BYU football: Coaches like what they see from Jake Heaps

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  • Cougar Opener
    March 29, 2010 2:21 p.m.

    LaVell Edwards Stadium will be filled with "Heaps" of talent for the opening game. Included: three of the best high school quarterbacks from the State of Washington - Locker, Heaps, Munns; two of the best QB's from Utah high schools - Lark, Nelson. On top of that, a kid named "Montana" will be on the Husky sideline.

    Too bad that we will likely see only 2 or 3 of those guys play in the game. Oh yes... and the coaches on the sidelines weren't too shabby either - Sarkisian and Doman.

  • cooper
    March 29, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    start heaps

  • cooper l.
    March 29, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    man if heaps is the starter he better be everything they say,cause we have to get a good team because of player losses. We could get our butts kicked if the ob stinks. but heaps is rated 1 in qb high school picks and hes a stand out.

  • Pass-happy
    March 29, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    Nelson has the tendency to take off running and scrambling. BYU has always been a passing program. Unless there will be a complete overhaul by Bronco, BYU should still keep its passing tradition by getting Heaps the heads up and edge on quarterbacking.

  • Coug Fan
    March 29, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    Best QB will start in fall camp, pretty simple really. At this point it looks like Heaps is the man, which is fine, a four-year starter is never a bad thing. Just have to be patient with the road bumps along the way for the first couple years. Nelson better step his game up if he wants the starting spot.

    Now to more important to replace the LBs on defense.

  • BYU Student
    March 28, 2010 11:23 p.m.

    I like the suggestion that the best option is a 4-year starter. There is little to nothing supporting that philosophy. Beck didn't do well, really well, until his senior year. Let the kids learn the system. Right now we're in a weird spot. We'll see. I promise the coaches know more than we do, and that's fine. Best QB will start. I'm worried about DBs more than anything.

  • SUU
    March 28, 2010 7:28 p.m.

    I say let bronco and the coaching staff decide. they know more about football than 99.9 percent of us.

  • hawaii fan
    March 28, 2010 3:32 p.m.

    Heaps should have gone to hawaii and gotten all the NCAA records.

  • a question about a player
    March 28, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    Hey guys I am not from Utah but here in Georgia. I was wondering what happen to Drew Phillips the running back from Alabama. Is he still with the team and if so how is he doing with practice. If anyone knows I would appreciate it. I am also a Jake Heaps fan. Go Cougars.

  • Start Him
    March 28, 2010 1:49 p.m.

    You are lucky to have him. If he is better then give him a ride but beware,Lockers revenge is coming to a stadium near you!

  • Re: Granny
    March 27, 2010 10:51 p.m.

    "and has appropriately fulfilled his religious obligations"

    It's no wonder so many BYU-haters find BYU fans self-righteous and holier-than-thou. This is football, the best player should start, not the one who has the most scripture-mastery scriptures memorized. Being judgemental about football ability is one thing, but you sound like you are judging football players based on the spiritual check-boxes they complete.

    I hope your boss doesn't make the same judgement about you when deciding who to promote. "Let's promote the guy who is the Bishop in his ward, because he's the one who has appropriately fulfilled his religious obligations."

    BTW, I am a died-in-the-wool BYU fan, so don't try to call me a Ute Troll, I can't stand some BYU fans, but I am Cougar Blue through and through!

  • Anonymous
    March 27, 2010 5:58 p.m.

    "The answer is different players, different abilities. TCU was excellent last year. Many of those guys are gone now."

    I wish Kewgs would think before the yap. TCU will have all but one of their players back this year.

    Expect another beatdown.

  • RN
    March 26, 2010 7:30 p.m.

    Back to the QB thing, as a USU fan, I think it would be poetic justice if Heaps starts and Riley wasted his college career at BYU. Unfortunately, I would really feel bad for him.

  • RE: Conejo
    March 26, 2010 7:27 p.m.

    Actually most of TCUs players are returning. Speculation is they will be ranked in the top ten to start the season, as well as BSU.

  • Conejo
    March 26, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    @ TCU blew us out,

    The answer is different players, different abilities. TCU was excellent last year. Many of those guys are gone now. This is not professional ball. They didn't sign those players to contracts!

  • TCU blew us out 2 years now
    March 26, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    What is our answer for TCU??? Any suggestions. I don't think we will ever beat TCU again. A blow out now 2 years in a row.

  • re:
    March 26, 2010 8:33 a.m.

    Anonymous | 7:25 a.m. March 26, 2010
    "Let’s by honest. BYU will never again be successful on a National stage. Simply put, Kewgs don’t have access to enough blue chip athletes to win in Football and Basketball, PERIOD. Not a lot of upside for bigger aspirations.

    Feel good about beating the Utes because really, that’s all you got."

    Yea, and what makes it even better, is that with all of the athletes, etc. that utah has we've still beaten you 3 out of the last 4 (even with slow, white boys), and swept you in basketball.

    Come up with a different argument buddy.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 7:25 a.m.

    Let’s by honest. BYU will never again be successful on a National stage. Simply put, Kewgs don’t have access to enough blue chip athletes to win in Football and Basketball, PERIOD. Not a lot of upside for bigger aspirations.

    Feel good about beating the Utes because really, that’s all you got.

  • Youthink
    March 26, 2010 6:33 a.m.

    USC or FLorida fans are looking back and debating which NC's were real or not? NO! But here in Utah you have mto defend a "NC" to everyone. WE get it you won a "NC" in 1984 so what! What havr you done lately?

  • NOPE
    March 26, 2010 6:29 a.m.

    USC would of run BYU off the field. We lost to Oregon the last two seasons? I thought we beat them 44-10 in 2008. Go look it up genius! USC does not back down to playing teams especially from the mtn worst, c'mon buddy get real. USC's record vs. ranked SEC in the last 10 years 5-0 And all those teams were ranked, and we blew them out. Oh and with a true fresh qb we beat "thee" ohio state at their home. So before you go popping off about playing in the sandbox league with unlv and whyoming's of the world, It'd always good to have a sense of reality, you outta try it sometime.

  • Re: Different Coach same outcome
    March 25, 2010 10:34 p.m.

    Really, hummmm can you explain why they have lost in Oregon the last 2 years a loss to washington, and ended the regular season loss to Arizona at HOME.

    Too bad USC chickened out to play BYU in the Vegas Bowl, probably to save themselves from embarrassment and send pete out as a winner.

    BYU > USC

  • re: 1984
    March 25, 2010 9:30 p.m.

    Twist it and turn it however you wish BYU fans, the '84 championship is the least respected of them all, as well it should be. Sorry.

  • bakerb
    March 25, 2010 9:09 p.m.

    re: '84 championship | 1:31 p.m. March 25, 2010

    Actually, Bryant Gumbel made his comment about a month before BYU was named the Consensus National Champion. The comment was in response to BYU first being ranked #1 in the Country in BOTH major Polls.

    There were virtually no arguments by Coaches and/or the Media against BYU being named National Champions after the Bowl Games were complete. Hence, both the Coachs (UPI) and the Media (AP) named the Cougars overwhelmingly National Champs.

    BYU Fans have heard the lame arguments for over 25 years now. The truth of the matter is: BYU has a National Championship Trophy in the Student Athlete Center. The NCAA Record Books, the Media, and all the History in the World indicate that BYU was the National Champions in 1984. It doesn't matter that Billy-Bob's Football Rankin' Pole may have named Washington or Nebraska. The recognized Polls of the era were the UPI and AP.

    Will BYU ever win another? Maybe not. As Fans, we have to believe they can. As Rivals, you can doubt. But niether Fans or Rivals can deny that the BYU National Championship is HISTORY. FACT. UNDENIABLE. UNCHANGEABLE.

    March 25, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    I think the coaches are keeping it mum because they want the qb's to compete this hard all the way up until gametime. Fierce competition always makes for better players and more intensity on the field. If when the fall comes Heaps has not beaten out the other two then they will likely redshirt him. Probably the best move in that circumstance. I am a Huskies fan and I will tell you whether it be Heaps or Riley we will have our hands full on defense come this fall. I am also LDS so root for the cougs whenever the 2 don't play. I agree, Heaps could take this team higher than it has ever gone if he is handled right. And by higher than its ever gone, I mean actually be considered by everyone a national champion. It will be a great game this september either way and am looking forward to it. Also, I think the cougars win at least 10 again this year. Bronco is a better coach than people give him credit for.

  • Different Coach same outcome
    March 25, 2010 6:13 p.m.

    If BYU plays USC again the same result will happen. Riley Nelson or Heaps would be running for their lives all day and throwing picks. BYU's db's wouldn't be able to cover Rojo,Prater,Baxter,Flourney, Ausberry.

    The best coaches, best players, best tradition . . . USC

  • How?
    March 25, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    How did this conversation get from quarterbacks to legitimate national championship? Both sides need to come back to reality. The championship is in the way distant past. Today is about selecting a quarterback. And if Heaps believes that there is even the slightest chance he won't start, he needs to contact his publicist and get this mess corrected! Never let an opportunity to toot your own horn go to waste!

    After all (and you know its coming)


  • no excuses
    March 25, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    Washington and Nebraska were both invited to play BYU in the Holiday Bowl in 1984.

    Both were at-large teams (not being locked in to the Rose or Orange Bowls as champions of the Pac 10 or Big 8 conferences respectively), but both turned down their invitations to play #1-ranked BYU for the National Championship in the Holiday Bowl, so they could play in more prestigious bowls.

    The Huskies and Huskers chose $$$ over playing for a national championship.

    If you want to blame someone for BYU playing Michigan for the national championship, blame Washington and Nebraska.

    They had a choice.

    BYU did not.

  • Anonymous
    March 25, 2010 4:01 p.m.

    1984 is the reason the BCS exists.

  • Re: USC
    March 25, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    Year after year USC has the best college football team, that's not based in Florida, and, um, mostly doesn't lose to Oregon State. . .

    And yet they can't seem to live up to their hype. . .EVER.

    Oh and the last time BYU played USC, the Trojans beat Coach Crowton! Wow big accomplishment.

    UNLV managed to do the same. Congratulations.

  • Re:re: '84 Championship
    March 25, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    "Legitimate in a technical sense only"-- In what other sense could a championship be "legitimate"? Theoretical, spiritual? By the way, at the time, a consensus champion was one that was recognized by the AP and UPI. Whatever 1984's version of the ESPN fan polls were don't count. Are there any other schools claiming a portion of the '84 title?

  • NOBODY???
    March 25, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    "No one remembers BYU won in 1984."

    The fact is EVERYBODY who knows anything about the history of college football before the BCS takeover of colleg football remembers BYU's 1984 National Championship, despite the delusions of some BYU haters who wish nobody remembered.


    Los Angeles Times

    August 16, 2009 | Doug Alden, Alden writes for the Associated Press.

    SALT LAKE CITY – "BYU is preparing to celebrate the 25th anniversary of one of the most unlikely national championship teams.

    The Cougars of 1984 went from unranked to the top of the polls, beating every team on the schedule and the college football system to claim the national title, despite playing in a conference that was often overshadowed by America's rich and powerful leagues."

  • Who
    March 25, 2010 2:56 p.m.

    Is talking about BYU's 1984 NC? Today's broadcasters are talking about how Utah cracked the BCS and won and then beat SEC power in the Sugar Bowl. No one remembers BYU won in 1984. YOour only fan base is member's of the church. And not evan all of them are byu fans. You guys don't get it.

    March 25, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    Being excited for your team vs. shouting out arrogance and being unrealistic. BYU fans shout out arrogance like it's fact, and If you don't agree they take it very personal and attack you. It's true!

    March 25, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    WHy is it you say aomething about BYU, the fans take it so personal like it was about them or their family? Let it go! I can voice my opinion right? I know how you LDS
    BYU people love freedom, as do I so I can voice my opinion all IK want. Just don't take it so serious as an attack to you. WOW

  • only in 2008
    March 25, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    "Fact is that Utah's win over Alabama has generated much more respect nationally than BYU's "national championship."

    Hardly! 25 years later, sportscasters still mention BYU's 1984 National Championship (and not in a derogatory fashion) when talking about BYU football.

    25 years from now, no one, except for diehard Utah fans, will even remember Utah's Sugar Bowl win. It won't be anymore significant than any other major bowl win.

    As in every other major sport, the champions are always remembered. Runnersup are seldom remembered except, sometimes, in the context of not quite making it.

  • Consensus
    March 25, 2010 2:33 p.m.

    "It was far from consensus with Florida, Nebraska and Washington getting the nod from a number of the other polls that were around in '84."

    Despite the constant whiny little temper tantrums thrown by jealous Utah fans, BYU did win a consensus National Championship in 1984!

    From the OFFICIAL NCAA website:

    NCAA History
    Football Bowl Subdivision
    Consensus National Champions

    Year School Selecting organization
    1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    Absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between Miami's 1983 championship and Oklahoma's 1985 championship and BYU's 1984 Nationaly Championship.

    AP Final Poll
    1. BYU (38) 13-0 1,160
    2. Washington (16) 11-1 1,140
    3. Florida (6) 9-1-1 1,092
    4. Nebraska 10-2 1,017

  • Gerald McCoy
    March 25, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    The poster who said that Gerald McCoy was invisible or non-existent in our win last year needs to go back and watch the game again. He dominated the trenches. BYU didn't have a spectacular offensive game and much of that was because of McCoy.

  • To 12:04 and 12:12
    March 25, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    Wow dude - you are the epitome of hatred. You are the reason Max Hall made the mistake of generalizing all Ute fans. He meant you and a few other losers like you who make it seem all Ute fans are the same.

    Do you really think BYU fans are alone in their preseason hype and talk? We don't even come close to some of the big BCS programs and fans. We are simply doing what all fans do - get involved in and excited about the upcoming season and position battles. You, on the other hand, are doing what very few do - focus on and hate another team far more than I'm sure you like the Utes or whatever team you chear for. What an absolute loser!!

  • re: '84 championship
    March 25, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    "Legitimate" in a technical sense only. In the modern era no other team won the title by beating a 6-5 team in a mid-level bowl game. It was far from consensus with Florida, Nebraska and Washington getting the nod from a number of the other polls that were around in '84. Bryant Gumbel went so far as to call BYU's title an absolute joke and disgrace. Fact is that Utah's win over Alabama has generated much more respect nationally than BYU's "national championship."

  • Heaps, Heaps or Heaps?
    March 25, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    No other choice.

  • re: 12:12 p.m.
    March 25, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    Nobody cares here what you want, so get lost little Utah troll!

    As I recall, there was plenty of debate among Utah fans about Utah's starting QB that started during spring practice and continued until the end of the season.

    BYU's 1984 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is every bit as legitimate as any other major college football national championship ever won.

    btw, BYU will continue talking about winning another national championship all we want to, if nothing more, than to irritate jealous Utah fans like U.

  • hey WhizzofRed&White
    March 25, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    I was kicked out of BYU before finding a way back in later, and was on a scholarship there - just FYI. The article and comments carried a lot of comments about the 3 in the running, thus WIN WIN WIN. These kids are in college... There's more to the place and experience than who's taking snaps. (btw, I count 4 NFL starting qb's as college friends from that time period - Giff, Marc, McMahon and Steve) I'm certainly NOT an "all is well in zion" guy, in fact I think BYU is hardly ever coming to their potential in national play and comment the same on these comment pages from time to time. And yes, I have my own clothes washer and dryer since you brought up laundry. ;) None of this followup negates my original comment, and I've referred MANY non-lds kids to BYU and all came back with the same assessment regardless how they felt about LDS doctrines etc. - none was sorry they went. not one.

  • re: Cougarf@n
    March 25, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    The only thing that is a joke here is you guys arguing and talking about a bunch of unproven qb's. I do not want to hear you guys talking about winning another byu "MYTHICAL" National Championship. What part of, Were only an average football team we go to Vegas every year don't you understand. The thing that I don't get is you guys attack these kids with your crazy thoughts, and you guys don't even know them. DO what other fans do across the country and just sit and watch. And at the end of summer ball then you can make your crazt comments. Oh and get there before the scrimmages start, I know how byu fans sroll into games and things 10 minutes late.

  • Beats this
    March 25, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    talking about a bunch of average unproven qb's who the BYU/LDS football community makes it this privileged position to play. Get real people! BYU QB factory has been shut down for some time now. What has the last "GREAT" BYU qb done? Oh that's right he's in broadcasting his namr is Steve young, the rest of the "GREAT" Qb's never made it in the LEAGUE, oh and making it doesn't mean you stand on the sidelines next to VINNY T. THe whole BYU QB is such a myth now and you guys wanna talk and argue about who should start? Talk about the DB's and how they will get exposed because they have no depth, or the TALL SLOW WR's they gave been drooling over.

  • WhizzofRed&White
    March 25, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    Re: win win win original, do you guys just always find the need to go gaa gaa? And I bet you never have to do laundry either?! Now why would you not have to do laundry?
    Read between the lines with this guy--nothing but "all's well in la la land"! He should have been one of the Tele-tubbies!

  • Sounds like......
    March 25, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    poor defense to me....Or was the "saint" THROWING AGAINST THE 3rd. D ???? Come on now-tell us the real story?!

    And for Riley....told ya that leaving USU was a mistake----guess you can't believe all the hype you were given to come to the YBu!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Cougarf@n
    March 25, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    Where did these USC jokers come from. That's great that with every recruiting advantage money can buy you've done so much in the last five years, but we'll see how that works out for you if you face sanctions. Back to the topic.

    It's really exciting to see heaps playing so well at this point. I really didn't expect to see him doing anything until the end of spring camp and I don't think it will even be a close race by the end if the three players are close now, but it's hard to know exactly what's going on based on a few quotes from coaches as things change from day to day.

  • re: win win win
    March 25, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    HUH?? This article is about Jake heaps and football right?

    March 25, 2010 9:57 a.m.

    for any of the 3 to start, but they can't lose if they get to have a good BYU school experience - it really is a "special" place, and I mean that from my heart and not in a putdown sort of way. I've never regretted having gone there even though my entire direction in career changed from matriculation to graduation. Life has been good, and largely from the influences I experienced there via bumping elblows with most of the students I met... there were few negative experiences on any front.

  • Nelson
    March 25, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    Riley Nelson is a great kid. He is a very accurate QB and has good athleticism. But his arm is limited and he simply cannot make the throws that Lark and especially Heaps can make. His practice experience last year has all but been nullified at this point with Heaps coming in early. The bottom line is that he simply does not have the arm that Heaps and Lark (and Munns) have and will steadily fall back in the pecking order. Hall was lucky to come in between all these better passers or he would have been in the same boat. Nelson is very much like Hall - solid, accurate but somewhat limited in the array of throws he can effectively make.

    The thing about Nelson, however, is that I think he has the makeup to accept a backup role and be very supportive. Therefore, I see a much greater chance of Lark or Munns eventually transferring as they will want their chance to run a team. All four will not stay here guaranteed.

  • re: Logan Cougar
    March 25, 2010 7:59 a.m.

    Nelson's strengths were ideal for the spread game in high school, where defenses are often stocked with lesser athletes and coached by average guys. He is quick, highly intelligent and he does throw an accurate ball. He had a great run his senior year. His TEAM in the 3A championship game was much, much better than Lark's. Logan's defensive line gave Lark no chance.

    That said, it was Lark who got all the big time offers (including BYU) and the reasons were pretty simple. Lark is bigger, faster and has a much bigger arm. Physically, he is a much better fit for what BYU tries to do. I take nothing away from Nelson, but the head to head in high school is virtually meaningless.

  • Did you say speed?
    March 25, 2010 6:35 a.m.

    6-4 to 6-6 receivers with speed? WHo on that team has future nfl draft pick speed and hands? Or are you saying good speed for byu's perspective. Besides Mcay the don't have any real speed at wide out.

  • Logan Cougar
    March 25, 2010 3:30 a.m.

    Riley Nelson was the most accurate passer i've ever seen in high school; sure it was against 3A bo daggets but still; to hit a man in stride time after time is good stuff. And vs lark in the playoffs he was 10 times the passer. and he can run.

  • re: not so cool Cougar
    March 25, 2010 2:22 a.m.

    I'm sure Brandon was talking about being 100% confident about winning a MWC championship, if BYU starts a true freshman at QB.

    That said, no true Cougar fan would ever rule out the possibility of the Cougars EVER winning another national championship.

    At best you're one of those bandwagon Cougar fans who is only around when BYU is having a championship season.

    More likely, you're just a Utah troll.

  • Cool Cougar
    March 24, 2010 11:26 p.m.

    Doman Said:
    "You look around the country, and there's been some true freshmen who have succeeded, but they're not taking their teams to championships. We want to win a championship. We need to make sure that if Jake's the starter, that we're 100 percent confident that we're on our way to a championship with him."

    Um, Brandon, I respect you a lot and enjoyed watching you play when you were at BYU, but I really hope you are talking about a MWC championship, and not having a delusion of grandeur about BYU winning another National Championship. Sorry, I love the Cougars, but that is not happening again. Ever.

  • SJ Bobkins
    March 24, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    Ty didn't start until the Freedom Bowl at season's end. He led the Cougs to a win playing a real Colorado team, not CU Lite with Dan Hawkins, (Bronco's pal in town for a job interview) destroyed the program. Ty started the next year, (his soph) with a 2 concussion loss at Wyoming, followed by a kick butt win over TEXAS. As they say the rest is history. If there is fairness in this world, Jake will start and never let go of the position. He has incredible accuracy and poise. You don't become the #1 QB in all of the US, playing in an out of the way, (not Big-10, or SEC, or Big 12 country) unless you have that "thing" that makes Montana's, Young, and Marino's great, and Jake has it. Riley will continue to play when you need a running QB to shorten the defense. With a bucket full of 6-4 to 6-6 receivers with speed, and Jake, this team can go anywhere they wish.

  • Osgrath
    March 24, 2010 10:23 p.m.

    Ah, naked conjecture - such a beautiful thing, and so amusing. I especially enjoyed the guy telling Brandon Doman how to do his job - or maybe offering to be his PR agent. Yes, few sights are as amusing as people who don't know what they are talking about making very definite statements of "fact."

    That said, this next season should be very interesting.

  • Doman?
    March 24, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    Why is BYU playing mind games? Why would they have Lark and Nelson handing the ball off and let Heaps throw it?
    It looks to me like byu is trying to create controversy.
    Heaps = Hype.

  • Anonymous
    March 24, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Heaps will start and Riley will be the back up.

    Reason #1. Heaps brings other talent.
    When you (as a quarterback) bring the 13 best receiver in the country according to scout: Ross Apo (He was recruited by Texas, Oklahoma State, etc.)to your program - you start him. Additionally, 3 other players are in the program because of Heaps.

    Reason #2. Unga. BYU offense's strength is their running game and Offensive Line (yes they have some depth issues, but I think they will be fine). This will allow Heaps to have less stress, and limit his rookie mistakes.

    Reason #3. Because Riley is going to be made the 2nd team and he will still get playing time every game. The Cougars will to attempt to bring Riley in for the Wild Cat, or they will use him for trick plays.

  • eboy
    March 24, 2010 9:47 p.m.

    Re: Heaps wont start

    If Bronco ever comes out and actually says that he'll NEVER start a true freshman I could see where your point is valid. Bronco will start the best QB period. If that happens to be Jake then I guess he ranks in your 2%.

  • Why would Nelson Start?
    March 24, 2010 8:56 p.m.

    He really did not do anything when he played as a back up. He has never shown he can throw down field and stretch the defense. A very valuable trait that totally changes the way defenses defend BYU.

    Heaps can stretch the field and that opens up the running game and helps take pressure off of the short passing game.

    Nelson can run but that is best utilized in special situations. BYU is not going to change it's offense to leverage Nelson's primary strength.

    Why should Heap sit just because he is a freshman. That is stupid and biased. If he can run the team better he should run it. He will only get better with more reps.

    The team will follow someone who gains yards and scores. They do not care if the QB is a freshman as long as they win. So far Heaps looks a lot better than last years starter.

    Unless something has changed from last year, I do not see Nelson leading this team to a championship. He is fine as a back up but I saw nothing last year that indicated he could win 12 games a year.

  • Why would Nelson Start?
    March 24, 2010 8:48 p.m.

    He really did not do anything when he played as a back up. He has never shown he can throw down field and stretch the defense. A very valuable trait that totally changes the way defenses defend BYU.

    Heaps can stretch the field and that opens up the running game and helps take pressure off of the short passing game.

    Nelson can run but that is best utilized in special situations. BYU is not going to change it's offense to leverage Nelson's primary strength.

    Why should Heap sit just because he is a freshman. That is stupid and biased. If he can run the team better he should run it. He will only get better with more reps.

    The team will follow someone who gains yards and scores. They do not care if the QB is a freshman as long as they win. So far Heaps looks a lot better than last years starter.

    Unless something has changed from last year, I do not see Nelson leading this team to a championship. He is fine as a back up but I saw nothing last year that indicated he could win 12 games a year.

  • Shaybo
    March 24, 2010 8:19 p.m.

    If Nelson is named the starting QB, it means 2 years out of Heaps' career, don't kid yourselves, he would not be happy and it could very easily turn into a Ben Olsen type of thing, and don't be surprised if several others go with him. I never fail to be amazed at the consistently ignorant "Anonymous" statements.

  • Granny
    March 24, 2010 7:55 p.m.

    RE: Heaps won't start

    You got it right.

  • Heaps won't start
    March 24, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    There is no way Heaps starts. How many true freshman do you see starting in college football?? It's probably around 2%. I see Nelson as the starter this year and next, followed by Munns or Lark, then Heaps comes in his Junior year. That's the best part, all 3 could start eventually!!

  • quarterback
    March 24, 2010 5:35 p.m.

    I trust the coaching staff to make the best decisions as to who does what. They are the professionals. Go Cougs!

  • USC
    March 24, 2010 5:00 p.m.

    Year after year, consistently, USC has the best college football team -- money can buy -- that isn't based in Florida.

  • 1st team rotation
    March 24, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    Heaps is getting his reps with the 1st team recievers it is a rotation that all 3 QB's will get. So for now good work Heaps and may you have continued success. The troubling scenerio is around the "O" Line, it has been wittled down to 5 healthy players !!! This is a very serious position to be in for a team that is poised to perhaps start a freshman QB with a patch work "O" line, very troubling indeed.

  • Don't Be So Condescending
    March 24, 2010 4:38 p.m.

    All of the football programs have great players coming up next year. Great competition is great for developing even greater players, and that goes for competition between teams as well as competition for a position on a team. I hope every player will give there all. Then BYU will have a great team. But any juvenile thinking that our third string would start at our competition lessens personal integrity and shows a disrespect that is unearned and undeserved.

  • eboy
    March 24, 2010 4:34 p.m.

    People say that you shouldnt put too much stock in spring ball... Well, I understand its just practice but I feel a lot better about 7-7 and 83 yards in a two min drill than 0-7 and 0 yards in a two min drill. Just sayin'. Jake will be our starter this fall.

  • It's still better
    March 24, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    UW, ASU, Oregon, Arizona are still better consistently than SDSU,COLO st., New Mexico,Whyoming, Air force, UNLV every year. Those schools are horrible, ok fine maybe once in awhile Air force will have a decent year but even they went 8-5 in that conf? C'mon!

  • 9-4
    March 24, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    Is bad to you? USc fans are furious about last year's 9-4 season. WE should be going to the NC or major BCS bowl every year. WE EXPECT to get there where as you hope you'll get there. Do you really wanna talk smack on USC? REally?

  • DodgerDoug
    March 24, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    Enough with who we all think should be starting next year. The coaches see them everyday in practice and they do know more than us despite what some fans may think. The coaches will make the right decission when it comes to game time in September! But it is still fun to talk about! :)

  • USC
    March 24, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    and with all that history, the Trojans last season still lost to FOUR conference opponents, one with a losing record, and BARELY beat a FIFTH opponent, Arizona State...

    at Washington(5-7) L 13-16
    at Arizona State(4-8) W 14-9

    for shame.

  • 2 NC's, 2 Heisman's, 7 BCS bowls
    March 24, 2010 3:32 p.m.

    USC has done more in 1o years than BYU has done in 20. Enough said! Remember the last time you played SC? That's right!

  • Careers?
    March 24, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    Why do they call a player's time in college football a "career"? Doesn't a 'career' denote the fact that a player was paid?

    If that is the case then a player must be in the SEC conference to call it a career.

    Oh,and go BYU. They have they enviable task of selecting from a stable of good quarterbacks. All 3-4 players could be starting in on most MWC teams.

  • Ed in Atl
    March 24, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    I can't wait to drive down to Tallahassee with my 'Noles neighbor fan and watch that game. It will be different then last year.

  • eboy
    March 24, 2010 12:47 p.m.

    If Jake is already looking better than Riley in spring ball he will start for the Cougs this fall. Riley should be blowing Jake out of the water at this point with all of his 'experience'. Jake has never taken a snap in a college game and he is already on the same level as Riley? Are you kidding me? This wont even be close in Aug. Go Cougs!!!

  • BYU Fan
    March 24, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    Whoever the best QB is should start. Heaps seems to be the most productive so if he keeps it up he should start. Experience is huge in collegiate football and since Riley has had experience, he'll get his shots too. Lark is a great QB too and will make a great push to start. In the end, it shouldn't be about hype or this kid could've gone somewhere or experience alone because all these things don't compete on the field. It's the player who competes in the game. If Heaps could've gone somewhere else then he would've if he wanted to. Since he came here he has to fight for his chance and obviously he's doing an outstanding job. Whoever is the best will play. I don't think Munns has as much of a chance unless he's spectacular from day one. He's already 6 months behind these QB's. That's my two cents, but it's fun to read about these guys competing. I think we'll have another 10-win season regardless.

  • Granny
    March 24, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    To "Dear Granny"... I appreciate your thoughtful perspective, but I still stand by my comments. Did you mean "Heaps-Lark" league? No matter, I hope that BYU has a great football team for many years to come. And that any area team with a deserving record can bust the BCS again.

    Digressing from the original article, does anyone know when "The Mountain" network contract with the MWC will be over? I can't afford the satellite service nor game tickets so my only chance to see an occasional game was/is on a major network or a rebroadcast on BYU TV. Do I understand correctly that some university administrations didn't get a complete briefing on the ramifications of the deal before they signed? Not casting blame, just asking.

  • Skyline Spartan
    March 24, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    Heaps is not from Issaquah but Sammamish, WA where Skyline High is located. I wish the DesNews sporting staff would get this right.

    The Heaps lived in our neighborhood for a few years, he, his sister and parents are great people. His poise, pinpoint passing and overall game maturity will take him far in collegiate football. The Cougie staff should dispense with the suspense and name him their starter now. He should be taking all of the first team snaps. It's clear he's the future of the program.

  • Big Ed
    March 24, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    I noticed last week that the cornerbacks from BYU seemed to give praise to Heaps and his ability to get the ball downfield. They indicated that as a corner, he had to play a different game and play the receiver differently when Heaps is directing the offence. Coaches are more cautious but sounds like Heaps has more passing tools than his competitors. Go Cougs

  • Transfers
    March 24, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    Heaps would have started at Tennessee this year had he chosen to go there. So why wouldn't he start at BYU?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Munns or Lark transfer.

  • "Stalwart"
    March 24, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    I like all the positives I'm hearing from Spring Football. Thank heavens we have something to keep our minds busy until football next fall. I know I'll get blasted for this, but maybe it'll make sense to platoon at QB next fall. It's really too early to tell, but it sounds like Heaps may win the job. No matter what, he'll be a true freshman. There will be times when he's rattled or injured. Enter Nelson or Lark to help out. BYU lucked out during most of the Hall years with very limited back up experience at the QB position. (lucky Hall wasn't hurt more) Maybe letting Heaps start and keeping the other QB's on a short leash is the answer. Blast away nay sayers.

  • DHan
    March 24, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    The player who performs best should start. Period. All the extra hype and speculation is useless. The nice thing is that if the starter's game goes south or if there's an injury, the coaching staff now has plenty of capable back-ups.

    If Riley doesn't start, they should strongly consider having him run a wild-cat formation for 3rd and short or red-zone situations. Or once in a blue moon put him in as a wide out to run some trick plays (bounce pass, reverse pass etc)

  • Me
    March 24, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    First of all, the name is Nelson, NOT Nielsen.

    Secondly, this is really simple people. All else equal among the QB contenders, you play the FRESHMAN! Even if Heaps is slightly below the level of Nelson, you go with Jake because he has the most UPSIDE. He has four years to hone his skills. Imagine the stability to the program, and the proficiency Heaps would gain with being a four year starter.

  • Dear Granny
    March 24, 2010 11:07 a.m.

    Heaps and Lark also had amazing stats in hs. Nelson is a good athlete. But unless BYU decides to run the Wildcat offense this season, Nelson simply is not in the Heaps-Nelson league as a pure drop back passer.

    BYU has a couple of excellent downfield receivers in Jacobson and Appo. Nelson is not built to take advantage of them like Heaps and Lark. Nelson simply is a faster version of Hall. Hall was productive but also the product of great timing. He came in between several QBs all of whom would have beaten him out in head to head battles - Olson, Beck, Lark, Munns and now Heaps. With everything else even, Hall is #6 on that list in terms of talent. Timing is everything for BYU QBs.

    But I digress. Heaps is FAR more than just his hype or hs stats. He excelled in all-star camps and games against the very best hs QBs and is playing like a senior the first week of spring ball. Yes he came in with hype - but now we are witnessing why. He is simply the best pure passer we have had in Provo in a long long time.

  • Granny
    March 24, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    Many of you Heaps supporters are forgetting the amazing stats that Riley Nelson racked up in his senior year alone. Get over the Heaps hype. Nelson is the full package, more mature, and has appropriately fulfilled his religious obligations. And, no, I'm not Riley's granny...don't know him or anyone in his family.

  • To "Brandon Domanding"
    March 24, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    You're right "Brandon Domanding". Doman should tell Heaps that he has arrived and has nothing to improve upon. This would be a GREAT move for a coach during Spring practice.

  • Re: The whole Qb thing | 9:37
    March 24, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Nice try, only Palmer has really done anything out of that bunch. The jury is still out on Leinart, Sanchez and Cassell.

  • A Few Thoughts
    March 24, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    1. Interesting quote about Heaps from Doman in today's KSL post:

    "He can drop back and launch the ball around the field, which the other two guys can't quite do it the way he does it. But they're still pretty adequate that way,"

    He goes on to praise Nelson's running ability and Lark's poise and strength but he basically said that Heaps is the best passer. In the same article Brian Logan - the one guy who ought to know best - said Heaps has already impressed him the most. Unless Heaps hits some unexpected wall I simply see no reason we won't be seeing our first true freshman opening game starter. I for one and extremely excited about that.

    2. The fact that we have such a strong offensive line and running game makes it that much easier to start a true freshman QB.

    3. To "the whole QB thing" - I am just as excited to see who will be the starting TE or who will emerge as the primary backup RB behind Unga. Of course we are excited about the QB battle - just like the Utes were during their preseason last year.

  • Re: the whole QB thing
    March 24, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    USC is the epitomy of overhyped. Every year it's "USC for national champs" and they recruit as well as any school in the country and then loose to Oregon State or Stanford. Now they just went 9-4 and their coach is Lame Kiffin so don't even get me started about overhyped.

  • Wa Coug
    March 24, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    Heaps has stated several times to sources as well as the media that he is not planning on going on a mission. He actually noted Tim Tebow and said he thought he could be that kind of vocal religious influence without leaving on a mission. But, a lot changes when you're on campus and everyone is preparing to go, so who knows.

  • The whole Qb thing
    March 24, 2010 9:37 a.m.

    at BYU is soo overhyped and talked about. Sure they have produces some descent qb's but no heisman winners or top nfl draft picks or anything like that in the last 15 years or so. The only two guys that really did anything at the next level were young and McMahon. The byu/lds community makes such a big deal about the BYU QB posiiton. Sorry but the QB factory is USC. Rodney Peete,Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart,John David Booty,Mark Sanchez,Matt Cassell, Rob johnson etc.

  • Texas Cougar
    March 24, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    I also remember the New Mexico game Detmer started. The starting QB Sean Covey was injured and couldn't play that week. Detmer also saved our bacon in a relief role in at least 3 games he finished; against TCU, Hawaii, and the bowl game against Colorado. I remember him finishing losses against Wyoming, Utah, and Miami. Detmer was a redshirt freshman and the year was 1988.

  • Heaps Will Start
    March 24, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    So far there is absolutely no reason to think Heaps won't start. Other than Ben Olson, he is the top rated QB to EVER come to BYU. He enrolled early to nullify the small experience gap (Nelson and Lark really only have practice experience). And he seems to be doing fantastic the first two weeks of spring ball. I see no reason why he would not start. We have a solid o-line and run game to take off initial pressure. At a bare minimun he seems every bit as capable as the two older QBs so that alone is reason to get the freshman in.

    I still think Lark will make a good push and it will end up being Lark and Heaps getting the majority of snaps the first part of fall camp. It will be Heaps-Lark 1 and 2 going into the Washington game. The odd man out is definitely Munns. If Heaps starts and Lark is a solid #2 he really has no future short of injury. I see him transferring and Nelson moving to slot or safety.

    Don't forget - without 3 terrible injuries Ben Olson would be in the NFL today.

  • sgawrys
    March 24, 2010 7:08 a.m.

    Cougar Nate, you are wrong. Detmer started and played the entire game against New Mexico is RS Freshman year. He threw for about 360 and 5 TD's. I remember because I was there hoping he would start the remainder of the games.

  • Brandon Domanding
    March 24, 2010 5:39 a.m.

    Coach Doman, please reconcile your statement about Heaps, "He's got a long ways to go to understand the offense and efficiently move the team around," with this summary taken from this same article: "Heaps stood out Tuesday during 11-on-11 drills, engineering an 83-yard touchdown drive during a two-minute offense situation. He completed 7 of 7 passes in a drive that culminated with a 7-yard touchdown toss to Spencer Hafoka. Heaps also completed passes to O'Neill Chambers, Matt Marshall, Marcus Mathews, and McKay Jacobson on that drive. On the day, Heaps finished 9-9 for 97 yards."

    I guess 100% accuracy throwing to 5 receivers and a touchdown is not efficiently moving the team around, in your eyes? None of the other QBs are moving the offense with anything close to that level of efficiency.

  • mel
    March 24, 2010 3:42 a.m.

    Heaps has his head on his shoulders, not in the clouds. He knows that the best QB will start and play the season, if that's not him then he won't mind he'll just keep working hard and take advantage of all opportunities that come his way.

  • Mountain Cat
    March 24, 2010 2:14 a.m.

    Please indulge me one more time. Follow the great Johnny Wooden model in UCLA basketball. He won ten national championships with it. Choose talent over experience. That's what Wooden always said.

    Do you remember when Engemann was our QB? We regularly substituted a quarterback right out of Richfield High (Pendleton?) and kept the number one HS quarterback in the nation on our bench. Go figure.

  • Blue Chelan 56
    March 24, 2010 1:21 a.m.

    BYU is fortunate to have the stable of Qb's they now have to work with. Being from WA.,I have followed Heaps's HS. career.I have seen film and two of his State play-off games.Back in the 60's and 70's when I was still coaching HS Fotball, I would have to compare his level of development ,as a senior in high school,like that of the better Jr. College Qb's in the country after playing a year or two at that level. I think he is that far along in his development.He still has a lot to learn, but he will get there.Riley Nelson and James Lark appear to be Quality Qb's as well.I just have not seen Lark in action, and saw very little of Nelson last year.I did like what little I did see.Wish they had played him more than they did, so he could have thrown the ball under game conditions.It will be an interesting spring and fall.Gooo...Cougs.

  • byu_waman
    March 24, 2010 12:40 a.m.

    I hope they start this guy. But the big problem and Q mark is the mission. Red shirting, mission and so on destroys a player (think Ben Olson) because it takes a player away from the game for 3-4 years. This is a HUGE obstacle. If Heaps can play, does play, and avoids the redshirt mission trap he could be great!

  • LookRealityInTheEyes
    March 24, 2010 12:33 a.m.

    Seriously cougar are no where near a national championship! Unless you guys can get out of the conference, you won't get the shot.That is the pure truth.

    However, Heaps will be the GREATEST QB in BYU History. When he was 12 he would have single handedly dismantled the Mountain West Conference. Now he's 18 playing with the poise of Peyton Manning. I predict that he'll make the Wheaties box his Sophomore year, and have a trophy named after him during year three. Then we'll have to say adios to the Legend as he'll leave for the NFL...he'll obviously be the number 1 pick in the draft with 3 Heisman trophies in his back pocket. Mark it down!

  • bYu 4 eVa
    March 23, 2010 7:56 p.m.

    Jason Munns will be the wild card in all of this. He already knows most of the plays. (He redshirted before his mission.) He played in a similar style in high school so he knows the reads. (At least that's what I read on his bio online.) IF (and it's a big IF) he's in shape, the fall qb battle could be very interesting.

  • The curse of Ben Olson
    March 23, 2010 7:47 p.m.

    I am worried that everyone is so afraid that Heaps will leave that they will start him no matter what. Heaps is NOT Olson, he probably won't leave if he doesn't start right away. Lets give all of the quarterbacks a good look before ordaining him the "greatest qb in BYU history".

  • SD Coug
    March 23, 2010 7:47 p.m.

    Not only could Heaps have gone elsewhere, he was instrumental in recruiting other top talent to the Y. If he is in fact the best quarterback this year, that loyalty and leadership should be rewarded with the starting job. In the end, the best quarterback (= talent, leadership, confidence) should start, regardless of their tenure with team.

  • wYo8
    March 23, 2010 7:39 p.m.

    Riley may start the season as the starter but heaps will finish the season as the starter. may be about the third game.

  • Y Fan
    March 23, 2010 6:04 p.m.

    I'm a die hard Y fan and I completely agree with the Ute Fan. Heaps had many choices coming out of HS and if he is the best QB he should start. He shouldn't be favored or hurt for being a true freshman. If he wins the job- then play him

  • Conejo
    March 23, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    As a BYU fan I expect them to win 8 games this year. They will probably end up 3rd in conference. That isn't a knock on the talent. That is just the reality of inexperience. In a couple of years BYU looks to be absolutely dominant but they need experience before that happens.

  • Chase SL
    March 23, 2010 5:54 p.m.

    Coach made a great point, we are trying to be National Champs, and we have a very good chance. I think we red shirt Heaps and let Riely win the National title back to back years, and then have Heaps hold the mantle for three stright years proceeding that. Do I hear 5 peat! I think so...

    March 23, 2010 5:53 p.m.

    Firstly Ty never started a game his freshman year. Yes he played a lot, but never actually started a game, until his sophomore year. He finished agianst Wyoming and Colorado. The colorado game was in the freedom bowl, where he was named MVP, but he never started as a freshman. And as for you ute trolls that remain anonymous. The O-line is not depleated they are holding most guys out of spring drills. they should have around 10 O-linemen when the season starts and how can you call someone Over Hyped when you have never seen him even take a college snap. GO back to your ute posts, OH yeah no one cares about utah. And as for your QB. He is a twig and will be broken before the season ends.

  • Jump off Ute "fans"
    March 23, 2010 5:37 p.m.

    You're jealous as usual of our outstanding QBs. Our 4th string would start for the Yew.

  • UteFan
    March 23, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    I am a Ute fan, but I have to say, the Y would be crazy not to start Heaps. Heaps did the Y a favor, and the Y should return it. If you disagree, you are being arrogant. He could have gone to much better programs, but chose not to do so. Of the current Y QB's, he has much more raw talent and potential. While he may be younger and less experienced, the Y should take advantage and INVEST in building this kid into the greatest Y QB in history. It might not happen, but of all the QB recruits to sign with the Y, who has had more potential than this to become the greatest Y QB in history? It will only happen if he gets 4 years of development and experience. Just the honest thoughts of a die hard Ute fan...

  • reload
    March 23, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    Let's see...

    The Cougars won a conference championship with Senior John Beck at QB, then proceeded to win two of the next three conference championships.

    Last year the Cougars had to move a tight end to the offensive line, and DT Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma who will go anywhere from #2 to #6 in the NFL draft was virtually invisible.

    The Cougars will have a great running game to take pressure of whichever QB, and they will do just fine...

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 5:09 p.m.

    Over hyped Heaps + depleated OLine = 5-7 season.

    He'll be lucky to make it to his sophmore season.

  • Nielsen
    March 23, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    Is number 1 right now as quarterback.

  • akk
    March 23, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    Who cares what they say now... of coarse they,re going to sing praises of all their QB's now. Heaps will start unles he's terrible and he's not terrible. It will serve Nielsen right to be a career back up for leaving Utah St.

  • Best Player with leadership
    March 23, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    should start! Don't burn his redshirt year unless he's the one.

  • loaded at QB
    March 23, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    We are loaded at QB. We're going to have at least 3 guys who would all do great starting for us. Like LaVell Edwards used to say back in the late 70's and early 80's it's a nice problem to have.

  • Anonymous
    March 23, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    I just hope they pick one guy and one guy only. a platoon at QB never works.

  • Ryan
    March 23, 2010 4:16 p.m.

    I'm confident that Bronco will choose the best player for the position, and I'm excited to see who that will be. I've no doubt that any one of the three will be outstanding.

  • Re: Steve
    March 23, 2010 3:55 p.m.

    So far he is the best player, and unless that changes that's probably who will start.

  • Detmer
    March 23, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    Detmer redshirted his 1st year at BYU. He first started a game as a redshirt freshman not a true freshman.

  • Heaps
    March 23, 2010 3:53 p.m.

    Play him!

  • Bradmarkley
    March 23, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    Didn't Ty Detmer start as a true freshman? I recall a Wyoming game in which he was thrown into the fire as a Freshman.

  • Steve
    March 23, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    I just hope Bronco doesn't pull a Pete Carroll and start Heaps because he is the sexy name. The best player should should start no matter what.

  • GO Jake GO
    March 23, 2010 3:30 p.m.

    Better look over your shoulder Riley.....

    The curse of BIG BLUE is coming to get YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!