Criminal probe of MSHA, Murray Energy urged
As in 1854 at the Eureka Stokade - you just can't trust a boss and you never
Man all you people are something. Every one of you seem to think there is a
conspiracy on both sides and in the middle. If no one is capable of being honest
in their efforts to do right then we are really in trouble. There are for sure
the "bad eggs" but most people are just trying to make a living and make a
difference for good in the world. If we should forgive Kennedy should we not
forgive Murray? If every report that comes out is biased if it doesn't agree
with the one Kennedy put out, I guess we should just let the politicians decide
all the details and technical understanding and forget the experts in the field.
To wait to hear all the reports seems very realistic to me and responsible. In
fact to jump to conclusions before that would be irresponsible.By the way
if we go nuclear? where to you put the spent rods and other waste? In Utah??? oh
not here for sure. Is nuclear without risk? Churnoble comes to mind. Unintended consequences seem to happen all the time. Plan as we will, life is
Tedd Kennedy says, "This warrants a criminal investigation", because Murray
failed to tell federal regulators about dangerous conditions in the mine? It's
the federal inspectors and regulator's job to tell Murray about the danger in
the mine. That's the whole reason MSHA is there!I wonder if Kennedy
thinks there should be a criminal investigation of the drunk driver who drove
off the Chappaquiddick bridge and then went home to sober-up while his passenger
died? I wonder if Kennedy withheld any information from the Feds in his case.
This is perfect example of why Hatch should not e in office. And I emphsize
NOT. A senate panel said the mine owner know of the dangers uet Hatch came to
Murray's defense saying that a full investigation needs to be made before
Congress makes a decision. That, to me, soounds like Hathc was taking money
under the table for that, along with a lot of other stupid things he has done in
Utah Valley Resident: Jebb Bush, the Brother of Neil Bush of El Dorado S&L fame,
got George to stop oil drilling off Florida's west coast. Isn't that Rush's back
yard? Where's the liberal involvement there?Bush appointed people
with a intent of pleasing business at what ever costs to over see MSHA.
"wrz Isn't this article about actions leading to deaths of miners in Utah? It
must be strange for Utahans to understand a wealthy person who stands up for the
little guy. Kennedy is trying for Utah votes?" Someone needs to
grill Kennedy and he needs to come clean on Mary Jo Kopechne before he asks
anyone a single question about mine deaths.If you don't know/are too
young to know about her, use Google.
To Michael - if Ron Paul 'pretty much wants to abolish government' than why the
heck is he running for Congress again? This is probably not PC, but he is SO
all about the constitution - sure, it is an important document but it is not the
be all and end all of America - it is not sacred script.
Bob Murray and all of the oversight agencies are responsible for the mining
accident, not President Bush and everyone else some have suggested. That is
just hokem and you know it. People in these industries know what they are
getting into when they walk into these mines. Let's keep these things in
perspective. MSHA or someone should have been more involved from day one with
these underground mining operations, and raised flags long ago. Nothing seems
to change.I agree with the comment about going nuclear on power
requirements. We also need to get this commy lib attitude expirgated from our
government, being subservient to these blowhard liberals keeping the U.S.A. from
building more nuclear plants for most if not all of our power needs, as well as
permitting oil drilling in Anwar, offshore, and where ever, to get this country
energy independent from international sources within the next 20 years. Come on
you people. Canada, Communist China, and Cuba are drilling off the Floria coast
as we speak. What we need is fewer bleeding heart liberals in this country and
more real Americans.
Yes Rick it's stupid lazy workers who have ruined our nation. Never blame greed.
It can't be trickle down economics. It Americans works who still get paid decent
wages while having benefits who are the problem. Unemployment is up Rick.
Conservatives policies are working. Soon their will be fewer on payrolls to
ruins your ideal America.If Americans would just start eating a bowl
of rice a day, work 14 hours days six days a week and join the Republican Party
we could complete with Chinese slave labor.
What does Kennedy have to do with Utah?? Besides getting his face in the paper
again.... NOTHINGKennedy is speaking up because his major contributors are
telling him to. And who backs him but the UNIONS. They have out lived their
usefulness and need to step back and quit trying to run companies. Yes they had
their time and place but now they just run good companies out of business.Keep the union out of the investigation and let it be totally indepentant.
wrz Isn't this article about actions leading to deaths of miners in Utah? It
must be strange for Utahans to understand a wealthy person who stands up for the
little guy. Kennedy is trying for Utah votes? It's is a poor
reflection that a senator cares more about the safety of Utah workers that a
carpet bagging Utah senator from Penn.I could bring up forgiveness.
This seems to be an alien subject to the majority of Utahans. There is nothing
Kennedy can do to get redemption in your majority mindset. Judgment,
is mine, sayth, the lord.
Kennedy is probably correct on his assessment of this whole affair, however, he
should have waited for the MSHA to issue the final draft of their investigation
instead of jumping the gun. I've had this sinking feeling that for
all the huff and puff or Bob Murray something seemed way out of sink with the
reality of what he was saying and what actually happened.having
family members and friends who work in the mining industry it has been noted
that independent private owned mines are notorious for skirting mine safety in a
manner corporate owned mines do not do.Also, Bush and his Republican
legislative partners are responsible for a lot of what happen, with their
exclusion of and turning a blind eye to regulatory issues, for both environment
and worker safety issues. Not since these regulatory laws and rules came into
existence (solely for worker safety) has a presidential administration let
industry and big business run amok on these laws and regulations. Where these types of things are concerned the water flow of responsibility
actually runs uphill. It's time for Bush to take his hits like a man and like
President Truman, realize the buck stops with him.
And hty'd better be careful beofre Bob Murray takes his ball and goes home
again.Can I come live with Ted Kennedy when they close up the mines
and I lose my house?
Could Ted Kennedy even find Utah on a map before this opportunity to get his
face all over the news?
And yet, after this tragic mine disaster, a dozen food recalls, and lead paint
in children's toys, some people still believe that industry can safely regulate
itself. It boggles the mind.
Bob G- If Ron PAul were President, there would be no Mine Safe Health
Adminsitration. He pretty much wants to abolish government- including oversight.
But it is a moot point since he is apparently withdrawing.
Kennedy aught to know something about the wrongful death of innocents.
Chappaquiddick comes to mind.
Utah needs nuclear power so we can stop mining this filthy lethal coal.
Who is doing the math on the mine plan. When you remove supports for a ceiling
the weight is going to shift. The exploding pillars proves that.
warning bells were ringing before and certainly after this terrible crime was
committed, it wasn't an accident,these poor families who have lost so much and
were treated so poorly during the time there loved ones were trapped need to be
compensated for so much, and if stronger laws and better safety rules and ways
to enforce them don't arise from all of this, then the problem goes much
deeper,of coarse there is someone who is always getting his hands padded with
the green stuff...oh and political corruption just couldn't be involved..take a
look at what has happened in Alaska, and I'm sure its just the tip of the
berg,,its the small fish right now...but wait the big fish are next...unless
political back washing happens....oh..but there our elected officials..there
honest, they will do what is right.......sleep with one eye open.
Very good news.Bob Murray needs to take responsibility for his actions
(and he hasn't...from the days when he blamed the collapse on an earthquake to
now, when he has to be ordered into court). I hope that responsibility includes
Now we'll find out just who Senator's Hatch and Bennett represent....the people
or big business (aka monkey business). In the coal mining industry MSHA's a
joke leveling fines of no consequence for on-going violations that are cheaper
to pay than fix (the root cause). One does not need to be a member of the
intelligencia or a rocket scientist to discern clearly who Bob Murray is and
what he stands for. It is disheartening to hear good men like our Senators fall
in line (or prepare to support)an industry and individuals who's only
contribution is their capital and their mercenary heart(s). Coal can be mined
safely at a higher cost and still be a great deal for power plants. Frugality
should not be confused with treachery. Bloviating is not compassion. Greed
motivates only those entrepreneurs suffering from a paucity of moral values.
Profit is not bad...it's necessary but miners, mechanics, construction workers
and all of us need safe working conditions and an honest days pay for an honest
day's work. It is a right we have and an obligation of our government and
businesses to provide.
If the official report does not coincide with this prefinal report we can bet a
coverup is happening. The professionals in the field have spoken with harsh
reports on the operation of the mine and its Utah type of worker disregard to
safety. So what experts will the 'official' report use as souces of information?
Computer generated and programmed cause and effect specialist? Some official
sittine at a desk and having never seen or been in a mine will be the specialist
filing the report. These reports, if they turn out to support the truth, are
usually conviently lost or misplaced in the jungle of paperwork coverups in
government. Government leaders and officials must protect business owners and
the financial backers that put them in their office or job position. The people
don't elect representatives unless CEO's and business says they can run for an
office. We need a president like Ron Paul to get the CEO's out of government
control. Business has its place in a democracy but they do not have the right to
control and buy our government.
Unfortunately for those who are waitng for a report from the Mine Safety and
Health Administration, there is purportedly a conflict of interest and possible
bias with the Mine Safety and Health Adminstration investigating itself and its
own handling of the Crandall Mine disaster. What is needed is an independent
criminal investigation by individuals not associated with Mine Safety and Health
Administration. The public confidence in its government demands it.