. What cracks me up is his mention that playing with the Utes wasn't his style of ball. If you read in-between the lines, he was saying his style of ball was WINNING as opposed to what the Utes have been playing..... a LOSING style. BWAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!!


  • VOTE
    March 29, 2010 8:59 p.m.

    The players vote with their "feet".

    The fans vote with their "feet".

    The AD won't do anything.

    A dark post season for Utah Basketball.

  • Anonymous
    March 29, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    Three leaving now? Whats up with U?