TO Dapper2K:If sloan doesn't retire or go away how will we ever find
out? How will we ever know?regarding boozer: he may be one
reason the jazz win many games, but he also the reason the jazz can not win a
champioship. So what to do? what to do?
From Previous bloggers:Regarding Slaon: "I am tired of his coaching
style....I hope he retires soon...sure will make me a lot happier being a huge
Jazz fan" If Sloan had retired at the end of the Stocton/Malone era
we would still be rebuilding and under .500. How would that make you a happer
Jazz Fan? Regarding Booz: Like I have said before boozer is not
difference maker and not real star. He has great value right now as trade bait
for a real big man.If he's not a legit big man how are you going to
trade him for one? Booz is a top 5 -7 Big man and the ones above him are
basically untouchable. Would you trade them if you had them? This is a great
team where the sum of the parts are greater than the whole and Booz is a big
part of that. Memo wouldn't get near the looks w/o Booz demanding the attention
of the other teams. Yes, he's struggled the past 6 games because of the focus
but it has also left open the rest of the Players. If they stop focusing on him
he'll go off.
Lets put things in perspectiveThe last game of the year will be huge
for the Jazz and the Spurs. Especially for the Spurs.If the Spurs
win that game they will be the 3 seed and will open at home against the Suns
(Houston owns the tie breaker with PHX). A loss to the Jazz would mean that we
would have the 6th best record in the west but due to being a division leader we
would be a 4 seed that wouldn't have home court advantage against the Rockets.
(Sounds like a 5 seed to me)If the Jazz should win instead of being
technically a 5 seed they would become the third seed and the Spurs would become
the sixth seed. So if we loose our last game we get Houston on the
road with a second round match-up with the Hornets. If we win we get the Spurs
at home in round one with a POSSIBLE second round match up with the Lakers. I think I would sit my starters against the Spurs or just put Boozer on
Duncan. That would make it less obvious that we were throwing the game.
If Jazz win out, Jazz could be 3rd seed or as high as 2nd if Hornets lose their
If Phoenix wins its last two game which they likely will, and Houston looses in
Utah which they probably will, and Utah can also beat San Antonio which they may
be able to do then their would be a four way tie.In only two way tie
scenario's PHX has the tie breaker with only the spursSA only has
the tie breaker with HoustonHouston only has the tie breaker with
PhoenixUtah holds they tie breaker against SA HOU & PHX (if we beat
Houston tomorrow) Under a three way tie or more it goes to winning
percentage of all games against the teams tied.1. Utah .6252.
Phx .5403. HOU .4504. SA .333With this scenario Utah
would be the three seed and would open at home against the Spurs, Phoenix would
be the 4 and Houston the Five
The following is an explanation of NBA tiebreaking scenarios. Determining Ties for Playoff Position In order to break a tie for
playoff positions, if one exists at the end of the regular season, the following
criteria will be utilized in the order set forth: TWO-WAY TIES 1. Results of games against each other. 2. Better winning
percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division). 3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference. 4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference
(including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite
conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff
position). 6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED 1. If applicable, division
champions must be determined first. 2. Better winning percentage in
all games among the tied teams. 3. Better winning percentage against
teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division). 4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference. 5.
Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference
If the jazz win out, the spurs,suns,jazz, and rockets will likely have the same
record. The jazz will take a legitimate 4th seed as they win
tie-breakers will all of them, but who takes the fifth seed? I
believe Rockets and suns are split,spurs and rockets are split,suns lead spurs
Defense wins championships. So who cares how many points CJ scores. Or if Fes
should be playing. The jazz need AK to go deep into the playoffs and the rest
of the lazy starters to play with some heart when they don't have the ball.
How cool is this? If Utah and Phoenix win out, and Houston and San Antonio go
1-1, the middle of the Western playoff match-ups will flip flop. The Jazz will
still play Houston, but as a 3 seed, and Phoenix will still play San Antonio,
but as a 4 seed. What a great push for homecourt!(Note: If New Orleans
were to lose out, they would get stuck in this mess too with the Jazz coming out
as the 2 seed)
I may not like the way Sloan coaches at times and the decisions he makes with
players but its not worth firing him. I can see now why Utah lacks in education.
The only people in the league who want to fire a coach after a trip to the
Western Conference Finals last year and following it up with a 53 or 54 win
season this year and a return trip to the playoffs. Try to remember players have
certain responsibilities to and some have not lived up to there billing either.
Right there tattooed down the back of D-Wills arm's it says, "NO GUTS, NO
GLORY." I couldn't describe D-Will any better. He is the Heart of this team, and
will be one of the Greatest point guards to play the game by the time he is
done. SO I AM SHOCKED, SICKENED AND DISGUSTED, that the rest of the team
tolerates him being knocked around out there! ITS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO STEP UP
AND SAY, 'WE ARENT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE." I wish we had Malone right now.
Boozer, Harpring, Millsap, Etc., I AM CALLING YOU OUT! NO BODY IN THE NBA FEARS
DRIVING THE LANE ON THE JAZZ. ITS TIME THAT CHANGED. Can you imagine driving the
Lane when Malone and Carr where in? I am not suggesting we become thugs, I am
simply stating that basketball is ment to be a PHYSICAL Game! EVERYONE should
think twice before driving the lane! Strap it ON, its time for the
Playoffs, It aint gonna get any less physical!!!!!!!GO JAZZ
Ya well if he did retire Utah would not have won 42 games that next year,
they would have done just what everyone besides Barkley was predicting them to
do, by only winning 8-12 games, and they would still be trying to rebuild now
like NY and so many other teams are now. So why listen it makes no since, if
anything everyone will take note of this comment and realize how much it is of a
useless non thought out statement.
No matter how many games the Utah Jazz win under Coach Sloan, you coach
wannabees will also complain about him. He is one of the greatest coaches and
he will be in the Hall of Fame someday for his accomplishments. I wish the
Jazz, the Coach and Staff members, and the organization the best during the
upcoming playoffs. For you folks that call yourself jazzfans but continuously
complain about Sloan regardless of the Jazz success. May you be blessed by
oh yes, lets get rid of sloan ASAP, so we can have some re-tread loser like
scott skiles coach the team, just like the rest of the league does, and last
about 5 minutes before the players tune him out and start doing their own thing.
look how much talent denver has, look how much one-on-one they play, look how
awful they are to watch, look how quick they shoot it when they get the ball,
look how much defense they refuse to play, look how they could very well blow
these last couple games and miss the playoffs entirely. yes, sounds great.
sign me up.
Kudos to all you smart people who have figured out that Kyrylo Fesenko's
nickname is "Fes" and not "Fez." It's not Fezenko, so why would you think it's
Fez? Of course it's no surprise to me that many of you geniuses who can't make
that mental leap are also the ones who can't appreciate Jerry Sloan as a coach.
You guys are amazing. The Jazz are one of the best teams in the Western
Conference, but Sloan is one of the worst coaches? How does that even make
I think it is wrong to assume that calling a time out will somehow stop a big
run. I'd like to see the statistics on that one. Until I see proof that a
timeout will stop a run in the NBA, I don't buy it.
Glass half empty much? The Jazz blow out a quality opponent, put themselves
wind from home court advantage in round one. And you complain? you idiots are
worse than Sloan! You can't even enjoy a win. Get a life!
Coach Sloan has been a disappointment to meon and off the court. WE need a
new coach in UtahIf Sloan was somewhere else he would have gone...longgone...wake up Utah and Let Mr. Sloan retire....I am just a jazz fan who
thought the Jazz should havehad a new coach when John and Karl
If the Jazz play BB like they did against Denver and Dallas they shouldn't have
a problem in the first round. If they don't it might be the Jazz who don't make
it out of the first round. Rockets record is hard to ignore though. I hope
the Jazz come out tomorrow willing to play hard and take the ball to the hole. I
hope 3's rain all down on the Rockets heads. GO JAZZ!!!
I sure hope Deron Williams isn't sore from his fall last night. Sometimes pain
from those falls don't show up right away, a couple days and he may feel it.
Well, I hope he continues to be ok. It's good to have a durable point guard.I wish the Jazz could play all their games like they played Denver last
night...they did win and they played hard against Dallas only to have a buzzer
beater snatch the victory away. I saw a different Jazz team, playing defense,
playing hard, getting down on the floor to get those loose balls, helping each
other. It was so good to see. KEEP IT UP JAZZ! GO JAZZ!!!
Mondays game could very well be the most important game of the season.It could decide if the jazz can even get out of the first round of the
playoffs.This second half, It's like light has suddenly turned on in
mcgrady's head.He might be ready now to lead a team very far
indeed.I am not so sure the jazz should want to play houston in the
first round.Especially if they don't win tommorrow.
Boozer has not had a double double in in the last six games!And look
how well they have done!Like I have said before boozer is not
difference maker and not real star.He has great value right now as
trade bait for a real big man.If the jazz are going to spend alot
money on someone let be on some who can make difference when he plays.And the jazz really really really need a big man.
Get over the reveiw and wake up!!!!C.J. is for real!!!!Last night in
62 combined minutes,Korver,Kirelenko,and Harpring a grand total of 2 freakin
rebounds. That stinks!C.J. 4 rebounds in 4 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!Korver over C.J. get real you idiots!!!!!
People bring a lot little problems with the jazz and with sloans coaching.They MAY not make a difference in the regular season.But
come the playoffs those things can become huge and be all the difference
between winning a series and going home for the summer.The system
does not make much differnce on how well player plays unless they are shooter,
the system does not allow for much outside shooting. sloan didn't even run plays
for horny!So milsap would do just well else where just like every
other player who has left the jazz for another team. They have done just as well
statisticly as when they played for the jazz.But I guess the myth
Last I remember, you don't get much for playoff appearances, only
championships...and I remember when Stockton was drafted, Sloan has had problems
with his timeouts all along. When Jerry wins the championship with barely 1/3
of his timeouts used in the series, then give me a call. Until then, I will go
with the proves coaches on this one...you know, the ones who have WON IT ALL.
Maybe Jerry Sloan is an outstanding coach. I am sure he could do better than
any of you fools We will win a championship by 2010. Anyway - miles
doesn't get minutes because he needs the ball in his hand. The players who do
the best our system are players who can thrive without the ball in their hands
at all time. slashers like brewer or shooter like korver or horni. AK also
needs the ball in his hand, but he has been working on playing off the ball and
has been doing a lot better. Back in the day, we stunk and we just gave the
ball to AK and he did his thing. Then when we got better (williams and boozer)
we made the adjustment, he got the ball less and complained. The most important
thing Horni can do is teach AK how to off the ball. He is doing a lot better.
He is finding open areas and doing back door. Plus sloan has been giving AK the
ball some and let do his think.
Everyone is complaining about Fesenko..or Miles..as long as Sloan is the
head coach....all of usbasketball nuts are going to go crazy
face..it...Sloan has a real different style....we can complain...complain and complain..but Jerry goes no where...I am tired of his
coaching style....I hope heretires soon...and then he can go back to the
Midwest and drink all the alcohol he wants to....andsure will make me a
lot happier being a huge Jazzfan
Your buisness analysis is correct. However if you are trying to get a player
for the best deal possible DO NOT COMPLAIN when he doesn't play for free at your
summer league for fear of injury without a deal. END OF STORY
...let Williams call time outs too.
Sloans stlyle of bball is even more effective in the playoffs where every
possesion counts and ebb and flow of the game usually determine outcome. Jazz
have a better shot at a championship now then they did with Stock and Malone.
Drew you didnt hit the nail on the head... you hit the ball out of the park..
blah...blah blahblah GO JAZZ
A little business lesson for all you know it alls out there. If CJ was more
valuable than the min. Then he would have gotten signed by another team. His
market value was at the min. and that is why Larry Miller is a good businessman.
He offered the min. amount. Now, Cj has played good this year when he has had
the opportunity. Which means his market value is on the rise. The Jazz have some
depth at the 2 and 3 positions with Miles and Almond on the rise. What I would
like to see is Andre Kirilenko play a little more 4 to give some room at the 2
and 3 spot for others. Andre has a good post game but rarely uses it and in the
past has played pretty good at that position. I believe that is the position he
played at in Eurobasket?? last year. Can anyone confirm what position he played
in Euro ball? I think CJ has the length to play solid at the 3 too.
The flagrant foul on Deron was typical of out of control,egotistic,
dysfunctional Denver. I saw great wisdom in the whole Jazz team and coach for
keeping their cool. Let the crowd go nuts though, it does send a message. Jazz
fans are half the show and a total kick!
Sloan should win coach of the year this year. He has adapted his style without
giving up his reign of thunder in the huddle. Utah has improved their record
from last year in the most competetive western conference ever. I am glad that
he has the perspective that he does though. Every Jazz fan in the world would
rather have a championship banner than have coach win a regular season
popularity contest award.
If the Jazz really wanted CJ to play negotiate a contract good enough for both
parties and get him there. Not a big deal though that he didn't
attend the RMR.What has been a big deal though is Sloan and O'Connor
bringing it up all year and even more perplexing is CJ not getting the playing
time he commands with his play. He should be getting at least part
of Korvers and Harprings minutes.
...under several different names and in response to Chad?Chad hit
the nail on the head, and you guys or Jerry took it personal. What a bunch of
garbage about... ...."Jerry used to know when to call time
outs....blah .....blah...blah..but now DWill's on the floor and it doesn't
matter if the momentum changes and we loose the game...blah....blah...blah"Oh and my favorite..."Jerry has more playoff
appearances....blah..blah..blah... so he doesn't have to be a coach
now....blah..blah...blah..he just has to point to the
rafters...blah..blah..blah...blah I mean the history book and show other teams
that Stockton and Malone played for so long in one place that now Jerry doesn't
have to coach games......blah...blah...blah... he just has to show up........"
That is correct, CJ did have a contract offer, but it was the absolute league
min so that the team would be able to legally match any offer recieved by CJ.
The team did not expect him to sign that offer without looking at other offers
and none of us would have just signed that contract either without trying to
find a better offer. However, players can insure their career value against
injury and he should have and played in the Revue, though I also understand his
decisions. Sloan is a jerk sometimes when he get on players like CJ for that
kind of thing instead of actually considering their point of view.
An offer yes, not a good enough offer for CJ to not look elswhere. Again, if
they wanted him in camp they should have shown some good faith and offered him
more than the minimum.
Havent been a Jazz fan long have you!! Sloan used to burn timeouts everytime
any mistake was made on the floor. Since Williams is around and especially when
he is in the game Sloan lets them play, Its like he has more confidence in
Williams then he did in Stockton. Thats saying alot. Oh and by the way how
many of those coaches have more playoff appearences then Sloan???? The man is
and was coach of the year several times, just wasn't good ole boy enough to get
voted in, but he has earned it. Grass is rarely greener
Just so you know, the Jazz did have an offer on the table for CJ to sign before
the review, but HE didn't sign it because he was out looking for a better one.
Then when he couldn't find a better one he came back and signed that same offer.
That's why it was a bad move on CJ's part.
great game lastnight about the game monday in kjzz hd what do i have to do to
watch this in hd i have dish network hd does anybody know go jazz
Question to Sloan and KOC. If you two wanted CJ to play in the review why in
the world didn't you sign him to a contract so that he could play? Why should
he commit to play for free with the risk of being injured and stuck without a
dime if injury should occur. CJ right move. Jazz, wrong move.As
much as CJ has been jerked around I wouldn't be surprized if we loose him at his
first opportunity.What a shame
Chad is right! And Sloans phone # is unlisted or else I would call
him and let him know how many time outs teams are allowed per game.
It's that time of the season when we see Houston and San Antonio in front of us
and all those lame losses of the season behind us and think, had we won just two
or three of those lame losses...This happened last year also. Jazz
lost to bad teams and won the "hard" games. You could say this is a
young team. But these are NBA players, they didn't start playing ball last week.
They should seek inspiriation for play from a sense of competitive pride and
professionalism (or perhaps a look at thier paycheck as Jerry Sloan would
suggest).But also these are young people in thier 20's. They look
grown up, tatooed and all, but inside they are still 20 something youngsters.
They need to get a few more bloody noses in life and on the court before they
will dig down deep and play with heart in addition to raw talent. Then we may
have a chance to go all the way.
Nice blocks in garbage timeDenver went on a 15-0 run while as soon
as Korver came in the game in the 2nd quarter. As soon as they put back Brewer
the Jazz went on a 10-2 run (Jazz + 23 w/out Korver and -15 with him in the 1st
half)I hope it doesn't take Sloan so long in the playoffs to realize
when Korver is mismatched and when is isn't shooting well. He could be replaced
with Brewer, CJ or Price.
maybe you should call Sloan up and let him know about how he should correctly
use the timeouts.
Sorry...meant to say first 8 points of the 2nd quarter that the nuggets
scored....Des News for some reason are less technically sophisticated than the
SL Trib and cannot/willnot allow more than 200 words in their comments...But the point still holds. I believe the Jazz would have about 3-4 more
wins under their belt this season if sloan understood the use of timeouts and
clock management from a coaches perspective. Maybe he should be forced to watch
film of Popovic (the best in the league at using time outs to set his team up
for success in my opinion) to learn how to stop momentum and win more games.
OK, here is my gripe, since we are Monday-morning-QB'ing here.You
watch the coaches who regularly are at the top of the league (Popovic, Jackson,
even Byron Scott this year and others who have great win rate...Dantoni,
Johnson, etc.). When the other team makes a 4-6 point run and the momentum
seems to be shifting, they almost immediately call timeout. They stop the run
early, get their team set, and stop before they get double digits in the hole.
Sloan waits. For what?? Who knows. Last night the Nuggest scored the first 8
points. The Jazz were hanging their heads after the 8th point. Sloan let them
go. Then the nuggets scored again...and again. Finally, with barely 3 points
of the 15 point lead, he called timeout. Then it took us another TWO QUARTERS
to shift the momentum. All too often he waits even longer. Remember games
against Boston for one in December. We were comfortably up 8 or 9, then they
went on a run. Sloan finally called TO after Boston was up by 7 and we were in
desperation mode. They won, and Sloan ended the game with 2 fulls and a 20
unused...that is just dumb.
Because Fess is not ready. You really think he would help the jazz in the
playoffs? Where every possesion matters !! He still looks really confused out
there running the jazz offense. Sorry fess you need to wait tell next year. Jarron collins will help us in playoffs. I know everyone seems to
overlook what he can bring to the table. He frustrates the guy he is defending
more then I think most Jazz players do. He is going to see limited minutes but
that is ok. Everyone has a role on this team. At least he knows his.
I do think we are slightly thin at the 5 spot, I wish we just would have kept
Rafa... can anyone tell me the name of the shoes D-Will was sporting last
night?? they are tight!!
Because of everybody on the Jazz's main roster being healthy, Fez in on the
inactive list. That is why they couldn't have put him in even if they wanted to.
I completely agree with your point though.
Fess will get his chance and so will Miles.I think they both will contribute in
the playoffs although in a limited way.I can see Miles having a real nice game
when someone is in some foul trouble.It's just that the Jazz are deeper than
what most people realize and that should really help in the playoffs.
Too bad these couch qb's and wanna be coaches have to sit on the couch to coach
== give it up , there's a reason you are where you are and Jerry Sloan is where
The answers to your questions are simple.1.As much as I hate to say
it, Collins plays better than Fess. I am not saying he has more talent, which
he doesn't, but he makes less mistakes and can defend better than Fess. Fess
has looked pretty lackluster in the D-League lately--simply disappearing in some
games so the fact is, Collins is going to play before Fess in the playoffs.
Fess is there to learn because he has potential/talent but he is not ready for
the big leagues.2.Sloans system is in large part WHY Williams and
Millsap are the players they are. Players that work hard are successful.
Bottom line is that we are deep and Miles is another weapon we have but, we have
other players that are better and deserve minutes first. It is not just about
scoring either--it is about defending. It is not about Miles getting
benched--it is about defining the best rotation for the playoffs. Very few
teams play 12 players in the playoffs. All coaches tighten up their rotation
because the margin for error is slim establishing playoff position and then
winning playoff games. You people act like scoring is the only
San Antonio is at the Lakers today, and Houston is at Denver. If they both lose
those games and the jazz win the last two games against Houston and SA, the jazz
would then move up to the three spot in the playoffs because they own the
tiebreaker, and with home court in the first round. This could very easily be
the case since Ginobili is out with injury for todays game and possibly even
Wednesdays game against the jazz. Jazz control their own destiny now! GO JAZZ
I agree..Fes should play some garbage time minutes...but what about Collins? He
deserves to play too. Do you give Fes minutes vs Collins? The time
has come for someone on this team to send a message to the hard fouls committed.
Deron could have broken his arm the way he landed.Someone should
have stepped up (BOOZER, MILLSAP, HARPRING, etc) and leveled either Carmelo or
Martin.Enough is enough....send a message ..you dont F! with our
team. Where is Malone or Carr when you need them? Even Ostertag dished out
justice...I remember him knocking McDyss? (Sp) into the seats after a hard foul
on StocktonWhat gives guys? Send a messageOh BTW...the
nuggets are pathetic. George looks like he could screem at any moment
So dont gripe and dont bring Fez up. The Jazz are in the position they are in
this year and in the future because the Jazz coaching staff knows what they are
doing. You and every other armchair coach wannabe need to watch like a fan,
because at best that is all we are!!!!
ljk,First of all, Fez did not dress for last night's game... It
would have been really funny to see him out there in his everyday clothes.Second, tough call about Miles. Do you suggest we bench AK in favor of
Miles? The reason Miles got playing time was because AK was out, injured. We
can only have 5 guys on the floor. The good news is that we are deep and
if/when injuries occur we've still got game!Bring on the playoffs,
and for today... go Denver and LAL!
I hate to gripe about a nice win, and to bring Fez up in conversations, but why
in the world aren't the Jazz giving Fesenko some quality minutes in these
blowouts? If they aren't going to play him, they should have kept him in
D-League and signed a free agent big man to a couple of 10 day contracts. Come
playoff times, Okur, Boozer, and Millsap will be in foul trouble guarding the
likes of Duncan, Bynum, Gasol, Shaq, etc, they will wish that they had given him
some playing time. It is the only way he will learn. If he isn't good enough
to play with a 20 point lead, why is he there? It isn't like they would have
been feeding him to the sharks having to defend Chamberlain or a Bill Russell.
I am still shocked that D-Will and Millsap are the players that they are today
in Sloan's system that doesn't utilize the opportunities that come up to help
develop players. Miles scores close to 30 against the Wizards and played a
couple of minutes the next night? Makes sense, somebody is hot, makes an
effort, bench them for their troubles. Way to go Jazz! Wow
Denver is comprised of a bunch of cheap-shot, thuggs who don't have a clue to
play as a team and will resort to injuring other players when they get
frustrated.I'd be ashamed if I were a Denver fan. I hope Dwilly is
ok for the playoffs.