Utah Jazz: Short-handed team glides past Wizards

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  • todd from santa ana
    March 17, 2010 1:07 a.m.

    Cl and the Boys; unfortunate news..It seems like after a season of inconsistency, Andrew Bynum has played very well the last several games for the Lakers. Tonight a 20-10 game. Him, and Gasol were lethal. Odom was not so hot tonight, but these 3 are why no one is likely to beat them. If Nene in Denver was couple inches taller, same for Martin they could challenge more seriously.

    Fes of course is not the total answer to stop these 3, if this organization though had played Fes and brought in another big even in a minor deal, the Jaaa would have had a much better chance.

    Greg knew all the Jazz had to do was win 50 and the playoffs were gravy as the town would accept anything he and O connor fed us

  • CL
    March 16, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    Good posts from Chuck, Miles, BR, The Truth,: I couldn't agree more, Fes will only get better with time, I just want it to happen sooner, rather than later and that is why I too, continue to cry for more playing time for Fes.
    As far as CJ is concerned, I have come to the realization that we are just going to have to be patient. He shows good potential and has good games every so often but consistency is a problem. Hopefully, because he is young he will come to understand what it is going to take to reach his potential & become the player he can be.
    AK needs to get healthy, when he is playing well he is the biggest difference maker on the team.
    Mathews has been playing well lately and hopefully he will continue that level of play. As a rookie, that may not happen though.
    Schedule wise the Jazz may have a good chance to finish in the top 4 in the west and get a home court advantage.
    I still think Fes needs to be able to contribute if we are going to be able to complete with the Lakers, Nuggets,Mavs etc.

  • YOUNG?
    March 16, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    CJ will NOT be LBJ or Kobe, so do not expect him to take over the NBA after HS.

    The reality is...he turns 23 on March 18th. In other words, he is equivalent in age to a rookie (who spent 4 yrs in college) this year.

    Think of your maturity level at 23 yrs old...I know I did some pretty dumb stuff...I think we will be happy to have him in a year or two. Remember...the poorer he plays now...the cheaper he might be when we really do want him.

    I apologize if his age was brought up earlier, as I could not read all 40 something posts.

  • B.R.
    March 16, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    Whoops, my spelling is not very "impressive" though.

  • B.R.
    March 16, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    @ Chuck Nunn

    Great post Chuck! You see things out there on the court that most people don't notice. Important things. Things that make a difference in the game. Then you have a good way of putting what you see into words that all can understand. You should be a sports writer for a major news paper or sports publication. Keep up the good work. Glad I found the Jazz Oracle! Very immpressive!

  • B.R.
    March 16, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    Good post rick, you obviously know basketball and the importance of defending the painted area. Good info on the Layden and Dantley rift. I will look forward to reading future posts.

    Back when Fes was getting more minutes when Memo was out, his confidence was up and he played better, shot free throws better. With some playing time this kid will improve greatly. His confidence will go up, his play on the floor will improve rapidly and so will his free throw percentage. If he sits all the time like he has been he will regress. We need him to play enough each game to give Memo a good breather. Then Memo can be rested enough to have his legs in the 4th quarter. Then we can see Memo hit some money balls. Then we will have a big man ready to come in and contribute during the playoffs.

  • Chuck Nunn
    March 16, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    Blauch, the Thunder scored eight points in the paint during the time that Fesenko was in, and 40 when he wasn't. And he played 15 minutes. OKC's guards are very good at getting to the rim, but the rate of scoring in the paint did slow down when Fess was in. Folks expect him to go for several games without playing and then give a 20-10 on the rare instance he does get minutes. The big man battled against OKC and he did against the Wiz. they weren't his best performances of the season, but he went out and played hard. If he had been getting minutes in the rotation all along, we'd see more consistency out of him.

    Same goes for CJ as to playing hard and battling. His shooting was off, but he was doing other things defensively that made a big difference. He's getting minutes, and I think that his consistency will come. We'll still need AK to start at the 3, but CJ is a good reserve who contributes well in his role one way or the other.

  • Miles
    March 16, 2010 3:04 p.m.

    For all you CJ haters. Weren't you the ones that wanted the Jazz to sign Morris Peterson a few years ago to 8 million a year? Are you going to tell me Morris is better than CJ and CJ is half the money?

  • Oh yeah...
    March 16, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    I think people just like talking about CJ because that is such a cool name and easy to type.

  • The Truth
    March 16, 2010 2:45 p.m.

    I just don't get why everyone makes a big deal out of CJ...love him or hate him...for what CJ is paid compared to others on the team he is well worth his 4/5 million dollar salary. If CJ can make the difference in at least 6 to 10 games out of the year, then he is worth his salary.

    If you are counting on CJ to win games every night you just aren't a very good team. D-will, Booz, Memo and AK have to carry this team. So far this season the Jazz are about on schedule with what most people thought they would be, not better or worse.

    When it comes to Fess, it's not what you see now that is the issue, it's what he can develop into come the playoffs. In order to match, LA, Den, Dallas, Utah is going to need size. No Memo isn't going to get it done all by himself.

    @blauch, you'd probably state the Jazz are developing KK as well? to the equivalent of 16 college games with the minutes he's played for two years? take the blinders off.

  • jazzman72
    March 16, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    Happy to see a complete game from CJ. He didn't have an offensive outburst, but it's good to see him trying on D, getting rebounds, getting assists, and getting a block. That's the effort we need from him. If he keeps that effort up, his offense will come to him.

  • OHOH
    March 16, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    Its the Wizards dont get too excited Jazz fans...

  • Phil in AZ (again)
    March 16, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    To all the CJ haters:

    Sloan is leaving him on the floor at the end of a LOT of close games. He must be doing something right. Yes, he's erratic - but he has an upside you cannot ignore. There is a reason we didn't let him go - there is a reason many teams call and ask if he's available. He's not worth what we're paying him now, but how many players on our team are? Give him a little more time (he's young yet).

  • Phil in AZ
    March 16, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    Is anyone still SERIOUSLY upset that Brewer is gone? Wes is doing twice as much as Brewer with those minutes. Our outside shooting has been awesome the last month.

  • Miles
    March 16, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    The Jazz are a great team when everyone is healthy. Which is not very often these days. Dwill is banged up, AK out, Price out, Memo barely back, Its hard to win consistently when you are always shuffling the lineup. The Jazz seem to do better when AK is starting and CJ is coming off the bench. Matthews has proven to be worthy of replacing Brewer. Fes he is a headcase. How long has he been in the league?

  • blauch
    March 16, 2010 12:08 p.m.


    I agree. Fes is huge and when he is guarding Duncan or someone else. I see how big he is. I understand how he can effect the game. I don't think his help defense is that great. OKC's (or any team where Fes is playing) guards are effective at getting to the rim

    As far as help defense - rotating over to help a player. I would rank Millsap the best player by far.
    Fes/Okur both do a good job
    Boozer rotation is bad - very bad.

    The Jazz are developing him. Hopefully they can get him ready - if Boozer leaves to back up Okur.

    But this team is not better playing Fes when they have Okur, Millsap and Boozer.

  • NGB
    March 16, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    I think the CJ haters need to ease up a bit. I've been critical of him too as of late, but he had a good game yesterday. Maybe didn't shoot well, but did things that AK usually does, steals rebs assists and a good block. I really think CJ could help us more if he took it inside more, he's got length and is very athletic and has made great moves in the past when attacking the rim, he just doesn't do it enough so he doesn't finish well, but like the put back monster dunk by boozer, he had a sweet reversal that just missed.
    People are talking about Fes's offense, but it was quite apparent yesterday that Jerry is sitting him because of his defense as well. 5 fouls in 15 mins, millsap doesn't get good calls for him and it still takes him 30 mins to get as many fouls. Big men will just pump fake him and draw a foul. Yes, i agree he's a big body inside, but he needs to be better one on one and start boxing his opponents out.

  • to purple people eater
    March 16, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    the answer is the jazz are a superstar short..that is obvious..

    they are a very good team with 2 very good players that will get you very good results ....but not the ultimate success of a championship or even the opportunity to play for a championship

  • CL
    March 16, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    Re forty: Amen
    Re Houdini, good post.
    Re Blauch ; I disagree with you about Fes, he does effect the paint better than anyone else on the Jazz. When Okur is in, he can play one on one against the other teams big OK but he plays Matador defense on the driving guards, Fes is active and does try to block shots and does alter shots. Fes moves well for a big man and he is hustling and working hard. All he really needs is alot of PT to develop and learn. Good to hear they have Horny working with him. Some games he plays better than others, I didn't really think he played all that well last night. Sometimes he gets lost or maybe he is trying to hustle so much he gets out of position. Time will tell.
    I remember complaining about Eaton and no offense from him but his D would be a welcome sight on this team. Fes has the potential to be a defensive stopper and eventually contribute on offense. Hopefully the coaches will keep working on him and help him reach his potential. It will make the Jazz better.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    March 16, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Concerning the Jazz current roster...

    To win a championship, you need the following:

    1. Superstar (or near-superstar)---Utah doesn't currently have the superstar, but does have one or more near-superstars.
    2. Two supporting great players (just under superstar status, or being near-superstars)---Utah has those.
    3. Two more supporting starters that can keep the top three players from being double-teamed all the time---Utah has those.
    4. An effective bench, meaning you don't go from 10+ to 10- while they're in---Utah has those.

    So, to win a championship, the Jazz are either one superstar short, or maybe good enough to do it without one.

    This is why I like the idea of keeping Boozer around. He's one of the three near-superstars that are needed. D-Will and the AK/Okur combo are the others.

    To lose Boozer means that Utah would need to replace his equivalence, or pick up a superstar. Unlikely.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    March 16, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    RE: Miles @ 9:42 am, it's fine to play great defense once in awhile, but consistent offense does you more for staying with a team. I don't fault Miles for his defense, just his inconsistent shooting. He needs to fix that.

    Missing shots is how other teams make runs on you.

  • rick
    March 16, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    Chris is totally wrong about young players coming into NBA.Alot of colleges DON'T teach their players basic fundamentals.My best friend's nephew is Pena, center @ Villanova.I watch all his games & I see so many minor flaws in his game.Last year I believe that Heat rookie freaked out & said he wasn't taught anything at the college level & he's not preparred for the NBA at this time.An NBA coach should recognize this & give extra attention to developing that player; just don't give up on the kid because they drafted poorly.If a college kid never went to basketball camps & played in the school grounds all thru high school, he just played on his natural abilities until the reality of the NBA hits him in the face & he doesn't even know the basics; it's happening...Finally cowboys, you are SO wrong.Eaton played when LA had one of the BEST teams in NBA history.LA went to finals 8 or 9 times in the 80's; yet Jazz played them tuff in '88 W.C.F.'s.Jazz had great teams during his time;just fell short many yrs.

  • Miles
    March 16, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    @Purple: Hold on, you complain that all CJ does is shoot. Did you forget he had 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals (the whole team had 11) and 1 incredible block? He must have done something right, he played 33 minutes. If I recall, he was +30 last night and the Jazz won easily. OH I forgot, you just like to complain like the rest of them to try and get me going. Even Houdini gave some love to CJ, maybe you should try!!

  • blauch
    March 16, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    Rick, Jazz Cop, Todd, The Mailman.

    Wow. That is all I got to say.

    The Jazz are working with Fes. Yesterday on 1320 - they were talking about the pregame drill Jeff was doing with Fes where he would get the ball on the block and Jeff would slap him on his wrist as he shot and then he would go shoot free throws. Apparently, his wrist had red marks. Right now Fes is the 4 best big player.

    I watched the OKC game. The Jazz were not a better defensively team with Fes. Or Interior defensive is not better with Fez.

    Yes one on one (because of his size) he can play Duncun/Gasol well, but so can Okur. This is probably Boozer and Millsap weakness against taller players. But the problem is he does not rotate quick enough. He is still too slow defensively. And he went 2 of 8 at the line.

    I have blasted CJ - but he played within the game. The baffling part is the Jazz set multiple picks for Miles yesterday to get him open, but we never set picks for AK to create mismatches so he can take it to the rim.

  • todd to jazz cop
    March 16, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    I am saying Fesenko who got about 15 minutes last night should be getting that EVERY NIGHT AND not just in blowouts

    Doug, spare us on "the small market" speech. It is old and boring

  • Houdini
    March 16, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    I`m the original CJ blaster..and I say he didn`t shoot well,but he did some other things that help and that`s the important thing,I don`t really think CJ is that great of a shooter,very steaky,but if he plays an all around solid game and he can contribute

  • No More Diaper Boy Drafts
    March 16, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    Management please forget these diaper baby's in future drafts. None have ever worked. Make a trade with your pick or get at least a college junior or senior!

  • Doug
    March 16, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    Come on people, what would have been the greatest waste was to see Boozer or Williams get injured while the Jazz were up by 30 points against the Wizards.

    They had just played their guts out over a 4 game road trip then to be playing at that stage of the game seems like gambling to me. Williams did in fact go down, then Sloan hurried and took him out.

    The debate about CJ will go on by people who do not understand the NBA. SLC is a small market and the the number of NBA teams lined up to get a non-starter from a small marekt are really not that many.

    That means if Jazz traded CJ to another NBA team wthey could get, lets see....that is right, just about nobody. So in all honesty they should never say CJ and the word trade in the same sentence.

    CJ does provide the JAzz with an athletic guy who although is currently inconsistent has to be covered by the opponent. They do not know if he will be hitting that night or not. With Brewer there was no dobt he would not hit.

    CJ may yet surprise us.

  • CJ +30
    March 16, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    Allthat means is he was out there when everyone else was playing well and doing their job,He did ZERO

  • forty
    March 16, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    I think C J will end up a great player in the NBA. Remember, he came out of high school! Most players do not develop until after full college career, and several years in the NBA. C J has spent most of that time riding the pine. I didn't think Fez would amount to much. But he is slowly changing my mind. I too am old enough to remember the old days. I've had season tickets since the Jazz first came here. Although I was never a Eaton fan, he was a big body that was always in the way! And for all of you that moan over Fez and his free throws, I think he will be better than most at his position. His form is good! Most big men in the NBA shoot under 70 percent.

    Remember, Sloan is notoriously slow at player development. Even Williams spent most of his first season on the bench! That is one reason the Jazz have been so unsuccessful with first round picks. So much hype, so much money, so little time on the floor!

  • Cowboy Joe on Eaton
    March 16, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    How far did the Jazz get with Eaton? Oh yeah no more success than this bunch. Eaton was good, but he was not the difference maker. He couldn't lead that team to the finals, just like Fes or whoever today can't lead this team to the promise land.

    THe one constant is Slown. Get a new coach and maybe the Jazz can win something.

  • Jazz Cop
    March 16, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    Re: Todd, are you saying you think the jazz should be playing fesenko or not?

    I wouldn't have thought we would miss brewer this much, we gave up alot of athleticism on that trade. I don't think sloan is doing the right things, enough said. Its a different team now, but with some adjustments we could be better than we are.

    It's easy to see that fesenko is worth developing. Against okc, the camera panned on collison going to the bench after being matched up with fesenko, and the look on collisons face said it all, he was getting handled on the physical level, not so much skill, but fes is a pure physical mismatch for most players, although he's horrible shooting the ball, he's basically good to go, he's quick enough on rotations and can pass out of most situations. i think he can get an offensive game that eaton never had. Eaton was just bigger than most everyone, and so is fesenko, eaton proved his toughness over the years, but fesenko looks like he can be tough too.

  • John Wicks
    March 16, 2010 7:09 a.m.

    Miles should be assigned a seat on the end of the bench and never move. He has been given more than enough to grow up and produce. Talk about a waste. What Jerry sees in him befuddles me.

  • Jazz Cop
    March 16, 2010 7:02 a.m.

    @c33-mr. miller-
    I agree, I thought cj had a pretty good game. He played with alot of effort, he didn't have to score a bunch. Cj has sparked this team to many comebacks, and his defense was pretty good. he's getting better, going to the hole, shooting, defense, passing, rythm. Its hard to see why so many people all over him, for no good reasons.
    Theres a couple of things you can say about him, he's got alot of athelticism, and he's progressing. people overlook his development because its slow,but hes done some nice things for the team that have resulted in wins.

  • Chris
    March 16, 2010 6:42 a.m.

    Teh key to athletes succeeding is up to teh athlete, not the coach. If Jerry were a bad coach, he wouldn't be coaching so long. Let see. His teams over produce, for the most part, but he isn't a good coach. When you arer drafting people, most of the time, who are at the end of the 1st round, or 2nd round, your choices of finding someone that can take off and go, are limited. So they do what they can, with what they have. Williams had to learn, Milsap understood the game, Mathews understands the game, and soem others. They could of burried their heads in the sand and whined in the corner, or they could come out, learn, and compete. Miles has shown that he can skip Summer workouts, not learn from his mistakes that he keeps making, and seems lost. The centers still don't have a clue. Mark Eaton still worked hard, ask Hakeem or Kareem how they felt in playing against him. They also had scoring forwards, so they didn't need a center to be the focal point. It's up to the athlete to develop.

  • the Mialman
    March 16, 2010 3:35 a.m.

    C.J +30.

    Why all the hate? I think some here are a bit hard on him, give the boy a bit of time before you run him out of time.

    Is it because the Booze is playing so well you need someone to put down?

  • the Mailman
    March 16, 2010 2:40 a.m.

    Good post rick. Very true what you say, very few are stars overnight, they need trust shown in them and above all encouragement. No matter what Sloan says, 99.999999999% of coaches will say you work with players to help them reach their full potential, not be inflexible and sit them after one mistake, or sometimes none at all.

    Face it Sloan lovers, Jerry Sloan as coach of the Jazz equals never, ever ever wininng a ring. The proof is in the pudding, you want another 21 years before you come around?

  • Jazz Score..even with Injuries
    March 16, 2010 2:35 a.m.

    Thanks you for Win
    Thank you Fans Who
    Believe in them))

  • todd to rick
    March 16, 2010 1:28 a.m.

    good post. Eaton is one of my heroes ever in whichever form of Jersey, Fes has better skills than Mark ever had, but Mark was huge. People forget the toughness. I can remember in those days we did pretty well on the road,. I remember winning games in many Eastern towns like New York and Philly and winning close ones. Mark at the end of games was the centerfield the vacuum of defense and is so unheralded to the Jazz success.

    I have little to say beating garbage tonight. However, Okur did play a complete game and played well defensively. One sequence to start the 2nd half twice he made it hard with his effort for someone to score 5-6 feet with intimidation then got help from his teammates well on help

  • Mr. Miller
    March 15, 2010 11:59 p.m.

    I can't believe how many people rip on CJ. I thought tonight was a great game for him. He had steals, assists, rebounds. I think if he gives this much effort each night, he will be fine.

  • rick
    March 15, 2010 11:41 p.m.

    I had posted a comment last nite which was not posted when all the FES bashers came out.I hope the person reading the blogs prints it tonite...The MAILMAN couldn't hit free throws to save his life his rookie year.Frank Layden got into it with Karl in practice about his misses & A.D. stepped up for the rookie (Karl) & went toe to toe with Mr. Layden (NEW YORK boy)..A.D. was fined a penny because Frank is Frank (cool)..If sloan was Karl's 1st coach, Karl would have went in a different direction (not for the better)..Jerry sat D-WIL almost whole 1st year.I think that's a horrible way to coach,it can get a kid down early in his career.Most of you don't remember seeing Mark Eaton play because you're too young.Utah got him from under a car while he was working as a mechanic.Utah gave Mark a jersey & his foot work was terrible & had no offense what so ever except a baby 6' hook or dunk.Mark became ALL DEFENSIVE PLAYER MANY YRS. ROME WASN'T BUILT OVER-NITE. GO FES !

  • C33
    March 15, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    Sheesh. When Miles scores folks complain that that's all he does is. Tonight he played excellent defense, netting what 3 or 4 steals and a spectacular block, and people complain about it on a night when his scoring wasn't even needed?

    He even went to the line 4 times, which is 4 more times than he had been going there for most of the season. There's nothing to whine about here.

  • PurplePeopleEater
    March 15, 2010 11:37 p.m.

    Hey, Miles! Going 1-7 against weak competition isn't endearing to Sloan. It's not how you stay on an NBA team for very long.

    Inconsistency ruins NBA careers. Miles needs to fix this if he wants to be relevant.

  • CJ is erratic and that
    March 15, 2010 11:31 p.m.

    seems to have more to do with CJ than who is playing against him. He needs to redefine his game or the Jazz need to dump him. He is just as much of a liability as Brewer was but in a different way.

    CJ defines himself as a designated 3 point shooter who occasionally rebounds and sometimes plays good defense. If he does not come up with a complete game, 3.7 mill a year will get a very good player in this economy.

    It is not just CJ's poor shooting efficiency. His play in all aspects of the game is erratic and that is losing games on his bad nights.

    The Jazz can get someone out of Europe or D-league to do what CJ is currently contributing for a whole lot less.

    I am not a CJ hater. I liked Brewer but I realized he had to be replaced with someone who could shoot. Giving his minutes to CJ just created other problems just a serious as not being able to shoot.

    CJ needs decide to consistently play a complete game especially on bad shooting nights or he needs to be replaced this summer.

  • Bossk
    March 15, 2010 11:25 p.m.

    Go OJ - play hard, work on your shot, make the team for the rest of the year. You can do it!

    Best thing about the game was that we finally held a team under 90 points again. Let's hope that starts a trend.

    The writer (as of this moment) has the Jazz record at 43-34. Let's hope that isn't a forecast! They're currently 43-24.

    And speaking of CJ, it's fine (though not really) that he plays as a reserve. But why does he get more minutes than anyone else on the team? It didn't hurt tonight, but it certainly did last night in OKC. Not that we have too many other options, but this definitely has to be fixed for next year!

  • CJ Miles
    March 15, 2010 11:09 p.m.

    Another big night,way to go CJ,you`re really helping the team

  • There is a reason why...
    March 15, 2010 10:52 p.m.

    C.J. is not a starter. He isn't consistent enough. That is why Andrei is the starter. Miles does just fine as a reserve.

  • Dump CJ
    March 15, 2010 10:30 p.m.

    Not Maynor & Brewer............Who is running the Jazz?

    By what STANDARDS is the management measured?

    This all very disheartening...Very SAD!

    Is there any accountability in this organization?

    Is there a plan?

    Is there any semblence or order in the player development program???

    Who is working with the BIG MEN?

  • Why CJ?
    March 15, 2010 9:46 p.m.

    Seriously CJ is absolutely terrible One game in 15 is not worth it. He doesn't even have the 'intangibles.' Seriously he needs to hit the weight room, work on his shooting, EVERY aspect of his game is not bueno. PLEASE Jerry, stop the madness!