Utah Legislature: Controversial no-smoking measure passes House committee

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  • @Jenny
    March 4, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    Take a look at the Oral Cancer Foundation's website. They list all the relevant demographic data about smokers in the USA including links to their data sets.

    Smoking is MUCH more prevalent among the poor and uneducated. These are the two largest factors in predicting smoking. The next largest is race but the correlation is much weaker than income and education. The organization's website even allows you to look at the regression analysis used to determine the correlation. If you know anything about statistics you could easily see how much each coefficient affects the outcome of the regression.

    Their data show that smoking among college educated people making more than $80,000 a year has dropped to just 7%, the lowest of ANY demographic. People with only a high school education have a smoking rate of 34%!!

    I found that information in less than 30 seconds using a widely used search engine. I'm an idiot?

  • To Jenny- 6:43 a.m.
    March 4, 2010 8:09 a.m.

    That's the problem, I've been around far too many people who smoke to believe that many of them have common sense/decency to take into consideration any affects they may be having on people around them when they smoke. Most lack common sense/decency.

    And no, it is not and should not be their choice alone to poison their children with their nicotine and carcinogen-filled air particles. Children need to be protected from adults who lack the ability to think through what harm they are causing innocent children, regardless of if these children are their own. They simply don't have the right.

    Besides, if smokers had an ounce of common sense, they wouldn't choose to poison themselves much less anyone else.

  • Jenny
    March 4, 2010 6:43 a.m.

    Let me see, they don't want Federal Government in our lives but they the local yocals want to push their ways into our lives. I'm not a smoker but anyone with common sense/decency should could consider what they are doing to their children but there again the choice is theirs alone. To the idiot that states smokers tend to be poor, prove that -- people of all walks of life smoke

  • Dan Henderson
    March 3, 2010 4:06 p.m.

    This is why Im switching to those new Crown7 electric cigarettes!

  • re: why punish smokers
    March 3, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    Why is it that when smokers are confronted with their egotistical behavior their first response is to try and switch the blame to fat people?
    It is a baseless argument?
    Just because you can not taste food anymore, is no reason to try and take it out on the rest of us.
    I have no problem if they taxed junk food, a better idea however would be to simply stop subsidizing sugar.
    The difference is that by taxing junk food, people will be less likely to buy it and consumption will go down.
    When it comes to tobacco, you could tax it into the sky, and smokers will keep buying it.
    Food is required to live.
    Tobacco has no health benefit whatsoever.
    Smokers also tend to be poor, and more likely dependant on public assistance.
    Many people are bothered with giving smokers food stamps, and then having the smokers turn around and spend money on tobacco.
    Stop smoking in the car with your kids your killing them!

  • Why punish smokers?
    March 3, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    Obesity is a bigger problem in Utah than smoking is. Tax all junk food and fast food instead of cigarettes which are already over taxed. Ticket all parents who eat 4,000 calories a day in front of their kids. Kids watch their parents eat junk food all day long and the kid eats it too. Just like smoking, Kids don't have a choice what food is stocked in the Kitchen and so must suffer for their parents bad habits. Obesity is what is lowering AMericans life-expectancy - not smoking.
    For you Mormons- Obesity is just as big a sin as smoking is. The Word of Wisdom says all things should be consumed in moderation. Well if you're obese you have not followed that at all.

  • stinky pete
    March 3, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    Smokers just do not get it, tobacco kills.
    Tobacco smoke is offensive.
    If you do not understand, then light off a smoke bomb in your car.
    Does it stink? is it hard to breath?
    How about the fact that smokers make their kids stink.
    Then the kids have to go to school, and smell bad around all of the other children.
    It is a very cruel thing to do to a child.

  • Smoke Party
    March 3, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    We need to have a Smoke Party like the AMerican Revolutionaries did with Tea. All smokers of Utah unite and lets break into every store and throw all cigarettes into the Great Salt Lake. If they want to tax us- then let's destroy their money making tax. Buy your cigarettes from other states.

  • RE: uncannygunman | 10:46 p.m.
    March 3, 2010 12:23 p.m.

    Don't let the facts bother you buddy! Smoke up!

    Just don't ever blow smoke in my direction or you'll know what hysteria means!

  • Catherine
    March 3, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Let smokers smoke as much as they want- all the live-long day for all I care. But when their right to smoke affects someone else's ability to breathe clean air and forces someone else to walk amongst their cigarette butts littering sidewalks, lawns and streets, or to have to keep their own apartment windows closed because someone is smoking outside, that's where it needs to stop.

    This law is here to protect those of us who wish not to be affected by someone else's unhealthy habits- in particular, children in a closed vehicle who don't really have a choice whether to get in a car with a smoking adult who obviously lacks the ability to make wise decisions on their own.

    Go smoke like a chimney but leave everyone else out of your plumes of death and YOUR decision to poison and slowly kill yourself.

  • uncannygunman
    March 2, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    More second-hand smoke hysteria.

  • Re: cbird | 4:40 p.m
    March 2, 2010 9:06 p.m.

    As if prison is the only punishment in our justice system. Seriously, a little thinking would do you some good. How in the world could anyone defend smoking around kids?

  • cbird
    March 2, 2010 4:40 p.m.

    @ Jess: Sure like we have plenty of room in our jails and prisons. GET A LIFE!

  • Davis
    March 2, 2010 4:39 p.m.

    It is CHILD ABUSE. The kids have no choice, none at all. Smoking is legal but poisoning kids with otherwise legal substances is still criminal and needs to be stopped. Many of my family members smoked while I was growing up and I still suffer the medical consequences of the poisons 40+ years later. I never visit them, not even for their funerals. Why stand or sit in a group of smokers to 'honor' them. If they can't quit while the health of those around them is effected they really don't care about their family and friends.

  • Jess
    March 2, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    Smokers DO have a right to smoke. Tobacco isn't illegal and neither should it be. Liberty is a key part of American culture.

    That said, your right to smoke ends at my nose. Liberty has limits. I love hard rock music. Music has never killed anyone but still I'm not allowed to play my favorite Scorpions CD loudly anywhere I like. Why? Because society has deemed it better to restrict my freedom in the name of a greater societal good; namely, the right to reasonable peace and quiet. Similarly, I have the right to expect fresh air and not be burdened by the putrid smell of smoke. I'm not even considering that it may in fact be dangerous to me. The debate about small doses of second hand smoke isn't settled. I don't care. It stinks and isn't a bit less annoying to society than my loud music.

    As for kids in cars or closed rooms - no debate there. High concentrations of fine particles in cigarette smoke are dangerous to children. It is child abuse no matter what anyone says. No new law is needed. Just enforce the existing child abuse laws. Arrest them!

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    If Utah is a state with the fewest smokers how will they collect the amount of money they need to make up the budget shortfall?

  • Geniuses
    March 2, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    Utah Legislature: Businesses urged to welcome guns.
    So now we're encouraging people to take your gun to work or the grocery store,
    bank, anyone?
    And we're excited to be able to brandish our guns as a show of force or whenever we like. MLK/Browning Day?
    But don't you dare smoke in Your car with Your children cause thats dangerous

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    Is this about health or about mormons having a problem with everything the rest of the world does and trying to control it?

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    Whatever happened to "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Why not just let people live their lives the way they want to. Most smokers know the risk when they start and do it anyway so why should they be forced to quit either because they can't afford it or people "don't agree". To each his or her own!!!

  • cbird
    March 2, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    Take away Gayle's kids, they will probably thank you. I would hate to see what they are like as adults, they probably get beat up at school all the time as well. Gayle! Stay home where you belong.

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 2:55 p.m.

    You know it's funny. When we were kids our parents smoked. They smoked at the dining room table, in the living room even in the car where we would be lucky if they cracked a window. Very rarley did you hear the word cancer and respertory disease's were far less then they are now. Why don't they quit worring about the smokers and try to enforce children going outside to play, running, jumping oh and maybe make it a law that you can only take your kids for fast food once a month. I mean if they are going to interfere with a parents rights, why not really make parents be parents. Cook for your family,make kids play outdoors, We would have a lot less sick and over weight kids. I am not a smoker but let people be responsible for their own kids. It's the smokers fault that the state needs to make up money??? lets be real here! Utah has the lowest tabacco use rates in the country,nonsmoking Housing & apartments alike are everywhere. And kids under 8 what about over 8 they don't care about them?

  • Unknown
    March 2, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    I can not believe this! I don't know anyone personally who smokes with their kids in the car in the first place. But ultimately it is a parents decision. If this passes, what other rights will they try & take from parents??? They need to let parents be the parents and but out where they do not belong!!!

  • Libertarian
    March 2, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    I am a Libertarian - for the most part. I believe that the only laws that should be in affect are those that protect the safety of a country's citizens and their freedom to live the life of their choosing.

    However, forcing a child to sit in a car filled with toxic chemicals is seriously infringing on that child's right to have a healthy life.

    Normally, my reaction is to tell the government to butt-out! Oddly, in this situation, I think they got it right.

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 2:19 p.m.

    So much for freedom...and Obama is a marxist?!!

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    Thousands of children spend countless hours marinating in the toxins of second-hand smoke that wafts in from neighboring apartments or lingers from the previous tenant. Provo may be the only place in the world where you can even find a non-smoking apartment. Most families who care about their children's health have no place to go.

    A law that would require a significant separation of smoking and non-smoking housing units would, I believe, benefit far more children and would give families who care about their children the option of a smoke-free environment.

  • Sterling
    March 2, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    Totally unenforceable - BUT GO AHEAD with "nanny state" politics!

    Do any of the legislators ever call a highway patrol trooper to ask them if it can be enforced?

  • Cigarettes are safe!
    March 2, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    They must be scientist from the tobacco industry said so.
    The infinite wisdom of the Utah Legislature...Ban the EPA
    from testing the Air or lack of it, but pass indoor clean air laws

  • Anonymous
    March 2, 2010 1:57 p.m.

    So, we can't smoke in a car with a child, but Utah continues to have more and more 'red' haze days?

  • circe
    March 2, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    I like this law... but it scares me.

    If the Government has the right to tell you that you can't smoke in the car with your children... what else can they dictate between you and your children?