Mark, I really hope that your being sarcastic.
Craig, sorry but you are just wrong, everyone knows that California is home to
tax and spend liberals. Everyone knows that it is liberals that tax you through
the roof and steal everything you make. So there is no way that here
in this god fearing good conservative family values state that anyone could be
taxed more then in lib California.
I pay taxes in CA and UT for 2009 and even though I made more money in CA, I
paid less taxes. I did the numbers and I will pay more taxes in UT
than in CA unless I make more than $100,000, then I start to pay less (assuming
I live the entire year in the respective state). If I make $1,000,000 I will pay
$40,000 more taxes to CA than to UT.Basically it is better to live
in CA until I make more than $100,000, then I should move to UT.
Eliminate deductions and make the tax flat. Until you do that, dear
legislators, you have an unfair taxation scheme that won't pay the bills.
News Flash! Republicans lower taxes on the rich; promised economic trickle-down
fails to materialize!In other news, several planes landed at the
airport today, traffic was bad at point of the mountain during rush hour, and
the sun set in the West.
As much as I hate taxes, I'm glad to have an income!Still, I not
only hope everyone is paying less, I hope all government learns to spend less.
In the 70's I remember when sales taxes went over the 4% threshold.
We are on the verge of 7%. Are we really getting almost twice as many services,
and do we really need those services?
So if the flat tax is the direct cause of the state's budget woes, how do you
explain California having such trouble? They have progressive tax rates, and
seem to be in far bigger budget trouble than Utah!
Try again to deceive us...|12:42 p.m. Jan. 31, 2010"I work hard. I
should be able to keep some of my money rather than paying for everyone
else."What!! You are paying for everyone?! I wish I'd known! What's
your address? I'll send you my tax bill.
Perhaps a majority of Utahs do get a break with this flat tax, however the
majority of Utahn's get only a very small cut under this tax.This is
because this flat tax is targeted at Utahn's who have very high incomes. These
are the ones getting most of the money back from this tax.This tax
cut could have targeted all Utah'ns equally, or even given the low income
Utahn's the biggest break by getting rid of the food tax completely.Given that the Legislature and Govenor are Republican, this isn't what was
done. This is understandable. Republicans reflexively do what is best for the
most well to do.
Because it isn't. A true flat tax would have no deductions, credits,
exemptions, etc. Instead, you would pay 5% of what you make in annual income.
End of story. If they want to try a flat tax, I'm all for it. Do it. If it
don't work, we can always up the percentage or find some way to play with the
numbers until we find a reasonably fair system that does work.
Add me to the list of Utah taxpayers who pay MORE under the "new" system. I am
very disapointed in the rhetoric that claims less taxes.
"Like most tax studies, this one is complicated, with lots of charts, graphs and
analysis"If it were not for the comments posted here and the
incompetance of the avergaee citizen when it comes to almost anything analytical
I would be offended by the comment above but teaching in higher-ed in Utah has
convinced me that such a statement is about right- further evidence we should
get rid of the 12th grade since we have taught and "learnt" all we can by that
paying less under this flat tax, but the fact remains that it is still the most
well to do Utahn's that got the biggest break from this particular tax. The most
well to do Utahn's are the ones who need it least.Most Utahns who
got a break from this tax (the middle income tax payers), got a very small
break, I have newspaper articles and the middle class who did get a break with
this tax got a very small break compared to the wealthy.There has
been talk of revoking the decrease in food tax. No talk at all about revocation
of this tax that was targeted at the rich.Why is it that the
Republicans always give tax cuts where those who need it least get the most. Yet
when there is talk of having to raise a tax, the food tax is the one that comes
to mind, which is a tax that hurts the least able to pay, the most.This is why I vote democratic.
What do they consider "middle-class" income? I'm paying about 5 times as much
as I was under the old system.
My state taxes have doubled under Huntsman's flat tax, with only a modest salary
increase.I am not sure why folks blame it on the "large families" as
there is no large family convention that sets tax policy. This was Huntsman's
idea, even though many groups opposed it, including my "large family". My bro-in-law moved to Texas and got a raise because taxes are less even
though they reduced his salary. The irony is that they claim the tax burden is
on home owners, but they pay less than us.Flat income tax + Property
tax + gas tax = move to another state
I am a middle income Utahn. My taxes increased by a thousand dollars! Tired of
hearing how most taxes were decreased. Don't treat us like we are stupid.I am truly tired of paying for everyone else. Tired of taxes for lazy
butts who don't want to work and mooch off of everyone else!I work
hard. I should be able to keep some of my money rather than paying for everyone
Our annual contribution to state taxes went from approx $24,000 per year to over
$45,000 in 2008. We have lived in Utah our entire lives and I am sick of paying
for all these big families. We are doing like many of our friends and
becoming residents of a state that does not force us to pay such big taxes -we
will buy a house or condo in WY, NV or another state. For $45,000 I can buy one
heck of a place to be a resident and yet still live in Utah -hey it is done all
the time, just look at all the high end cars in this town with WY or NV
plates-they aren't here for Medical treatment or to shop at Nordstroms
We are retired with good retirement incomes; and have no problems paying our
share to keep education and law enforcement, two areas that need budget
increases not decreases, from being cut. However, that said, our Utah income tax
for 2008 was up several hundred dollars with the same income; and higher medical
costs. Something is wrong in the new formula. We continue to feel that Utah's
property tax is rediculously "low" (we are 11 years out of CA); and should carry
the the entire education cost. And all food tax should be eliminated. The
current sytem does not make good sense.
The caption is not true for most taxpayers. Most pay more though it is a little
more. A very few pay less, and it is a LOT less. It skews the totals to create
a false impression. The results are grouped in a way that present predrawn
conclusions. We see the statistics they want us to see.
went up as well. I think their theory that most people are paying less under
this system is hogwash (the middle class; the backbone of the economy) are
paying more. I just hope those rich people who received a tax break via the
flat tax are using that money to start of expand businesses and hire more people
as all the hard right wingers say they will; that theory doesn’t seem to
be working does it?
I believe that there is something wrong with poor families not paying taxes,
even though they benefit from the spending of those funds. Everyone should be
participating in paying for our state's needs. A progressive tax is bad for our
state and country. I am fully supportive of this new tax system.
The secret to all these tax woes would be to get EVERYONE to pay their taxes. If
the state would enforce the tax laws and go after those who do not pay their
taxes at all, the rest of us wouldn't have to pay as much. It is very
simple...eliminate all the exemptions, deductions, and credits and then and only
then will it be a flat tax.
A consumption tax is the way to go. You consume government resources. You pay.
Simple as that.
My middle income must also be part of that SMALL group of taxpayers who saw an
increase in taxes.
This flat tax is the direct cause of our budget problems.Who is
paying for it?Our children.
My taxes went up a little under this "so-called" flat tax. According to my
accountant, most clients' taxes went up some. He said the big winners were the
wealthy who saw decreases in their taxes. This is not a true flat tax since
true flat taxes do not allow for any deductions whatsoever. I believe in
flat-taxes and I challenge the legislature to make this tax a truly flat one.
The only true flat tax in Utah right now is tithing.
My taxes went up slightly under the new system. People earning within $30,000
of what I do, one way or the other, saw a small change. People earning $1
million more than me are paying tens of thousands of dollars less and that money
is coming directly out of Utah schools.
My taxes went up under this system. I am a middle income earning small business
The drastic cuts to important programs paid for by state tax revenue tells me
that these tax cuts were poorly timed and ill-advised.
Despite a reduction in my income of around 6,000, my Utah Income Tax went up.
My Tax preparer told me that he saw similar results for almost all of his
"retired" customers. I protested to the Tax Commission and have yet to receive
an explanation for how it is possible.
Anyone who believes these charts don't pay any taxes so they wouldn't know. I
have to wonder how they manipulated incomes, tax credits, EIC, and tax exempt
illegals in to these charts.This chart has drawn a line at $500,000
as the upper tax payers paying more taxes and that is just a tad bit higher than
it really is, like about $475,000 too high.On retired income just
barely above the nationally established poverty income of about $32,000, my
taxes have gone up every year by 3 digit numbers on state and federal taxes. And
this chart is not even including the increases in other state, city, and county
taxes and fees we also pay. If you discount all the EIC and other tax credits
you would find that a flat 5% tax on base incomes is not so flat or low. Before
this 5% flat tax, many of the low income to middle income tax payers were paying
less than 5% tax, but they didn't understand or realize that fact.So
they come up with this hoax to deceive and pass misinformation.