park fees pay for much of the upkeep of parks. There are systems out there that
are funded by levees and admission is free to the public. Part of parks mission
is to educate the public on the natural wonders around them. Privatizing parks
would put important decisions in the hands of one person. That person may have
an agenda. They wouldn't be held accountable. I agree - we'd look like disney
land with our boat tours and mini golf and gift shops galore. Theres a delicate
balance between offering public recreational opportunities and overdeveloping
pristine areas. The public scoffs at rules that keep atv's out of certain parks
or limits hunting of large game, but these rules are there to protect the
resources we all enjoy. Let those who are trained to make resource management
decisions for the good of the RESOURCE run the show, and keep parks as part of
the State. Parks aren't out there to make a profit. They are out there to
preserve the resource and educate the public.
We privatized This Is The Place State Park, it receives $800,000 annually from
the DNR budget. If this is the idea behind "privitization", please privitize all
of our state parks, maybe they'll be sufficently staffed, funded and maintained.
Turn our state parks over to the local communities they support, use local
resources to maintain, staff & operate our parks. Leave them open and public,
get the state and the legislature out of the park business. It seems
there is more bureaucracy then funds in our parks thes days.
As a senior, using the $35 State Parks discount pass, I would seriously plead
with the legislature: "Please do not do away with this senior's perk as it is
greatly appreciated & utilized for summer family camping & winter ice fishing @
Jordanell, Rockport & Deer Creek Parks."
Again the State Legislature is looking at the short term view. Right now we are
in a tight financial spot but that will pass. It took us 60 or so years of real
mismanagement ( personal, business and government to get us in this financial
"fix". It'll take a number years to dig our way out. Do not sacrifice the
"peoples places" to the alter of the profesional money grubbers. We'll get far
less and pay much more for what we ahve already paid for. My generation ( and
generations before) gifted to the public our "peoples places". Now just because
we are in a temporary slump do to the mismanagement of our monetary
assetspleasae donot throw out the baby with the bathwater. Our loyal career
parks employees work for a whole lot better reason than money ... they love
their opportunity to serve the natural best needs of both our environment and
our citizens. They are are career ( rather than part time) faithful protectors
of our communal public interests. When they go away so goes the pleasures of the
Park Systems. A much more natural setting would make them both more efficient
and proud of their responsibilities
I got dibs on the Bunjie Jump concession at Dead Horse Point!Video
Arcades! Souvenier shops! Multiplex theatres!Yee-haw!I
jus' loves me some privatazation of public parks!
privatization with gov oversight isn't a bad idea. if a company or trust can
maintain the lands better than the cash-strapped government programs, they
should be given the opportunity to do so. If they don't do a good job, then the
gov should have the option of taking the land back.
Do not privatize the parks. This allows wealthy land grabbers to take more of
the land that belongs to us as citizens.
Ya - like we privatized health care ya sure. Get business into everything. One
thing about politicians they love corporations and donations.
Let's get government out of our lives. Privatize state parks? Sure, do it. And
while were at it let's get government out of the liquor sales/distribution
business. Oh, and while we're at it get government out of family and kinship...
Marriage equality and choice for all! Ain't freedom in Utah great!!!
...isn't it about, time?
then we can turn even more of Utah into strip malls, parking lots and pseudo
mcmansion developments with no green spaces. Let's keep government out of our
If the legislature likes privatization so much, why not privatize the state
We pay taxes to pay for these parks. The Park Service, BLM and Forest Service
all spend too much money catering to big money RV'ers who want paved trails,
Internet hook up and handicapped access to everything. I noticed year after
year, these money strapped government entities spend hundreds of thousands
barricading us out of the park just to charge us to get in. They put up
expensive fee booths and hire someone to take our money because someone likes to
park on pavement. Our parks need to be pristine and available to all. We can't
even have a picnic in the mountains anymore without paying someone a fee to say
we can picnic. NO PRIVATIZING and NO FEES!
How about the Legislature not take health benefits from the state???How
about the Legislature be a citizen legislature and not accept or receive
pay??How about we look at the pay of managers in state government??How about we look at the number of managers in each department????Perhaps we should look within before we roll the dice with our kids and our
safety.Why is it everytime there is a shortfall the ROADS, THE POLICE, THE
TEACHERS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE KIDS are the first targets?? Are the
legislators attempting to hit us where it hurts to make a point and make us
scream "raise taxes"?We need to fix the problem and not create a greater
problem for the future.
Why not just STOP all State aid to Illegals....WAKE UP PEOPLE this is the real
problem that is causing all these money woes!!!
The idea of privatizing state parks is too dumb for even our legislators to
consider, and they spend a lot of time on some pretty dumb ideas. We won't have a state park system if the parks have to generate enough revenue
to sustain themselves and make somebody a profit. It's just nuts. Entrance fees will climb to where Joe Average can't and/or won't affod them.
And that doesn't even consider the value of the land on which the parks sit (see
below).We have struck a wonderful, delicate balance right now by
putting a relatively modest amount towards high-quality state parks that should
be the envy of all other states. Also, many parks have a "private" compenent,
with consessionaires who operate businesses and generate income there.But, most State Park land was acquired with federal money with restrictions
that won't allow full privatization anyway, unless somebody pays for
property--and then no one but the super-rich can play there.Yes,
look "outside the box!" But, remember one of John Wayne's mottos: "Life is
hard, it's harder if you're stupid."
If the legislature gets their way, the state parks will all be filled with or
ringed with luxury view homes and golf courses. One only has to visit Snow
Canyon to get a glimpse of what the future they envision for the parks will look
like... big bloated homes visible from many viewpoints, big bloated homes right
next to trails, and advertising on the developer's websites that the park is the
home buyers' "back yard". From the developer's website:"The Ledges' grand
backdrop is Snow Canyon State Park where rugged rocks of red and white sandstone
stretch high above the desert floor, painting the ideal canvas for this
exquisitely designed residential and golf community."
There is a solution. We need to get the facts and move forward. We are rapidly
approaching the point where all entitlement programs regardless of scope or size
will be evaluated for viability. If, in the end, parks must be privatized we
would be wise to control who can own them. Care should be taken to ensure that
US citizens own this land. It is possible with hard work, communication and
creative thinking we can find a solution that is viable for all. The solution
may indeed be a hybrid approach where some parks are privatized while others are
not. What we need more of is critical thinking and real analysis and less
emotional responses from all factions. Bottom line. We need to be prepared to
pay for the things we want including using state parks.
Agree -- let the free market decide. Get the government out of our lives.
Privatize. I have more confidence in a clean and affordable park
than a tzx & spend bureaucrat spending millions to neuter "the" out of Smokey
Why not use the free market? You could use a e-bay like system were people bid
on campsites. This way if you have the money you can get that campsite on the
forth. This would work for hunting too. Bed on tags and use the idea touted by
conservative for insurance, let people bid across state lines for elk tags.
There shouldn't be an affirmative action program based on geography. If a hunter
from LA and bid higher than a hunter from Blanding, the market rules.
Keep the parks public or everything will start to look like a Disneyland
attraction - gift shop at the end of a "ride."
Wow, what a delight to see the near-universal scorn of those who have posted
comments here. This is one of the worst ideas I have seen come out of the state
legislature in a long time (and that, my friends, is saying something). These
are public lands and should not be managed for the public good, not private
Why would we listen to Elis Ivory, a developer on privatizing state parks?
That's whats wrong with this state, the governor was in Real Estate and Ivory is
a developer. How about whats best for the state parks? Privatizing is so
wrong. Seems privatizing always costs more in the long run. These developers
would rather sell of our herativ=ge for a profit.
Public parks are especially needed by those who can afford the fees least. They
should also be considered part of a free public education for all ages.
The parks were set aside for the people of a state or this nation to enjoy.
Encouraging those who would "get gain" by limiting access to God's pure creation
to only those who could pay would be a huge mistake. How much more of our souls
are we willing to sell for money?Let the parks remain (or revert to
the) wild, if it comes to that. As many above have said, there would probably be
enough volunteer work to handle the bare necessities.
Cut the number of legislators and the number of days in the legislative session
if you want to save some money. We need LESS GOVERNMENT!!! Then stop with the
"message bills" and all the litigation that we'll spend in the courts. How about
The 45 day legislative session can't end too soon. The fact that this idea and
many of the other cuts being proposed (as well as the wasteful spending of
taxpayer dollars on likely constitutional challenges to "message" bills) is
considered less radical than increasing revenue is just plain nuts!
Our legislature needs a complete overhaul. We are seeing ridiculous ideas
coming out of it such as dropping 12th grade from public schools, privatizing
state parks...to name just two!Stupid does as stupid says.
Big mistake.Profits can't run everything in this state.That is what the legislature is trying to do with education and we can see how
well that is working out.
One has to ask which representative is pushing this and how much does he stand
to make selling a park to his relative or friend.
"This is just one more Republican grab for total control. "Lets
see...Taking the parks out of the hands of the state government is "Republicans
grab for total control"Wow...the leap of logic here is
astounding...Wonder what the commentor really thinks....Bottom line...We have more services than we do revenue to support them. Out
of one side of our mouths we cry "No more taxes" out of the other..."Don't take
away my state provided benefits!"Sounds like a "have my cake and eat
it too" scenario.Kudos to our lawmakers for seeing the hard choices
and having the courage to move forward!
State Parks are for all the people to enjoy. Keep them primitive and cut down
on Rangers, trucks, and big buildings. We just want to enjoy the pristine
The ideology that pivate can do better than public has reached it's peak of
stupidity. Making profits should never be the purpose of state park and
privatization is not always the solution to all our financial problems. In
today's economy many private companies are going bankrupt. A company will
always look at maximizing its's profit--not breaking even! If revenue is not in,
park maintenance will most likely be cut, parts of the parks closed, safety
trimmed ect...Not going in the right direction...
We need to understand that state parks preserve our heritage, some wilderness,
and our history. This is not something which should be privatized. I have no
objection to a small fee, or for a tax which might go to support these parks.
This is what Bush & Cheney tried to do to our national parks. Privatization is
one more way to deprive common Americans of one of the best parts of our
American way of life and pour more dollars into the pockets of Republicans in
big business. Can you imagine the Haliburton Nature Trail around Old Faithful
or having Kodachrome Basin run by Chevron?There is virtually no
place left in Texas for Texans to go enjoy time with nature, because during the
years Bush was governor down there, most of Texas was "privatized" and the new
owners doubled or tripled fees for entrance and camping.This is just
one more Republican grab for total control.
I agree with overspending. Keep the parks primitive, free of stores, internet
connections, and other such things. Have a few signs and/or displays in the
parking area to give a brief overview of the historical or natural aspects of
the park. Have public restrooms in the parking area but not elsewhere. Have
ramps and paved paths in the vicinity of the parking area and dirt, unmaintained
paths elsewhere. Charge reasonable fees to help offset the tax dollars needed to
pay for the minimum maintenance of the parks. Use tax dollars to list the parks
in registries, but don't spend tax dollars to entice people to come to the
parks. Let people come to the parks who are willing to endure the primitive
nature of the parks, and let people who what more conveniences stay away. The
parks should be available to all, but the parks shouldn't try to satisfy the
needs of all. Let locals who are interested in a particular park form non-profit
volunteer groups to help staff and maintain particular parks.
Opposed! Visit Utah parks in the Summer and Spring and see how heavily they are
used. Utah is a big-family state and it is apparent in the park systems.
Examine the limits of privatizing. Compare the offerings of public and private
parks before taking that giant step. Privatizing, I think, will rob park
visitors of a "nature" experience. Privatize buildings and services in towns
and cities where it probably should be done but don't dole out nature to
citizens by turning the remaining natural enclaves into profit generators.
While I do not necessarily disagree with Ellis Ivory's assumption that shutting
state parks leads to losses in tourism revenues, I would like some data to back
it up. I know of some state parks that are visited by tourists from outside of
the State and others that seem to be visited mainly by locals. Visits by
locals, in many cases, brings in little by way of hotel, food establishment, and
...give us a list of the parks that are being considered.Also, why would
they consider cutting some parks and in the same breath talk about adding
internet hookups in others.Let the paople that can't live without the internet
At the same time, the department is embracing ways to be more innovative and
businesslike ...."We want to be independent," Styler said. "We want
to look for revenue opportunities."Its the Conservative
Way......more $$$$$Less service
The State should allow non-profits to run the parks via contract but retain
ownership so they continue to oversee how they are being run.I'm
certain there are many people who through volunteerism and financial support
would be willing to help keep the parks open. And do it at a cost much lower
than what the State can do it for now.
The issue is not parks. The solution is to have public programs ( medicade, care
for disabled, elderly, young children) put on the sholders that can carry it
best. Namely the churches. Our state is an embarresment to its heritage!
For what reason do the park service want to install home amenities in the parks?
People go to the parks to get away from home and there everyday habits. The only
thing the parks need is trash cans for those who litter and can't take there
trash with them.Privatizing these parks and fees to enter them is
why I have stopped visiting them. The parks are getting too much development and
commercialism in them, leave them alone and pristine. The park service is there
to patrol the parks for eco-violations, law enforcement, and help those in them.
They don't need souvenir shops or restaurants in them or camping facilities.
Force the visitors to bring their needs and take their trash with them.Leave the parks undeveloped and stop with this mentality to make them a home
like environment and do not privatize the parks. It will double the cost to
enter and keep more people away.
One answer... NO!!!! Privatizing these parks would only go to further destroy
the land that we have worked so hard to protect.