“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to
shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till
she transforms us into beasts... For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may
cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide
for it.” (Patrick Henry) We can Shut our eyes against the painful truth
that the federal government is spending, or has already spent, our future and
that our our children's children and go back to sleep indulging the illusions of
hope that all will be well, or we can rise to our pioneer heritage and preserve
and invest in a legacy of liberty for our posterity. Of course, American Idol
may be easier and more "fun".
--"But the rewards of going after that land are in the billions and billions. I
am not a gambling man, but if someone were to say I could put a quarter in a
machine and had a chance to get a billion dollars, I would put that quarter
in."If only it was going to cost a quarter!Interesting
how these "fiscally conservative" legislators are so against federal government
spending yet so willing to gamble state government money at a time of deep
The ideas presented certainly don't represent the way I think!Maybe
instead of paying $3million for lawyers. they would take it for noting just
because they believe in the cause and ability to win. There are some that
advertise on TV that if they don't win the case you don't owe them anything (of
course there is a certain common sense screening before they will accept that
deal.)Our legislature is just succeeding in making more enemies. I
was in Phoenix yesterday and 2 people knowing i was from Utah asked "What kind
of 'nuts' do you have in your legislature?" I think there are better
ways to spend our time, let alone our money on things that are not likely to be
successful.NOW AN HONEST QUESTION - Are there any of you who would
personally be willing to put up the bucks to pursue this. If so, please post
your correct name and phone number and I will drop it off at the Governor's
Bob Kjar | 8:13 a.m. Feb. 24, 2010"Cudos to the State of Utah
for standing up for its sovereignty. We here in Texas are doing the same thing.
"We must constantly remind the federal government that we are
independent nations joined together by a constitution that they continue to
violate."Utah was not a nation before it became a state and
therefore can't claim nationhood like Delaware, and other states who ratified
the U.S. Constitution as independent states after their revolt against the
British Republic.It was the territory and property of the U.S. If
Utah wants to argue that it wants to go back to before it became a territory of
the United States we can give it back to Mexico or if they don't want that we
can let them go back to being a territory but either way the United States and
every other state does not have to allow Utah to think that it can steal their
lands and if Utah tries it then every other state has the right to use force to
invade Utah and take back what is rightefully theirs. Do you want that Utah?
These bills are tantamount to sweeping up millions of dollars of taxpayers'
money into a big pile, dousing it with gasoline and tossing in a match. If
these clowns want to launch an expensive and fruitless legal challenge or a
political movement, fine, but let them do it with their own money.We
elected these guys to govern, not to put on a right-wing dog-and-pony show at
our expense. Whatever happens to fiscal responsibility??
Why is it that the legislation never considered this during the 8 years a
Republican was in office? Doing this now when we clearly cant afford too is only
to make a point to our Democrat President! Sore Loosers!!!!!!
Is Lee going to represent the state; if so does he get paid; win or loose?
Utah's legislature seems to forget that even if it could give itself the power
to condemn federal land (highly unlikely, even according to the legislature's
own attorneys), both the Utah and United States Constitutions require that just
compensation be paid when a condemning authority takes property under eminent
domain. The same legislature that claims that the land is worth billions (for
natural resource development potential) seem to ignore the fact that it would
have to pay fair market value to the federal government to condemn that
"priceless" land. From what source? Why, us taxpayers, of course, the same
people the legislature promises to protect from tax increases. Go figure. At
least it would help reduce the federal deficit.
Hey, Bob, thanks for showing us that Utah isn't the only state with right-wing
wackos. So you think the states are "independent nations"? Where does that
come from? Maybe that's how Texas views itself, but sad to say, the states are
not independent nations in any sense. Read the Constitution.
So, basically we're funding Mike Lee's Senate campaign with funds meant for
school children. That's all these message bills are, red meat campaign fodder
Virtue is on their side, but I'll be surprised if they can prevail in court.However, it's great to see our state standing up to the federal
government. It's the Sagebrush Rebellion all over again and is very much in
keeping with the reawakening in our country to fight for our constitution, our
sovereignty and our rights. I wish them well...THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF GUTS.
Mathis: "It is time we put our money where our mouth is and do it."But it's not your money, is it?
Even Mike Lee admits the lawsuit is a long shot. I'm for more money for
education; I'm against paying $3 million to lawyers for a case they are very
likely to lose. This seems like playground antics: "we're going to show you
how tough we are, federal government."
So, our schools are suffering and you want to take money that has been set aside
for them and spend it on this ridiculous fight? Here is something to consider.
When the federal government sets aside land for a park, it means it will attract
tourists which, if I'm not mistaken, boosts the state's tourist economy. The
rural areas close to our national parks and monuments (like the area I'm from)
really benefit from the tourism. Why don't our politicians just suggest that we
cede from the union now. I'm personally shocked that Buttars hasn't suggested
Cudos to the State of Utah for standing up for its sovereignty. We here in
Texas are doing the same thing. We must constantly remind the federal
government that we are independent nations joined together by a constitution
that they continue to violate.
This land access issue is the main reason that Utah is at the bottem in school
funding. Why are all you dems against money for educating our children? Or are
you all just ignorant to how the world works?
Finally someone is standing up and not letting the Federal Government keep
taking from Utah. We should be able to do what we want with OUR land. I'm a
HUGE fan of getting use and tax dollars from what is rightly ours. Let what we
have in the state start benefitting the state.
I only have one question. What will the state use for funding to replace the
PILT money. The federal government pays a Payment In Lieu of Taxes for every
acre of this land. That money goes to the counties. Will the state make up for
that lost revenue? Or is this another example of legislative hot air?
So will you reject all federal MONEY as well? Be honest and consistent. These
people sicken me. You want more and more money, then bite the hand that feeds
you. Utah has its hands out and wants more and more. Such hypocrisy.
I wish Utah well in this endeavor. I am tired of seeing every U. S. President
"setting aside" tens of thousands of acres for a "Federal Park". Utah has been
the recipient of such lunacy under the buffoon Clinton administrtation. What is
really needed is a constitutional amendment that limits all governments to say,
ten percent of the U. S. landmass. The rest would be available to the citizenry
to use for whatever purpose would add to the U. S. economy. Land in government
hands is essentially useless unless one likes to look at it. However, as it now
appears, all land masses will be under the ownership of the U. S. and other
state and local governments by the end of this century. I believe it is called
Send the legal bill to the repubicans, they want to pay for it.
what a waste of time and money. Any leg. who spends any time on this should be
thrown out of office.We are a federal system, not a state system.
But it plays well to the dumb choir, huh.
Another political manuever from Conservatives to waste tax payers dollars to
fund their time in office with little value for the common man and common
needs.Show somwe inititive and look what your wahts really
needed...jobs,mortgage assistance, health care..for a start...fighting over who
owns what is just fanciful time wasting.