Always nay sayers! Always those people who are negative about everything! Try to
look on the brighter side of life! Accentuate the positive, eliminate the
negative, latch on to the affirmative, don't mess with Mr. In-Between! Be happy
about the new downtown area. Heaven knows it needed a facelift.
This development is going to be fantastic not only for Salt lake City but for
the State of Utah and the region as a whole. I am hopeful that this will lead
to other great developments in this Great City and Great State.
To Dorfman: The creation of 1800 jobs that are not a burden on the taxpayer is
much better than just giving people food and other things. You are entitled to
your opinion, but it seems to me that you were a bit shortsighted with your
I look forward to enjoying the City Creek project when I visit from the
Southeast. It sounds like a fun, exciting, and exceptional place to shop and
live. I hope the condos are being sold to families that will use them as
year-round residences, rather than for occassional visits for conference and
skiing -- so the businesses there will remain viable.Kudos to those with
the forsight to envision this project. It will do much to keep the area
around Temple Square safe, alive, beautiful, enjoyable, and well.
these articles could clearly state that the way all this development is paid for
is from profits garnered through investments and corporations owned by a
FOR-PROFIT, TAX-PAYING arm of the corporation of the presiding bishop of the LDS
Church. Furthermore, the LDS Church's WORLD HEADQUARTERS are located in downtown
Salt Lake City, and the Church leaders have an interest in the vibrancy and
appearance of downtown. They have wisely found a way to do this without using
member donations and with a plan for it to pay for itself and even, gulp, make
some more profits in the process. Oh, and guess what, the
gay/lesbian community will even be free to protest when it's done on this very
ground! Oh yea, remember that this was all planned and started
before the economic meltdown. At least all those construction and consultant
folks have kept their jobs and we're not left to look at empty building shells
and holes in the ground!Try to separate the words "LDS Church" from
what you see going on there, and you might be grateful for the revitalization of
a declining area of the city.
A billion here and a billion there, pretty soon you have the equivalent of a
large and spacious building...
@Dorfman--It's worthwhile noting that not only will the completed
development employ large numbers of people, but the ongoing construction has
averaged around 1,500 construction jobs at any one time. Not too many projects
of that size going on in this state. The absence of this project would leave a
serious hole in the industry.Just to reiterate, no member donations
are used on this or any other commercial project or enterprise of the LDS
Church. Members of the LDS Church are quite generous in their donations to
worldwide humanitarian causes. The LDS Church has the enviable reputation
amongst charities of delivering 100% of each donation to the people in need in
the form of assistance. No administrative costs are deducted. How can they do
that? By far the majority of those involved in the church's humanitarian efforts
are adult volunteer missionaries, retirees who pay all their own expenses and
receive no compensation for serving. If you have a sincere interest in helping
those in need and want bang for your buck, you owe it to yourself to visit
ldsphilanthropies dot org.
What are the various businesses of the Catholic Church?
I am in great hopes this project will turn out to be a good thing for everyone
Too 9:45 poster, 'Enjoy the irony of using a church-owned business
to talk about how you'll never visit a church-owned development. I sure do!' I know! I enjoy the hate made visible. Not the hate that is sinister.
For a contrasting viewpoint see The New York Times (January 7, 2010) article
entitled, "Project Renews Downtown, and Debate."
Watch out! You're commenting on the website of a LDS-church-owned newspaper!
Oops! Enjoy the irony of using a church-owned business to talk about how you'll
never visit a church-owned development. I sure do!
Criticism, scepticism and cynicism are so embedded in the lives of those whose
sole purpose is to seek to crush the good works done by others. These
individuals are never creators of anything good from which the community at
large, including themselves, can greatly benefit. And so they seek to put down
those who do create goodness for others. How critical, sceptical and cynical
they are! And mostly how pitiful they can be for so doing!
So, working to deny marriage is ok? Because your the majority?
Have members of the LDS church forgotten what it's like to be the minority?
Who told you the lie that it was the members' money being spent on this building
project? The LDS church does not mix corporate and charitable funds. This is
funded by the church's corporate fund, money which has come from church-owned
businesses.I can assure you the LDS church does an extraordinary job
at serving people who are "starving, dying due to not having health insurance,
loosing [sic] their homes, jobs." Maybe you can ask the Red Cross and the Utah
Food Bank how much of their funding comes from the LDS church. Or look at how
many people are employed, clothed, and furnished by Deseret Industries. Or ask
several other religious charities in Utah how much the LDS church helps them.
Did you consider the fact that the City Creek Center construction which you
bemoan as a waste is keeping many construction workers in a job? I'm amazed at
the laziness of your accusation.
What a great example of free enterprise. Kudos to the L.D.S. church, Utah and
Salt lake City. The return on investment for the church and Utah will be
billions on top of billions on top of billions.
That's ok if you never go in because of prop 8, you're among the minority of
voters anyway.But will you also boycott businesses owned and/or operated
by Catholice, Jews and African Americans?No? Then bigotry is alive and
well among the anonymous-ites.
You'd better not support any hispanic, african americans, or have any support
for the catholic church's various businesses. They all supported Prop 8 as
well...I guess you shouldn't go to California either since the majority of
people there support Prop 8 too.By all means, stay away from Disney!
Mr. Dorfman, why do you care what is done with "the members money"? First of
all, you don't know how or what money funded this project. If you did
contribute to "the members money" did you do it with strings attached? If so,
you are probably in for a lot more disappointment in your life. If you haven't
contributed, why do you even care? I hope you figure things out sometime...BTW - the church has and is very involved in humanitarian efforts. In
addition, the dollars spent on this project have kept countless people employed
- so yes, this project has prevented people from starving, dying, losing their
homes, and jobs. Of course, if you would still like to go to City Creek to beg
I am sure nobody will stop you.
It's owned by the LDS church? After Prop 8 I will never go in
What a great comment. Is it incumbant on the LDS church to feed, insure, employ
and house every person in the world? This project will provide jobs
for many people, who in turn will be insured, buy food, and will be able to
afford housing...interesting what happens when people are given an opportunity
to fish, rather than have fish handed to them over an over again.What about those in construction that are building this project...are they not
benefiting from this investment? Seems like the LDS church can do
no "right" no matter what they do.
To Dorfman:What's wrong with rejuvenating the city? I promise this is an
investment, not an expenditure. The revenues from this finished area will more
than pay for the costs to build it. Not to mention the jobs it will create; as
opposed to the government saying starting clean energy programs will "create"
new jobs that will only REPLACE old ones.
Yes, just what we need. People are starving, dying due to not having health
insurance, loosing their homes, jobs, but we can go and beg food at the new City
Creek center.Perfect use of "the members money"???
I'm excited about the City Creek project! In contrast, if you want to see
Babylon and great and spacious buildings, come look at the Casinos where I live
and the mist of darkness you can find there.
I take it you won't be swinging by City Creek.....ever. Too bad, really. I
think it'll be a great place to visit once it's completed.
When I think $3Billion I think great an spacious building...
You must be in a mist of darkness...
Oh goodie! Restaurants for the great and spacious building!
Zion? more like babylon
This is great news for Utah and all the more wonderful since it is not the
tax payers who are footing the bill. Downtown Detroit in tehory could use a
facelift like this, but it does not have the intact instiutions to make it so a
facelift would really help.
If you like keeping up on the progress, check out this forum...
Just think of all the jobs that will be opened when this is completed! Beauty
and financia stability working together plus housing.. all rolled up together.
I love keeping up on the progress of City Creek. A much needed breath of fresh
air for the downtown area. It'll be fun to take the kids there at Christmas
time when it's finished.