Melba, that's impossible, since the Ogden Temple was dedicated in 1972 and
President McKay died in 1970---unless you saw him in another way! Could you be
thinking of President Joseph Fielding Smith? That's who was the President of
the Church. I was present, and that's who was there!
Gee, the SLC Temple looks dated, let's update it. Come on, where is the
Historical Society of Ogden? How fun would it be to fight The Church! That wacky
architecture is part of history and should be preserved and honored.
Sophisticated societies have learned to embrace their history. Many of the
Temples are amazing snapshots of the historical architecture of the era they
were constructed in and we shouldn't lose that history.
Fremont high school basketball is takin down syracuse tonight to claim the
region 1 title! go wolves!
I feel bad that the Temple in Ogden will be remodeled.Please don't let
this be the beginning of destroying our other Temples.
Sorry my original comment was deemed unfit. It was sincere. I'll try another
way to express my feelings.I am very against the teardown of the Ogden
Temple. Fixing it up, yes, but tearing down is an insult to all of us who
believed inspiration was there the first time. I don't care for the looks
either, but I respect those who built it and the decisions our general
authorities made at the time. I am over sixty years old, and I need a new look
too! We are worldly in more ways than one!
We, the average Ward members, are taught to conserve and be frugle, and not to
bend to the ways of the world. Why can't our tithing money be put to better use
in making the world better. No wonder the plastic surgeous are doing so great
in Utah. Is only "new" and flawless acceptable?
Why do the anti mormons have such hate for an organization that does so much
good around the world? Is it perhaps jealousy that fuels the ire?True christians look for the good in others and work to unitedly offer
goodwill and relief to the downtrodden. The LDS church certainly does not fall
short in this area. The fact that they spend so much time, effort,
and money helping the poor and needy around the world, while still having the
ability to build beautiful places of worship, is a testament to their
resourcefulness and true christian spirit.I applaud the LDS church
and the LDS people for the example they set for the rest of us.I
offer a sincere thank you.
How many of you remember when the SLC temple was 'modernized'? The first time I
attended there, we went in up the stairs and through those beautiful front
doors. Times change and buildings sometime have to be give a 'makeover' to meet
those changes. A temple is a temple. A stake house is not a temple,
So many rich blessings for those ogdeners.
I'm always interested to see how mere mortals expound on what God or Jesus
will/won't do and/or how they feel/what they think about the doings of mankind.
So interesting to read how some seem to know the mind and will of God.
I suppose you missed the line about the $1.5M the church just donated to the
homeless shelter. Did your idol stores such as Best Buy, Lowe's, Costco, or any
other places you frequent on Sundays do the same for Ogden?
I'm sure God will be very impressed that Mormons spend millions upon millions
with brick and mortar while people go hungry in the community. I hope there are
no tables in the new temple as Christ would certainly overthrow it for the
misguided expenditures by Mormon Pharisees.
I doubt most of the people gripping about how the temple remodel is a waste of
money even read the article. The article said the Church recently gave a $1.5
million donation to the Ogden Homeless Shelter. While this might not be a huge
amount of money, it is a good sized amount. The fact is that the
operations of DI and the welfare program though the bishop's storehouses are not
part of the disaster aid reported in the humanitarian aid reports. The church
does a lot more helping of the poor and downtrodden than just what is counted in
the humanitarian aid reports. Of course we could do more. However the
primary purpose of the Church is to share the gospel and perform ordinances.
Temples are NEEDED to do the later. They are essential, not optional. You can
denounce it, but you have to judge our actions based on our beliefs, and our
beliefs are that temples are of the greatest worth.
I've been away from Utah for a long time, and I guess I'm a little surprised
that Ogden would rate this kind of an upgrade.However, I am very
pleased to see the beautiful grounds in the artists concept and the beautiful
new face of the Temple. It's really a beautiful update!
To Nyer, While you may be right that the location of the Manhattan
Temple is not currently a stake center, it used to be the stake center.
However, the temple and the Church building are just "under the same roof" they
are totally district and different spaces, temple space is not "transfered" to
be Church space at any point, they are clearly distinct spaces. Here in
Michigan the Detroit Temple shares the parking lot with our stake center, and
they added 0 new parking spaces when they built the temple. Temples and
church buildings can share parking lots, they can even be buit on the same plot
of land, one on top of the other, but the temple must be a seperate and distinct
palce from the Church building, and must be permanently set aside as such.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put
away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted,
forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
(Eph 4:31-32)If you're sincerely a "true Christian", I hope you'll
reflect on Paul's admonition to the Ephesians and then move on. Leave the LDS
Church alone to decide how it best utilize its own resources.
Downtowns need monetary commitments, and inner cities need jobs. I am
reminded that Birgham Young said he would rather pay people to build ditches and
then fill them in than to give them money for nothing. That said, could
the DN please remove all comments that are just posted to cause debate and
contention. Many of these comments are clearly written to be offense and so in
violation of the stated comment board policies. Another rule should be that any
comment expressing anger towards the moderation process should be removed as
misrepresentative, because these people do not try to grasp that this is a
priate domain of the Deseret News and those of us who comment do so on their
So, what's your response to the millions that the LDS Church just donated to the
Ogden Homeless shelter? Just wondering . . . J
I'll respond! Pouring money into the city of Ogden by way of
construction/refurbishment is exactly what needs to be done. This will give
people jobs. Jobs provide money. Money provides food and shelter and
opportunities for those involved to use their well earned money from this
project to give charitably themselves. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
Renovating the temple is for many purposes. As stated in the article, they are
bringing it up to seismic code. Doing this alone can require the removal and
replacement of the whole foundation, in some instances. Also they are
renovating so as to provide room for more energy-efficient appliances. These
are smart renovations that will pay off in the long run, especially if "the big
one" finally hits the Wasatch Front soon.
What a travesty!!!! Hungry people, sick people, homeless people RIGHT HERE IN
SALT LAKE CITY AND ALL OVER UTAH! A true CHRISTIAN organization would NOT have
temples as a priority in these times.Homeless Shelters VS
templesFood Banks VS templesFree Clinics VS
templesLeft VS rightTrue Christians VS
false worshipersDO NOT reply to this comment. Save your feeble
excuses for Saint Peter.
Isn't this the one that looks like a giant marshmallow, painted gold, with a
giant carrot stuck in the middle for a steeple? I'm pretty sure I'm right on
Doctrine & Covenants 109:24 "We ask thee, Holy Father, to
establish the people that shall worship, and honorably hold a name and standing
in this thy house, to all generations and for eternity."It matters
not if we have a remodeled or original temple. Yes, it is great to have the
Ogden Temple redesigned. The accommodation for a larger temple may be a good
reason for the expansion, and face-lift for it. The new temple will
have an open house and bring many to see it before its dedication. It should
bring new life to the spiritual lives of the community and its
members/non-members alike. It is always a blessing for a community to have its
own temple, as well as missionary work and future converts. Much good will come
of this timely project. It is sure to have had a lot of years in preparation and
consideration in bringing to the forefront at this time. God bless our living
prophets who have given us these temples in our day from the ancient times.
Thank you. The Ogden/Provo temples were dedicated in 1972. I was there for the
Provo dedication in the Marriott Center.
Looks like every other temple built in the last 10 years.
oops..misspelled privilege....please don't post my comment unless corrected.
I'm sure the temple will be much nicer than the old when they have finish this
Grumble grumble grumble.
Yo Annoyed!Billion with a "B"! You're very clever. Now use your
trusty math skills and see how much that comes to spread over the 20+ years and
per member per year.You'll enjoy it!
you say that you would hate to see what the Kirtland Temple would look like if
the Church still owned it, why? Have they done anything drastic to Salt Lake,
Manti, or St. George? Did they not build Nauvoo to the exact dimensions as it
was once before. Then again, if the Church owned Kirtland maybe they would
change it so that we could perform the ordinances there. The Kirtland Temple had
a completely different purpose and function.
So I guess I among the few who think the new design is well boring and cookie
cutter, let's make all the temples look the same. I love the Ogden and Provo
Modern design, it reflects the time of which they were built. I would hate to
see what the Kirtland Temple would look like if the church still owned it.I have always loved the Provo Temple for it's simple design, which
always lead your eyes upwards to wards heaven.
As a child I raised money for when the Jordan River temple was built. I felt it
a privelige at that time and feel it the best money I ever spent!
Dutchman - Wow Great insight.
I think you're confused. I was speculating, admittedly (not being from there),
but certainly wasn't complaining. My point was that it was good all around. It
makes good sense to me: there is a large LDS presence in Southern California
especially in Orange County and it is clear to me they can use another temple
there. With traffic, it is quite a journey to the L.A. Temple from parts of
Orange County. Good for them!
I get very upset when I read that temples are a total waste of money and that
the money should go to the poor. In a recent Church News article it stated that
the Church over the last 25 years has helped out those areas that have been the
worst hit with natural disasters over 1.1 billion dollars (that's billion with a
b). Get over it! If you honestly knew where all the money goes in tithes and
offerings you wouldn't be complaining so much. The temples are NEVER a wast of
In the 1970s the Logan temple was gutted, and only the outside walls remained,
as a totally new and more "efficient" temple was built inside the original
walls. I don't think this would happen today, with all the emphasis on our
pioneer history. I understand that the film made temple work more efficient, but
I believe they could have installed the film in the original rooms, as was done
in the Laie Hawaii and Mesa Arizona temples, and I believe the Idaho Falls
temple. Maybe the Church will consider restoring the interior of the Logan
temple to more or less the way it was. And, while they are at it, they could
find a place to add "The House of the Lord"; although this wasn't on the temple
originally, the Logan temple is the only one I know of that does not say "The
House of the Lord." (Although it says Holiness to the Lord high up on the East
OC Mormon references: Various members of the NPB temple committee, Stake
Presidents and Bishops. Our Stake alone was assessed over $1
million dollars. We were given an ASSESSMENT and therefore, an ACCOUNTING. No
great mystery. No complaints.We were told that the money the Church
might have spent building the Newport Beach Temple, would instead be used to
build temples in other areas. I suppose that some of that savings went to build
more temples in Utah...This has been a great conversation; thanks!
Well, I don't believe that since you're clearly speculating, but for the sake of
argument let's say it's true.You're complaining that members in the
area begged for a temple where the Church apparently had no plans to build one,
and they obliged as long as you paid for it? Where's the unfairness in that?President Hinckley said himself that the reason they build so many
temples in Utah is because the use of them warrants it. When members in other
parts of the world complain about it it reeks of pride & jealousy.
I say again, hooray!!!!
Makes you wonder what is in store for the 13 acres the Church got from Earl
Holding in downtown Salt Lake City. Rather than remake the Salt Lake Temple
which the Church will never do will they just build a new modern one on this 10
acre site plus the 3 acres across the street. With all the new life the Church
is bringing downtown I can see the need for a new temple. Also, the Salt Lake
Temple could then be turned back to its historic interior look of the 1890's.
The new site is located next to a Trax station and has easy on and off to and
from the freeway.
Regarding the Newport Beach Temple, that was a special situation. I don't know
all the details, but my guess is that it was not an "assessment" or "obligation"
per se but that it was rather a "pretty please" request of members of arguably
the wealthiest region of church membership in the country, that these particular
donations were entirely voluntary, and that they had no "temple worthiness"
connotations attached to them whatsoever, unlike regular tithing.
I must say that this is very,very upsetting!!!!!!!! If one day the church wanted
to do this to the Salt Lake Temple many would leave the church and many more
would protest!!!It is plan to see that "men" are in charge here with out
any feelings for the "women". I feel very sad for all the women who have gotten
married in the Ogden Temple and to have this done is not taking people's
feelings in to account.It's bad enough the changes that have taken
place with the Provo Temple------PLEASE Leave The Provo Temple
ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!If you need more space go built another one and
leave the others alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From Elder Holland's conference talk October 2001:"I speak of the
decision made by the Brethren just over a decade ago to cease placing any
special assessments or other fund-raising obligations upon the members of the
Church at home or abroad."The Newport Beach Temple was announced
April 2001. How about backing up that claim, since a Prophet, Seer, & Revelator
told us otherwise?
Yes, all temples are technicallyThe temples are funded (not
technically) by the church
"Where was it ever announced or said that the 16 stakes raises 20 million for
the [Newport Beach] temple?"I have heard this too (but not the
dollar amount), from someone who definitely would know. I doubt that
it was ever announced publicly.
I had the privilege of shaking hands with President David O. McKay at the Ogden
Temple Dedication. I trust my leaders explicitly and don't question their
The first thing I thought when I heard about the remodel was: "I better hurry
and go do some work in the old Ogden temple before it changes forever!"You are very lucky, Ogdenites, I'm so happy for you :)
AWESOME!!! What an exciting thought that Ogden could have a brand new, beautiful
"Ogden Temple Square" where people can go and walk around the grounds like they
do in downtown Salt Lake! I applaud our church leaders for their
insight and I don't think that this is a waste of money at all. The renovation
It is a perfect mix of necessity added with some inspired touch ups and
additions. I can't wait.We need more refuges like this in our big
cities where not just the temple interior, but the exterior can be an escape
from the busy and ugly world. I have fond memories of hanging out and reading
scriptures on the temple grounds of Lake Oswego, Oregon and Bountiful and
Downtown Salt Lake. Thank you!!!
When I read stories like this one I realize we as LDS bring scrutiny on our
Jordan,I actually could respect, for its validity, your criticism of the
homogeny of many LDS buildings if not for your use of that petty little
anti-mormon invective, " LD$ ," with the little dollar sign replacing the "S."
What's the point? You people resent the Church for its fiscal
health and soundness? How petty can you anti-mormons get?
In these dire economic times it's sad to see the church leaders wasting tithing
money on something so totally unnecessary, and all for the sake of appearances.
Why it the most worldly thing the church as done yet!
Where was it ever announced or said that the 16 stakes raises 20 million for the
temple? The Church's finances are kept under strict confidence and very rarely
are construction cost and donations discussed. I have never heard this figure
where did you get it?Reference please....
Ogden and Provo are just evidence that the LDS church was easily influenced by
modern-culture in their temple design during the time.
I stand corrected. Yes, all temples are technically "funded" by the Church.
So, what I should have said was that the $20 million dollars used to
"fund" the Newport Beach Temple came entirely from monetary donations made by
the members of the 16 Stakes in Orange County. Thank you for your
So many judges in the church. You guys don't have to wait until the next life to
be Gods and Goddesses you have already dubbed yourselves as snobby earthly gods.
I can tell you one thing i wont be in any way shape or form in the same place
after this life where the self-righteous dwell. No way in heaven would i be in
the same kingdom with a bunch of fruit loops and goody two shoes, and that's for
certain.If you attend the temple in the same spirit as you blog I
suppose that says a lot about your personal faith and mean spirit.
Just the fact that so many of you think you need a temple to get to heaven
reminds me of the story for the scriptures about the tower of bable.
Re: Klark->I'm glad that you are the judge of my personal worthiness and the
worthiness of all those LDS people that live in the Ogden Temple district. Can I
contact you for my next recommend interview?Re: How Much->I don't recall
the Church divulging how much temples have cost in the past, why would they
start now? It is the Lord's money and the use of that money is carried out
through divine guidance.Re: Dean-> Find me a Stake Center in the Ogden
area that can house the capacity of the Ogden Temple 5 days a week. I currently
attend Church in a Stake Center and there is no room for any additional projects
or activities. The Stake Center/Temple dual use will not work in Utah at this
time. There is too high of a demand for the Temples, which to me is a wonderful
sign.I LOVE the Ogden Temple as is, so I have mixed feelings about the
changes. But...I have faith and a testimony in a living prophet that receives
revelation. This is a wonderful announcement for Ogden.
Good for the Church. I went to the open house at Ogden when I was a kid. I
have been to Provo a couple of times. About time for the re-do,
The LDS church and it's people DO feed the poor...pay attention...Temples feed
the spirit, both types of nourishment are essential...
I am excited about this change. I recently moved to Ogden and love the fact that
a temple is with-in reach. I work in construction and have worked on a few
temples (recently Twin Falls) and can see why they are updating this temple.
They'll re-seismic the building to that it's more eathquake proof. I know for a
fact how out of date the mechanical system is. Updating that with electrical
will not only make this temple just as beautiful, but more energy efficient. I
look foward to possibly working on this temple too.
The construction industry is one that has taken a large blow during "this time
in our economy." Giving them work to do is akin to feeding the poor when many of
them have no work.
Typcally bad design from that time. Better to go with the Conference Center
,Mesa Az Wright inspired architechture.Natural materials . I think the
Conferecne Center is a great buildng with its color
. Count your blessings and be grateful that your temples in Utah are being
funded by the ChurchAll temples are funded by the church.
To Davis: Once again, Mark 14:3-9.To Jordan T.: Why do you call us
"LD$"? If we paid our ministers like other churches, we wouldn't have much money
left over. Then would you be satisfied that we aren't commercial? But of course,
that would only make us more commercialized. Your position seems
counterintuitive.To byu alum: "It's" means "it is." To Speechless:
"Who's" means "who is."On the design: The new look is reminiscent of
many recent temples, but closest in style to the nearly-completed Cebu City
The temples in Provo and Ogden are two of many temples that lack architectural
beauty. A utilitarian look is understandable when you consider the purpose of
the building and the need to carefully steward limited funds. It is nice to see
that the Church can now afford some "shine" on the exterior of at least this
This will probably get edited out, but why can't they spend the money to feed
the poor? I don't think Jesus would be this concerned at this time in our
economy to see money spent to re-decorate a temple. Seriously!
the New York Manhattan temple has a normal church facility (with a gym and
chapel, but its not the stake center) in the same building. basketball and
dances in the gym are off limits when the temple is open because its too noisy.
I'm all for providing jobs and making buildings stronger but I don't like the
idea of considering existing buildings "out of date" in style and wanting to
change them.I think, and have always thought, that the design of the
Ogden and Provo temples is beautiful. I agree with those who have commented
that the recent temples, or many of them, tend to look "all the same". What is
wrong with the streamlined, simple design of the Ogden and Provo temples?Why can't we keep these distinctive designs and, at the same time,
renovate the buildings?
I'm sure none of the renovations really had much to do with man's opinion.
Stake centers are renovated, and Temples are no different in that respect.
After 30 years or so, every building needs updating, this one is getting an
update and a face lift. I have been to Ogden more than once (when I lived in
Utah) and the ordinaces performed are just as valid as any other Temple. And
every one who entered there was worthy. Didn't quite understand that comment.
Either you have a recommend or you don't...I also agree that if you live
near a Temple, you should count your blessings. Miss the convenience of
multiple Temples from which to choose. Not that I don't love going to St.
Louis, it's just more of a trip than it was in Utah.
What a waste of money that could be used to help people. "Updated". "Remove a
steeple". It seems LDS folk have way too much free time on their hands to come
up with foolishness like this.
That's an awful idea. Now it will look like every other temple of the last 10
years. It's current design gives it some character and a sense of history.
It's product of it's time. I someone comes to their senses.
I am excited about the new temple in Ogden. It will be a great addition to the
renovations that have already been done to the downtown area of Ogden. Seeing a
bright shiny new temple next to all of the new shops and the solomon center is
going to make the area be more enjoyable and appealing.
The temple is completely different than a stake center. Sure it could use the
stake center to do temple work but that would only diminish the work as it is
performed in the temple. If you check it out you will find that the first
baptisms for the dead were done in the Mississippi river but ever after were
done in the temple. Marriages have been performed in the Endowment House for
many years but now all marriages are done within the wall of the temple. Temple
ordinances are sacred and are currently reserved for the temple. I feel that
as the church continues to build temples you will see more built next to
existing stake centers thus the smaller temples will become the norm where the
larger temples like Salt Lake, Washington DC and others will be built less.
This is the pattern today and I feel will continue to be so. There was an
article just last week that more or less stated we needed to let the temple flow
through us and not us through the temple. The temple is the HOUSE of THE LORD.
The stake center is for general meetings.
Now if they can just remodel the big roof temples like the Boise temple and
count me in for a Provo remodel.
I think the new plan is much more attractive and probably safer as far as the
parking and entrance. It seems like the west entrance was on a busy street. Am
Ogden is very special to me.I always liked the gold spire but that is because
that is what I was used 2. Now that I'm in nebraska and have 2 go 2.5 hours to
the temple its a whole different story.miss the days I could go to the temple on
the drop of a hat if I wanted 2. I can understand it needing 2 be updated.
As somebody who loves Ogden dearly, it will be a little sad to see this unique
(pardon me, Provo) structure get a more vanilla appearance. But I have many
photographs and some video I've taken over the years to remember it by.But the new look should go nicely with the new neighboring development, part
of which the Church has been involved in. It's great to see the LDS Church put
as much effort into Ogden's revitalization as they have.
I never liked the design of either the Ogden or Provo temples. I prefer the
castle look of the Salt Lake, Logan, Manti, and St George Temples. Much more
Would be very sad to see the design of Provo changed...
To the person who asked why and at what cost? Have you been to the temple
recently and tried to park???? This is common sense. Thank high heaven for
For those readers who's comments indicate that they don't understand the
spiritual difference between a Temple and a Stake Center, I am left speechless.
Being a convert to the Church 16 years ago, I have a tremendous love for Temples
and can only assume that some people that are LDS only because they were born
into the Church are taking the great blessings of the Temple for granted. That's
one of the reasons that I am so thankful to be a convert and to have had to
build my testimony as an adult through reason and prayer.
I've always thought the Odgen and Provo Temples were the coolest looking of the
Utah Pairs. It surprised me that there were only two temples like this. I have
always been curious to be able to look inside one of them (most likely Provo
later this year). The Church always builds beautiful temples. When the Anchorage
Temple was first dedicated, I thought it looked cool, and since they expanded
it, I thought it looked even cooler. I love how our temple looks. Too bad it
isn't as noticeable in my community as most temple in Utah. Our temple is too
tiny for that, but I think in time, it will be expanded again, and be more
noticeable, maybe even from the nearby mountains if you look hard enough. That
probably won't happen until Alaska gets maybe 21 stakes, with 16-ish of them in
the Anchorage Area, but currently, there is only 7 stakes, with 4 in the
Anchorage Area. It will be excited for the Saints in Fairbanks if they get a
temple, since they drive 6 and a half hours to get here.
What an impressive project. I think this is a wonderful announcement.
What a terrible design and a waste of precious money and resources. It's just
sad. It seems like every new temple the LD$ Church builds these days looks the
same. They're making the Ogden Temple look like every other temple
out there--homogenous, bland, boring, and lacking any architectural
signifigance. Why don't they just leave it alone?
There is likely a need to update and bring the building up to current earthquake
and other building codes. Most of the old pioneer temples have been retrofitted
to comply with current codes. I remember when the Ogden temple was announced.
It was a big deal! Those of us in Logan wondered how come those unrighteous
Ogdenites were getting a temple. :))
How blessed you are to have a temple in your county. I would gladly give extra
money if they would build one here in Arkansas. With the money I spend on gas,
8+ hours of babysitting and toll roads to get to Oklahoma City, it would, very
quickly, be much cheaper.
Let's face it, nothing good came out of the 1970s, whether it be architecture,
fashion, music or hair styles. That said, this appears to be a very bad attempt
to revisit the monumental style of the 1930s (and I am being charitable here).
Is it just a coincidence that Emil Fetzer recently died?
Sorry, but this renovation looks even less inspiring than the original
OC Mormon: During construction of the Jordan River Temple, there was special
fund for that temple construction, at least in Salt Lake County.
Looking at the new renderings, I am rather intrigued and excited to see this
renovation. As downtown Ogden is slowly gaining a new face, it will be wonderful
to breathe new life into the Temple block. I too have to agree with some of the
comments above that the temple is most likely in need of renovation work. The
Ogden Temple has been a busy temple the last few years. Its most likely time for
updates to make the temple structure last even longer.
Does the church really have this much extra money? gees.
I always felt the Ogden Temple looked a bit like a UFO had landed on a big box.
Hope the renovations don't make it look like a carbon copy of any other temple,
but it can still have a distinctive look. That is the bad thing about all those
11,000 square foot temples built at the turn of the century. They all look the
The Ogden Temple is a building made by the hands of men. "Know ye
not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
1 Corinthians 3:16
What does the look of a building have to do with worshiping God? Are we that
week in faith that we need a man made building to worship God?I
agree that to build temples is a way of worshiping and showing our sacrifices to
God and a nice place to make covenants but are we focusing to much on the
temporal looks of a building and not enough of the spiritual aspect of
things?Why the remodel?
Re: ChachiI concede that although temples may not last as long as
the SL Temple, they are still symbolic and should be preserved when possible.
You make a good point. My reasoning behind the Provo tear-down idea is that the
MTC would need continuous access to a temple, so a new build and then tear-down
seems to make sense. But the symbolic cost of doing that may exceed the cost of
denying MTC missionaries temple access for 2 or 3 years.
re:to Dean 5:56I would welcome it. I do not base my spirituality or my
relationship with God on the condition of the building I am worshiping in. I
adore Primary children and would feel it an honor to worship in the same
building they participate in.
design of the Provo temple (never been to the Ogden Temple). However, for a
long time I found it kind of ugly. The temple is a place to worship God. And
in as much as the design distracts from that purpose, I think the Lord would
have the design altered. This might be part of the motivation for renovating
the Ogden temple to a more traditional style that will be more likely to be
timeless. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Provo Temple follow suit.
Would you want a Temple in the same building that Church Ball is played, where
cubs and Primary kids trash the building? I never get the feeling I get when I
enter a Temple when I go into my local Stake House- different buildings,
different functions entirely.
I love the Provo temple, and hope it never changes. That is where I was married,
and I absolutely love its unique design.
For those of you who are unaware, the Newport Beach California Temple was built
at a cost of over $20 million dollars, with ALL of the funds coming from the the
Saints in just 16 Orange County Stakes. (We were asked to pay for our temple so
that Church funds could be used to build other temples) And, though there are a
small minority of Saints in the OC who are wealthy, the majority of us are not.
Unless I am mistaken, I have never read an article in the DN which
indicates that the Saints in various parts of Utah have been asked to pay for
their local temples. Count your blessings and be grateful that your temples in
Utah are being funded by the Church.
I am speculating that you didnt intend to leave out the sisters as well when you
say "the brothren" are never irresponsible. =)
I think this is a great idea. This renovation will ignite excitement in the
Ogden Temple district to re-focus their lives on the importance of Temples. I
fully support this announcement.
To soakblue: I'm not quite sure why, but I think there's a feeling like temples
are supposed to be as eternal as the covenants made inside them. Brigham Young
wanted the Salt Lake Temple built to "stand through the Millennium," but that
doesn't mean that all temples have to. Buildings have useful lives, and ones
built of solid rock will last longer than ones built with 1970s construction. I
think that is what is essentially happening here: the Ogden Temple, if it were
any other building, would be demolished and rebuilt. Because it is a temple, the
Church is instead doing a remodel job so extensive that it will essentially
render it a new building. But the temple is a symbol, and this way we don't
treat a temple as if it were as expendable as a warehouse.
Any thing is posible with the Lord. It would be easy to use the Stake Center as
...that as soon as the new Payson temple is completed, that the Provo Temple
will have the same basic redesign. Provo is the busiest in the church, and to
do a renovation like this before an alternative is in place (i.e. the Payson
Temple) would be irresponsible. And the brethren are never irresponsible. So,
give it about 2-3 years, and Provo should get the same face lift.
Hey Dean thanks for your thoughts. A full explanation would take too long, but
suffice it to say that each building has complete and separate purpose. Because
of the sacred purpose and complexity of the Temple, Stake Centers could not
serve a dual purpose. But thanks for trying! :)
Klark,I hope you're joking. This temple is in a great location and
this renovation project is just what downtown Ogden needs. As far as your
"temple worthy" comment, please do some research before you type. Just because
parts of Ogden are ghetto, it doesn't mean that everyone that lives in the area
is unworthy. I've been in wards in South Ogden, North Ogden, and Ogden and can
tell you that there are many faithful members in the area that are worthy to
have a temple in their city.
To clarify I am an active member of the church and full tithing payer for the
past 27 years. It is ok to question. It is ok to question the church on the
money it spends on things. Now if they divulge that information that is a
totally different story. Believe it or not the church does have
people/"Saints" with in it who think independently at times.
I'm sure that the remodel isn't just to update the look only. Remodeling of the
outside, changing the entrance, etc, was probably required in order to add the
needed parking lot.I have full trust in the Church's use of tithing money.
I know that the leaders take that stewardship very seriously.
It always blows me away to hear such loser comments from 'faithful' member of
the LDS church. I was taught that with it's original design, the temple had
fairly significant symbolism. The central white portion representing the cloud
that followed the children of Israel and the upper golden spire representing the
light from within the cloud or the presence of Jehovah.
This temple has been around for 38+ years and is getting old. Part of the
decision is that the building is not earth quake sound and refitting needs to be
done. With that in mind why not give the building a new facelift after all the
refitting is done.this will be a beautiful building and will only
add to the downtown reconsgtruction going on.Wait and see - you will
Why can’t the church use existing stake centers to do the work of the
temples? With a dual purpose building much money can be saved. Half the days
and nights of the week the stake centers are empty. On the same note, if the
temple ceremony was changed to be shorter more work would be able to be done in
a shorter amount of time. my 2 cents. =)
The Ogden temple was the first I attended and is a place of fond memory for
me.I was disappointed when the spire was painted and the Angel
Moroni added, and I'm disappointed now.Hearing the tabernacle with
also be modified is very disappointing, too.
Why do I think that those who complain about the renovation cost do not pay
their tithing, if they are members at all.
I would imagine part of the reason for this is to bring the Temple up to code.
Instead of spending millions to renovate a dated building why not tear most of
it down and start over. The cost would probably be about the same. Awesome
decision, Provo is probably next. There has been a recent move in the church
toward making sure all the buildings are earthquake resistant. Salt Lake
Tabernacle, Assembly hall, Joseph Smith Building, etc.
The Church does not do things on a whim. They are very careful with sacred
funds. There are probably a dozen reasons for the change that are not fully
explained here, including possible structural flaws or maintenance costs, etc.
When the new design is displayed, I'm sure everyone will forget
their objections and admire the beauty of the new House of the Lord.
Get over it people. Like life, the Church moves on. That is what tithing monies
are for. If I had been asked, I would have given a resounding yes to replacing
the "ultra modern" look with something more appealing to the eye. I hope the
church will make a similar change to Provo. Keep smiling.
I hope they do this to the Provo Temple also, but it probably will not happen
until the Payson Temple is completed and can take over for awhile! Wish they would redo the inside of the St. George Temple and make it fit the
historic feeling of the exterior. Ever since they ripped out the historic
interior of the temple in the 70's and replaced it with a vanilla inside (Like
the Provo and Ogden Temples) I hoped that one day they would go in and make it
have a historic look! Glad we live in a time when the Church is
able to build so many temples!
Why destroy the Tabernacle spire?
Chachi, I wasn't joking. Is tearing down a temple against the doctrines of the
church? No. Programs change. Temples can change too. It's not the structure that
I don't mean to be rude, but I always disliked the look of the "twin" Ogden and
Provo temples... As long as we're doing Ogden, could the Church also make the
Provo Temple look better and redesign it along similar lines?BTW, I
am a trying to be faithful LDS and temple-attender....I just hope the Provo
Temple could be made to look better and I APPLAUD the redesign of the Ogden
Temple!Ric in South Dakota
The Ogden temple was always bad architecture. It looks like a casino. You
almost expect the top level to rotate, like the top floors of the old holiday
inns of the 60's.Here is to hoping the new designs look better in
The exterior of this Temple is not a pretty marker to be kept. This
remodel/redesign is very welcomed by most of the comments here. Many Temples
have undergone drastic remodels in the past. This is just the first to have so
much exterior remodeling done. I knew the reference for the original design
which helped me to overlook the lack of beauty but this new work will be a boon
to the area. Lets celebrate it with knowledge that it's not a whim!
It is a horrible location and the people in the area fro the most part are
unworthy. I think they should move it instead of refurbishing it.
So how much is this remodel expected to cost?? I read the article but didn't
find that important fact. Did I miss it?And I'm sorry, why do we
need to do this project at all? Isn't the temple working just fine as itis? Do
they expect to get more patrons with a newer design? Is the old building
structurally unsound?I know that I am not supposed to ask these
questions of my church leaders, perhaps the Deseret News could ask them for me,
because I still want to know.
Why? Can't they just leave the exterior design for what it was for that time?
They are making a value judgement of that period of design. Back in the 50's
and 60's, older buildings had their facades covered up with more a more modern
facade. Today, those facades are being torn down and the old ones are being
restored. Today, the Ogden and Provo temple's exterior is being valued as less
than desirable and should be removed. Instead of discarding symbols of modern
architectural design, let them stand as markers of that time. And, maybe update
some of the windows and exterior materials. But, please don't annihilate the
design that was originally given to it!
Your preemptive response is appreciated. I have tried to make comments regarding
the expenditure of tithing money being used to remodel an existing temple but
until this time it has not been allowed to be shared here on the DN. Hopefully
with your comment being allowed other perspectives might be shared. I am one of those less-than-affluent members of the church who feel it a trial
of faith to see the church spend tithing on the remodeling of this structure.
Paint the spire back to the original color and keep it like it is.
I am an active member of the church but I am less than excited to hear about the
remodeling. Can I say that Deseret News and still get my comment
posted? The censoring on my other comments in this regard is atrocious. Because
I have a conflicting opinion it is almost impossible for it to be shared here on
the DN. Thank you.
Yes, they will remove the steeple from the tabernacle. I presume that it's seen
as competing with the temple steeple and redundant.soakblue, you may
have been joking, but if you weren't, allow me to voice the opinion that the
Church would never take that approach to replacing a temple. Never in its
history has the Church torn down a temple, except the shell of the Apia Samoa
Temple after it was already burned. Someone is bound to whine about
the expenditure of tithing money, so let me say this in preemptive response: The
Church takes seriously its stewardship of the House of the Lord, where poor and
rich alike come to receive eternal blessings. In Mark 14:3-9, Jesus rebuked
those who criticized a woman for spending money on Him rather than, as they
proposed, on the poor. The less-than-affluent members of this Church count
themselves blessed to be able to contribute their widow's mite to such efforts.
I love the change!
I hope they do the same to the Provo Temple.
Re: ReferenceYou're right, but they lost a lot of that symbolism
when they painted the spires white. Once they did that, this move was
The exterior was less than pleasing to look at. Im glad for the beautiful
"And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the
way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and
night:" -Exodus 13:21Ogden/Provo temples were designed to represent
the cloud by day and pillar of fire at night. Sad to see one of them change,
but I welcome the new design.
This is cool! I was at the dedication of this temple the first time around and
when here all thru college. Its great to see this temple being so well kept.
I forgot to mention that I think these plans are AWESOME. If you read the
history of the Ogden/Provo temples, they were designed along the lines of "form
follows function." The aim was high volume, and the exterior design seems to
have been a low priority at a time the church was coming out of the building
crisis of the early 1960s. This revamp is a first for a modern temple, and looks
In looking at the proposed picture are they taking the steeple off of the
Here is a stimulus package that works -- I pay my tithing and the church creates
jobs by building and remodeling temples. Love it! Wish the federal gov could
do as well. Not seeing the same results with the taxes I pay. Where are the
I'm sad to see the old water fountain design go, but look forward to the new
design. My husband and I were married there and my parents were married there.
They won't refurbish the Provo temple; they'll build a new one in front of it
and then demolish the old one. Just wait.
i am very excited to see what the Ogden Temple will look like when it is
completed!!! but i had the opportunity to attend and do baptisms in the ogden
temple just last night. my first time being in that particular temple and i was
looking at it and i absolutely love the structure of the building and the
design...i havent ever really liked the Ogden/Provo temples because of the
Birthday/Wedding Cake design...but last night i really saw the beauty of that
particular temple...its bitter sweet i guess you could say...im sad that the
design is changing...but i am extremely excited to see what the new design has
Pretty please announce you'll do the same "makeover" to the Provo Temple. :-)Any hope we can go back to the Logan and SLC designs?