Controversial therapist put on probation

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  • unknown
    March 27, 2009 10:27 a.m.

    my husband was fasely accused of moestaion of a niece of mine,yet her mom was always there in a room when the girl was being questioned,now my husband has been found quilty he says he is being fasley accused and i bekieve him.whay can we do now

  • Torie
    Sept. 1, 2008 9:04 p.m.

    I went to Dr. Snow as a young girl after being abused for 10 years. She was the best thing that could happen to me. To this day 26 years later, I thank my Father in Heaven for her. Because of her I somehow believed for the first time in my life, that I had worth. I will forever be grateful I met this women.

  • superstitious age
    Aug. 5, 2008 7:34 p.m.

    I spent many hours studying the methods and works of social workers in the mid-eighties when the child abuse crusade began. I was not only unimpressed I was incredulous that they were getting away with leading questions, and threatening children who did not "co-operate" with them. I still am amazed that we live in such a superstitious and evil age, and that it works to destroy the innocence of children and adults alike.

    It is amazing to me that people are still having to ask for videotaping of all questioning of children and evidencing the techniques used in "treating"/interrogating little children. It is ridiculous that this should not have become standard practice by now. Snow is no different than many others of her ilk. Notorious, questionable cases are legion. I still recall a well-respected doctor practising in Utah who would abuse little children and then say "Did anyone ever do this to you?"

    Snow smashed up someone's computer that contained evidence of abuse? The woman must be a nut case.

  • Anonymous
    April 26, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Our family has personal experience with her too. Not only does she ruin the lives of the falsely accused, the lives of her patients are filled with confusion, regret and much worse mental illness than they ever had to begin with. She must be stopped. She has an agenda.

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2008 2:08 a.m.

    As an adult, I sought out Dr. Snow a few years ago to help me work out some issues in my marriage. I knew her and trusted her and didn't believe for a second the accusations against her. At first I was pleased but then things got strange. I was shocked when she began to suggest to me that my problems stemmed from repressed memories of sexual abuse. I had worked with a skilled therapist before and had a pretty good handle on my issues and I was sure this was not it. She seemed obsessed and driven to prove this theory. She brought in an unlicensed practicioner with a degree in theology to help me "remember". This was very disturbing and I quit seeing her. I was also bothered about her not practicing patient confidentiality. She told me details of her work with other patients who we both knew.
    I really don't know the truth is and I don't want to pass judgement. I only know that I experienced her suggesting and really pushing her theory without any other evidence that my problems were a result of repressed memories of sexual abuse. It was very scarry.

  • Where is the proof #4
    Feb. 29, 2008 12:23 p.m.

    I have read the actual final document entitled "stipulation and Order" dated Febuary 19th 2008. The settlement sets forth very Strict restrictons and guidelines for Snow to follow over a four year probation. Get a copy. You would be amazed at how serious this settlement is.

  • Proof
    Feb. 29, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    The settlement between the State and Barbara Snow does include requirements for Snow to enroll additional hours of State approved continuing education

  • Proof not needed
    Feb. 28, 2008 8:26 p.m.

    I really doubt the State sought to revoke Dr. Snow's license, like they have nothing better to do. They were probably following up on some silly complaint.

  • Where's the proof Part 3
    Feb. 28, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Interesting but irrelevant since the State dropped most of the allegations and did not revoke anything. Try the final document which was cited in the Desert New article instead of unfounded allegations of a premature petition.

  • Where is the proof?? Part 2
    Feb. 27, 2008 3:24 p.m.

    Get a copy of The State of Utah's, Division of Professional Licensing's petition filed
    January 6, 2007, which sought the revocation of Barbara Snow's license. Some interesting reading.

  • Wow
    Feb. 26, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    What article is "There's The Proof reading"? I didn't see anything from the State about Snow not keeping up on "current scientific discoveries". Ya, Dr. Phil "can't reason with stupid". He had a hard time with the women that stood by her husband KNOWING he abused their little granddaughter and she did nothing!
    What does science have to do with that?

  • There's The Proof
    Feb. 25, 2008 11:54 p.m.

    Amazing how science fiction gets passed for science! Equally amazing is the ridiculous assertion that one of the State's "main complaints" against Snow was that she does not keep up on current "scientific discoveries." No doubt because the discoveries you cite have yet to be made.
    Like Dr. Phil says, "You can't reason with stupid."

  • The Messenger
    Feb. 25, 2008 5:52 p.m.

    A messenger holds great responsibilites of TRUST which include: Proper and correct presentation and interprtaion of ONLY the message. Withholding personal development and personal interpretation of the message. The message needs to be consistent in it's context and interpretaion as accepted and taught amoung other professionals.

    If the messenger cannot give the correct and proper
    presentaion, FIRE the messenger and REVOKE her license!

  • Defend
    Feb. 24, 2008 11:04 p.m.

    Boy, do you assume something you have NO IDEA. And how do you know that those defending Barb "have absolutely no personal knowledge of her dealings with children and families"??? WRONG! I will and have defended Dr. Snow and I have had personal dealings with her and she helped me and my child. Those that want her stopped don't like the outcome of what her patients tell her. Don't shoot the messenger (in this case the therapist).

  • Where is the PROOF???
    Feb. 23, 2008 3:07 p.m.

    That 'Recovered Memory Therapy' is valid and can be relied on. Barbara Snow uses hypnotherapy as the methodolgy for recovering memories that are supposedly buried deep in the unconscience mind. These therapies developed in the 1980's were center stage back then and have been proven to be completely unreliable over the last 25 years. The brain is extremely complex. The study of the mind and memory is still in it's infancy. One of the Utah Division of Professional Licensing's main compalints brought against Barbara Snow is that she does not keep up on current scientific discoveries and advances in the study of the brain and memory. Over the last 25 years there have been hundreds of criminal complaints of abuse derived from recovered (repressed) memory therapy. Most of these cases of recovered memory were in the realm of 'satanic ritual abuse'. Only a handful of these cases were ever proven and brought convictions. Some of these convictions were even overturned when DNA or other evidence exonerated the fasley accused and imprisoned. Barbara Snow is still using the methodologies of the 1980's. And as a result, innocent people continue to be falsely acussed and FALSE ACCUSATIONS DAMAGE EVERYONE ENVOLVED!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 23, 2008 12:30 p.m.

    I read these comments and it makes me crazy when people think just because Barbara Snow (one individual) is being attacked that somehow those people are attaching ALL therapists and DONT care about children and DONT have great concerns about abuse and DONT want to protect children. The tremendous need to protect children doesnt automatically make all those who work in that field ethical and professional. Why is the profession of therapist immune to unethical, unprofessional behavior? Every other profession has its bad apples why can't you conceive that therapists do too?

    I find it interesting that the majority of those defending Barbara Snow have absolutely no personal knowledge of her dealings with children and families. The majority of those who want her stopped have knowledge of her dealings.

    It would seem to me that experience out weights generalized opinions that have no backing.

  • Scared
    Feb. 23, 2008 12:14 p.m.

    t is true that children will tell adults what they think the adult wants to hear. Teachers are very careful when they ask questions so they do not "give away" the correct answer. I do not think children "fantasize" about abuse, but a certain level of maturity of the brain is required before a child can distinguish what is real from what is not ("fantasy"). For this reason, most parents are vigilant about what their children watch on TV - young children do not understand that violence on the news is real while violence on a TV series or in a cartoon is not. Reports of child abuse must be investigated. Statements from a child must be carefully worded and presented - by an expert, if available - in order to prosecute the perpetrator. Not only do young children occasionally tell a story which is untrue; teenage female students have threatened male teachers with reports of molestation in order to get better grades. Our society needs to protect innocent adults, too.

  • Missing a friend
    Feb. 23, 2008 7:34 a.m.

    Ms. Snow and her followers are dangerous people. They are preventing children who are truly being abused from getting the help they need. Ms. Snow has many who she has taught to use her "techniques" and they are perpetuating her distruction. I personally have seen a family destroyed by their "therapist"'s techniques. The children have in no way been protected, they have been further harmed. Just a question, what are the the purported therapist's doing to the children while they are under hypnosis? How do we know the therapist is not abusing the children?

  • wildwildwest
    Feb. 22, 2008 3:29 p.m.

    Hey dont overlook this... you have no idea what you are talking about so I suggest if you dont know the whole story, you probably shouldn't speak.

  • Don't overlook this
    Feb. 22, 2008 9:35 a.m.

    I'm still waiting for all the dedicated defenders of Ms. Snow to explain this:

    "Snow admitted to destroying a man's computer after allegations surfaced that he sexually abused one of Snow's relatives and had pornographic images of the child, which he threatened to distribute, according to the attorney's statement."

    So, she DESTROYED the evidence of child sex abuse perpetrated against one of her OWN relatives, rather than taking it to the police and having the abuser arrested?

    If she is such a dedicated foe of child sex abuse, then WHY on God's Green Earth would she help an abuser cover up his crimes?

    Why isn't she in jail for obstruction of justice?

    Am I the only one who sees something highly suspicious about all this?

  • Believe the child
    Feb. 22, 2008 8:56 a.m.

    No one wants to believe that abuse happens to those they love. No one wants to believe that the one they love has abused a child. Child sex abuse is so troubling that many decide it just can't happen.
    My child was sexually abused by a man my family knew. There was physical evidence to support the claims. My child was 5 years old. The abuser gave my child a STD. My own mother had to call a nurse to see if there was any other way to get the STD. In the end she still didn't believe her own grandchild.
    Please start thinking of the victim first. Try to believe the child. How would a child make up stories about sex abuse? The child must have witnessed the things they describe.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 22, 2008 7:52 a.m.

    Dr Snow is one of the most upstanding, brilliant, caring individuals in her field. She has been an advocate for children and families in our community for decades. She has saved so many individuals, both children and adults. I have known her personally and professionally for 35 years. Many have searched for a reliable, "normal" therapist and have been relieved to find someone so skilled and gifted. It is sad that people protect other adults at the expense of children and the truth. Child Abuse is rampant.

  • sader
    Feb. 22, 2008 6:47 a.m.

    sad: because she must be good at what she does and people seek her out. As you can see from some of the comments, a therapists who treats those that are sexually abused is treated the way a women used to be treated when they were raped....its their fault. That's what's SAD.

  • Sad
    Feb. 22, 2008 4:15 a.m.

    Why is it that it always seems to be MS Snow that finds these alleged perpetrators ? It seems very Sad to me.

  • Job is to heal not investigate
    Feb. 21, 2008 10:37 p.m.

    The job of a therepist is to provide intervention to children and thier families following abuse. To help them process their experiences and begin healing from the abuse they have endured. The job of a therepist is NOT to investigate a possible crime. That should be performed by trained and skilled professionals of investigation who know how to limit truma to the victim and protect the integrity of the evidence.

    Forensic Investigation-

    Objective, accurate, and skilled investigation of alleged child sexual abuse incidents start with a Forensic Interview which is an informational, unbiased gathering of data of a possible victim with the goal of accurate, and defensible findings regarding a possible crime.

    This approach enhances the quality of assistance that is provided to children and families, improves investigations, and reduces the trauma to child victims.

  • getreal
    Feb. 21, 2008 6:34 p.m.

    Once again we have some people who don't get it. (False accusations destroy lives) Where do you think therapists get the names? From their clients. You talk about Snow's unethical techniques but what are they and how do you know. For someone who has been in practice for 20+ years Snow is bound to have treated hundreds of people and unless you believe Santa Claus is behind all of this, then there are a lot of real child perpetrators running lose and as anyone in the professional field knows, they can appear to be very upstanding people. Forensic investigation is used by police not therapists!!! Nice try "False Accusations" but thank you anyway for proving my previous point!!

  • False accusations destroy lives
    Feb. 21, 2008 6:22 p.m.

    If this community had any idea just how many lives have been destroyed, how many children have been messed up for life, how people have been accused by Snow you would be flabbergasted! The list of those she has falsely accused is very lengthy and includes some very upstanding people living here along the Wasatch Front. You might be quite surprised to find a name on that list of someone you know and love. When Snows sword of accusation strikes its impact destroys with rippling effect and not even her own family is safe. Her unethical, threatening and manipulative techniques are no match for a child. She doesnt do proper forensic investigation. Snow decides herself if something happened and then sets forth to prove it. Until you have seen these things happen first hand you might be tempted to say that cant happen but let me tell you from one who seen the devastation and has heard the heart wrenching stories of many who have experienced this - it CAN happen and it DOES happen! She must be stopped. This creates a huge distraction from the real child perpetrators and destroys the lives of innocent children and adults.

  • getreal
    Feb. 21, 2008 6:03 p.m.

    A common problem with is child abuse is we all think we know a little about it, when we really do not. (e.g. Detective/Carol Tate) Getting to the root of the problem of child abuse is very complicated and unfortunately very real. We have to ask ourselves why would therapists want to plant false memories? That makes no sense. Therapists recount what they hear but too many times they are then crucified for their message. Just like Snow. To be quite honest why we anyone select this as a career based on what is happening to Snow. As a society we need to start taking abuse allegations more seriously and try to fix the system so victims feel like they will be believed and therapists feel like there is some backup support for what they do!! Thank goodness for therapists like Snow who have the guts and the expertise to recognize child abuse and protect our children, at apparently great personal sacrifice!! Get real people.

  • MJA
    Feb. 21, 2008 5:06 p.m.

    As one who has been fortunate to have been treated by Dr. Snow, I am grateful everyday that she has helped me through one of the most devastating events of my life. Without her professional care, I would not be a functioning adult today. We need more like her to help those of us who have been sexual abused as it often times takes years to heal. I am now guilt free and realize it was not my fault, something my abuser was very good at making me believe.... especially since I am a male.

  • melrose
    Feb. 21, 2008 4:40 p.m.

    Why are we spending time on a 20yr. old case where a jury found him guilty and the sentence was upheld by the Utah Supreme Court. It really doesnt matter, its old news. We are forgetting the perp that started this whole mess mentioned in todays article. Since there was no custody issues and/or divorce its hard to find a reason why two separate people implicated the same person and what motive a therapists would have. Quit forgetting about the abused.

  • Remembering You
    Feb. 21, 2008 4:14 p.m.

    Carol....let's be forthcoming here. You and your husband were accused in an ecclesiastical setting by eight separate adults of sexual abuse when they were minors and Barbara Snow wasn't the therapist for all the victims.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    Who would question a retired detective? Probably anyone who knew you were labeled astonishingly incompetent by the mayor for your narrow minded and incorrect assumptions about who you insisted was the valid suspect in the Elizabeth Smart case.
    No investigative or court documents in any of the alleged sex ring cases in which Snow was involved had components even vaguely resembling what you described.
    In fact, your assertions are identical to allegations made in the famous McMartin sex ring case. Whod suspect a cop of plagarism?
    A more accurate explanation for your bias may be the embarrassment of the law enforcement community when the Attorney General's Office successfully prosecuted the Lehi case which they discounted.

  • JS
    Feb. 21, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    Hard to believe it's taken over 20 years to see any action taken toward this woman. She was allowed to take a voluntary probation and have charges dropped. How long is her probation? God willing, this person will never again be allowed to practice her so-called profession in the community. Along with the destruction of lives and families look at the children who have had their childhood marred forever, who are still trying all these years later to reconcile their lives and be good fathers and mothers now. I do know the innocent who have suffered.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2008 2:49 p.m.

    I agree with Carol Tate it is finally time to go after this evil women. Yes I do know her & her methods that she uses. She has destroyed homes,
    families & neighborhoods. I know there is child abuse that is happening & that is sad very sad. It also is very sad when innocent people have their lives torn apart because of false allegations. Snow has caused much damage with her methods & she needs to be stopped.

  • ABB: I was there...I know
    Feb. 21, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    There are three people that MUST be protected: the child, the accused and the therapist. Such protections can be afforded by mandating that all interactions with a therapist be videotaped and preserved. If leading or suggestive questions are asked by the therapist, one would have clear evidence to demonstrate it. Of course all of this requires that the therapist have complete integrity in the discharge of her professional duties. Absent that, it becomes a free-for-all in the legal system. Addressing the Bullock case in 1989, Utah Supreme Court Chief Justice I. Daniel Stewart stated, "...the sole basis for judging the reliability of the methods Dr. Snow uses, according to her own testimony, is her 'own integrity is all you would have.' But since she starts an interrogation with the assumption that abuse has occurred, she then proceeds to prove that point." "Thus, whatever expertise Dr. Snow demonstrated has to do with obtaining evidence from children to prove an assumption and not to elicit truthful responses." "Any claim that...Dr. Snow's own expertise and experience validate her devastating refuted by her own statement, 'I didn't believe any of those kids when they told me it didn't happen.'"

  • Detective
    Feb. 21, 2008 1:38 p.m.

    As a retired Dective I have some knowledge of Snows Methods. I was involved in investigating some of her allegations, some of them were so far fetched I was suprised that anyone would belive her. One that stands out, is many children in one neighborhood were flown in an airplane to another city and made to do indecent things, then flown back the same day and taken back to their homes. And yet not one child mentioned to their parents or siblings that they had been on a plane, which you would think they would have a hard time keeping that to themselves. No one saw them leave or return. Ya right

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    Retired Teacher: Amen to you closing statement that innocent adults need protection, too. Why isn't there a sanction against people who continue to perpetrate false allegations when they have been repeatedly shown to be false?

    My ex is allowed to say whatever she feels like, and I am told to "just live with it" (seriously). Meanwhile, the legal costs have been astronomical.

  • Retired Teacher
    Feb. 21, 2008 11:34 a.m.

    It is true that children will tell adults what they think the adult wants to hear. Teachers are very careful when they ask questions so they do not "give away" the correct answer. I do not think children "fantasize" about abuse, but a certain level of maturity of the brain is required before a child can distinguish what is real from what is not ("fantasy"). For this reason, most parents are vigilant about what their children watch on TV - young children do not understand that violence on the news is real while violence on a TV series or in a cartoon is not. Reports of child abuse must be investigated. Statements from a child must be carefully worded and presented - by an expert, if available - in order to prosecute the perpetrator. Not only do young children occasionally tell a story which is untrue; teenage female students have threatened male teachers with reports of molestation in order to get better grades. Our society needs to protect innocent adults, too.

  • JustMe
    Feb. 21, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    An ex-boyfriend told me that his ex-wife wanted sole custody of their 3-year-old boy. She did not win it - they got shared custody. His attorney told him "The next thing that will happen is that your wife will accuse you of sexually abusing your son." Within days he found himself under arrest for exactly that. The whole ordeal was horrible for him but finally ended when the little boy said in court that his mommy told him to say what he said. Then she disappeared and he has never seen his son since - every time he finds them they up and move to another state. Child abuse is HORRIBLE - but being falsely accused has got to be a close second.

  • A
    Feb. 21, 2008 10:20 a.m.

    CAROL TATE - Do you personally know this woman? Do you have ALL the facts - or are you just responding to a one sided article? I don't know if the woman is guilty or not because I only have this article to go by. I just wonder if you are reacting to personal knowledge or just reacting to react...Just asking.

  • carol tate
    Feb. 21, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    It's about time to go after this evil woman.

  • Seriously!
    Feb. 21, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Often, the initial report is given in a childrens' group education setting.
    I don't know any children that have fantasies about being abused or raped unless that has been part of their reality. The idea that young children will tell someone only (or anything about) what they want to hear, makes it "open season" on young children.
    Please take it seriously if any child reports abuse of any kind! It probably is taking every ounce of courage they have just to "tell" someone.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 21, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    I am a victim of over-zealous social workers who investigated a groundless accusation of abuse. It was a looking-glass world where I was guilty unless I could conclusively prove I was innocent. That is impossible, because you cannot prove a negative fact.

    I challenged the social workers who claimed they were treating my child. After going around and around and around with them I was more frustrated than ever.

    ("we don't make conclusions, we only treat" "Then what are you treating?" "we don't diagnose, we only treat" "Then how do you know if your treatment is working" "We don't make conclusions, we only treat")

    The legal system also presumed I was guilty, and treated me like a criminal, even though all of the accusations had been discredited and were unsubstantiaed. The court nevertheless ordered supervised vists "to protect ME," just in case I was guilty.

    The whole system is a nightmare. I hope something can be done to protect innocent people like me from the horrible treatment from over-zealous social workers.

  • ER O.
    Feb. 21, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    Having first hand knowledge of abuse, I agree with you that it is sad for all involved. Leading is wrong. But at the same time, parents should not be present in the questioning of children. Another "safe adult" perhaps, but not the parents. If the abuse happened by a parent the child would feel uncomfortable and not say anything with their parents present. And most abuse is by a parent.

  • leading questions
    Feb. 21, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    A therapist has to ask questions so where do leading questions come in? I think asking if the child feels safe at home is a legitimate question. The answer was frightening, not the question. If the child would have said because I fight with my siblings, it would have been different but to have a detailed answer I think is key, not the question.
    I think there should be a better legal system in place, like 2 counselors for a child, to protect both, child and therapist.

  • Grandma C
    Feb. 21, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    This is very sad, for all involved. In our efforts to protect children, we must remember that children often tell us what they think we want to hear. Leading questions, even the one about feeling safe in the home, suggest the anticipated answer and/or influence a child's thinking. In an effort to please the adult, the child may tell something that is not true. Young children (below the age of accountability) are unable to discern reality and fantasy effectively. Parents, educators, medical professionals, psychologists, and others must be very careful when questioning children. Observation of the session between a professional and child by a second professional assists in determining the reality of what a child reports. Parents should be present whenever their children are questioned by law enforcement officers, social workers, school personnel, etc.

  • well....
    Feb. 21, 2008 5:17 a.m.

    huh. Thats disturbing.