is a good thing.Those who mock shall mourn.
Really! Is it that big of a deal? If they come they come if they don't who
so the young man, the recruit, should lose his potential scholarship because he
actually traveled somewhere and...how about thinking and acting on
the premise that you care for the young recruit and wish him the best and
happiness? Or do you just want a slave at the Y?
BYU, ND, and UW are all fine schools with good athletic programs. We must
remember that a verbal commitment is NON-BINDING. For me the best comparison is
the deposits we sent to colleges to hold our places while we made up our minds
or waited to hear from other schools. We wanted an ace in the hole while we
figured out what was truly right for us. The colleges understand that this
happens. God tells us to treat one another as we want to be treated. If it is
true that BYU contacted committed players then they should expect the same
It's a shame BYU lost out on Kona, but he was obviously not 100% committed and
his father is just blowing off steam to the press. It's kind of sad because he
blew his best offer for the sake of a trip to South Bent...in January. ND has a
great history, but it hasn't been as good as BYU the last three or four years
and they just canned their HC. I guess there's something to be said for being
able to lose on NBC every week if you're into that. Washington is an up and
coming program with a lot of excitement surrounding it, but they haven't arrived
yet. BYU is better than both programs at the current time. That could change
next season, but BYU has been much better over the last five years without
question. Kona could always come back to BYU if he wanted to as a walk on for
one year. That would definitely make for some awkward dinner conversations in
the Schwenke household.
This is NOT a BYU only issue. EVERY school has similar issues EVERY year. BYU
has a policy to deal with these circumstances so they can give scholys to those
that are fully committed to BYU. Kona has a right to do what he did and so does
BYU.Kona verbally committed early and was promised a scholy. Last
minute he decided to look around. BYU reminded him of the policy that if he
looks around after making a verbal commitment to BYU then BYU can't promise him
a scholy.No big deal. They both knew what they were doing and what
the consequences were. I don't see deceit, dishonesty or hipocracy, just a 17-18
year old that changed his mind and wanted to make sure he was making the right
decision. Two people doing what they have the right to do and knowing exactly
what the consequences were. Kona is a great player and would have
helped BYU tremendously. BYU coaches have to be disheartened that he chose to
look around. Kona is a great athlete and I wish him the best. I hope he realizes
that in the end BYU is for him!
To the 4:12 commentator, Maybe over all time Notre Dame has been better
than BYU, but does that matter for current players? I think if you want
to be a player on a team that will win, you will care more about the last five
years or so than the record for the last century plus.
I am with Tom Rose above. I think people should not commit until they are
committed. Maybe we should have a limit to how early people can commit. I
wonder if commitments to teams have been pushed too early. I think we need to
not allow so early commitments.
The 8:16 commentor has a good point. Bronco has to make sure the players he
brings in really want to stay there, because the last thing he wants is another
honor code violation scandal and the player switching elsewhere. For
Bronco what he needs to measure is a players commitment and loyaty to BYU. If
they lack these, than they are a potential risk.
A verbal commitment isn't set in stone is it? I thought until you signed you
could visit as many schools as you like. Shouldn't you take your best offer?
How do you know what your best offer is if your a junior and you haven't even
played your senior season yet?
go away yewts! Seriously, all of u haters have no valid points, atleast none of
which make any sense. Why dont all of you take a note from one of your own that
being Gunther, who was quoted saying that the savior of the ute program himself
that being Urban Meyer threatened him to yank his scholarship away when he asked
if he could go visit another school. Its called recruiting and yes its a game
all schools do it. So sorry your beloved yewt recruiting class has no top
notch recruits to speak of, but come on, bad mouthing Big Brother down south
serves no purpse, unless of course it make you feel better.Go
The one phrase that comes to mind is "get over it". This is not the first time
this has happened to ur program and it will not be the last. Stop roasting the
kid. Can everybody tell me at the age of 18 we all were thinking about anybody
but ourselves? If u say yes ur kidding yourself. Nice job w Heaps.
This is being engaged to a hot chick who still wants to date.If BYU
waits for this dude and he decides to go somewhere else, they lose out on
another recruit.He obviously wasn't good enough for them to take
that chance.Come on people, your hate for BYU is clouding every
judgement. Try therapy and some medicine, maybe some yoga but you all have to
get over yourselves.
The excuse to Heimuli, also on the Defensive Line, was that BYU did not have any
scholarships available. As a result, he is looking at several schools,
including Utah. Now that a scholarship is available, why does BYU not go after
him? I understnad he is a top 10 player in the country at his position?
It looks like pride has become an issue to both parties. At this late date,
what difference does it make? 17-18 year old kids need to grow up, but our
coaching staff is already suppose to be there.
No matter what people think about Kona, this teenager is going to do what he
wants to do. I would expect an adult 25+ years and older to be firm in what
they say, you can't expect that from a high school kid. The old saying goes,
"promises are made to be broken." I don't care what business you are in. BYU
and its fans need to take a chill pill and quit hating Kona because he decided
to go look around. College football is a business, believe it or not. Players
have de-committed from other schools to commit to BYU, I don't think BYU or its
fans would complain about that, now would they. Its a two edge sword. You win
some, you lose some. Same goes for recruiting, BYU is NOT a BCS school, so
recruits will be tempted to go checkout a powerhouse school with a "big name",
tradition, and history. You may want to burn Kona at the stake for this, but
wouldn't expect that from Mormons, but we are all humans not exempt from
bitterness, hate, anger (its human nature).
This is so simple it has nothing to do with Notre Dame and it is a lesson for
all of us in this economy. The cougars are over booked on scholy's and some kid
thinks he has one locked up. So he is acting a bit bullet proof in the mean time
Coach M is looking for an excuse to pull a scholarship. So here comes this kid
who gives him an excuse. problem solved. That is a great life lesson for
I believe Heaps talked APO into changing schools, it wasn't the coaches.
Or should I say small minded 12. Jake Heaps had the press conference, NOT BYU.
Get your facts straight or get off the Internet. Because it shows your lack of
knowledge. BYU is not making this an issue. It is the bloggers like you who
are making it a big issue. Get a clue on life and make cogent comments that are
supported by fact. BYU can't comment on this and Kona's dad is counting on
throwing out his garbage to cover his lack of Integrity. Those who
say BYU went after Riley Nelson have not given one single shred of evidence
where Riley Nelson said they came to him and talked him into changing schools.
Not one single schred of evidence. NCAA rules said when a player leave a school
for on year or longer their is not commitment to that school any longer.NCAA could solve this very easily. Rule 1. You make a verbal
commitment to a school, all future trips to another school are off. Rule 2. Any
school offering more scholarships than they have available will lose a
scholarship for each case. That loss will be for two years. Case Closed.
The so-called real program chickened out and droppped BYU from their schedule
after this coming fall. If they are so great why not come to BYU and show us
how the BIG BOYS play. Give me a break Huskey Fan. You should be in Alaska
pulling a dog sled.
Dear Anonymous 4:12It's sooo sad zoob nation must always attempt to
validate their program. Do you ever think the day will come that zoob's will not
find the need to rely on mind freezing stats and spin? A great first step would
be to go to and WIN a BCS game.. Until then, it's just sad.
All time history does favor ND & Wash1) ND 837—291—42
(.733); 11 NC, last one in 1988; 14-15 all time in bowls2) Wash
656—398—50 (.617); 2 NC, last one in 1991 (split with Miami);
16-13-1 all time in bowls3) BYU 494—372—26 (.568); 1 NC
1984; 10-17-1 all time in bowls* National Championships (consensus,
AP or Coaches)Last 30 years1) 269-110-2 (.709); 1 NC;
10-13-1 in bowls; 15 Top25's2) 230-126-4 (.645); 1 NC; 7-13 in bowls
(includes an NCAA record 9 consecutive bowl losses); 13 Top25's3)
217-139-3 (.609); 1 NC; 11-9 in bowls; 13 Top25'sWould you believe
the order of the last 30 years is 1) BYU 2) ND 3) Wash.Yes that is
right folks all time history those teams have better stats. Last 30 years BYU
is tops.Past 10 years favors BYU even more and that would include
the dark years under Crowton. BYU 81-44; ND 70-52; Wash 49-71Rescent
success has relevance in addition to tradition and history.
You can't commit earlier and take the safe harbor that is having secured your
Div I scholarship you so much sought after, and then later flirt with other
schools a week before signing day and AFTER you just barely came in and took
part in the team building trip to BYU.The kid had no leverage which
is generally why they commit so early and then at the end somehow believed he
had leverage as if he was some 5 star recruit. Hopefully things work out for
him. He may end up like the LB that went to supposed "greener" pastures at USC
only to rarely sniff that very pasture and is now headed back to BYU after
red-shirting this year. Both he and Kona waffled at the end.Nothing
wrong with this at all but like most things in life, it's okay for everyone else
to do just not BYU or the Mormons. Pretty amuzing.
Your elitist attitude and false sense of superiority based upon Conference
affiliation, has been exposed for the fraud that it is. You
know...Vanderbilt, Duke, Louisville, UConn, Baylor, Iowa State, Washington
State, Arizona,Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Mississippi St. North
Carolina State, etc. all play in BCS conferences. And nobody,
including new recruits , believe they will ever play in a BCS bowl, Ever!Also, glancing the last 4 years of the final top 25 polls, I do see BYU,
Utah, TCU, Boise, and yet, Washington is nowhere to be found.I see
BYU producing Super Bowl winning QB's and NFL and Super Bowl MVP's and yet
nobody from Washington? Huh!Don't see a Washington player with a
...Heisman...Outland...Doak Walker or Sammy Baugh attached to it,
but we do see BYU players with their names on these trophies, don't we now?Didn't see a Husky make the Consensus All-America team this year either,
and yet, BYU's Dennis Pitta did.Also you won't see any former
Washington player playing in next week's Super Bowl, but you will see former BYU
players.However-Washington will come back, with "BYU's own
To Kona BYU doesn't...Post your BYU degree, so we can all see
it...we don't believe you!Nice try Ute.
value you and doesn't deserve you. This is typical of the BYU attitude (and I am
a BYU grad). It is BYU's way or the highway. It is the idea that everybody is
expendable. No loyalty at all for anything. This is why so many active LDS
(including BYU grads)are not BYU fans. Again, it is that superior, smug,
attitude... Frankly, it is difficult to really put my finger on it. Anyway, I
digress. Kona, you are lucky that this has happened before you signed. Now you
can focus on finding a program that is worthy of your skills.
The kid is 18, he lives on the North Shore Of The Island of Oahu. There is a
chance that except for BYU he has never been further then Honolulu.With a High Speed Modem and Good Dish Reception that does not have to be a bad
thing.ND is Not Stupid, they know he is committed to BYU and they
thought enough of him and their program to invite him and his family anyway.That is not Taking Advantage. That’s taking a Trip. He might like
the L&L Take Out in South Bend better.The NCAA watches this closely
to make sure that No one gets much out of a Scholarship except an education. The Purity of Amateurism and all that.The School and the
NCAA need to have the same rules. Lincoln Freed The Slaves. You have the right
What Mendenhall supposedly said. All we have is unsubtantiated claims from
Kona's dad. I wish that Coach M. himself could address the media about this.
Something about "if you can't follow through on your commitment to attend BYU
then you can't be trusted to keep the honor code?" That's rubbish! Ross Apo
de-committed from Texas. Can he be trusted to keep the honor code? He broke a
committment to another school. Or is the principle it's okay when players
de-committ from other schools to come to BYU, but it's not okay when players
decommitt from BYU to go somewhere else. Either it is fine both ways or it is
not. It's not a one way street. That's what the problem with this is. I'm fine
with what Mendenhall did, but his bringing the honor code comments into it was
not right, because it paints the university and the other players who have
broken promises to other schools in a false light and that isn't fair to them.
Can signing day come so that Mendenhall can address the media and tell us the
I like Mendenhall. I like him being tough.I remember what a change
came over Utah when Urban Meyer came around. There was no "slacking" on his
team. If you were "injured" and couldn't run sprints, you got to life rocks in
his little "penalty area." I remember wishing that BYU could get a "tough guy"
as a coach. Coach Mendenhall has more than met my highest expectations.
To: BleedCougarBlueYes it was an official trip to Notre Dame. Notre
Dame paid for the trip. Dishonest and unfair to Notre Dame? I don't think so.
Notre Dame knew the situation and was willing to make the investment on a small
chance that he would change his mind. Looks like it paid off for them.This is a rule that all athletes are made aware of when they commit to BYU.
BYU does not want their scholarship offers to become safety nets for athletes
who want to shop around. That causes problems on signing day. Players are
welcome to visit as many programs as they want, but it has to be prior to making
their BYU commitment.Drew Phillips faced exactly the same situation
last week. He had commited to BYU and wanted to take family on a free trip to
another program. He was contacted, reminded of the requirements, and canceled
his trip.Is it fair of BYU? Yes. They make athletes aware of the
rule up front and enforce it as promised. They take on enormous risk by offering
kids very early in the process, and require this in return.
Kona and Jamora(UW commit, BYU decommit) got kicked in their league quarterfinal
by a kid that Bronco really should be looking at. Both of these DL 4-star
athletes got rung and dominated for 4 quarters. Not a loss at all.
For all of those drones and cloned blue bloods that keep harping about others "
Hateing " YBU we can all learn about that in Max Hall 101.
I find it interesting that people are calling Mendenhall a hypocrite. He never
said he only wants players committed to a SINGLE university; he said he only
want players committed to BYU. Just because a player plays a year for one
university does NOT mean that when BYU offers them a scholarship they aren't
committed to BYU. In fact, playing at another school for a year might even
strengthen your commitment.
I read one news account from Hawaii that this player told the media that he
wasn't considering attending Notre Dame but he just wanted to show his dad (and
mom too, I believe it said) what the recruiting world was really like so they
were going to go to Notre Dame.OK......so if this was an
official visit to Notre Dame, wouldn't it have been paid for by Notre Dame?And if it was paid for by Notre Dame wouldn't it have been dishonest for
this athlete to use their money in a trip he knew would be fruitless for Notre
Dame?So, something doesn't add up. If he's telling the truth about
wanting to show his parents the college football recruiting experience on Notre
Dame's dime then he's dishonest towards Notre Dame.If he was in fact
NOT just using Notre Dame's money but he really was interested in possibly going
to Notre Dame then he wasn't being honest with BYU.Either way it
looks to me like this kid wasn't being honest with someone and if that's the
case we're better off without him.
Re: Awsomeron, I live in Hawaii so what comes up as 3:15 am is only 12:15 AM
HST. It shows up on the board as MST. Clarity is something that comes and goes
at anytime of the day or night. I just go with the flow. I usually take a nap in
the afternoon so it is not as bad as one might think.Have you ever
heard of anyone who Married the First Person who would Merry them, just to get
out of the house. Doing that often leads to an unhappy life or a Divorce.Being Equally Yoked has to do with more then just Marriage. If you wear
a size 10 shoe and own a Size 11 shoe you would get the idea.Maybe
BYU is Not The Best Fit. Have you read the Moral Code. You cannot do in anyway
what some Football Players Do. Plus you have to report those that do. The Rules are meant to protect the Students. Where he lives
getting a Shot at BYU is like getting the Yellow Ticket on American Idol. Every
Season some don't get on the Plane.He will do well wherever he
He's still welcome to play for us, but scholarships go to those who commit
early. There are a limited number. Makes great sense to me. You might be
surprised to still see him in blue.Also, those that transfer don't
get an automatic scholarship.Bronco would much rather coach a
walk-on who is completely and totally committed with or without money.
Maybe he will change his mind and transfer to BYU later on like Riley Nelson and
others have...Wherever he ends up, I wish him well and hope he will
be happy with that decision. He should be 100% committed.No
intelligent person would expect any less in a marriage or relationship. Coach
Mendenhall has every right to expect that from his recruits just as well.
Otherwise he is doing a disservice to them.
UofU would not have pulled the scolarship, because they have plenty of
scholarhships sitting around at the end of the recruiting period. Not the same
for BYU, as theirs are all used up.
It sounds to me like, "I'm dumping you before you dump me!!!PS. He
is ranked between 3 and 4 stars (78 overall... by way of comparison....
Wunderboy Heaps is an 80)And Husky boy..... (this is coming from a
Utah fan) How did your last meeting with the Cougies turn out??? Just giving our
conference some love!!!
And the rival is even more bitter and jealous about the BCS. They have yet to
go, even with their 1984 championship which I believe they feel is not respected
these days because people around the country respect Utah. Its like that monkey
are your back you want off because you haven't been there or done that yet.
Utah has been to the BCS twice and BYU hasn't. You can also tell BYU is making
every effort to ensure they are recognized on the national stage with
recruiting, amongst other things. They don't want to be considered a "little
brother". I've seen people try so hard but always fall short because they try
too hard. Can't force it, has to come natural, if you know what I mean. Good
luck to BYU.
I'm not a BYU fan but RE: Husky fan is right. Washingtons most storied seasons
aren't recent. And now that you have a former Cougar at the helm you won't be
seeing any good years anytime soon.Sorry.
Really?? You actually said that?? Washington is a REAL program? Wow, talk
about dilusional.Well, now that you have an ex-byu quarterback
coaching, maybe it will become a REAL program in the REAL world-- not the one
you live in.MWC stomped the PAC 10 in their bowls this year-- oh and
yes, Oregon St. and Cal were better than that REAL program you cheer for.
Huskey Fan, you're ridiculous man. Who cares how many "stars" your recruits
have when you perform as poorly on the field as Wash and ND have.
hmmmmm, the kid is a 3 star recruit.... This wouldn't get a second of attention
at a REAL program.Trust me when I say both ND or Wash are looking at
this kid as just another no name but BYU thinks of him as some kinda program
changer.Sorry cougars your so very very far away from having a REAL
It's nice to get attention.
Wow...as a WASHINGTON fan it is nice to be one of espn's top 20 most important
programs of the last 100 years. Having said that I have always had respect for
the fringe programs like BYU. Listening to some of these cougar fans make me
sick. He is just a kid trying to make an important decision while the cards are
still in his hands. We know once he does his ride can be taking away at any time
or he could be penalized for what his coach does while the coach takes another
job to make millions. I have no sympathy for Bronco or any other coach. The
Dawgs just lost one of my favorite recruits to hated Oregon and I still wish him
well except when he plays the DAWGS.
Florida dropped a 5 star recruit because he started to shop around. Meyer
didn't want to get burned on signing day and I don't blame him. Might as well
save the spots for those who have a better chance of showing.
Meyer rescinded an offer too because if a commit isn't solid you run the risk of
getting burned. Might as well give the offer to someone who is going to take
I'll have you know, also, that I served a mission honorably for 2 years. I can
also be a hard nosed non-appropriate mormon word too. But being a communications
major with a public relations emphasis, I'm also smart enough to know that there
are some things that you just don't say publicly. Do I support what Bronco did,
yes I do. Do I even support Bronco calling into Kona's character for not being
honest, yes I do. But to CALL him someone who lacks integrity for de-committing
to another school? That, I question. In principle, he called Harvey Unga, Max
Hall, and all the other players who de-committed from other schools players who
lack integrity. So what justifies it? Is it justified when it favors BYU? The
purpose of the BYU football program is to stand for honesty and integrity as a
flagship for the LDS Church. Are we living by our own principles? ARE WE?
Believe me, if it's justified then I fully support it. As a fan I want just as
much as the next guy to have great athletes on our team. But how is it okay for
Good job Bronco and BYU. Stick with the guys who are committed and ready to
live up to BYUs standards. If they can't walk the walk, get someone who can.
Better that they never come than make a big scene. BYU has much higher
standards regarding committment and morality. Most other schools, including
Utah have lax standards. BYU will loose some recruits but that is just the way
But, if Kona changed his mind to go to another school and that's a lack of
integrity, then what justifies Harvey Unga, Max Hall, Riley Nelson, Uona
Kaveinga, Ross Apo from going back on their commitments to other schools? Answer
me that. That is my only question. How is that any different than what Kona did?
All I'm saying is that maybe Bronco said something that might make him look like
a hypocrite, and I hope for his and BYU's sake that is not the case. Maybe he
went a little far in his righteous indignation and made a mistake with what he
SAID, and HOW HE SAID IT. Is Bronco a great man and a great coach? Absolutely.
Is he immune from making mistakes, even off the field ones? No, it doesn't look
like he is. Maybe what he SAID about Kona was stepping over the edge. NOT his
decision to pull his scholarship, but his PERSONAL ATTACK on his character for
decommiting. Be careful not to judge, lest ye be judged. It is the attitude and
the tone of your last post that make outsiders label us as being self-righteous.
Utes fans or whoever...stop saying that BYU recruited Riley Nelson!Riley's Dad had a deal gone bad with USU and thus the real reason behind the
change to BYU for Nelson. It's been all over the papers but Ute fans loved to
keep bringing it up. Good for Bronco! If you don't want to play
for BYU don't take a scholarship offer. If you want to keep "shopping" don't
take the offer. BYU put themselves out and offered Kona a scholarship before
his senior year. If he had been injured or whatever they would not have taken
it back. I say "see ya Kona" hope it works out for you at Notre Dame.
Not a BYU or Utah fan. I live in Honolulu and know that BYU has a strong
recruiting base in the La'ie/Kahuku/Hau'ula area due to religious affiliations.
That said I would not want to disparage a player from Kahuku and his family
because BYU is not the only game in town for those kids anymore. Oregon State,
Utah, UW, UH, want kids from the Kahuku.
DYEDINWOOLBLUE.....Your ethics are fading!No...Bronko taught a lesson to a young man and his Father, and every future BYU
recruit, a little thing or two about the word "Honor", as in "Honor Code".You make a promise, keep it, or don't make it at all.It's
very simple, see if you can keep up.You cannot rationalize away the
fact that Kona broke his word. That is indeed dis-honorable.Issues
much smaller than this, will get you kicked out of the Service Academies.Too dang bad if that's a little too rough for your liking. You probobly
subscribe to the notion that every team gets a trophy, and don't tread on little
Jimmies self esteem.Take your new age psycho-babbling, mamby pamby,
approach to life and hit the bricks.Your atttitude would not last
one day in the Service Academies, the Marines, or even a Mission for that
matter.We have a generation of wimps in America because of men like
you who won't stand for something and hold a man to his word.I'm
proud of Bronko today, for taking a stand with these spoiled twerps.
Stretching back throughout history UW and ND have much better programs no
doubt.But as far as the past 5 years are concerned BYU blows both of
those schools out of the water as far as winning percentage and ranking goes.So ultimately, do you want a long abandoned tradition of excellence or
do you want to be a part of winning program that looks to be on the rise as far
as national prominence goes. Is BYU there yet? Probably not but if they
continue on the course they are on, i.e. 11-2, 10-3, 11-2, 11-2 plus finishing
in the top 25 each season, they will become a nationally recognized powerhouse
just as BSU is starting to do after their consistency throughout the last
decade.Ultimately ND's new coach may lead them back to prominence
only time will tell. Bronco Mendenhall's time is starting to tell what kind of
a progarm he is building - and numbers don't lie.
Thank you for putting some National perspective on zoobie logic.I
really think they're brain washing in the Provo compound.
Kudos to Drew Phillips, the running back from Alabama, who saw all that was
going on with Kona and cancelled his trip to Cincinnati. Regardless of whether
any of us agree with Bronco's calculated risk (threatening to pull Kona's
scholarship, risking the loss of a highly-touted, 4-star defensive lineman, and
subjecting himself to all of the scrutiny here and elsewhere)one thing is
indisputable by either side: Drew Phillips got the message loud and clear and
set a fine example of what honoring a committment is all about.
Notre Dame Wins: 837 Losses: 290 Ties:42 0.733 wining percetage (ranks #2 all
time) 4-2 vs. BYU 11 national championships Washington Wins: 658 Losses:
404 Ties:50 0.641 wining percentage (#18 all time) 4-3 vs. BYU 2 National
chanpionshipsBYU Wins: 505 Losses: 374 Ties: 26 0.572 wining percentage
(#39 all time)Really....BYU is a better both UW and Notre Dame??
Intresting stuff they're smoking up there :)
I'm as loyal of a BYU fan as you will ever meet, and a huge supporter of Bronco
Mendenhall. He is a great coach, and has done tremendous things for BYU. I have
never called into question anything he has ever done or said.I think
Bronco did the right thing by giving Kona a choice of his BYU scholarship and
telling giving him a choice. For the first time though. . .Bronco supposedly
said something that still doesn't quite sit well with me. Him saying that Kona
wouldn't be able to live the Honor Code because of changing his mind about what
school he wanted to go to and questioning his integrity? What about all the
other players that have de-committed to play at BYU? What about their
integrity?I think what he did was fine, and giving Kona a choice was
fine, but to call a someone's integrity into question based on wanting to change
schools was wrong. I think them wanting to take a free trip to Notre Dame with
their money wasn't honest, so questioning that might have been justified, but
not his wanting to change schools. Bronco made a mistake.
SLC said:"Utah fans = HATERS.Pathetic."BYU fans = HATERS. Pathetic
Call me crazy, but could this open up room for another Defensive line stud: one
Ricky Heimuli?? I mean the guy was going to commit to the cougs before he found
out there were no scholarships. It would be a long shot, but maybe they could
try and mend the relationship with Heimuli.
"Please stop beating me."It's always wise to cut the head off a
snake (bronco) even if you think the snake is dead. Just to make sure.
Dead Horse IS funny.
Please stop beating me.
It is great to be HATED! Means we are winning on the field and on the court.
Throw that in with your typical Mormon-haters out there and I understand exactly
why BYU is hated! Go Cougars!
Why do "Utah = Haters" ever care about this? The kid isn't going to BYU so
REJOICE! This is one less defensive player you need to worry about.But I guess the stereotype runs true - Utah = Haters.Pathetic.
Guate says: "Those of you who are making the argument that Bronco is being
hipocritical are intellectualy lacking."*************************Guate - I think you are making too much of those that accuse Bronco of being
hipocritial.I have never... ever heard Bronco say one word critical
of hippos. I think the whole issue is being overblown by
oversensitive hippo activists that should just chill and get a life.
This is directed to the person who asked me this question:"But can
you help me understand if Bronco is a hypocrite by recruiting athletes who have
committed to other schools?"Please read my post a little more
carefully. I explain exactly why Bronco is not a hypocrite by recruiting
athletes who have committed to other schools. Just as there is nothing wrong
with ND and UW recruiting Kona, there is nothing wrong with Bronco inviting a
committed player on an official visit to BYU.The problem is when the
committed player accepts the invitation...
'But can you help me understand if Bronco is a hypocrite by recruiting athletes
who have committed to other schools?'Yeah. If Bronco had said that
the COACHES or UNIVERSITIES were unethical for trying to recruit committed
players then, yes, he would be a hypocrite. All he is saying is that if you as a
player commit to BYU and pull some stunt 4 days before signing day we'll give
you're schollie to someone who is committed.
Okay Guate, I think I follow your superior intellectual and ethical logic
that there is nothing hipocritical in Bronco's actions.That seems to
apply well when he recruits hippos.But can you help me understand if
Bronco is a hypocrite by recruiting athletes who have committed to other
'Yawn. Not a big deal happens every year at every decent program. But you fools
who say BYU is as good as program as Washington or Notre Dame you are wrong.
Just cause they have had several years of mediocreness doesn't mean your program
is better. Geez MWC is so overrated and so stuck on their greatness...haha'Actually I think its been this way for at least the last five years now.
When has ND or UW finished with a higher ranking than BYU anytime in the last
five years?? ???MWC destroyed the Pac-10 this year. Pac-10 is a joke in both
football and basketball.
"Utah fans = HATERS.Pathetic"BYU has worked long and
hard to be hated. As a Air Force fan I can assure you all the teams in the MWC
are BYU HATERS... not just Utah.
Yawn. Not a big deal happens every year at every decent program. But you fools
who say BYU is as good as program as Washington or Notre Dame you are wrong.
Just cause they have had several years of mediocreness doesn't mean your program
is better. Geez MWC is so overrated and so stuck on their greatness...haha
' "Neither UW nor ND are as good of programs as BYU"Outside of Donko
land, no one would agree with this statement. 'Thats funny... EVERY
single poll last year thought BYU was better by a large margin...
Those of you who are making the argument that Bronco is being hipocritical are
intellectualy lacking. The fact that you are saying the coach or
the school is hipocritical would have to mean you think Bronco is arguing that
other schools should not recruit student/athletes who have already made a
committment. That is simply not the case. Bronco is NOT saying that other
schools can't recruit his commits. Nor is he saying that he can't recruit
commits from other schools. That would be silly.What he is saying
is that it is not OK for one of the two committed parties, in this case Kona or
BYU, to back off his committment. In this particular case ND and UW are not the
committed parties, and therefore, they can pursue Kona all they want. Similarly
BYU was not one of the committed parties in the Nelson, Unga or Hall cases. If a BYU commit chooses to back off his committment, BYU is no longer
willing to commit its time, resources and risk to that player.There
is absolutely nothing hipocritical, wrong or unethical about that. In fact, it
makes perfect sense.
BTW....we are talking about the minor leagues and a good minor league program.
In the end Byu and Bronco can't afford to be so picky.
"Neither UW nor ND are as good of programs as BYU"Outside of Donko
land, no one would agree with this statement.That cleet marks on
your forhead from 4 star talent leaving for better programs is all you need to
Utah fans = HATERS.Pathetic.
I'm not sure that BYU is burning bridges in Hawaii. I think BYU is giving
chances to plenty of people. The issue is what happens with these chances. If
BYU keeps getting burned by commitments that fall through, I assume BYU will
focus elsewhere. I would expect that to be the case with any school. Why keep
going to where you're going to get burned?
Good job coach! No problem here, the Schwenke family should have at least
de-comitted and released the scholarship offer if they wanted to check out
another school. For Mr. Schwenke to try to take down BYU while his son waffled
on his decision is cheap. He was trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Amen to what Henry said.If BYU would refuse to talk the
players after they have committed to other schools, Bronco's indignation would
be more compelling.
"Kona's dad is a joke and he's trying to make BYU look bad over this."That's funny. BYU and Mendenhall have never needed assistance in making
themselves look bad.
I guess I would be more impressed if BYU refused to talk to players that had
committed to another school, Riley Nielsen and Harvey Unga being two prime
examples. It seems BYU only trots out the sermon on "keeping your word" when it
works in their favor.
BYU needs to realize some young men are just that. Plenty of kids not sure about
what they want to do could easily come in to BYU and find themselves. Football as a missionary tool needs to be understand to the fullest. Bronco
has had success on the gridiron and in producing stalwarts. Still, I think their
is a some narrow-mindedness going on in Provo. Here's more valid ammunition for
those looking at BYU as holier than thou. Kona has friends and
family who could lose their respect for BYU. Many BYU fans don't care about
that. I say they need to care more and quite hating on Utah and other schools by
justifying any detractors as heathens. Oh the judgment train cometh.
BYU may have lost some needed talent and depth on the defensive line, but that
doesn't mean we can't hold our own in the trenches, we did it last year with a
really thinned out offensive line, we can do it with the defensive lineman on
the roster.Matt Putnam, Romney Fuga, and Vic So'oto are all really
good and can be just as good as the last starters we had given some time. Fuga
is bigger and stronger than Tialavea was but needs to develop his overall
ability. Jan Jorgensen was a player and a leader, but Vic So'oto has more
athleticism speed an more of a mean streak than Jorgensen. Matt Putnam has made
a name for himself and could be as good or better than Brett Denney in a
year.On the two deep one exciting player is Alani Fua. I think he
has more potential than Schwenke. Keep your eyes out for him in Spring Ball.
Eathyn Manumaluena (who won the bowl game for us) will be back off a mish. The
one spot to fill is the backup right side. This could finally be Steven Fisher's
time to shine!
Konas Dad should have put down his pride. It would have been better for Kona.
BYU is really a drama queen institution. Every little thing is a big deal, their
world is coming to an end. When Heap comitted to them they called for a press
conference (in the bar I might add)to let everyone know that they got a good QB.
Then all of sudden when certain things are not going their way they start
throwing a tantrum (i.e Stanley USC, TeO ND, Kona may be ND). Get over it, BYU
football program is mediocre at best. BYU fans are a bunch of faggetts anyway.
BYU fans just concentrate on your church ball.
Those who say that Bronco is out of line are the same type who will throw a ring
on their fiancees finger, then hire one final crew of exotic dancers and rent a
motel room for their bachelor party. They then call the whole thing off when
that "control-freak" doesn't "trust them". Kona and his dad are playing games.
If he was truly dedicated to BYU, he wouldn't have hesitated to cancel those
entirely unnecessary additional trips (see: Drew Phillips). They tried to game
Bronco into holding a scholarship while they worked for something better, and
There are two sides to the story. And the alleged honor code comments aren't
helping byu's case. Kona's dad has been suspect, but byu doesn't appear to be
free from guilt. Pulling the scholly for a visit? No problem with that, but
questioning the kid's ability to live an honor code as a result? Low.
Wow. thanks for noticing the time frame. I'm sure TWO DAYS after Aggie fans got
the news about Riley Nelson they were freaking out too. And I'm quite sure BYU
fans will be over it in TWO YEARS, PROBABLY a LITTLE sooner, I'm thinking. Come on, use that thinking cap before you write.
Kona's dad is a joke and he's trying to make BYU look bad over this. That's
really classy to bash BYU to the media when you know the coaches are forbidden
from commenting on it and defending themselves. Just fess up to the fact that
you cared more about taking a free trip on ND and UW than you did about your son
going where he committed to go and stop blaming BYU. If Kona were commited to
BYU then he'd care more about keeping his scholarship offer there than taking a
trip to hang out. Now his father is playing the blame card because he probably
realizes his own stupidity.Neither UW nor ND are as good of programs
as BYU. UW is certainly heading in the right direction, but not there yet and
ND just fired its coach. It's a shame Kona's dad is such a joke that he cost
his son a great opportunity, but I'm sure that trip to freezing south bend in
January will be worth it for you. Have fun with that.
Amen to what "It's all really quite simple" said.And another
piece of advice, young men, don't make a commitment to another school and then
expect an offer from BYU.If you've committed to another school, as a
matter of principle, Bronco will not recruit you or extend an offer to you,
Riley Nielson bailed on my program for BYU, but we Aggies don't care about that
at all. It's not like we were so bent out of shape about it that we went crying
to the NCAA demanding a rule change. It's not like we post bitter comments
about Bronco Mendenhall on message boards TWO YEARS later. Of course not, we
are so over it. Only a whiny little girl with no self dignity would hold a
grudge for over two years, and that's definitely not us. Go Aggies!
To future college athletes:A committment, whether verbal or written,
IS A PROMISE! Period. If you want to take recruiting trips, BEFORE you commit to
a school, THAT'S FINE! Trip yourself out until you're blue in the face! But
DON'T go back on your word AFTER you've given your word!Now, CAN you
go back on your word? Sure, you are free to do so, but there will be
consequences for it. I would make a safe bet that 99 out of 120 other college
coaches would have done the same thing Bronco did. There are
hundreds of college athletes that have done this the right way. Jake Heaps is a
prime example, he had like 30 offers, he took visits, he thought all of them
through, and then he made his choice. Simple as that.What happened
is a more attractive opportunity to Kona (Notre Dame) presented itself late.
Notre Dame had no intention of recruiting Kona until they lost some of their own
defensive recruits. Bronco was testing out Kona's committment level, and it went
how he thought it would.Kona is now better off, and in the long run
so is BYU.
after reading kona's father's remarks, im convinced that he is the main problem
In the business world of college football it is wise to have your bases covered
whether you are the recruiter or the recruitee. D-1 coaches often times offer
nearly TWICE as many scholarships as they have available with the understanding
that they can pull an offer at ANY TIME. That's called having a backup plan and
CYA. I think it would be naive for a recruit not to have a similar plan. CYA
and commit to a good school early. Trip later if good options become available
and choose the best option still on the table. Go where you really want to go
and don't buckle under the hard selling tactics of professional salesmen. Please
don't live in the past either. Last year's record for each team isnt nearly as
relevant as coaching tenure and recruiting class makeup. ND and UW both have
huge upsides with new coaches and strong talent/recruiting bases. That's the
difference between those who make things happen and those who wonder "what just
happened?". Learn from the past, live in the present and plan for the future.
Don't worry BYU the Huskies will welcome this fine young man with open arms.To
bad your recruiters are burning the bridges over in Hawaii but that's OK well
take the cream of the crop when it comes to the great athletes that come out of
the south pacific.
I hate to break it to BYU fans, but Kona's not "losing out" at all. BYU is a
2nd-tier, 2nd-rate, non-BCS program. Nobody cares. It's cute when the Broncos
do well, just like when BSU does well, for example. But at the end of the day,
Kona's a 4-star recruit who will make a big-time program (either UW or ND) very
happy in a couple of years on the DL. BYU fans need to get over themselves,
because the only one "losing out" in this transaction is you. Happy middling
your way through the non-BCS. You'll never be relevant. Accept the truth.
RE: ridiculous Remember Manti Teo (?) the guy from Hawaii that was such a
good linebacker ? Broncow thought he had him sewed up but what does he do when
the kid orally commits to Notre Dame... that's right he ships Brandon Doughman
over to the islands to camp out on the doorstep and talk to dad for a week. Don't you agree that The coaches at the Y are just a bit schizophrenic...
Say one thing then do another when YBU is on the short end. Something is
just not right about this article.
This seems ridiculous. Would Bronco do the same to Jake Heaps? Is this common
BYU practice? Not cool.
Hey, for anyone having a little problem understanding what "committment" means,
go read the Jan 27 story in this same sports section about Joshua Quezada. See
if you can spot the not-so-subtle difference between him and Schwenke.
Hey utes, you are the biggest whinners in the world. Guess what, BYU is better
than you in football and in basketball. There is nothing you can do about this.
This assures the rest of us that you utes will continue to whine and show your
true colors. Utes want your binky?
Phillips gave his word...100% committed to BYU so he cancelled his trip to
Cincinnati. Bottom line he showed that he's more mature and wise than Kona. Good on ya coach!
It is fact that a byu coach first contacted the family or a friend of the family
in the Nelson trasfer case. That was reported in both papers.After
they fact they 'forget' who contacted who.
"If you pull a Scholarship form a Student for just Visiting another Campus that
is wrong."No, it isn't "wrong" to do that. It is the program's
POLICY to do that after a player has committed to the school. Many other schools
have this same POLICY. If it appears highly likely the kid has changed his mind
and is going to go somewhere else then the coaches will want to give that
scholly to another kid who really wants to be in their program."The
Coach is right. You should really want to go to BYU or Not Go There. However you
should have the right to look."He did have the right to look. But he
gave it up by verbally committing last summer and saying BYU was where he wanted
to be and not at any other school. What he should have done was not commit so
quickly, make ALL the trips he wanted, and THEN accept a scholarship offer to a
school.So you were actually up at 3:51am posting your comment, huh?
I think that might have affected your ability to think clearly.
My frail, feeble and extremely dilusional cougar friends......wait, I have no
cougar friends. Let's just call you the "misguided". This deal is nothing more
that a picture into the world in which you exist, a picture that reveals how
ignorant of reality you actualy are. BYpew will never again bask in the
national glory of football reverance. Events like this will not galvanize the
young and upcoming mormon athletes out there, it will make them question the
heart of the staff and face it, you can't do it on mormon athletes alone, BYpew
has to bring in high quality non-mormon athletes to compete and this is going to
close that door. While I find nothing good about the state of Utah aside from
your snow, this brings a smile to my face, go utes, I guess.
I've never commented before, but I just have to say... I love rivalries. Ute
fans acting like everything Bronco and BYU does is so different than any other
school in the country. I would suggest this Uties... learn what other schools
do before you comment. USC, Texas, Ohio St., Florida, and even the school you
cheer for all offer more scholarships then they have. Everyone knows that kids
change their minds, and you'll loose some to get back to the number you have.
No different than airlines overbooking flights. And pulling scholarships is
very common for uncommitted recruites at all schools. You never hear of them
because its a no news issue. Of course when you look through your Crimson
glasses, everything BYU does is exotic and unjust. My suggestion to
you Uties... just worry about how bad and embarressed your team is going to be
tonight in Provo, and try hard to wake up tomorrow morning not feeling like your
life is over.
One thing's certain: Either Washington or NotreDame will be getting a motivated
(angry against BYU) recruit.
I like it. Bronco wants kids that are committed to BYU. So do I.
Thanks 9:59,High school kids need to know that they aren't given
"free trips" to colleges everywhere just because. If Kona was "100%" committed
to BYU then it is a lack of integrity to waste "Notre Dame's" money. Nothing is
free. This economy needs to figure that out. Quit looking for free rides and
hand outs. No one owes you anything you haven't earned.
Are we kidding ourselves when we think that BYU is the only school that does
this! EVERY SCHOOL IN AMERICA DOES THIS! All I can say is that it is about
time that BYU gets with the rest of the nation. BYU will survive with or
how fair is it to either school if they committed already to one, and expect the
other school to shell out the cash just to entertain them ? Don't do this
when you get job offers either; if you're certain you're going to take one job
- cancel with any others you have lined up and explain that you don't want to
spend their money. I had a kid make that call to me about 25 years ago, and he
called me 3-4 years later and asked if I knew of any open positions, he'd been
downsized - I hired him on the spot due to his earlier integrity and honesty...
You called the Utes new Texan o lineman a midget at 6 3. How bout you look at
that new "holy" midget of yours in Heaps; 6 1. If you got such a big line, how
will he see over it?You guys will miss Kona. This is the truth and
you know it, you have no D line at all. You lost 3 starters and 2 backups and
now you lost Kona and Bronson is going on a mission and is hurt.
I love what bronco is doing your either committed or your not.Like everyone has
said good luck at 500 or under N.D. Or for that matter Washington.Kona you
really screwed up Manti didnt do anything last year, and niether will you.
Sounds like to me the party life best fits you.
Two things come of this;Kids are going to think twice before
committing to BYU so early. And, Kids who do committ will understand that their
committment is binding. Both are good things.
The biggest question with Kona is this:If he was 100% committed to
BYU, why did he wait until a week before signing day to take recruiting "visits"
to other schools?I don't blame BYU's coaches for being a little
suspicious of Kona's true intentions given the timing.
sow. before someone goes nuts about spelling and grammar
If ND doesn't offer him, the Utes will. They are always willing to go after BYU
You reap what you sew. Again
Won't it be hilarious if Notre Dame doesn't even offer this guy? Too much
shopping around should carry some consequences.
When Jim Boylen was asked on the radio what he would do it was the exact same
thing.He makes a good point of all the peoples time at another university you
are wasting by going after you've already made a commitment.I don't like BYU at
all but chances are Whit would do the same.
It's about time. Remember Ngata, who lied to Crowton? BYU shouldn't take these
guys at their word because they lie. If they can't keep a commitment to stick
with the Cougars, they won't be able to keep commitments for 4 years.
1. Why would ND, Cincinatti or any other program use their resources to bring in
a kid who is publically saying he has committed to another school and is just
looking for a fun trip for his dad and uncle or to hook up with some friends? I
suppose they are still hoping to convince the kid otherwise but it sure seems
like a waste in a very tough financial environment for almost all universities.
Student services are being cut while spoiled athletes are being flown around the
country when they are admittedly just looking for a fun litle trip.2. Obviously we would now expect Mendenhall to refuse to bring any kid in who
has verbally committed to another school. Even if there are hints that he could
be persuaded otherwise. Unless he officially decommits Mendenhall should not
influence kids to be dishonest even if it is to BYU's potential advantage.3. I hope Mendenhall did not really insinuate that if this kid tripped
to ND then he may not be able to keep the honor code. That sounds more like
Roger Reid talking points than anything. Use the LDS angle as a carrot not a
lets not forget that we are talking about a 17 to 18 year old kid here. Playing
"hard ball" when YOU promised a child a scholarship is not living right off the
In perspective if a guy asks a girl to marry and she accepts and a date is set,
and then two weeks before they say I do, she want to try out another guy, it's
time to dump the girl...
is really THIN ! What happened to all the yappers last week when some Ute
recruits decommitted ? All of the sudden we are talking about honor and
committment. And the spin..........Easy for Bronco to throw a kid out in the
media who was going to leave anyway, just to say he did it first. Why would
this kid go to a school who doesn't have a D lineman of note in the NFL in who
knows how long ? And Ute fans, who cares about Harvey Unga ? It sure doesn't
feel like we missed out on anything special. And for everyone else, I don't
ever hear Kyle crying through the media about things like Mendenhall does even
though I'm sure he gets frustrated too. Man vs gradeschool mentality and
Why can't you go away? I didn't read anywhere in this article that made mention
of the University of Utah, yet the discussion ALWAYS comes back to the hatred
between these schools, no matter the topic. You people need to get a life, and
probably a job too. You and your fans are pathetic.
I read the article and most of the comments. Here is all I ask. If the news
writers write some story about Utah or their program, what ever it is. BYU
fans, please don't write such stupid things like the BYU haters are saying about
this article. This was pretty well cut and dry. The Utah fans are so hateful,
and they sure look dumb.
This is a high school kid...he doesn't have it all figured out. It's rediculous
that BYU is so insecure. If a kid commits, but then wants to be sure he's at the
right school and wants to visit other schools, he should be able to take those
"If the NFL came calling for Mendenhall and he checked out a pro team....."Please. Let's keep our posts in the realm of reality.
The coaches sounds a little insecure if you ask me! Let the kid see what is out
What does the word commitment mean? Do not commit until you are ready to commit.
Our word should be our BOND!
@DiggerYou can not be [email protected]! Most young men take trips even
after commiting, I did and guss what? I still attend the university I commited
to. As for missions, that is a preference for the individual. It
appears you are attempting to say they are bad LDS if they do not take a mission
trip...Finally, If you thing Washingting or ND is going to be 500 or
worse over the next five years you need to share some of that weed you have been
smoking. I guess you will find out September 4 when the Huskies come to Provo.
Most are picking the Huskies to be one of the most improved teams in 2010. They
bring a senior QB on the Heisman watch list and a veteran team that has many
upper classmen at skill positions. I think it should be a good game
but be careful when a proud football school that has endured 7 years of
frustration comes to town. I could get ugly for the cougs.
Try again:BYU is a hard School for a lot of reasons. A lot of people
think twice or as many times as they need to and go somewhere else.NCAA allows Students to Visit X Number of Campuses and check out the programs.
The Student has the right to do this.If you pull a Scholarship form
a Student for just Visiting another Campus that is wrong.It is Not
Communist or China, because No One Makes You Do It At The Point Of A Gun. BYU can have the Rules it wants to have, but Not Everyone is going to
follow them, perhaps it's best all around if he goes elsewhere.South
Bend has an Institute Of Religion. This Kid is among the Best In The
Nation. From a State Champ Team. ND will be on National TV 500 or
Not. If they Win 7 they will be in a Bowl Game. ND = Ratings.Also
the Mission Pressure will be off, and the Social Development can take place at
the Normal Rate.The Coach is right. You should really want to go to
BYU or Not Go There. However you should have the right to look.
Perfect, that's just the attitude we need from the Huskies coming into our
house. . .It'll be fun to unpleasantly surprise you.
If it is as reported in another blog his dad says that he was only going to
visit his friends, but was not going to seriously look at the program, then this
young man has an integrity problem. To d0 that in the business world, to have a
business pay for my expenses and flights to accomplish something, then I go and
do something else is called fraud. ND would have been right to bill the entire
expense back to the family for this young man's vacation.If you
change your mind before signing day then have the guts to stand up and call the
coach and say, you have a change of heart. According to his dad he prayed about
it and felt BYU was the right place. IF that is the case then he knew the
answer and should have let ND know that he had no interest in their program. To
do what he was doing is blatantly dishonest. Honor Code and Honesty go
hand-in-hand. ANyone else who comes on here to justify his actions
simply doesn't understand what Integrity means and needs to look seriously in a
Both of you are as clueless as the day is long.Hailstorm: You must
have been hit in the head with too many hailstones. Those scholarships are not
for just this year. Pay attention and you will find out some are for kids who
will come next year also. QUIT TWISTING THE FACTS TO SUIT YOUR HATE.Hypocrite. Again you twist the facts to suit your hate. The NCAA says that
when an athlete has not been in school for 12 months they are released from
their commitment and are free to move or to be talked to. Those are the rules.
So get a life. You are most likely a USU grad and continue to hate and hate and
hate and hate. Grow up.So how about all you self-righteous people
close the mouth and quit searching for garbage, because you most likely have a
ton of it in your own house.
None of your criticisms have any validity whatsoever, but you have proven,
conclusively, that you're simply a BYU hater.Kona has had since last
summer, when he verbally committed to BYU, to do due diligence.IF
was 100% committed to BYU, why did he wait until he was only a week away from
national letter of intent signing day to start his "due diligence"?More and more it sounds like Bronco did the smart thing to challenge Kona's
commitment, since it appears that Kona was already getting ready to jump ship
anyway, and leave BYU high and dry.Now BYU will have time to offer
Kona's scholarship to a player who really is 100% committed to BYU.
is 100% committed to BYU now, which is the only thing that matters.USU fans are simply bitter that Riley decided that BYU was a better fit;
especially with all of the coaching changes that took place at Utah State while
he was on his mission.Riley's situation was not much different than
Ben Olsen, Max Hall, and the miriad other football players who were recruited
while they were serving missions.Anybody who says that missionaries
don't make after mission plans while they're still in the mission field is
simply being dishonest. Practically every missionary I knew had plans for after
their mission that they openly discussed.The President of the Quorum
of the Twelve, in fact, visited my mission and talked with all of the
missionaries about things they should be planning to do soon after their
missions--education and marriage plans being the primary focus.
It really doesn't matter who this kid commits to, Washington is going to smash
BYU in the opener in Provo.
I find it funny that coaches can criticize a kid for taking trips and seeing
other schools. If the NFL came calling for Mendenhall and he checked out a pro
team, should BYU then fire him? Coaches have all the power with respect to
jumping ship and breaking "commitments" to players and Universities, while the
players are virtually locked into the schools to which they sign LOI's even if
their coaches leave (unless they want to sit out a year or go to an FCS
school).Also, wouldn't you want a kid to do his due diligence and then
find out that your school was the best place for him? I think that it is a sign
of weakness and a lack of confidence on Mendenhall's part.An oh yeah, BYU
blows and plays in a lame conference with no chance of winning future national
What does the BYU Defensive Line look like for 2010?It's not as bad
as it seemsI'll start with the bad news:The 3 starters
from 2009- Jan Jorgensen, Russell Tialavea, and Brett Denney are gone.BYU recruited 3 defensive ends for the 2010 class.Bronson Kaufusi
is going to be an awesome defensive end for us. In fact, he was the best one in
the class, but he can't compete due to high school injury, so he will just go
straight on a mission and probably red shirt. So he won't be able to make an
impact until 2 to 3 years from now.Hauoli Jamora from Kahuku
committed and changed his mind to go to Washington, Kona (also from Kahuku) may
just do the same or go to Notre Dame from what it looks like. It hurts cause
both were great players and we needed both of them bad.I'm crossing
my fingers that Vic So'oto can be granted a medical hardship. If so, then we
have a decent starting lineup. The starters would them look to be Vic So'oto,
Romney Fuga, and Matt Putnam. That's not bad.
This is what I hate about players waiting until signing day to tell the schools
where they will go. Dont they know that it hurts the schools that dont get
chosen?I also felt this was a pretty hard line to take but coach
Mendenhall knows more of the details of this recruit than anyone here. In fact,
he has been seen other players go at the last minute and decided he didnt want
that to happen again in this case.Some other player will now get
this scholarship and perhaps both will be happy with their decision.I hate to see BYU lose such a talented player but if he doesnt want to be
there then he shouldnt go.
Kona will commit to Washington! Shame on his dad for being dishonest and a bad
example. Taking money from ND and Washington than saying BYU should trust that
his son is committed to them. Just take advantage of everybody! What a poor
excuse of fatherhood.
Mendenhall is a cowboy for calling this kid out. Is he committed? It would seem
not since he is taking a trip to another school with only a few days until
signing day. If someone is not committed then whether or not he is an amazing
player would only be negated by his wavering to the program. And once again, why
are utes (yuck!) commenting on BYU giving up a scholarship. You guys should be
stoked to hear that BYU has one less recruit to beat you up. But once again,
there is no such thing as a ute fan but only a BYU hater. Go Cougars!!
So was Riley nelson 100% committed to BYU when Bronco recruited him on his
BYU fans. They find some way of twisting every BYU decision to fit their own
warped sense of reality.The most important thing to get from all of
this is that Coach Mendenhall only wants players who are 100% committed to BYU
football.If they aren't, they and BYU are better off having them
play somewhere else.That's all that Mendenhall wanted from Kona, an
assurance that he was 100% committed to playing for BYU.Good luck
Kona. I hope you have a very successful college football career, wherever that
But if they are wavering and then you rescind the scholarship offer, they
definitely aren't wavering anymore and you can so good-bye. I guess I somewhat
understand it because we've seen how many times people are committed to other
schools and then turn around and commit to BYU, so it goes both ways.
He is a kid!!!! He isn't even out of High School!!! You've already got him so
locked up in a commitment that he can't breath wrong or you'll question his
commitment, motives, and intelligence level.Do you not tell your
kids to date around - find out what you like and don't like. I bet you even try
to break your high school kid out of a steady relationship because it might be
too serious. This has nothing to do about eternal relationships. Its a
game!!!Kona I wish you the best! Work hard and find the right fit
that works for you!
Yes Nelson committed to USU. He also went on a mission and RM's can be
re-recruited by any school, per the NCAA. And it was his dad who contacted BYU
and then told Riley they were interested.Yes Kavenga committed to
USC. He also requested a release and got it on his own so he could come to BYU.
It was his idea and desire to switch to BYU.Appo was recruited away
from Texas by Jake Heaps, our future QB who is going to drill utah stupid.Yes Hall committed to ASU. See RM comment above. It was also his own
decision to switch to BYU.Unga was recruited by utah but didn't
commit to them.None of the above committed to BYU and then wavered
showing signs of jumping ship 5 days before national letter of intent day which
would leave BYU with nothing.All you are doing is holding Bronco to
a standard you just made up, expecting him to only accept players for which he
was the original recruiter and not take on players from any other source even
though it was their idea to come to BYU.Nice try whiner.
Oh come on guys...this would not be as big of an issue had Kona taken this trip
well before the last weekend before LOI signing day. LOI day is WEDNESDAY. FEB
3rd. Once Sunday hits, coaches can't try to recruit or contact the guys that
they want. I would highly doubt that any coach would be ok with how the
Schwenke's are handling this. I think it's obvious that Kona was having thoughts
about this previously...so why didn't he man up and tell BYU before 2 days ago?
I liked Bronco when he first started coaching, but every year he's getting on my
nerves. Edwards used to let kids take as many recruiting trips as they wanted
because he knew it was about competition. Trent Williams (kicker) from Provo
High went to Arizona State right after he talked to BYU because he wanted the
free trip. Bronco needs to lighten up. Bronco just ruined every recruiting
chance from Hawaii in the future. Bad move. Give up your pride and let people do
what they need before signing day.
Did you see Texas get Jackson Jeffcoat and Jordan Hicks. The 2nd and 4th rated
player in the nation. Hicks is a complete stud. Watch his highlights and BYU
will be sorry the signed up to play Texas.There is recuiting class is loaded.Texas 45-BYU-14. Im feeling nice.Sorry but I think its ok for kids
to look at all schools. I would want to make sure I am making the right choice
for me. Some people are just build that way.
Come to Utah!! Even if you don't we'll still love ya for not going to
To those few Utes who like to mention that BYU's D-line will be "Swiss Cheese"
next year: At least we know it won't be the Utes running through those holes.
In 2009 the Y rushed 131 yards vs U's meager 97 yards while BYU claimed its
third victory in fours years.To all the Ute fans who cry "Well it
5-3 Utes favor over last 8 years": Not really relevant since the coaching
regimes have changed and the programs are in different eras. At best I'll give
ya that Bronco is 3-2 vs Whit, that's relevant. Yeah, Utes have the overall
series, but do I really care about games that occurred before I was alive (BTW,
pre-1972 the Utes had a 37 - 16 home game advantage, perhaps this explains Y so
many early Ute wins, no?)? Since I've been alive (1972), it's BYU 26 vs Utah 12
games. If this trend continues, it'll be BYU 52 vs Utah 24 by the time I'm
thinking of checking out of this life. Waaaaaaaa....Bronco's a
"hypocrite" because he wants commitment. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Personally, I think the BYU coaches took too hard of a line on this one, but I
don't know the whole situation so maybe there is more to it (and nobody else
posting here knows all the details either). But on paper, I think BYU's stance
was too strong.That being said, hardly anyone is talking about how
dishonest it is for ANY player to take trips after committing. If Kona was
solidly in BYU's camp as he claimed, then he simply wanted a vacation on someone
else's money. That's just not honest. If you're not serious about their school,
don't make the trip.
Coaches can never allow a recruit to dictate things, or run the show. So I say
"see ya later Kona", and glad he's gone. But, I am nervous about they've let
Heaps do a lot of their recruiting for them. Because is Heaps doesn't start next
year, he and his parents might just round up the entire recruiting class of 2010
for a transfer.
You got half of the analogy right. What if you were a single guy cruising for
wives wavering on their husbands? Cool?
Let me see now, BYU has just lost a very highly recruited, talented defensive
end and our Ute friends only care about lambasting Coach Mendenhall??? Ute fans
should be tickled pink that this kid is not going to BYU!This
confirms that there are only BYU haters when it comes to most Utah fans. You
guys hate anything that comes out of BYU. Pretty sad.By the way, my
son goes to the U and I am proud of it. It is a shame that such a fine
institution has sooooooo many pathetic fans.
I'm a season ticket holder and very supportive of Bronco. But if we are trying
to get kids to verbal as early as their sophomore season and then balk when they
want to take their trips that is just wrong. I was recruited and signed at the
Y, but I wanted to take my trips during the process. This was in bad form; the
kids dad said he wanted to still come to the Y. I think the truth is we have
offered more scholarships than we have like we do every year and this is an easy
way out of a commitment to the kid. I don't like it and I think it
sets a sour taste in many peoples mouths. It's one thing to get a verbal from a
senior but we are recruiting kids awfully young and then telling them that they
can't even take a two day visit? COME ON!
i am fully committed to getting season tickets but then again i may just get
Howard, Howard, Howard...show us the evidence of your accusations. There is
none. In fact, the complete opposite is true. Bronco doesn't waste the
university's time and resources on players who have committed to other schools.
BYU got the raw end of the deal.This didn't hurt Kona Schwenke one
bit. He went where he wanted to go. He was fully free to choose where he wanted
to go, and he did. All Bronco did was give him a choice of what he wanted, and
he made his choice. This hurt BYU and other players who would have wanted to be
in his place. If all it was was a trip to see a friend, then he was
using Notre Dame's money to do it. That was a trip that wasn't his right to take
anyway if his intention was never to talk to Notre Dame about playing football
there. I'm sure Kona is a decent young man who is going to be a great player
wherever he goes, but both ways he really was being selfish and not thinking
about how it would affect both BYU and Notre Dame.In the end, BYU is
left without a much needed player at defensive line and Kona will still have a
scholarship where he wants, with his friends, at a big time program. So you
can't really feel sorry for the kid.
Are you sure Unga committed to Utah? The story I very clearly remember being
reported is Unga told both BYU and Utah he was going to the other school and
based his real decision on the respective coach's reaction. Bronco wished him
the best at Utah and Whittingham went ballistic. Hence Unga goes to BYU.
As far as Bronco showing hypocrisy by taking players that decided to transfer or
had committed to other schools he never told Kona he couldn't go, just the
consequences of him going. And he has never refused to release a player that
wanted to transfer. If you don't want to be there, he doesn't want you there.
What is he supposed to infer from Kona taking two trips? And why is he taking
trips if he is fully committed to BYU? Kona did what he felt he had to do and
so did Bronco...end of story.
It's like me, if I told my wife that I'm 100% committed to her, but I'd still
like to date other women and see what's out there. She would send me out the
door, too. BYU may miss out on a great athlete, but he seems to have some
character flaws. If he was genuinely committed to BYU, he's giving up his dream
school for the sake of a little flattery and a free trip to Notre Dame. I
wouldn't want that kind of 100% commitment.
What Bronco is concerned about is loyalty to HIS program, that is BYU.Bronco is willing to commit a scholarship to a player in return for that
player committing to sign a letter of intent to play for BYU.If
player is still out there taking recruiting visits to other schools, BYU has
every right to question whether that player is truely committed to playing
football at BYU, in fact, BYU's coaches would be inept if they didn't keep an
eye on every recruit until they had a signed letter of intent in hand.Scholarships are much too precious to the success of a college football
program to be wasting them because a player you thought was going to sign with
you changes his mind at the last second.
To: HmmmmThe trip Kona was taking was a paid recruiting visit by
Notre Dame, and Kona was claiming to be "visiting friends." There are two
reasons that this is inappropriate. 1. He had verbally committed to BYU so
going on a recruiting trip to Notre Dame are actions speaking louder than words
in terms of his college football interest. 2. If he was still firmly committed
to BYU, as he said, then he is using Notre Dame's money as a free, all expenses
paid trip to visit a buddy. That isn't being honest to Notre Dame. Can I get a
college to pay for a pleasure trip for me to visit friends too? To:
AnonymousSome "island" kids have made less than fully thought
through decisions. There are plenty of players from Polynesia that are fully
committed to BYU. It so happens that some that have broken their promises to BYU
recently have been from Hawaii. If one gets a DUI, one goes to a beer party, and
two others break verbal commitments, how is that BYU's fault?To:
dubbsI'll admit that it sucks to lose him, because he was a solid DL
"How many Ute Basketball players did Majerus just pull the rug out from
under when he was coach?************************Wow...Cougar fans universally despise Majerus and then point to his behavior
as justification for Mendenhall pulling scholarships.Wow... and...
Oh you you... Mojo is no longer the coach at Utah.
There is nothing wrong with trying to get a player from another school. What you
want is a player who will be giving you 100%. If he decides to change schools,
that's his right. If a school wants to revoke their offer, that's their right. I
say good for him to go on to ND. It will be his loss in the long run of
things.BTW, to Re:8:33p.m. above, I have witnesses that beer was thrown on
me at RES. All the Utes who sat there and did nothing and said nothing. Not to
mention my two buddies who were with me. Karma took over though when I saw him a
couple of days later and I stopped in to a 7-11 and saw him working. I just had
to smile and thought to myself, "yeah, he's a Ute, he may not be pumping my gas,
but it is pretty close to it"
Why so much passion and fuss for a game that is played on SUNDAY - the
most holy day of the week?
Still searching for a rational verifiable comment in your post.Care to clarify?
Glad there is a Utah fan out there that understands it.How many Ute
Basketball players did Majerus just pull the rug out from under when he was
coach?The kid knew wht would happen, you you Utah fans just sit and
cry...You guys are really just pathetic little kids.
is just weird.
Example of hater message:"Byu didn't mind taking harvey unga when he
gave his word to Utah. How come Byu and their fans still wanted him. Or max hall
at arizona state. They gave their word somewhere else. What happened to your
code of ethics?"When Unga and Hall left those schools and committed
to BYU, Utah and ASU BOTH rescinded their scholarship offers. When I left The U
and went to UCSB, I no longer went to the U.DUH!!!Kids
move. Non-athletes also go to other schools, and lose any scholarship offer from
the University that gave them the scholarship.The guy knew the
rules, the scolarship was pulled, he's not whining, what's the deal? It's a
college decision, not prison or military service.It's like so many
Utah fans, and BYU haters, they just run at the mouth and throw any logic or
common sense to the wind. It really is too bad so many Ute fans never had the
college experience so they understand what really happens.
"I can't speak for coach Mendenhall," Tidwell said, "but I think his approach
is, he wants kids who want to be here, who are 100 percent committed. If the
kids aren't 100 percent sure about coming to BYU, then it might be best that
they take a trip and go somewhere else."And maybe the trip is how
they make sure.
Kona said he was still committed to BYU, just wanted to visit a few friends in
South Bend. No trust from BYU? Jealousy? Fear? Or...wanting to
get out of a sticky situation BYU had got *itself* into - too many offers and
not enough scholarships.The spin is ripe on this one!
Since BYU continues to recruit players who have verbally committed elsewhere
(Unga comes to mind) this seems a bit heavy handed. The trip to Notre Dame may
have cemented his decision to come to BYU. I can't see where this is evidence of
Next years BYU D-line will be like swiss cheese, You'll be able to drive a
doublewide through it.LOL
Good call Coaching staff. I support what they did 100%.
The "Island" kids (as BYU coaches and fans refer to "them" will remeber
this....Looks like the Hawaii pipline will only grow stronger for
the Utes.FYI: Whit had a great in house with V.J and looks like a 4
star shoe in for next week.
Having spent 10 years in the military, Armored Corp, you need commitment. When
you run a tough program and ask alot of the troops they had both better be
committed. Both the troops and the leaders. Having a soldier in the unit who
isn't committed, they become the weak link. They moan about this and that, loaf
all the time, always day dreaming of being home with the girl friend, on the
beach with his hommies, etc. All the while the mission at hand is lacking
because everyone is having to both pick up the pace to compensate and deal with
having the 'downer.'When we took tough Cav missions it was strickly
volunteer. Only those who wanted to chew dirt with one or two hours sleep for a
few weeks at a time were allowed to particpate. If I were in the
trenches of BYU football I would want no less commitment then what I had in a
different uniform. He is welcome to go to Notre Dame. Let him daydream of
"Touchdown Jesus" all he wants. We stick with 'Rise and Shout' and are pretty
happy for it.Just my huuaaaahhhh speaking!Right on
Problem is 90% committed at BYU may mean that you could end up breaking honor
code rules in the first year and then your value to the team plummets as you are
suspended or expelled. It is more than studs and stars at BYU and that is the
way we like it. Just like at Stanford you've got to have Ivy League grades to
play. At BYU you have to also live the honor code. It is a choice we as fans are
willing to make.
Disloyalty can be rationalized a thousand ways. The truth is
that for Bronco disloyalty to other schools is fine. Disloyalty to BYU is
inexcusable and even reflects poor character.
What a bunch of whinning Ewets. Why don't you all worry about your own program
and the 7 decommits of recent days. You nothing of substance about
the Kona situation and yet you are so loud and outspoken. Bronco has bent over
backwards for Kona in an attempt to get him to BYU.Good luck to Kona
and I stand firmly with coach Mendenhall and his decision.
I'm a ute fan. I get that you want kids that are 100% committed. I get that
bronco has the ability to take away the scholarship offer. What I don't get is
why all you cougar fans are saying you'd be better off without him? Losing a 4
star stud on a team that is losing all of its d-line starters doesn't seem like
a good idea to me. I hate losing recruits too. (Utah lost some good ones this
year as well.) But to say your happy he's not coming to provo is puzzling to me.
I also would have a 4 star that is 90% committed come to my school than a 2 star
that is 100% committed. Just my opinion.
I agree with Win Win...Best of luck to Kona at ND. He will get a
great education and a great football experience. (I hope they stand by him by
following up with an offer.) And I think Bronco wins too. His system
seems to be working just fine and if you want to play in his system, you need to
be committed to his rules. This sends a message to all new recruits what is
expected of a committed player.BYU is getting a lot of great kids
lately. One product of having a successful program is being able to pick and
choose a little. Seems like the stable is full with others banging on the door
to get in.Again, best of luck to Kona and his family.
Most of you need to get your facts straight before comparing athletes. First
off having an athlete change his mind 8 months before signing day (Apo) is a lot
different than coming to a university on a recruiting trip 2 weeks before
signing day and confirming your commitment (Schwenke) and then wanting to trip
to other universities. It is also different for Hall who left on a LDS mission,
came home early and didn't have a scholorship waiting for him at ASU because
they weren't expecting him back so soon. Riley Nelson looked elsewhere on his
own primarily because his father was the team physician at USU but was basically
fired as they gave the contract to another MD group. You can't blame him for
looking elsewhere. Kavenga might have left because his coach was leaving?
Bronco has been up front from day one that he wanted athletes that wanted to be
at BYU. He promised them that when they committed to the Y he would commit to
them and wouldn't pull their scholarship at the last minute, even if a better
recruit were available. Its about time coaches take a stand. Good for Bronco!
Bronco doesn't drag kids through the mud. Not once has he said, yeah this kid is
no longer on the team because he broke a rule, beat up his girl friend, went out
drinking, etc.No Bronco says, this player has decided to leave the
program and we are helping him transfer.There wasn't much talk about
Manti last year for many reasons. One Bronco can't talk about him unless he
signs. Two Bronco wouldn't disparage him. But do you really think that after
Manti went to a beer party on his recruiting trip that the scholarship was still
available to him? Do you think at that point he went to ND over BYU? That would
be hard to do when I'm guessing the scholarship wasn't available anymore.I wish Manti the best at ND and hope he makes choices more aligned with
his chosen faith in the future. But I could understand if coaches at BYU
rescinded a scholarship offer in that situation. If you can't go one weekend
without breaking rules like that how will you go 4+ years?
Oh waaahh waaahhh I'm a Utah fan who's jealous because BYU's recruits are
actually worth talking about. I can't handle the fact that their program is
heading up and we've hit our ceiling and are going back down...The
jealousy from these Ute fans is pathetic and laughable. Go follow your own
Kona will miss out on a National Championship. His loss.Bronco did the right
thing. People need to honor their commitments,and to be fully invested if they
want to play with the best. These men are stripling warriors ready to do battle.
they will crush Texas and all comers in 2011.
He didn't show 100% commitment?Commitment in what? going to Vegas
Bowl ever year and loosing most? Yea, sign me up!Notre Dame can lose
3 or 4 games and STILL go to a BCS game. Oh Yea, and the Nation gets to watch ND
EVERY Saturday.Decisions, Decisions.LOL
It is about loyalty. Bronco told the family that if he didn't have
the loyalty to hold true to his commitment by not taking the trip to ND, then he
didn't have the loyalty to conform to the honor code.If however a
player breaks his commitment to another school in favor of BYU, that doesn't
reflect poorly on their loyalty.Bronco is all about loyalty as long
as it breaks in BYU's favor.
All this story states is that a father of a kid who fully knows his son is
wavering on his committment (or wants him to) told a reporter (not even a DNEWS
reporter) about an interaction with Bronco he says he had. He knows full well
that Bronco can not and likely would not even respond to the accusation. But by
it being reported that his scholarship was being threatened his son would not be
the bad guy in any scenario that unfolds. The recruiting coordinator
did not validate the report. He did mention they wonder about recruits true
committment based on various actions they take, but did not validate this
story.If Bronco did have what seemed to be described in the other
report as being an angry agressive conversation filled with threats of revoking
scholarships then he is not the same person that everyone else that knows him
and talks about him publicly knows. There are too many hounds out there that
would love to air dirty laundry on him. If this 3rd hand accusation is all they
got I'm not convinced it actually happened.Vulchers everywhere
starving because no meat to be found in this story.
No commitment = No scholarshipIt has nothing to do loyalty.It has everything to do with whether the player will actually end up signing a
letter of intent on signing day.Would you really expect Kyle to hold
a scholarship for a player he didn't think was fully committed to signing with
Utah?It's really not that hard of a concept to understand if you
think about it just a little.
Didn't Nelson commit to Utah State?Didn't Kavenga commit
to USC?Didn't Apo commit to Texas?Didn't Hall commit to
Arizona State?Didn't Unga commit to Utah?They all broke
their commitments. Bronco seems fine with the disloyalty of these
de-commits as long as they show unwavering loyalty to their BYU commitment.
Coach Whitt did let a 4 star receiver go to texas am last weekend. I guess it
shows that coach whitt wasn't scared to let a recruit visit. Now the 4 star
recruit is even more on the ute bandwagon. It will be fun to watch teams driving
trucks through your d-line next year though.
Lolz no Quarterback and suspect defense, I would much rather go play at a school
where I could get some recognition for my defensive play. Especially if I would
like to further my football career via the NFL or another professional league.
Hated the Red Raiders when I was at Kalaheo, but they always had a stout
defense. OIA East Ftw!
Coach Mendenhall is allowing Notre Dame or any other college the opportunity to
work with an athlete that isn't committed to BYU. If another athlete decides
that they aren't really committed to some other school and wants to commit to
the Y, I see no reason that this should be prohibited. People can, and have
apparently, changed their minds.So, is Coach Mendenhall being
hypocritical? Not unless he broke his commitment without cause. I think he has
done no such thing.
There is no rule about how many scholarships can be offered in one year. All I
can find is the following:To retain division I status, a football
team must have 76.5 football scholarship players and can carry 85 active
scholarship players.Do you have all the numbers calculated and know
everyone in the programs intentions to know for a fact that BYU only has 22
scholarships available for next year?I'm sure the coaches know a
little more about the situation than you do. To have a coach say we may have
committed more than we should doesn't mean he doesn't have enough scholarships
available for the number of commitments, just that maybe he wishes he would have
held some for next years class that may be shaping up as better than this
one.Bottom line - there is no rule on # of offers per year or # of
scholarships awarded to one class so you don't know anything.Would
it be foolish to offer all scholarships to one class - yes - unless you only
want to have a great BCS season once every 4 years and then dwell in a cellar
the other years :-)
Call Kyle and demand that he never recruit another player who has already
verbally committed to another school.And while you're at it, demand
that Kyle never revoke a scholarship offer to a Utah recruit who doesn't seem
fully committed.Until you do that, who are the real hypocrits here?
Bronco is perfectly happy to recruit players who have committed to other
schools.It escapes him that they are displaying disloyalty to their
commitment by talking to him.But as long as he stands to benefit,
his standards of loyalty become more flexible than when his commits talk to
Your right these players like Kona need to go to Utah where there is no
then why did you bother to read it. I think you are secretly envious of BYU,
which is why you just can't resist reading every tidbit of any article. the only
joke around here is you (well, and a few others too.)
I meant "here" and not "hear", just thought i better correct that before some
Ute goes berserk.
do you know anything about communists? or China? apparently not -
I'm having a hard time figuring out the connection.Also, how is this
"out of touch" with reality rules? guess what, this happens all of the time in
other programs. You wanna play for a big name school. You better be the best
their is or, if you are marginal, you better not show any signs of waivering in
your commitment or they will can your scholarship. What is the
definition of Commitment anyway? I don't want people hear that don't understand
Kona gave a solid verbal commitment to BYU.BYU gave a solid
scholarship offer to Kona.When Kona showed signs that he wasn't
fully committed to BYU, by taking recruiting visits to another school, BYU asked
him to reaffirm his commitment by cancelling his visit to Notre Dame.No solid commitment; no solid scholarship offer.It's not a double
standard to recruit unsigned players, even if they have already committed to
other schools. Every other school, including Utah, does exactly the same
thing.But BYU is fully within it's right to expect a player who has
verbally committed to BYU to demonstrate that he's still committed.Dozens of other players are waiting in the wings who would love to have that
scholarship that was reserved for Kona. If Kona's not committed enough to cancel
a recruiting visit to another school, when asked, then give the scholarship to a
player who is fully committed to BYU.BYU shouldn't risk losing
another good player while waiting for a player that may or may not sign on
Im glad he came to BYU. sleep well Uties.
We never said we wouldnt take players from other schools who had allready
verbaly commited. Nothing wrong with that. The test is, are they commited to
BYU. Its fine for people to change their minds. Go COUGARS!
does it really take much character and commitment to play football?
is this a story big whoop i hate BYU they are not good and Bronco is a joke.
a savvy coach has to put pressure on athletes to commit. those that do early get
a spot, those that wait may not. Too much pressure by idiot fans to leave it to
chance. Coaches have to play hardball to survive. you armchair coaches don't
understand much about the politics of football.
Byu didn't mind taking harvey unga when he gave his word to Utah. How come Byu
and their fans still wanted him. Or max hall at arizona state. They gave their
word somewhere else. What happened to your code of ethics? How come byu still
recruited them even after they had committed elsewhere? Byu can recruit verbally
committed players but everyone else can't? The fact of the matter is, if your a
good recruit (like a 4 star d lineman) schools are going to call, and want you
to visit. Byu is going to suffer from this mistake by bronco with their whole
defensive line gone or going on missions. Just my two cents.
The question is who goes after who, recruiting someone that approaches you is
different than "going after" a recruit. This seems more like a test of loyalty,
and now we know who the recruit was loyal too, himself!
It is called integrity!!! Unfortunately some of that is missing in today's
society. BTW, Bronco Mendenhall did not approach Riley Nelson. Riley's dad had
a ugly business "broken marriage" with USU that started the ball rolling. To
the person who signed as double standard, please, your facts straight and maybe
learn to lose some hate at the same time.
waaaayyyyy! Coach Bronco is unfair! Its to hard! He has a double standard! Hes a
Hypocrite! Why cant I bring my stuffed bunny to practice!?
You know not what you speak of. The assistant coach did not break the rule
because he said nothing about the specific recruit only BYU's concern. You have
no idea nor do I what the specific conversations and commitments have been
between the two parties. I'd say it's a bold move on Bronco's part to pull a
scholarship this late. If Bronco doesn't feel the kid is respecting his
commitment then I support his decision. You on the other hand will be critical
no matter what anyway, so nobody of consequence cares!
Feels kinda like communist China. Go ahead and stick with your our "out of
touch" with reality rules. BYU will continue to be marginalized on a national
scale and will NEVER be thought of as anything more than some outpost religious
school.Truth is the kid was leaving anyway and this is just another
transparent attempt to save face from a program out of touch. Good
luck in the future with any recruite that isn't a hardcore LDS.
Listen to the wynners
Commitment? What is that? What he is expecting from these kids is too much. I
would rather play at Utah.
It is a bold move for BYU and for this young man. If he committed to BYU, BYU
has a scholarship reserved for him. What if BYU had to turn down someone else
because the scholarship limit was reached? Then on signing day it becomes
available too late to offer it to someone else, what good is that?There's no loss of free agency here. This young man is not being forced to do
something against his will. He made the decision that he would commit to BYU.
Then he made the decision to take a recruiting trip somewhere else.
Sorry sir - you don't know what you are talking about.When a recruit
makes a commitment it is a two-way street. The school also makes a commitment. I
have heard Bronco say that he would never pull a promised scholarship if a
player were injured. He pointed out the risk of injury as a potential pitfall in
gaining early commitments from recruits. Kona committed last summer (before his
senior year) and BYU committed to Kona. For that year BYU was taking all the
risk. What happens if Kona has a bad year? what happens if he gets hurt? BYU is
still committed to a player who may never play a down of football for them. Did Kona make the commitment last summer because he was looking at BYU
as an "insurance policy?" I'm not saying he did, but if that is the case then
his actions were not fair to other potential recruits who may have been really
committed to the BYU program. If Kona is visiting ND on their $$ with no real
intent of signing with them is that not deceitful? You have no idea
how BYU is balancing it's scholarships with missions, etc..
hope Kona enjoys the next four years at .500 whether at Washington or Notre
Dame. all these kids thinking the grass is greener elsewhere are almost always
sorry. the LDS missions rarely happen for these kids after attending schools
outside of Utah. bad decision by Kona just to get to hang out with Manti for a
couple of days.
This is just great. Coach says while on your mission if you change your mind
come to BYU. It doesn't matter that you gave your WORD to another school. If you
say that Coach you can't solicite or go after any Young Man who has committed
and or signed an offer or this is hypocritical. You can't have it both ways.
What does this guy eat for breakfast? I recall that when Bronco Mendenhall took
over as head coach some players left just because it became too hard. What does he think this is? the Marines?
I think it was a great move. BYU had limited scholarships and offered them all
out. With or without Kona they have the Best recruiting class amongst the non-BS
(sic)schools and are 20th including the BS schools. If Coach does not hold a
hard line, it hurts the University and is not fair to them. It seems like no one
wants to see the logic here. For me, a school MUST depend on commitments, if
not, they would offer 30 or 40 scholarships and then take the top 25 and tell
the others, "Sorry." What a mess that would become. Coach offers to
the best top 25 who say, "BYU is for me. I don't want to go anywhere else". It's
not fair for Coaches to depend on a committ and then in the eleventh hour have
NO TIME to go recruit a replacement. Kona tripped TWICE this weekend to ND and
UDub. It's not right to BYU and it's not fair. To McKay (Dad) and Kona I say, so
long, farewell and enjoy either a .500 season or a losing one. Pick your poison.
message to knoa... you snooze, you lose.
This has always been the case at BYU since with those that sign and then leave
on missions do not count to that total etc... it's nothing new.
HateStorm, um a number of those commits are going right on a mission duh. And
if a recruit wants to take his trips then take them before you commit. You will
find many programs do this exact same thing. Ask Kyle Gunther he talked about
it today on 1280 the Zone
Why not ask all your interested recruits to take their trips early, and have BYU
be the last trip? This way, if they still want BYU, and BYU still wants them,
they have no regrets, they have seen what the competition has to offer, and then
chose BYU. If it were me, why not take a ton of free trips? It increases your
value and experience. It promotes recruits who come here with their eyes wide
open, not with the blinders on.
This could be a hard rule that BYU follows, OR this could also be a convenient
opportunity for Bronco to rescind an offer since he over-offered this year (he
admitted it himself). The scholarship situation will be tricky this year.
"I’d want to take all the recruiting trips I could if I were a high school
player looking for a college."You can . . . . I'm not sure
anyone said you can't. There is no such thing as agency with freedom FROM
consequences. Don't like the consequences? Don't do the action! No one has
taken this young man's agency away.The principle is sound.If you were engaged and your future spouse went out on a date with another,
how would you react? Would you question their commitment? If you
didn't/wouldn't you need to think about that some more.Is it the
same situation? No.It's all concepts and principles and the coach
is correct. This is why he is the coach.
if bronco wants only kids who are 100% commited to byu will he and his coaches
stop recuiting kids who have verbaled to other schools? How about the kids who
are on their mission being recuited to change schools for byu?
No playing patty cake with Bronco.
So would I. The difference here is he accepted an offer while at the same time
working for something better. He should have made his recruiting trips before
making a commitment.
Agency. Kona made his choice.
You got to respect a program that sticks to their guns. When Crowton was the
coach he let all sorts of things slide, and look where the program ended up.
When you are tough you get tough players, and it is the tough players that play
the best on the field for you.
Yea but wait to commit after your trips. Du!
This is ridiculous; I’d want to take all the recruiting trips I could if I
were a high school player looking for a college.
You can still walk on.
As per NCAA rules, coaches can't talk about specific recruits until they
sign. So we talk specifically about the Athlete and forget the rules but
let an assistant coach break the rule. As for black balling the student if he
takes a visit elsewhere.... oops there went free agency out the window.
Has Bronco any ethics left in his little bag of tricks, double talk , and
stretching the rules. This year he had 22 scholarships allotted from the
NCAA to give out, but he has already dished out 29 -30. Which player does he
let down and break his promise , or does he wait and let the NCAA come down on
his tactics ? Will the real Mendenhall please stand up ?
another one bites the dust.
Good for KonaGood for BYU
Gone are the days when BYU was soft.
That was a BAD move.
I like the spunk of the coach to play it tough. Sorry Kona, see ya!
Good, well done coach. Enjoy .500 ND next season buddy.
That was a bold move.