BYU basketball: 'Big' question: Chris Miles or Brandon Davies?

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  • Idahoan
    March 9, 2010 8:19 p.m.

    For those suggesting sitting Haws at the end of the game against New Mexico, who's been clutch on free throws lately? Haws. I don't know Abouo's percentage, but I know Haws is dependable on free throws. Isn't that important at the end of games?

  • BlueBoy
    March 9, 2010 5:14 p.m.

    Nice to see a little "competition" between the two big men. Maybe it'll help them to be totally focused when they play.

    BYU will need big men to step up when NCAA tournament time comes.

    I wonder how many posters second-guessing Coach Rose's line-ups would have won this many games with this team this year? None, I'll bet.

  • Davies & Abouo
    March 9, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    I think if Coach Rose had to do the NM game again he would have left Abouo in place of Haws. Haws appears to have hit the wall and is not making the clutch shots he made earlier in the season. Abouo plays better defense, rebounds better, and his offensive game improves the longer he plays. Miles is a good situational player that defends well. He is particularly useful against good post players (see UTEP game), but Davies should get the majority of minutes game in and game out.

  • re: Michael S.
    March 9, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    Fredette, Haws, Emery, Hartsock and Miles will be BYU's starting line-up and the Cougars will blow past their first-round opponent.

    The only one who's delusional is you thinking that you're a better coach than Dave Rose.

  • Michael S.
    March 9, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    Rose will probably need to play them together if the team is to advance in the NCAA tournament. BYU was badly outrebounded by Texas A&M last year even though the Aggies played a small line-up. I see the same problem this year--Tavernari and Hartsock could really struggle to keep up with more athletic players. Rose has played his most "developed" players, but I'm glad to see that he is developing the players with the potential to make BYU a contender against elite teams. Let's not delude ourselves. The MWC is not among the best basketball conferences. If the starting/primary line-up is Fredette, Haws, Emery, Hartsock and Miles, expect another early exit. We need to see more of Loyd and Davies, and probably Abuou.

  • blueman
    March 9, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Miles are you kidding me? He is horrible the only reason he has a d-1 scolarship he is 6ft.11. and he can run down the court without falling down. Rose if you have a brain you play Davies at least 25 minutes a game minimum and hope he doesnt get in foul trouble. He deserves to start. I also would play loyd alot at two guard so he is in the lineup with fredette at the same time. Abouo has come to the front also, he deserves some time. This must happen or they will not go very far in the tournament. I feel Rose blew the New Mexico game by takeing Davies, and Abouo out at the 4 minute mark. As you recall we had a 5 point lead and the ball, after that it was all down hill.

  • Now!
    March 9, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    Good to hear that Miles is ready to play/go now! Are you kidding me. Your offense has been non-existent for all but about 2 games this year. Davies has earned the starting job and Miles can have 15 minutes per game giving Davies a spell. The choice isn't even close.

  • MJB
    March 9, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    The thing that irritates me the most about Miles, is that when he receives a pass in low, he always bobbles it. He has lost more passes than anyone else on the team. He does not have good hands!

  • Starters
    March 9, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    Fredette, Haws, Emery, Hartsock and Miles

    2nd Team

    Loyd, Davies, Abouo, Tavernari, and Morgan (if healthy)

    Despite all of the advice from the wannabe coaches, Coach Rose knows his players better than any of them. He watches them daily in practice. He knows who is doing well. He knows who is struggling, and how.

    It's a great dilemma for a coach to have a 2nd string that's as talented and deep as BYU has. Trust Coach Rose to use the varied talents of his players in the most productive way.

    Matchups and game situations change rapidly even throughout the course of a single game, so saying this player or that player should be starting is a clueless simplification of how to most effectively utilize players.


    You don't go changing your starting lineup this late in the season unless there's a very compelling reason.

    The starters are set, but how much playing time each gets will depend on game-specific situations.

    Two quick early fouls on any player can change any game plan in a hurry.

    Just enjoy the ride and let Coach Rose do the driving.

  • Al
    March 9, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Here is a solution: Have Davies start instead of Hartsock. There, problem solved.

  • Play both?
    March 9, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    It would be great if we could play both on the court together. But since Miles does not have any sort of jumpshot, his defender could double the guy guarding Davies and would not be a successful strategy.

    Miles = Mark Eaton
    Davies = Carlos Boozer

  • Intimidation
    March 9, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    Miles intimidates on defense. You can see it in the opponents missing their shots when he's in their face.

  • Davies/Miles
    March 9, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    Miles is by far the better low post defender and it is not even close. Miles rebounds and is very physical in the paint. Davies is getting better every game and has some brillent low post moves. Davies has also improved his defense and offense as the year has gone on. It is very clear that Davies is playing better of the two right now and gives the Y an inside outside game. Both players will be huge if the cougars are to advance in either tourney.

  • Karate Miles
    March 9, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Anyone who can kick Andrew Bogut in the back should have the starting spot.

  • Adjustments
    March 9, 2010 9:19 a.m.

    Rose is making great ingame adjustments by sitting both Miles and Haws. The best thing Miles can do to help his team win is not play. Haws has lost his confidence and it shows by his performance in every aspect of the game. The more minutes Miles and Haws don't play the better the team is.

  • Good idea
    March 9, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    Leaving the coaching to Rose -- what a novel idea. The man -- and his staff -- is terrific at coaching and recruiting and handling the mission thing, so let's just support him and the boys.
    Minnesota Cougar gets it. Mike is a great change of pace, but Jimmer is the real deal. And they have been on the court att he same time in several games.

  • Minnesota Cougar
    March 9, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    Fredette is a much better player than Loyd, even though Loyd had a couple good games recently. Loyd does not distribute the ball as well as Fredette, and, I think, he is a ball hog who changes the team balance when is in the game.

  • Nice to have both
    March 9, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    If used right they complement each other. Much better than uthaha's two 7 foot misfits!

  • ?
    March 9, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    Not sure what Miles Davis - an American trumpeter, bandleader, and composer has to do with basketball. Whatever...

  • just me
    March 9, 2010 7:58 a.m.

    Davies will get eaten alive by the bigs for Kansas and Kentucky and Duke. Yes, he is better on offence but as a man to man low post defender Miles is one of the best in the country. alot of it will come down to match-ups and what is needed at any given time of the game. there is more to this game than scoring. Just ask the college and pro teams that thought all you have to do is score 120 points a game. it's fun to watch and you do win some games but you don't win championships.

  • Louisiana Cougar
    March 9, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    What a relief to have the bigs playing better. Their play in Las Vegas and in the NCAA Tournament will be critical for BYU.

    I have a lot of respect for Miles. Davies will have an outstanding career if he keeps working hard. I like Hartsock's effort too.

    We need to recruit more bigs, but we keep bringing in wing players. Davies and Hartsock will be critical to the success of next year's team.

  • Own Admission
    March 9, 2010 7:13 a.m.

    Davies said he was lazy at times and didn't practice hard enough and didn't pick up on things, that is why he sat so much.

  • Defense
    March 9, 2010 6:50 a.m.

    Yes, Davies can score. But can he guard anyone? Nope. There in lies the dilemma.

  • Davies
    March 9, 2010 5:44 a.m.

    Miles has been a big disappointment. I thought he would develop into a 8+ points and 8+ rebounds per game player at BYU. We need a guy down low who can score so we can compete with the top 10 teams in the country. Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, etc. all have good big men and that is why they are in the top 10 consistently.
    Davies is just better. I would give Davies about 20 minutes and Miles about 10 minutes. I don't know how much Miles is to blame versus the BYU coaching staff. Rose's staff has a reputation for not developing big men. Plaisted was awful down low and so is Miles.

  • another ?
    March 9, 2010 4:32 a.m.

    another big question in my mind . . . how do you not start Lloyd? wow!

  • re: long time ago
    March 9, 2010 4:31 a.m.

    apparently you have a selective memory . . . Davies did play and his numbers weren't as good as Miles until last few games

  • Too Many Fouls
    March 9, 2010 1:41 a.m.

    Re: Long time ago
    Davies has averaged only 12 minutes a game, but has committed the highest number of fouls on the team, even with him missing some games. Emery and Davies each have 77 personal fouls on the year. Emery with nearly 900 minutes and Davies with under 400 minutes. Perhaps you should leave the coaching to Rose?

  • Long time ago
    March 8, 2010 11:57 p.m.

    Davies could have done this a long time ago if Rose would have let him play when he was doing well instead of pulling him and making him sit the rest of the game.

  • Davies
    March 8, 2010 11:38 p.m.

    Davies for sure. Miles is TERRIBLE. MIles is not a low post threat at all to do anything. He has no jumper and for a tall guy he has a tough time rebounding the ball. Davies is a low post threat he has good post moves he blocks shots and defends better. It is a no brainer Davies has got to be the starter for BYU to have a low post presence.

  • Athleticism Central
    March 8, 2010 11:35 p.m.


  • Something smells fishy
    March 8, 2010 10:33 p.m.

    When the pairings are just announced and they include a blurb that they were set long ago, it doesn't sound very truthful.