Virginia joins Utah in opposing mandated health coverage

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  • Idaho Girl
    March 22, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    WHO do they think they are? Did you know that Socialized Health care bill doesn't effect them??? They can still have their own medical policies! If it is good enough for US, BY GOLLY IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM!!! Now it is time for a revolution! Impeach Obama & arrest every house & senate member that voted for this bill because it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!! They have FAILED this country & have lied & not honored the oath in which they took when they were put in office. It is time to clean the HOUSE & SENATE! We have 8 months to carefully watch & choose who we want to represent us in November & we need to have new representatives that will LISTEN to us!! Citizens of America UNITE!!

  • Washington is broken
    March 11, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    So, 33 other states -- or a full 2/3 of the states -- are pushing back against the Feds.

    To all the left-wing states' rights haters that think Utah's "statement bills" are a waste of time and should be clear that Utah is not alone or in the minority on this. Looks like were in the super majority on this one.

    Since 2/3 of the states are trying to "opt out", it should be quite obvious there's another agenda at play here with Obamacare -- cradle to grave control over you and your health.

  • to Red | 3:09 p.m.
    March 11, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    I never signed up for social security, but I still see it taking large amounts of money out of my paycheck. How do I get them to stop that? Will you do it for me?

  • Red
    March 11, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    These wingnuts either aren't honest enough to serve in public office, or they're not bright enough.

    They all take an oath to support & defend the Constitution of the US.

    They obviously don't mean it -- or they're to dumb to care.


  • Red
    March 11, 2010 3:09 p.m.

    7:43-"When was the last time you tried to opt out of a Federal program like Social Security."

    Piece of cake.

    Just don't sign up.

    Even Part A (the one you get for "free" if you do sign up) won't apply to you.

    Not to mention the optional Parts B, C, and D.

    The other way to opt out of SS -- completely! -- is to work less than 10 years during your lifetime.

    "Red -- answering ridiculously easy questions"

  • to @ conservative victory 2010
    March 11, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    I think the word that is causing all of your emotional problems is the word "when."

    Replace "when" with "if" and you'll see that a large majority of people can handle their debts just fine. It is admirable that this person would be willing to burden his future before he is willing to burden others'.

  • @ conservative victory 2010
    March 11, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    And when you default on all these debts you're willing to take on, where does that leave me and the other taxpayers? I'm sorry, but that's just hypocritical. YOU are a bigger part of the problem here than anything Obama has put on the table.

  • conservative victory 2010
    March 11, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    I would rather be swimming in debt, and getting the medical care I need/want than paying more taxes on care that I may NEVER get!!!!!! What happened to the days where it was embarrassing to ask for government help?? That was the incentive to treat it as a hand-up rather than a hand-out. You were ashamed to need it, and therefore busted your butt to get off it!! I don't mean to sound like an uncaring jerk, but too many people CHOOSE not to carry their fair share of the burden. Now, our country is swimming in entitlement programs that are going bankrupt, and the government has enabled and created multiple generations of dependents, doing nothing but waiting on their government checks. The people who really need help can't get it because we are too busy supporting illegals, and those who think they are "owed" something. Odds are, your own choices put you where you are, and only different choices will change your situation. Now go and be a part of the solution, and not a part of the problem. Thank You!

  • To UofU Hospital
    March 11, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    I hear you. I personally know many who have no insurance because they can not afford it. If something bad happens, they'll be in the same boat.

    I'm not for national social programs - too much consolidated power and too much inefficiency. That said, I'm undecided about state-sponsored social programs. Perhaps at a more local level things could be better managed?

    I think part of the problem hails back to people wanting the president to solve all their problems - small gov't and big gov't supporters alike. I'm sick of presidential questions of "there's this situation happening and what are you going to do about it?" Sometimes advocates of small gov't don't see where they subtly support big gov't.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    Im all for Obamacare, however, after visiting the post office and even the DMV, i can only imagine how a government run insurance would be.

  • Uof U hospital
    March 11, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    I work at the U hospital and this week in acute surgical sevices 13 of 20 patient' had no insurance. of the one's that did three of them are meicaid and 3 private. who do youthink pay's for them? the hospital does. prices will go up less money for emmploees never upper admin. the answer may not be what the presidents doing but the other side is only padding the riches pockets. maybe layoffs. who is being helped by doing nothing while 2 endless wars go on started by the same bush crowd that wants to do nothig.

  • War good, health insurance bad
    March 11, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    War good, health insurance bad. I find it amazing so many Americans think this way.

  • re: oldman
    March 11, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    you said:

    "Yup. Let the corporations continue to gut America. Do nothing. Good luck"

    Another clueless sheep who clearly has no idea what they are talking about.


    Thats right. Your community organizer is in bed with BIG PHARMA and BIG INSURANCE who stand to make 100's of BILLIONS MORE than if they bill does not pass!!


    This legislation MANDATES that you and EVERY AMERICAN lose control and choice over your income and you will be FORCED to purchase health insurance from BIG INSURANCE CORPORATIONS!!!

    Ya that solves the problem of big corporations gutting America.


  • Whose responsibility is it?
    March 11, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    I can agree on only a few points. First, there are a lot of people who don't have healthcare, or who have substandard healthcare. Secondly, insurance companies are in the business to make a profit. They are investment companies and the less they pay out in claims, the greater the profits to their shareholders. Is it "fair" that some people don't have healthcare or substandard coverage? Is it "fair" that insurance companies should be able to make huge profits? Perhaps the answer is NO to all of these questions. But, life never is "fair" and equitable to all; nor, should it be!

    This much I know, it is not the government's responsibility or right (state or federal) to dictate to me what I will and will not do regarding my healthcare decisions. It is not their responsibility to "take care of me". We live more and more in a time when all people want is a free ride.

    Let's provide through our taxes, care for those who are "unable" to care for themselves. "Unable is the operative word here. Any and everyone who is able to provide for himself, should be made to do so.

  • to Anonymous | 9:12 a.m.
    March 11, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    Heaven forbid we try to solve our own problems.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Do the posters above realize that VA stands for Virginia, not the VA hospital?

    I think I would call that an epic fail.

  • Over-reaction legislation
    March 11, 2010 10:40 a.m.

    It is simple. We can make adjustments, impose more regulations and take care of the poor and needy without a complete rehaul of everyone's health care.
    But we are talking about over 300 million people.
    This is not about compassion, it is about an ideogical power grab.

  • J
    March 11, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    To those of your arguing about the "VA"

    In the article--which you clearly didn't read--VA stands for "Virgina"

  • Utah's Igonorant Choice
    March 11, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    The Utah Legislature usually chooses the path that takes us through the 10th District Court in Denver and a GREAT waste of Utah tax dollars.

    I'd be fine with their choice in this case IF they had a plan for health care reform. But they do not. They have nothing. If they'd take half the effort they put into posturing against the Federal government, and put that effort into reform, they could produce a model for the nation.

    But no... they choose "do nothing".

  • anonymous
    March 11, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    Mr. Hamilton
    Here is my experience during the years I lived in Canada:
    1. Neighbor died because he had to wait two months for heart surgery.
    2. Visited Edmonton Hospital many times where it was necessary to have to squeeze around the emergency patients laying on gurneys in the hallways due to insufficient government paid staff to help them.
    3. Doctors appointments were weeks away because no one wants to be a overworked, underpaid doctor in Canada.
    With all due respect to you and our friends in Canada, thousands of whom come to the U.S. for immediate and qualified health care, please don't compare our health care to the government mess created in Canada's Health care.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    Dear Mr. Hamilton of Canada,
    I lived in Canada for several years. The man in the apartment next to mine died because the Hospital couldn't deal with his heart condition for two months due to the huge overload of patients. I visited that Hospital in Edmonton where I had to squeeze past dozens of patients laying on gurneys in the hallways because the Hospital was overloaded. The doctors are few and far between. Many qualified persons choose other ocupations due to the poor wages in the Medical profession. Please do not try to justify Canada's socialized, government supported medical care by telling us what a wonderful system it is. Thousands of Canadians come here each year to receive immediate and qualified care. With all due respect for you and our many great friends in Canada, pull your head out of the sand.

  • Opt out of medicare?
    March 11, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    Can I really refuse to pay my medicare taxes and not go to prison?? I would do it in a second. Are you just joking, 8:23am, or do you really know a way to legally do this?

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    Do any of you Obamacare supporters REALLY think the govt. will solve your problems?

    Private corporations sure haven't.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    Do any of you Obamacare supporters REALLY think the govt. will solve your problems? I can't believe you do, unless you've not lived in this country long enough to know better.

  • George Hamilton
    March 11, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    I am happy I live in Canada. We are blessed to have a public health care system. It is not perfect and can be improved upon, but it has served me and others I know well. Health care should not be under big business control. Governments have an important role when it comes to heath care- to make sure everyone is covered and gets the best care.

  • re: oldman
    March 11, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    At least with a private corporation I can appeal a bad decision through the legal system. Under Obmacare the governement controls both the process and the appeal
    I'll take my chances with a corporation

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    ...but Veterans Benifitis are PAID for by the federal goverment.
    And the VA is against goverment funding for healthcare to the...general public?

    Epic fail.

  • Adam
    March 11, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    Follow the Bouncing Ball...
    The main purpose of this anti-Obamacare bill is to send a message to Congress and the President that this health care bill is not wanted. Polls giving Obamacare very low approval have been ignored by the Democratic leadership in the Congress and White House. Recdently lost elections by Democrats have been ignored (Virginia, New Jersey, and Mass.). This is another attempt to deliver a message to apparently deaf ears.

    By the way, NO government gives us anything that they have not ALREADY taken from us. There is NO tooth fairy. Government spending, especially on the Federal level, is taking money from the private sector. This is why we are still in a recession. As long as they keep this up unemployment will remain high. High unemployment is not an act of kindness, especially to the unemployed. This is a classic example of the law of unintended economic consequences. It unmasks the basic "unkindness" of the big spending democrats towards working people. Their ultimate game plan is power over others.

  • To 7:43
    March 11, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    You can opt out of Social Security, just don't pay your SS taxes. And when you retire don't ask for a penny. You can opt out of medicare too, don't pay your taxes, and when you are 78 years old and need a new colon put in you can pay your health insurance to cover you. I bet they may tell you you they won't cover your sorry colon.

    I'm sure you are one of those people that will pay all the taxes in the world as long as it goes to defense. But for anything else your purse is empty.

  • JD
    March 11, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    Who are these states going to impress with their legislation?

    Many years ago some states thought they knew better than the fed. If every state wanted to revolt how would that benefit the country?

    Utah by letting over 2000 people go bankrupt due to healthcare expenses last year has proven they cannot take care of their own despite saying they do take care of their own.

    Instead of taking steps to fix the problems (40% waste in current healthcare system, broken homes and families, jobs and homes lost) Utah spends countless hours showing the country how legally opposed they are to somebody else fixing their problems.

    In elementary school you learned to put up your hand if you don't know the answer, perhaps the lawmakers in this state should return to elemenatary school.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    But...VA IS goverment healthcare.


  • Re: follow the bouncing ball
    March 11, 2010 8:05 a.m.

    Thank you for enlightening us, oh great and wise sensei.

  • @ Oldman
    March 11, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    At least with corporations we have a choice. We can opt out of their plans. When was the last time you tried to opt out of a Federal program like Social Security.

  • follow the bouncing ball
    March 11, 2010 6:50 a.m.

    Let's pretend for a moment that some states pass this silly legislation. Done deal. Applause. Yippee.

    Fed. leg. passes and if the states don't want the money for their people, they don't get it. The other states take the money and provide health care, etc., for their people.

    Hmmmmmmmm. Let's see what will happen next... ok, class... my prediction is that... states will rediscover how to get money from the fed. govt. to pay insurance bills that the state's citizens have to pay. And they will rail against the feds, rail against the communism, rail against big brother, rail against bureaucrats, rail against...

    and then sneakily pass leg. undoing the idiotic things they are doing now. Vote will probably be in middle of the night, somewhere in 2011 or early 2012. Stupid states will continue to lose out on the fed. help until 2014, Utah being among them.

    And that is how it is going to go.

  • oldman
    March 11, 2010 6:23 a.m.

    Do nothing. Let the corporations gut the system. Good luck.

  • oldman
    March 11, 2010 6:21 a.m.

    Yup. Let the corporations continue to gut America. Do nothing. Good luck.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2010 5:47 a.m.

    "Utah and 33 other state legislatures have either passed, filed or proposed similar measures – statutes or constitutional amendments – rejecting health insurance mandates".

    It is so blatantly obvious by the huge support against ObamaCare, that it must be defeated! The fact that a large number of Democrats are also against it, speaks volumes.

    If there was a law requiring that congress have the same coverage as the people, wouldn't that be interesting - you can bet that the plan before us would be much different, and all of congress would insist that they be given the opportunity to read it BEFORE voting on it.

    When Pelosi told the people that they'd like ObamaCare and that they should support it, she couldn't even repsond to questions posed to her, because she said she hadn't even read it. And California voted her in? You can't fix STUPID, but you can sure as heck vote it out!

  • We must learn....
    March 10, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    to take care of ourselves, eat plain and raw foods, and supplement with vitamins, herbs, and minerals. We can avoid much cancer and degerative desease by taking control of our own health. We must also open the practice of health care to other trained and qualified people other than those who control our medicine, the ACS, AMA, the FDA, Big Pharma, etc.
    We need to fight to open up the field to others who bring no harm, and do much good. And, they should quit calling their competition, "quacks", while they sit on Pride Rock. I find using the internet and reading up on things helps me treat myself and save a lot of money. Diet is a huge factor in health care and fighting cancer and other desease.