Mormon Media Observer: Mitt's curtain call

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  • CA
    Feb. 20, 2008 12:13 a.m.

    Fineman and Wallis are envious of the more handsome Gov. Romney. I am happy for his wife, she looks great too and totally supportive of him. Their children are all wonderful. What a great picture of real Fairy Tale for the liberal people that haven't seen a successful family like that. Gov. Romney should be the next President in 2012. Now get ready for those Anti Mormons again. Here they come. Truly, I am so sad that Gov. Romney suspended his campaign. I cried and prayed for him and his family. May God Bless them for all their sacrifices for this country.

  • Bookaholic
    Feb. 17, 2008 1:25 a.m.

    The vast majority of Mormons didn't vote for Romney because he was Mormon. They voted for him because he's so smart, capable, and conservative. Also, they saw what he accomplished in Utah with the Olympics, and because they trusted his character due to the fact that he was devout and righteous enough to serve as bishop and stake president.

    Those positions are incredibly demanding, and there is no financial compensation. The man was a millionaire and instead of working for more money or lounging by the pool, he was willing to serve in his ward and stake for 14 years for NOTHING because the Lord and the ward/stake asked it of him. That is impressive to those in the know.

    Being Mormon does not guarentee a Mormon a vote. Harry Reid would NEVER be elected to office in Utah. He may be LDS, but he's WRONG on the issues important to most Mormons.

    He's a Democrat. Mormons are mainly Republican because the party is closest to their values--pro-life, pro-family, freedom, individual responsibility, pro-Capitalism, small government.

    This experience with the religious bigotry and disdain extended our way, though, is making some people reconsider their support. Romney's mistreatment was inexcusable.

  • KE
    Feb. 17, 2008 1:08 a.m.

    The reason Mormons are sensitive about being called a cult is that active Mormons are very devout and committed Christians. We are taught to love and serve others, and the others appear to want to burn us at the stake.

    A lot of the blogs were UNBELIEVABLY VILE towards us. They dug up the most oblique and esoteric trivia from 150 years ago and demanded we answer for it. Even wonderful and spiritual people can be wrong, can write goofy things. Would anyone consider razzing Catholics about the Inquisition, the sale of indulgences, pedophile priests, demand that they defend such things? Not likely, nor should they. We were practically called cannibals! It was very disturbing. That's why we are uncomfortable with the religious bigotry that has been swirling in the air.

    Especially seeing it aimed at Romney! How straight, upstanding, patriotic can a guy be? Faithful to his wife even through a major disorder like MS, a great father, incredibly successful and honorable businessman, fantastic service (declined his salaries) in rescuing both the Olympics and Massachusetts.

    How do evangelical Christians respond? Do they laud this good man? Respect him? No, they spit on him because he is Mormon. Very disheartening.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 15, 2008 11:07 p.m.

    Why do some people assume that a vote aginst Mitt for his religion was because of hatred? I would not consider Mitt because of his Mormonism but I don't hate him. I just don't think he is appropriately prepared for the position because of his religion. Sort of like how Mormons feel about all those people that need by proxy-post-death ordinances because as non-Mormons they are not prepared for that other glory either?

    I'd have to say get over it, do you baptize like that out of hate? My guess is no. You simply think we are unprepared because of our mistaken beliefs. Well, that's how it is with a Mormon for some of us. We don't hate. We just think you need some rituals also. And until they are done, the burning in our bosoms says The Oval Office is not a Mormon's to be had.

  • Aussie LDS
    Feb. 15, 2008 5:27 p.m.

    I think a look back at LDS history would show that more LDS missionaries have been attacked and killed in the American south, the so-called Bible belt. THEY practice a very strange form of Christianity. The Baptists are concerned about losing their place, a little research shows they have many splinter groups.

  • old saying #453
    Feb. 15, 2008 3:32 p.m.

    Try, try again.
    Then quit.
    No sense being a total fool about it.

  • Daniel
    Feb. 15, 2008 8:35 a.m.

    Anybody who thinks that anti-mormonism was not an issue at all in Romney losing the nomination needs to try living in Alabama for awhile. It's not uncommon to find people who are absolutely committed to voting against Romney just because he is mormon, and for no other reason but that. True, he theoretically still could have won, even with this disadvantage, but it did take its toll. Oh well....I have a lot more hope for 2012! Romney has made some great in-roads and I hope he won't give up.

  • Deseret roots in Wisconsin
    Feb. 14, 2008 7:36 p.m.

    Having served an LDS mission in the South, and living in Wisconsin after growing up in Utah, it is clear to me that a certain portion of Evangelicals worship the 66 books of the Bible and yet really cannot explain who God is. Many are all hung up in Greek and Hebrew translations of books of ubiquitous value( i.e. Just why is the Song of Solomon important?). I would just as soon toss the old 66 books and hold fast to the revelations given to the Prophet Joseph Smith and his successors ... they hold power and authority - and nothing has been 'lost in translation' from the mouth of Elohim.

  • tbarb7336
    Feb. 14, 2008 4:31 p.m.

    When a church is called The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints that should pretty much explain what is believed. It is a church that preaches taking care of others and has the or one of the largest welfare programs in the world. It is not part of the polygamist cult churches that practice polygamy. In the early days when the church was getting started and the members were being killed there were many women left with children that needed to be cared for. It was a short time that polygamy was practised and that was during the time of migration to Utah. Mitt Romney is the perfect example of the family's in the LDS Church that live their religion. It is all about the family and taking care of one another. It is a Christian Church and lives close to it's wonderful teachings. All good. Ours is a country of religious freedom that is why it was founded by one of my ancestors Edward Fuller of the Mayflower who sacrificed all to come here and be free to worship as he believed. What a price to pay and how lucky we are. Respect others religion.

  • by-mex
    Feb. 14, 2008 3:56 p.m.

    When will we become color blind, gender unaware,and religion without concern? A young senator with little experience in life is a candidate. A two term senator with spousal support is a candidate. A war veteran senator with only political experience is a candidate. A buisness executive with govenor and public awareness was a candidate. Then I can turn to the issues and how each candidate would react to the problems and propose solutions. From personal experience, Senator Harry Reid is a fine man with strong convictions. I don't agree with all he says but I admire him for who he is. Mitt Romney is a fine man who has learned much from his political candidacy and will continue to try and serve his country. The three senators who want to change Washington are the same ones who have made Washington what it has become. The southern governor has no national understanding. My vote will be saved until 2012. I hope Mitt Romney will run again! His moto "if at first you don't succeed try again and win."

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 14, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    POLITICAL CORRUPTION EXISTS!!!!

  • Prejudice & Religion
    Feb. 14, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    Romney tried to overcome what religious prejudice there was against him. Unfortunately for his hopes, he tried to overcome it, not by giving a JFK speech about tolerance, but by claiming that he was as prejudiced at the non-religious as the evangelicals were.

    Espousing tolerance is better than finding a common enemy. But then, we never really had a chance to accept Mitt for what he really is. I doubt he even knows anymore.

  • John
    Feb. 14, 2008 1:11 p.m.

    RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY EXISTS!!!!

  • Jaimie
    Feb. 14, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    Interesting, there seem to be lot of people who serve God by being his advisor. Go for it, for all the good it will do you.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 14, 2008 12:33 p.m.

    Stop pitching this sad story about Romney not passing muster with Southern Baptists. I live in Tennessee, and believe me, we got plenty of Southern Baptists, and Romney was doing just fine here until McCain dropped the lie about Romney wanting to set time tables to leave Iraq. If you ask two people of opposite religions about a particular religous subject, they will fight to the death, but ask them about a political policy, they will debate, argue and compromise. Romney first and formost is a fine, decent, God fearing man, who has, and will, do just fine if he decides to run again for public office. We the people have separated church and state. I wish the author of this article would try and do the same.

  • outside Utah
    Feb. 14, 2008 12:23 p.m.

    I have always looked to Des News for Utah news, but will now try to look elsewhere.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 14, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    Never having had a good hair day in my life, I think it's incredibly stupid to judge a candidate negatively because he has a life of perfect hair days. John Edwards was judged the same way. They can't help it if they have good hair. To the persons who didn't want to give humanitarian service to the south...really, that's a bit odd. No good deed goes unpunished as they say. Christ didn't do what he did because everyone loved Him...he did it because He loved us. Humanitarian service is done because it is the right thing to do and should not be regretted because people don't like us or preach against us. I agree with the blogger who said get out and serve or make a quilt to donate. Just keep doing the right things.

  • A shift in power
    Feb. 14, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    Romney's withdrawal had everything to do with religion and very little to do with the man. Mormons need to come to terms in the realization that although they agree politically and idealistically with the conservative right they are clearly not accepted by them nor even the mainstream of the Republican party. Perhaps they ought to consider more effectual avenues of making their opinions heard and their votes count.

  • sore losers
    Feb. 14, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    get over it. as in any contest, there is a winner and loser. as mentioned by others, there is a woman and black in the running and one of them will be the loser. is this prejudice?, and to continue, one of those will lose.it's the way the process works. i would like to note that i am not mormon and like romney and feel that the LDS church is at least in part at fault for his presidential demise by hitching it's wagon to his star and attracting even more attention to his religion, knowing it had the potential for controversy. better luck next time.

  • RE: The South
    Feb. 14, 2008 11:05 a.m.

    "Why wouldn't they just brush it off and make it seem to be not a big deal?"

    It is seen as a big deal because Christians view Mormons as teaching 'another Gospel', one not found in the scriptures (The Bible). Reading Mormon leaders speaking of no person gaining salvation without Joe Smith, et al, causes Christians to worry for the souls of those following Mormon prophets, and therefore, it is a big deal.
    Some of the huge points that perhaps some of you might not understand are as follows: the belief of more than one god, the belief that Satan is Jesus Christ's brother (Christians believe that Jesus Christ IS God, and that Satan is merely an evil fallen angel...a created being); Christians believe that one's salvation must be accounted for before death...there are no second chances. There are many other reasons, but these are amongst the biggest reasons that Christians see HUGE doctrinal differences, in fact, a different Gospel, which the scriptures warn against. It isn't something motivated by hate, but rather by love. If Christians hated you, they're wrong. And they wouldn't bother trying to share their beliefs otherwise.

  • The South
    Feb. 14, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    I served a mission in Georgia and was constantly educating those with "misconceptions" about our beliefs and practices. A scripture that best sums up my experience in the bible belt and the overall rejection of "Mormonism" is found in 2 Nephi 28:28 - "And in fine, wo unto all those who tremble, and are angry because of the truth of God! For behold, he that is built upon the rock receiveth it with gladness; and he that is built upon a sandy foundation trembleth lest he shall fall." Their ministers/ preachers and leaders were the ones that were angry because of what we were teaching - why would they be son angry if what we had was not true? Why wouldn't they just brush it off and make it seem to be not a big deal?

  • Romney's Positions as Gov
    Feb. 14, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    I deeply respect that Romney stood up for equal treatment of Gays. The LDS Church, while acknowledging the sin, has become much more compassionate in their speach toward gays. Ed Drood pointed out the difference and quit frankly I thought Romney did himself a huge disservice by trying to reposition himself as more conservative (and therefore appearing less compassionate) in this run for President. I think the Romney that governed MA would possibly have done much better in this race. This country is a very moderate country and yet Romney felt he had to position himself as the far-right conservative. This country is moving away from both extremes. It's a shame republicans have to cater to such an extreme, unreasonable, hateful far-right (nothing to do with religion) to get the nomination when in reality this country needs a president who will lead the majority with thoughtful, reasonable, and compassionate values rather than the extremes that this party system has created. I long for a leader who thinks about each issue seperately rather than checking to see what the party feels about it. Romney actually seemed to do that as Governor - its a shame he felt he had to change.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 14, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    Hey, Romney took a shot banking on him being viewed as the holy man of Washington.
    It didn't work for Pat Robertson. It's not going to work for Huckabee, it didn't work for Romney.
    He quit.
    Get on with your lives now.

  • Agree with Sequel
    Feb. 14, 2008 9:19 a.m.

    Hey, America. Listen. It isn't over until it's over, OR when the Fat Lady sings "GOD BLESS AMERICA!"
    We need to get ready for Mitt Romney's ENCORE. He has only taken time out and will come out to BOW and use those delegate votes to either get the nomination or a Vice President slot. So, don't give up. He had NOT given in. He is just on hold. It was a strategic move.

    The delegates are not bound to vote for McVain. sic on purpose.,i.e. those delegates votes are not cast in stone and could very well swing over to Romney, the only true conservative in the lot. The Huckleberry this reminds me of Korihor, those of you who knows who that is--will get his later.

    How soon the south forgets the good we bad Mormons did with our fast offering donations in 2005 with Katrina, and the other Florida hurricane etc, or the world good in Indonesia. Gratitude is short lived and had a short memory.

    So pay attention and watch--in patience. Remember the tortoise beat the HARE! A. Mc in UT

















  • Greek Old Testament
    Feb. 14, 2008 9:15 a.m.

    The Septuagint is the Greek old testament Jesus quotes from it. My point about modern translations is
    if you take enough Greek courses you will find why modern translations are helpful. One easy example is faith, hope, and charity, a better literal translation would be: faith, hope,and love. The Greek word agape=love. When you read the Bible in Greek it is awesome.

  • Roxanne
    Feb. 14, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    Chuck - Bain Capital does NOT own Clear Channel. Another "real" indication that you people follow the media. That is a lie created by Huckabee. This country has turned into a bunch of lemmings. Conservative Talk Show Hosts endorsed Romney on their own choice, NOT because of the so-called investiment with Bain Capital. You are obviously a Huckabee follower, because he used that "lie" along with all his others to attack Mitt on every occasion he could. Huckabee is a brown-nosed, McCain Crushed, bigot who deserves a lot more than a swift kick out of the Republican Party. His actions mirror the ignorant Evangelical lemmings who just follow the leader instead of studying it out for themselves and having a "backbone" to stand on their own convictions. What a sad day in America to see our country turn away the best candidate we had. 2012 is right around the corner, GO MITT!! and Obama will not make it through his first term if Hillary has her way - she will have him planted 6-feet under just like she and Billy have done before. God Bless America

  • DeLaval Milker
    Feb. 14, 2008 7:11 a.m.

    Romney declared that faith and leadership were inseparable. He could have left it alone, and delcared that his relationship with god, like everyone elses, is personal. Period. Doesn't belong in politics.
    Instead, it kind of cost him.
    Doesn't belong in politics.

  • Ed Drood
    Feb. 14, 2008 6:37 a.m.

    Relocated Southerner wrote, "I didn't like the fact that he supported what I consider to be important moral issues earlier in his career, some of which are in direct opposition to LDS teachings (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)"

    I defy you to find one instance where he advocated or supported gay marriage. If you took the time to dig deeper than shallow news stories that claim he supported gay marriage you would find that his real record in MA makes clear he advocated equal treatment (rights), to include shared financial benefits, etc. That is not the same things as advocating gay marriage. As Gov of MA he did more to defend traditional marriage than any political figure of either party on any level of state or national government. The MA legislature had to override his vetoes to put gay marriage in place. Before you claim he supported views in conflict with Church teachings, you should make sure you actually know his record and distinguish between advocating gay rights v. advocating gay marriage. He also vetoed several bills that would have made abortions easier for minors to obtain.

  • Don
    Feb. 14, 2008 6:40 a.m.

    In some ways Mitt peaked too early. is best campaign speech was his withdrawal or suspension speech which although disappointing gives his supporters hope for the future. Now that conservative leaders want to mold him into a Reagan esque figure his future is much brighter. He will need to hew to the conservative line from now on, loosen up and turn on the charm. He definitely was one of the smartest guys in the race, but he didn't always connect with voters. Being LDS was an obstacle with some Christians but I was astounded at how many on the Christian right in D.C. put aside their theological differences to support him. Overall I think the church benefitted from his candidacy even though there was plenty of misinformation floating around.

  • Betty
    Feb. 14, 2008 6:03 a.m.

    I joined the LDS church 40 years ago. I was raised Baptist. I am the only LDS in my parent's family. I will not put down other churches. I encourage non-LDS to ask their questions to LDS members, not non-members. We ARE CHRISTIANS! Mitt Romney's speech was accurate. If you want to know more, ask us.

    If nothing else, Mitt's run has opened the door to discussions of the LDS religion, and opportunities for non-LDS to learn the truth about all those false stories that exist in the anti-Mormon literature. I read them 40 years ago, and when I learned the truth, I joined the Church.

    I, too, was disappointed that Mitt Romney "suspended" his run for president, but someone had to do this, and Huckabee obviously wasn't going to do it. Even Ron Paul hasn't done so. Someone has to win the primary. I am pleased with how well Mitt Romney did. I hope he comes back - in any position. Our country needs an economist. The three most likely candidates don't have a clue. We need him! and that will become more obvious as time passes. In the meantime, our recession will worsen.

  • Sandi
    Feb. 14, 2008 3:31 a.m.

    I just wanted to say that I am not a Mormon, but voted for Romney in our local primary (Florida) because he seemed to have the experience I want my Chief Executive to have. In my county, Romney won.

    I'm a Southern Baptist, btw. Sunday School teacher, even.

    I was sorry that Mr. Romney withdrew (understanding perfectly, but still sorry) and hope he will continue to utilize his gifts and abilities in public service.

  • EasternDem
    Feb. 14, 2008 3:30 a.m.

    Anybody who had ever talked politics and religion with evangelicals could have predicted their wall of distrust wasn't going to crumble down for Romney. Romney kept saying 'once they get to know me and my values, they'll come around.' This is just one of the many miscalculations made by Romney's campaign. In my 50 years living amongst evangelicals and engaging many in always respectable yet deep political and religious discussions, I can tell you, they (evangelicals) take a loooong time to come around. Much like our current President, they are supremely confident they know all the answers to life's great questions. Their incalcitrance should be a lesson to those of us with similarly held testimonies, to be a bit more humble and a little less arrogant about our own perspectives. In my opinion the only way the wall between evangelicals and Mormons will ever come down is if Mormons take it down brick by brick through the application of temperance, brotherly kindness, charity and love unfeigned.

  • bhparkman
    Feb. 14, 2008 1:50 a.m.

    We know bad things are ahead. That much is certain. But, there must be a balance to the madness. I wonder what good things will come?

    Should be interesting to find out!

  • California Joe
    Feb. 14, 2008 1:08 a.m.

    I really think it is time for we, as members of the LDS church, realize that Southern Baptists and Evangelicals have not desire or motivation to acknowledge our belief in Christ. They consider us worse than radical Muslims. Frank Pastore on KKLA has mentioned this on several occassions. A Southern Baptist with the views of Huckabee would not be good for LDS believers and I think we are more threatened by his potential of being elected as VP than Hillary or Obama. My vote will be for Ron Paul. My hope is that Utah votes for someone other than McCain/Huckabee or Clinton or Obama.

  • Champ Bailey
    Feb. 14, 2008 12:27 a.m.

    Christian, according to Merriam & Webster is one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    The official name of the Mormon church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

    We believe and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. We are Christians. Those who have ears listen!!!

  • JS in AR
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:59 p.m.

    Who is to say that a person is, or is not, a Christian? Only our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, truly knows.

    I hope the person who stated the church should give no Humanitarian aid to the South, will rethink that position. I am a lifelong member of the LDS Church, and have lived my entire life in Arkansas. Last week, there were several tornadoes in Northwest Arkansas that killed 13 people. One family that I know of in the church had their home destroyed. Their stake members have assisted them. It would be nice to see Mormon Helping Hands in these communities. Perhaps they will come. They do wonderful things. Non LDS would also see their good works.



    I am an Independent who plans to vote Democratic. I respect Mitt Romney, and am very impressed with his record in finance and economics. I do believe his religion was a factor in people not voting for him. He withstood a lot of criticism with dignity, in my opinion.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:45 p.m.

    At the end of the next presidential term, these ignorant people may be begging for a Mormon president.

  • sheila from Ct
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:49 p.m.

    I am a Morman and proud of it. I have been a member for 23 yrs.I resented that the PBS program that was on sunday night showed so many things in a bad way.I know that our Church has no paid ministry every one lives one his or her earnings from their jobs.We follow the teachings of Jesus. Love your neighbors like you want to be loved.Someone commented on the tithing issue, it in the Bible Gen.14:20,Heb,7:4-10 also Jacob's vow Gen.28:22. Maybe a little bible study wouldn't hurt before throwing stones.

  • Analysis
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:31 p.m.

    A significant factor in Romney's failure was his inability to connect with many Americans. And this is not just my opinion, but the view of many political commentators. Romney could just not stop looking and acting like a Mormon stake president. This may be attractive to Mormon voters, however, many Americans prefer the warmer, more casual style of politician.

  • LWR
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:48 p.m.

    As a Mormon living in New York, I am astonished that so many church members blame Romney's failure on prejudice against the church. Romney's new-found conservative positions looked very much like political expedience, offending both conservatives and liberals. Unfortunately his constant smile, overly earnest demeanor, and perfect hair had a feel of inauthenticity. And, sadly, he did not maintain the high ground but stooped to cheap attack. Huckabee sounded more genuine and compassionate. Romney disappointed.

  • anchoragemama
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:46 p.m.

    It sure is interesting reading everyone's comments. What I find interesting is that the media and non mormons don't really know what we believe or stand for. Sometimes it is difficult to stand up and try to speak your thoughts and beliefs when someone else is constantly telling you what you believe. Let's just continue in following the Lord's example and taking care of his sheep for him. Support the Church's humanitarian effort to help the millions of people that are suffering in this world. Reach out into your community and offer your hands. Build a house for Habitat for Humanity. Send quilts to SLC for the next natural disaster. Pray for those who are spiteful and ask for forgiviness when you would prefer to bop them in the nose than pray for them!. I'm 49 years old. I haven't seen everything but I have seen a lot. Love will work much better than pointing fingers. Maybe not for the ones your trying to love, but it will for you. By the way I know Mormon history inside and out, World history too. The Church stresses the impor- tance of knowledge. Mit Romney did a great job.

  • TIM
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:34 p.m.

    McCain won the liberal states, Romney won the conservative states, and Huckabee won the bigoted states!

  • World Traveller
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:02 p.m.

    What I am learning from this primary is that more Americans are ready to accept a black president than they are a Mormon president. I think the racial barriers in America are decreasing but religion continues to be a problem as most Americans are ignorant when it comes to religion (other than their own).

    Mitt Romney had a good run. Second place in the GOP is not bad, considering most people never heard of the guy before the Olympics. On his first run he certainly did better than McCain's first run.

    Having traveled and lived throughout the entire country, I saw much religious bias in the south. Most "conservative" southerners would rather elect someone like Bill & Hillary Clinton over someone like Mitt Romney who at least has morals and character, because of religion.

    Most Americans haven't travelled outside North America to discover that the majority of the world's citizens are not Christians. So a biased, ignorant, Southern Baptist preacher like Huckabee has much more in common with a Mormon like Romney than he does with the 6 Billion non-Christians of the world.

  • Jay
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:39 p.m.

    As an evangelical Christian (not a southern Baptist), I've always admired the lifestyle and wholeheartedness of the Mormons I know and felt there was much to emulate here. However, I have to say that the anti-evangelical rhetoric I've found here and on other pro-Romney websites in the past few months is in fact extremely judgmental and stereotyping. (for example, assuming that Huckabee supporters were bigots, and accusing Huckabee of terribly bigotry and hatred, I guess based on an off-the-record question he asked regarding LDS belief).

    My point is that I've found Christians in my church to be very tolerant and open-minded of people of all religions, although of course we don't agree with the tenets of these other religions just as you don't agree with mine; so those of you who are rushing to assume that evangelicals are bigots only demonstrate your own intolerance and rush to judgment--and you do much to hurt impressions non-LDS folk have of your church. Thankfully, I like most practicing evangelicals are in reality quite loving and make every attempt to follow the example of Christ, so I like others will continue to love and accept the LDS folks I encounter in real life.

  • Carol
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:26 p.m.

    Vanderbilt University did a study which examined the use of the flip-flop label as it pertained to Romney, since the other candidates had also flipped on positions, yet no one cared.

    The flip-flop label was shown to be used by those who really meant "Romney is a Mormon" but didn't want to sound like bigots, even though they were.

  • Jim
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:11 p.m.

    Who is the second most powerful man in the nation right now? Would it be Senator Harry Reid, who presides over the US Senate? He is definately more powerful than the Vice President of the United States - and maybe even more powerful that President Bush. Oh, by the way, he is a Mormon. That may surprise a lot of people - because the media hasn't trambled over him like it did to Mitt.

  • Kris
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:14 p.m.

    I, as an immgrant, am disgusted! America talks about religious freedeom! Is this jsut for people who share the most prominent religion in the USA? That a man of Mitt Romneys caliber had to get out of the race because he is a Mormon is something I cannot understand!

  • Reality in US Politics
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:51 p.m.

    OK, Clinton became president in 1992 with a 40% minority of the vote. The conservatives got 60%, but split their vote (remember Perot?), each receiving

  • Holly
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:47 p.m.

    I've been stewing over this issue for some time and what bothered me the most was... Where was Harry Reid when Mitt was being attacked for his beliefs? Granted, their politics differ. Still, I believe Harry should be held accountable for staying silent on the issue of Mormonism. Harry did not make an effort to stand up for Mitt/Mormonism which was truly a shame. Where was Harry Reid?

  • I don't know why
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:47 p.m.

    People say we have to be a two party system. Political parties changed constantly for the first 150 years of our government. Other free democracies thrive with multiple parties. Why must we support the bigotry of the religious right in order to be pro-life? Why must we support the deficit spending of Republicans in order to favor smaller government? And why must the only alternative be a party with empty promises that does not hold our values?

  • Good Job, Evangelicals
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:44 p.m.

    Maybe the Republicans will learn their lesson and not allow the so-called "Christian Right" to hijack their party with their hypocracy when the candidate they end up with, John McCain, gets roughed up by Obama in the Election. They're going so overboard in demands for someone who is exactly like them that they'll end up with someone who believes in nothing they do. Well done, evangelicals.

    Once he's elected, Obama should take a long tour through the south and visit the home of every hardcore conservative who wasn't open-minded and tolerant (both Christian Principles) enough to look beyond labels and see the good in a person. They're the ones who are going to end up getting him elected.

  • ROBERT
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:47 p.m.

    Thank you Mitt Romney, you did some great missionary work for Evangelical Christianity. The Bible says that God can use all things for His purpose.

  • James
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:47 p.m.

    To bankshot7;

    you need to read read your Bible more closely as to becoming Gods the Savior himself said it John 10:34-37, as to your other try Isaiah 12:14-17 Lucifer who became Satan was son of morning in other words he was son just like Christ,Garden of Eden not in Kansas but Missouri at one time all land on Earth was together according to Genesis 10:25 it was divided in the days of Patriarch Peleg.

    As to i don't get it: the church has never said any church is an abomination,the prophet Joseph Smith was told by the Savior that their Creeds were abominations since they were non biblical man made understandings that denied the power that comes from the Holy Ghost.

  • Omar
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:39 p.m.

    i see U.S as a big country as an example of what Mexico could be if we keep moral up we are in Mexico sufferingthe biggest corruption of all times and we voted for a moral president that is fighting agaist corruption in all faces
    and you Americans drop out a Great moral standard with mitt Romney the only guy that really has Moral only because he's a Mormon how stupid it is If I were you i'would vote for him because of his morality United Staes People has lost Moral values and they'll suffer for their inmoral desitions they'll pay the bill
    like Mexicans are paying this bill of corruption that has Mexico in a big poberty
    do you know what recesion means?

  • Interesting...
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:20 p.m.

    It is a two party system, remember. If Romney runs as an Independent, that will only serve to split the Republican vote and guarantee that the Democratic candidate wins the White House. Interesting, is it not...?

    To those considering not voting, I would say, we the people of the United States have been granted the right to vote, and we should take full advantage of this wonderful opportunity. What right does any person have to complain about problems in the government if he/she does not exercise the right to vote?

    Also consider, whoever is elected will be our next president. Whether or not we agree, is it not our responsibility to support said president in our prayers, etc? This is the _United_ States, and though we see much division during election year, our nation must be united, or we cannot stand. Let us learn to stand together, let us begin to eliminate prejudice at home, let us become one inasmuch as we are able. Let us pray for our leaders and for our nation, that the Lord will continue to bless and guide this great country. God bless America!

  • JAY JAY JAY
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:07 p.m.

    Dear Jay, what Planet have you recently been visiting. Romney's failure was completely and totally due to religous bigotry. Get a grip pal! Predjudice and bigotry are alive and well in this country. Be it sexual orientation, religion, race, nationality, sex, disability, and on and on. I was in a meeting with a group of professional men and women in DC prior to Super Tuesday and the subject of the primaries came up. A very intelligent and professional woman said some very kind words about Romney, but finished with, "but I'd never vote for him because he's Mormon." those in the room nodded in approval. Just so you know I'm a Hillary supporter. We need to break down prejudice and bigotry and she gets my vote to that end.

  • Meshach
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:08 p.m.

    Shecky, you ask why the LDS remain republican. Well, my answer is what else is there??? The Democratic Party has been hijacked by a nutty component of liberalism and offers little for people who value the life of the unborn, want to preserve marriage as between a man and a woman and don't want to give America away to everybody else.

    The Republican party is far from perfect and have in fact really given away alot of their virtues, but it is for now the only choice. I wonder what value a realy viable contributing 3rd part could do? It is an interesting thing to think about.

  • shecky
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:45 p.m.

    One might wonder why most LDS folks are still willing to hang with the Republican Party.

  • gene says
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:24 p.m.

    Romney has brains,looks,ability,major accomplishments,wealth(another sign of smartness),gracious-complimented his opponents, oooh
    there was this this teensy little thing ........
    HE IS A MORMON !!! Look folks...not all folks held that as a thing...but enough did in the south and Iowa...TO GIVE HUCKABERRY a blockage against Mitt on
    super tuesday! Iam a convert from baptist church to LDS..and i went on a mission to the south as LDS missionaery !! I speak from experience !One minister complained that his flock were not paying their bills that he was sending them !Romney and religion played a bigger role than you would expect!
    He is the most qualified to be president, period!
    Independent party and start real early! puke on the
    GOP! Get their permission to run! hah!

  • I dont get it!!!
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:01 p.m.

    The LDS Church calls all other religions an bomination' and somehow the LDS folk cant quite understand why they are sometimes not liked. Also this totally amazes me. Mitt Romney a LDS, well and truely beats Mike Huckabee a Baptist Preacher and SOMEHOW the world is biased against Romney but NOT Huckabee. How can it be that people on this blogg are saying that people, and in particular Southern Baptists are anti LDS when in fact an LDS guy gets more votes and actually beats a Baptist............ I really dont get it. Last but not least, Mitt lost because he didnt stand firm on any one issue for long enough. The night before he pulled the plug he stated that he was in for the long term and that he WOULDNT give up. The next day he was gone and Huckabee was still there trying. You just couldnt believe the guy, thats all, nothing more, nothing less!!

  • amazed
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:53 p.m.

    It's amazing how people think they know it all and have all the answers. When the reality is that no one really knows, not even the media why various people around the U.S. didn't vote for Mitt Romney. The answer to that question would be as varied as the comments listed here. Different answers from different people. But thanks for all your ignorant opinions.

  • Omar Gonzalez
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:53 p.m.


    my belief is not on discussion
    and it's sad to realize
    the the mayority of the american people doesn't understand that
    we need good people to govern US it doesn't matter if is a Mormon or any other religion Mitt romney withdraw got me by surprise i thought he'll fight till the end
    there were only two in my particular thinking there were two real candidates for our presidency Mitt /barack obama no more had the sencibility to understand North American People but baptist mess it up
    and Mitt took a bad desition he things only on himself letting us the we who were prepared to follow him til the end .

  • Ronald A. Young
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:44 p.m.

    Some of it had to do with Mormonism some of it did not. This proves that the Fundelmental Morons are just that. However all will have a chance to except the true Gospel either in this life or the next. The Lemmings see Mormons as they are told by their leaders to see Mormons. On the other side it is the same way to an extent. How upset do you get if your child is invited to visit another childs faith group either for a service or a Social Event. This weekend my daughter is bringing a girl friend of hers to a Stake Dance. The girl had to go see the Bishop last night to get approval. I have always let my kids go to Vacation Bible Schools of other Faiths. Sometimes as many as 3 during a summer. They have always made friends done well and learned a little bit about another faith group. I thought it made them better Mormons because it gave them a deeper understanding of what they had. But I always sent them just with Bibles, come in peace. At the end No fear on either side. I know many different Pastors.

  • Carol in Punta Gorda, Fl
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:23 p.m.

    I attended many churches before I joined the LDS Church.I have become a better person because of it. The things we are taught are possitive. I would hope that I wouldn't be judged by my Religion. There are way to many problems in this country due to race and religion. Intolerence is wide spread.
    We're not much better off than the mid Eastern parts of the country when it comes to Religious tolerence.
    I know for a fact that Baptist Pastors do indeed preach and label us as a cult. Shame on them! I guess they fear that people just might be curious and investigate our church. This is one sure way to keep that from happening. I personally thought Romney was the best candidate and it had nothing to do with Religion. I might just have to pass this November. My heart isn't in this years choices. Carol

  • Porter Rockwell from CA
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:06 p.m.

    Let's see if I got this right ...last time I checked, freedom of religion was still part of the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment (aka Bill of Rights). Our nation's Founding Fathers wrote:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; of abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    I still believe in the United States of America. God bless America!

  • mano
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:56 p.m.

    Romney was gracious: he complimented his opponents
    more than once I heard him during debates..but none came back..except ron paul came to his side(figure of speech) concerning religion,etc!
    He was exceptionally articulate..and showed it more than once..in fact i believe after watching about a dozen debates..he is brighter than all of them on both sides.His explanation of the insurance
    program in mass. during his calif. debate was excellent.! He turned down his salary(olympics,mass. gov.) is mc cain,hillary. obama going to do that? He was very successful in the business world....looks,smart,wealthy---so if he wasnt liked..you just got a reminder of why!He is an
    executive..not a gomer pyle like huckabee..so dont expect him to wear straw hat and say ya all come ..ya hear!Huckabee won many states in south..
    you cant figure that out! duh! Iam a convert from the baptist church..and served a mission in the south !Dont tell me religion didnt play a role in the iowa, and south...I know better! Gov. Romney should run as an Independent...who needs the GOOFY
    GOP, anyway, to give it's approval!

  • VA gal
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:23 p.m.

    I just read that McCain had an affair just like Guliani. It would have been nice to have a man like Romney who has been a faithful husband and father.

  • Why should we care
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:23 p.m.

    what evangelicals think one writer asks? Well, we should care because now(hopefully) people will open their eyes and see that we have a TWO party system and that the Democrats, or okay, an independent, may actually have more in common with their values than a conservative Republican. Republican Evangelicals would never Vote for a Mormon, that's fine. I would not vote for a Republican with this attitude going on. Maybe, when this is over, (though I'm not counting on it) the evangelicals and other ultra conservative republicans will see that they contributed to the election of a Democrat. (Yippee!)
    What the republicans are now left with are 1. A preacher who thinks the constitution should be re-written so it includes more "bible" and a has-been leftover GWB clone. Not a choice I would even consider.

  • michael New Zealand
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:03 p.m.

    To Maried to a Mormon

    Please look it up on the internet, Liz Taylor has had 7 or more husbands. My GG Grandfather had 17 children and 10 wives, they all died of various illness and many years of life.
    I am sure your wife prays and helps our people with more than the history of people and their marriages. You could learn more that from her I am sure. My wife is a Mormon too, she is interested in our marrage.
    Michael

  • Ref: Ready for the Net?
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:48 p.m.

    I couldn't agree more that there are many, many members who would do rather poorly at representing the Church in on-line blogs. I'm sure that millions would do great but there are many members who a) either don't really understand LDS Church government or history b) don't have much talent in explaining our theology in logical examples c) don't REALLY understand our scriptures d) would be quickly prone to "bash" and criticize instead of explaining and lifting our brothers and sisters. I've been blogging for Romney and the Church as a whole for well over a year and I've seen good and bad examples of LDS folks rising to the defense of the Church.

    I agree that ONLY "bearing your testimony" probably won't cut it. Investigators need some biblical/scriptural evidence or some clarification of LDS history or some good/logical examples that emphasize reason and intelligence and THEN, by all means, say "I believe".

    Romney running was a GREAT thing! Pres. Hinckley said it would be beneficial as well before his death. If you doubt that, your testimony is extremely weak.

    Hang in there, people! Christ wasn't accepted either and wouldn't have wanted to be if it cost him his integrity.

  • Relocated Southerner
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    Your percentages don't equal voter turn-out. 60% of the population may be Mormon, but that includes children and non-registered voters. I still stand by my original statement that Romney carried Utah in greater numbers due to all the Mormons who went out in full force to support him. As far as Salt Lake's politics, I understand it has a smaller population of Mormons than other areas and more liberal overall in its demographics. I do agree with an earlier post, though. Huckabee carried most of the Southern states as he is (a) a native of the South and (b) an evangelical Christian. So the South basically voted for one of their own, and Utah did the same.

    As far as the "Jesus and Satan" statement, while it is doctrinally true, I do believe Huckabee said it the way he did strictly to stir up controversy. He knew the microphone was on, and he knew that, taken out of context, many people (especially evangelicals) would be very upset. That was a political ploy on his part, and I find his "apology" less than heartfelt.

  • Henry Drummond
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:33 p.m.

    I am not LDS, but I think the author's final paragraph makes far more sense than 99% of what I've read about this issue. I really think this was a missed opportunity for Mormons.

    Almost everything I've read from LDS people trying to "defend the Church" has consisted of shrill complaints about how outrageous and unfair everyone is being to them. It would have done far more good in both the long run and the short run to just calmly state what you actually believe. This would have helped undo decades of mis-perceptions about how Mormons live and what they believe.

    I think the author is quite right about reaching out to other communities to find out what is "bugging them" about Mormons. You might be surprised at what you find. For example for many Christians Baptism is an act of Man showing their faith in Christ. For Mormons it is more like contract. When Mormon missionaries tell people of other faiths their baptism is authorized its like telling someone they are not authorized to pray.

    I think a better understanding of the beliefs of those you would convert would help a lot.

    Thanks for a great article.

  • Dutchman
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    60% of the population of Utah is Mormon. 90% of the Republicans voted for Romney. I believe you can extrapolate that many non Mormons voted for Romney again not because of religion but because of his work with the Olympics. I am not convinced that people in Utah vote solely based on religion. Just try running for mayor of Salt Lake City if you are a Mormon. There hasn't been a Mormon elected since Ted Wilson nearly 25 years ago. Utah has also elected a Jew and Catholics as governor in statewide races. One of our finest governors was Scott Matheson, an inactive Mormon. Huckabee loses in Utah not because he is a Baptist but because of what he has done to alienate Mormons. He came to Utah in 1999 (?) when he was governor of Arkansas and participated with the Southern Baptist Convention to rally support to their cause. It was very "in your face". Then there was the remark Dont Mormons believe that Jesus Christ and Satan are bothers? I don't believe most Utahans care that McCain was once an Episcopalian and is now a Baptist.

  • sabachthani
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:08 p.m.

    I certainly hope Mitt Romney does not stoop to the level of many Mormons on this site and whine about how much everybody is a religious bigot, and how everybody hates Mormons. The more you Mormons play that trumped up card, the more people will actually start to hate you! The comments on this site reveal that Mormons are more bigoted and condemning of their neighbors than anyone! Any claim to being persecuted is simultaneously a condemnation of someone "in the world" as the persecutor! That is why the Christian thing to do is what Jesus did: "Father, forgive them..." so as not to condemn even His enemies!

  • Maried to a Mormon
    Feb. 13, 2008 4:00 p.m.

    I asked my wife, she didn't know, I hope one of you history experts would. Who had the most wives: Mitt Romney's grandfather,B Young, J Smith jr. or Warren Jeffs?

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:54 p.m.

    any thinking and reasonably inteliigent individual can only see the suspension of the Romney campaign
    as a victory for intolerance and the hate mongers of the nation. After all what can you expect of people who apparently saw nothing wrong with issuing an extermination order for a whole religion that remained on the books until 1974. This country may not deserve to survive and as long as the principles we claim espouse are only talking points for religion on Sundays. Nothing much will change in the future and some so -called good people of the world may stand at the last day with a lot of innnocent blood on their hands as some of their ancestors may have already had to do.
    Too bad Mr. Romney could not have been judged on the basis of his ideas. But for some people apparently civilization and responsiblity are too much to ask. If this is an example of Christianity may God keep me far from it. I believe even Christ would be ashamed of the Christianity exhibited in the 2008 campaign by the "good people" of this country.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    I am an ex mormon. I blogged hard to keep Romney from getting the nomination. The idea of it kept me awake nights.

    The main reason I do not believe in Romney has nothing to do with Mormonism, unless there is something I don't know. The main reason is Blackwater. Period. Add to that- the off shore accounts - the lies in MA., - the odd SLC story of the Olympics and his *appointement* by Wall Street to fix it - and the lies about his landscapers, and his mean campaigning just confirmed for me who he is. You could have picked a better candidate.

    We are good citizens, just like you. But, you hide too much. Too secretive. Too coy by 11. Mormons own everything in Utah and that's weird for people.

    Lastly, how dare he promote more war while he and his five sons just sit around, lay people off- and make more and more money.

    THAT'S the reason we voted against Mitt.

    Stop kidding yourselves.

  • Bevereley/ Payson Az
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    I wish that people would look at a persons record
    not their religion. They look at their records when
    they are bad.........I will vote for him again in
    2012....hopefully he hasn't given up....

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    No matter who is elected this November, we're all in for another 4 years of total nonsense. What this country needs most is a sense of unity and tolerance. Unfortunately, the people of this nation are less tolerant now than they were 20 years ago...that's not progress.

  • It's Simple Really
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    Statistics show that the vast majority of Mormons voted for Romney (see Utah and Nevada voting numbers in particular). Statistics also show that a large number of Evangelicals voted for Huckabee (see Iowa and South Carolina voting numbers in particular).

    Why is ANYONE crying about bigotry? people vote for the candidate that best represents their views. Views that are often tied to their religious convictions. There just aren't enough Momon's in this country to make that much of a difference for a Mormon candidate.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:04 p.m.

    I will go out on a limb and say that evangelicals are bigoted. In their defense, The reason they are is because in weekly "Bible study" and even across the pulpit the ministers preach hatred of almost every major faith that wasn't theirs Catholic, Jews and even Pentecostal. I lived among them, and if they would find out I was a Mormon they would immediately tell me that I needed to get out of the church and that I was going to hell. I have went to their churches with friends and the ministers attacked my beliefs. I was also ostercised and made to feel sub-human. It started getting bad in the early eighties. My personal belief is that preaching hatred should be considered a hate crime. If you preached that kind of hatred towards Blacks, Jews, Women it would not be acceptable. To me, anti-mormon sentiment is the offspring of the civil rights movement. The south had to substitute centuries of hate toward a race because of laws and they substituted religion as their drug of choice.

  • To Dutchman
    Feb. 13, 2008 3:07 p.m.

    You said that such a huge percentage of Utahn's voted for Romney not because of his religion but because of the stellar work he did with the Olympics. Then you insinuated Utahn's would not vote for a ticket that included Huckabee - presumably because of his religion. Unfortunately I think you are wrong on your first comment. I think Utahn's voted for Romney largely because he is Mormon. And you are right on the second - many will not vote for Huckabee because he screams anti-mormon evangelical. Let's just admit that religion is extremely important in decision making to a huge percentage of this country - particularly Mormons and evangelicals.

  • Ready for the Internet?
    Feb. 13, 2008 2:55 p.m.

    1:43 asked what I meant about members stepping into the internet world to engage in the "conversation" about our faith. Someone like you who has studied the historical and doctrinal issues for forty years would likely be able to have a very constructive dialogue. I can only assume that you know both sides of the issues and have maintained your testimony throughout your study. My concern is that members will engage in the debate without truly understanding the concerns out there and that will not help those with honest questions. Again, a simple testimony in response generally does not answer questions. I am also concerned that some will lose their testimonies after truly diving in and studying - it has happened to thousands (I know a Church employee who processes resignation requests all day). Perhaps the answer is an official LDS site that answers questions in an open, honest and unvarnished way. Nothing to date has done that and an apologist site like FARMS only hurts and has destroyed testimonies in their own right. The current efforts are just that - an effort - but do not come close to what is needed. There is not an easy answer.

  • Dutchman
    Feb. 13, 2008 2:34 p.m.

    Let's get one thing straight. Mitt won Utah by 90% of the Republican vote because of what he accomplished here with the Olympics. Utahns saw first hand what the man can achieve. I dare say that Mitt would have captured a big majority of the vote in Utah even if he were not a Mormon because of the Olympics. Most people outside of Utah don't know what kind of trouble Utah was in with these games. Mitt fixed it because he is a man who can fix things. Too bad the country did not see in Mitt what people in Utah saw. And I predict that if Huckabee gets on the ticket Utah will vote for Obama! Utah turned against Goldwater (another Arizona senator) in 1964 and they will turn against McCain if Huckabee or any other evangelical bigot for that matter is on the ticket.

  • Michael-New Zealand
    Feb. 13, 2008 2:20 p.m.

    To Jerry Williamson

    Thank you, what you said, says it all!
    "I think that all of those who fight against the Mormon church would consider the words of a Jewish leader who spoke some 2,000 years ago. Peter James and John were imprisoned for preaching a new religion. I believe it was Gamaliel who said it best "if this work be of men it will come to nought, but if it be of God ye cannot overthrow it." "

    For those interested in the translations of the Bible please spend some time on the internet looking up this subject, you will find the Bible has been rewritten and translated many times. The fact that the Bible has had many books taken out by the Catholic Church and others should concern you as well!

  • Q
    Feb. 13, 2008 2:10 p.m.

    Its amazing how so many people are afraid of Mormonism. Why? I think they give us all too much credit. We are a pretty simple faith that preaches honesty and good living. Why are people so threatened? Its like LDS people are some sort of alien/human hybrid that has this inconceivable power. People, wake up, we're just Mormons. My goodness. I'm very discontent with the Republican party this year. Mitt was by far the most qualified candidate. The GOP should have pushed him. McCain and Huckabee are not electable. Instead, we'll have President Barak Husein Obama. Wonderful!! No executive experience, no leadership experience, no economic experience...America is about to elect a wonderful public speaker. Oh well, things will work out.

  • Texas Fan
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:58 p.m.

    Romney doesn't need to rebuild his image. His image is great. He just needs to be more well known. A lot of the prejudice will go away when people become more used to the fact that a Mormon (and a good one at that) is running for president. Of coarse, there is always a flipside to being president and that is that whoever it is, if they are a conservative, they will be ripped to shreds by the media.

  • Jerry Williamson
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:55 p.m.

    I think that all of those who fight against the Mormon church would consider the words of a Jewish leader who spoke some 2,000 years ago. Peter James and John were imprisoned for preaching a new religion. I believe it was Gamaliel who said it best "if this work be of men it will come to nought, but if it be of God ye cannot overthrow it."

  • Jaimie
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:59 p.m.

    Oh, the reasons on here are absolutely running the gauntlet. All of you can't be right.

    Those who know the least, know it the loudest is the saying of the day.

    If someone votes against someone because of the wrong reason, it will come back to bite the voter.

  • Again To: Ready for Internet
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    My ability to explain gospel principles in the face of anti-morman misrespresentations comes from over 40 years of extensive, personal study of both and finding answers for myself. Perhaps my answers don't work for everyone, but are you saying I shouldn't attempt the conversation anyway? Just refer them to lds.org? On the one hand you fear LDS engaging in the conversation and on the other you'd prefer they are left to themselves to figure it out? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

    In the end, those that are really interested in finding the truth on an issue have to pay the price and study it out for themselves. There really isn't a shortcut here. Those that really aren't sincere will never really get it.

    You seem to have the answers. Please enlighten us as to the best way to proceed.

  • The System
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    When Huckabee abused the system for personal gain, he believed McCain was no longer a viable candidate. He thought he could simply ride Mitt's coat tails to the convention, all the while slyly using the Mormon wedge issue. He was wrong, but he did accomplish his goal of stealing a lot of would've been Mitt voters.

    You cannot blaim the religious right voting bloc. Most are very unfamiliar with the LDS religion and only know what their pastors have told them: that it's inspired of the devil. If the situation were reversed, would you want someone who could be inspired by the devil leading your country?

    It's hard, but think of it this way. To a lot of people, our religion is as fruity as the Church of Scientology. If the thought of voting for a Scientologist for president would give you pause, you now understand how evangelicals felt toward Mitt.

    Be a little more forgiving before calling everybody a bunch of religious bigots.

  • There's a reason
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:19 p.m.

    Huckabee didn't get any votes in Utah. It's the only state where the Huck's religion didn't mean a hill of beans. So what he "says" he's Christian; so are we. I can't blame Huck, it's politics. He saw a large group of voters, wanting to vote for someone with Mitt's positions (most important among them, pro-life and anti-gay. Economy, national and international policy, taxes, etc not so much), but also wanting someone they considered Christian. Well, Bam! He was all three of that voting bloc's biggest concerns.

    Vote for me; I can claim to be Christian without offending you. Just ignore the fact that I have no clue how to be president.

    What's ironic is how that big bloc of voters has now screwed themselves by voting for a guy who was never a viable presidential candidate, simply because he wasn't Mormon.

    Now, if the Democrats have any smarts to them, they will nominate Obama, as the only thing left to motivate the evangelicals is the chance to vote againt the Billary! machine. Wouldn't that serve the Evangelicals right, when a man they've falsely accused of being Muslim (which shouldn't make a difference, anyway) becomes their president.

  • Quit Whining!
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    Maybe if Mitt had answered some of those questions about his faith, he would be the Republican nominee today. Maybe if we answer those questions now, we will fulfill our covenant responsibility to preach the gospel and the harvest of souls will be great. Maybe we should all quit whining and go to work!

  • Rick from Ca.
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    Going tit for tat on the internet with those bent on convincing the world that Mormons are cultists is never going to convince any of them that we are anything other than what they think we are. I am tired of their verbal assaults and un-christ-like insults. No amount of intellectualizing can penetrate their calloused hearts. HOw they can spend so much time and money lambasting my fauith is beyond me. If they would only offer me something better than I have I would follow them. The answer to that one is obvious.

    The only response to their opposition is to continue to put forth the Christ-like example that we've always strived to do by keeping the two great commandments. Love our neighbor, even our enemies.

  • Michael-New Zealand
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    Wow what great writing on this forum! There is so much to be hopeful for after the recent months more people will find Christ and The Church in the these latter days! Even the people who are fighting the ideals of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are very interested saving themselves from Satan, they just find it easier to kick out at everyone that is happy in their faith than break their pride ride. Brother Romney did good work and has made many millions of people think about God and Christ, many will seek their faith in a new way and many will kick and roll in the bracken bush as they have most of their life. Romney or whomever will be called when their time is Gods time to move forward the Saints work for the good of all! Thats what it was about in the first place! God Bless all of you for careing to read and study Gods work! I know you wish all of us, well in the end.
    Michael

  • ABSOLUTELY TRAGIC
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:49 p.m.

    Anyone who ever served an LDS mission in the southern states will tell you... They know for a FACT that Huckabee and other Christian denominations that are uneducated about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They are uneducated because they are blinded by ignorance. I know for a fact many so-called Christian families who 1)Were not educated about Mitt Romney as a candidate. 2)Would never open their blinded eyes long enough because they are so ANTI-MORMON.

    It was a tragic day in America the day that Romney had to step out of the Presidential Race. He WAS OUR ONLY HOPE TO MAKING SIGNIFICANT STRIDES IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

    It is TRAGIC that mainstream America itself is so blinded by the Media, their own ignorance, their own sins, and prejudice- that they rejected who WOULD HAVE BEEN AMERICA'S BEST PRESIDENT AND MOST REVERED SINCE RONALD REAGAN.

    TRAGIC. BUT NOT SURPRISING. EVER HEARD OF HELL IN A HAND-BASKET? NO WORRIES THOUGH- THOSE WHO STRIVE TO LIVE THE TRUE GOSPEL HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. THIS WAS ALL FORETOLD AND PART OF A GRANDER PLAN.

  • Californian
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:45 p.m.

    Just a quick story on Evangelicals...a man was writing a book about Mitt Romney and interviewed Elder Maxwell. He mention to Elder Maxwell that he had received TONS of anti-Mormon pamphlets and books since telling friends of the interview. Elder Maxwell replied something to the effect that these people really believe what they are saying about the Church and are just trying to help. I really believe those folks were doing what they thought was right. You can't blame them for that. Huckabee, I don't like--politically or personally--but that is another tale. I respect Evangelicals for their faith.

    That being said, I am sad that Mitt Romney isn't going to be nominated, no matter what the reason. My sadness is not because he is a Mormon but because I think he is smart, intense, optimistic, and hardworking. I honestly thought he'd do a good job. He changed the Olympics--not just financially but also the attitude of Utah toward them. He loves his country the same way I do and because of that I feel I could trust him with it. I am not optimistic about the current field but I will find someone. I just wish it was Mitt.

  • sick at heart
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:41 p.m.

    I am just sick over the comment that "America is not ready for a Mormon President" This just shows where the tolerance level is in our hair brained society. If we are not ready for a "Mormon" president now, we never will be, because we should have been ready a long time ago. Look at the man and not his personal belief. I dislike Huckleberries baptist religion, but would vote for him if I felt he was intlelligent and honest. I voted for President Bush knowing his baptist roots. Its fine to disagree with anothers religion but when we become so unattached and so narrow minded as to vote against a man because of his faith we my fellow readers are not ready for tolerance period. Hate has not decressed it has increased, SHAME SHAME SHAME on every evangelical bigot that made this there reason to vote Romney out.
    GROW UP!

  • David from Utah
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    As a Mormon missionary serving in North Carolina back in the 80's, we had an experience where a local Southern Baptist Minister showed an anti-Mormon movie to his congregation. But, because of the friendships members of his congregation had with Mormons, his congregation had him fired and ran out of town. Many in that congregation have since joined the Mormon faith. There are many experiences similar to this one in North Carolina and I imagine in other places. The biggoted news seems to have improved the LDS missionary work. Thank you! Keep it coming.

  • MORMONS Wish Came True
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    Mormons have always been proud to regard themselves with being self titled as, "Mormons means good". This was taught at general conference by a general authority.

    Also was taught at conference that Mormons need to feel proud that they are different, unique and peculiar people, from the rest of the world.

    Well, this goal that has been harbored, adored and rendered have come to pass exactly as intended.

    So, why is it that Mormons are now disillusioned when the world regards Mitt Romney to be different, unique and peculiar then the rest of the world, Christians or not?

    But the LDS church are learning more then ever, to now preach to their members to not call themselves Mormons anymore, but members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, because they know that the general conference talks have backfired tremendously, and that the name Mormon has been taken in a very negative way amongst the mainstream.

    Therefore, the general authorities made a huge mistake and have changed course so they can be perceived in better light.

    Don't consider the estrangements of Mitt as anything odd or a slap in the face, it was intended deliberately, just not positively.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    Are Mormons not the same people who are the first at

    disaters all over the world. I bet a lot of these people who vote against Mormons take and use our gifts of service when the time arises and think nothing of it.

  • bankshot7
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:32 p.m.

    Claiming Jesus to be the brother of Satan, the Garden of Eden to have been in Kansas, that you can become a GOD?????? Why would any mainstream Christian think this dogma of the LDS religion strange???? No wonder Mormons will never hold the presidency.

  • SLMG
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Mitt Romney is past for now, so move on. The biggest stumbling blocks for the Republican Party is George W. Bush. Bush has done more damage to this country than any other president in history, he along with Dick Cheney have all but torn up the constitution, they are absolutly hated and detested around the world, not just by the enemys of the United States but by our very allies. So be ready for a Democrat as the next president or a very moderate Republican. I for one will cheer either party on as long as we can get rid of this ultra right wing conservative government that we saddled ourselves with for 8 years.
    Please don't give me that Bill Clinton was our worst president, he was not, he may have been a embarassment and his morals may have been all wrong,but. George Bush and Dick cheney's morals leave a lot to be desired too, just take a close look at there human right and enviromental records. Example: nothing has been done to stop global warming and it is expected that Lakes Mead and Powell will be dry by 2021. This country had better wake up to it's self.

  • Mike
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:21 p.m.

    Wally you stated:
    "BOM Article 8 We beleive the "Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated...All modern Christian seminaries teach their Preist and Pastors enough Greek to know the Bible is translated correctly,or does that mean something else than it states? Kinda of a flip flop."

    What is BOM 8? I was unaware that the modern priests and pastors were conversant in Greek. But how does this help them know if the Bible is translated correctly? Was Isaiah Greek or did he just write in Greek?

  • Chris
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:20 p.m.

    Wally - you need to go to the source instead of listening to your preacher. The Articles of Faith are not in the Book of Mormon, as you indicated. They are part of the Pearl of Great Price, and even then a separate piece from the other sections of that book. Next, the whole thing reads, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." As to correct modern translations of the Bible thanks to the Greek (and Hebrew) skills of so-called theologians, why is it they can't agree on one translation? I stopped counting different translations (listed in Wikipedia's entry for modern English Bible translations) when I hit 50. It's obvious that any of these Bibles have different translations, and different meanings. Ever had a Jehovah's Witness tell you something about the Bible you know is different in yours? (Wally, you probably wouldn't have - you wouldn't give someone else the courtesy to explain their own religion.) So before you start trying to pick a fight by calling a "flip flop", you better get a clue.

  • Wayne Perry
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:08 p.m.

    When a society is secular, it treats religion as a personal private matter and exercises tolerance on principal.
    As soon as society adopts any monotheistic religion, tolerance goes out the window and its' prinicpals too.
    I am not surprised that Romney got shafted by evangelicals. Consider, Southern Baptists are hiding their own names by calling themselves evangelicals. What did you expect to happen as soon as you got out from a place of subservience and tried to lead, you got squashed. The Republican party embraced Southern Baptist for their money, organization and numbers. The LDS was simply strung along and exploited.
    If you wanted to be treated fairly, start up a third party.

  • Take Heart
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:06 p.m.

    May I suggest, being LDS, that members of the LDS Church are as much at fault for misconceptions as those who spread falsehoods. For businesses, if they don't effectively pitch their brand to consumers, that void will be filled somehow and chances are that it won't necessarily be what the company intended. Leadership of the LDS Church has made great strides, recently, in opening conversations with the world. However, I doubt that Mormons will ever be "mainstream". As the "center" tends to move away from eternal principles and values, the Church and its members will become more "peculiar" to the world. Let's just make sure such an attitude by the world is at least based on facts and not fiction. No doubt, this is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY!

  • LDS Dad
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    If mainstream Christianity were correct the Restoration wouldnt have been needed. We are different, not better weve just given additional resources and by no means are we a closed club all are welcome.

  • Kyle from AZ
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:04 p.m.

    One of the things i love is how people constantly accuse mormons of not knowing their "real" doctrine or their "real" history. Look I know all about polygamy, Fanny Alger, polyandry, Adam/ God theory, mountain meadows, Brigham Young's racism, blacks and the priesthood, changes in the temple endowment, changes in the Book of Mormon, Porter Rockwell, supposed B of M witnesses denying their testimony, DNA and the Book of Mormon, different versions of the first vision, and the list goes on and on and on. I think people out there who think ordinary mormons haven't read this stuff or been exposed to it are wrong to assume so. Yes most do not because they spend their time in faith rather than controversy. But just to assume that all mormons are ignorant of the controversies is a blind and ignorant statement in and of itself.

  • Relocated Southerner
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    For all the whining and complaining about people NOT voting for Mitt because he is Mormon, what kind of message do you think it sent the rest of the country when he got nearly 90% of the Republican vote here in Utah? That most people here voted for him because he IS Mormon. This is no different than the majority of blacks voting for Obama because of the color of his skin or Hillary's getting the majority of the women's vote. There are more important criteria to meet than sharing someone's religion, skin color or gender. If you're LDS and Mitt was your man because he espoused your views, then you should have certainly supported him; if you were only supporting him based upon a shared religion, you should rethink your priorities. I personally have not been thrilled with any of the major candidates this year, and I didn't like the fact that he supported what I consider to be important moral issues earlier in his career, some of which are in direct opposition to LDS teachings (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) And, by the way, I am LDS and a long-time Republican, too.

  • Mitt not equal Mormon
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:49 a.m.

    When Harry Reid became the Senate Majority Leader, I don't recall a lot of LDS proclaiming that religious bigotry was a thing of the past, that a Mormon could reach such a high place in our government.

    Of course, he was "just" a Democrat, and considered unworthy by his fellow church members. And yet, if I said that I judged my fellow mormons by their politics, and proclaimed that everyone who voted for Romney can't be a good member of the church, I'd be hauled into my Bishop's office right quick.

    When people in church claim, openly, that Democrats can't be good church members, they don't get hauled into their Bishop's office.

    Let me tell my fellow mormons: when you lose the intolerance, hatred, and overwhelming desire to feel offended by the world, you'll get a lot further in winning hearts and minds.

  • Kyle from AZ
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:47 a.m.

    By the way, all you fellow mormons who try and draw parallels in the book of mormon and in the scriptures with Mitt Romney's run for president and his losing make mormons look even more on the fringe. Do us all a favor and have a rational dialogue thats not rooted in quoting dead prophets and scriptures from Isaiah to make your point. Just so you know the rest of the world sees this as very strange. I myself find it weird also.

  • tothechase
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:43 a.m.

    IME the GOP should just cede the election since all we have to offer is McCain. The latter has prided himself in getting the independents, moderate Republicans and now is having everyone in the world tout him as a 'true conservative.' GWB the great fiscal borrower/spender calls McCain a 'true conservative' and we're supposed to flock to his side?? This life-long Republican doesn't buy it.

    Moreover, McCain's base is actually a ripe field for Obama and/or Clinton and McCain is going have to expend huge effort to try to win 'true conservatives' at the same time. Talking about a flip-flop!

    Congratulations to the GOP and those Republican primary voters who were duped. The GOP does not deserve to win let alone have a real chance short of an Obama/Clinton implosion. Any of 3 remaining viable candidates are Big-Government believers, clueless to economic underpinings/woes and totally ill-suited to the challenges and realities we are currently facing.

    McCain if you have any savvy you will beg Mitt Romney to run as your VP otherwise a number of traditionally strong states for the Republicans will be greatly in doubt and your appeal will be limited.

  • i'll be watching for you
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:43 a.m.

    first, all this nittering about romney and how he was robbed needs to stop ... he miscalculated and then he quit ... since he was it mainly for the health of his ego, where is the loss? ...

    also, i'm glad that angel (6:06 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008) has it all figured out ... he/she will tear fellow human beings to shreds just because they are less worthy? ... wow, what a humble seeker of truth! ... many have expended much effort to cross a river only to find out they are on the wrong riverbank..

  • Sequel
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    Why is everyone so ready to draw the curtain on Romney's bid for the presidency?

    I, for one, feel very encouraged with his present position:

    1. He has not ended his bid for the office of president, just SUSPENDED it.

    This means he can keep his delegate votes and re-enter the race any time he wishes. Also, his votes could be used as leverage for the vice presidency position, if desired, and circumstances permit. This could catapault him into the US presidency position.

    2. Neither McCain nor Huckabee may get enough votes in the primaries to secure the nomination, delaying the selection until the convention in August.

    3. By August, McCain and Huckabee may have said or done something to disqualify them in the public mind; or the economy may take such a downturn by then, that the populace will be screaming for an economy-minded, business savvy deliverer -- forcing the Super Delegates to nominate Romney.

    4. Claims by McCain's fellow prisoners of his being brainwashed (do a web search) and reprogrammed by communists in Vietnam (like the Manchurian Candidate), may surface in the media, and cause the public to require proof that he's okay, or reject his presidential bid.

  • The LDS Bloc Vote
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:39 a.m.

    It is funny to read some of the "I am Mormon but did not vote for Romney" comments. Utah voted for Romney with an overwhelming 90% vote. I don't think any other candidate received close to that kind of support in any other state.

  • To - Re: Ready for the Net?
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:23 a.m.

    It is exactly your attitude that scares me as the Church calls on members to engage in the internet conversation. I appreciate that you have decided that the concerning doctrinal and historical issues are "half truths taken out of context presented with the intent to deceive or shock", "out right fabrication" , or a lot of "so what". I respect that is the result of your personal journey but that attitude is phenominally unhelpful to those struggling with these issues both inside and outside of the Church. The fact that you have served a mission certainly does not make you prepared to engage in a positive conversation. Your mission provided you with a set of rote apologetic responses designed to convey exactly the attitude you stated. But it really only demeans others and is not at all an attempt to truly understand or empathize with the individual who has genuine concerns when you are not prepared to truly hear their perspective.

  • Kyle from AZ
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me how people are so ignorant of the truth and try and say Mitt Romney had a hard time in the election because of his positions. While that may be true in some instances, with the evangelical religious right it was one thing, religious bigotry plain and simple. What is interesting is that as a mormon I always saw them as being on our side...pro-life, family values, belief in God ect. But this wave of mormon hatred and bigotry has really opened my eyes. One thing I will say is that the era of mormons turning a blind eye to bigoted religious attacks is over. I for one will not return bigotry for bigotry but will work for understanding and religious tolerance that should be allowed to all religious creeds regardless of the system. In this great nation, this melting pot of ethnicities and ideas, there is no longer room for hate.

  • NotToBeTrusted
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:11 a.m.

    I am conservative but not republican. The republicans lied us into this disastrous, bloody, expensive war. It will take me a long time to ever trust the republicans again. I hope Obama wins.
    However, I thought Mr Romneys speech on religion was excellent.

  • Tia
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:08 a.m.

    CNN I believe it was did a poll about why people thought Romney lost. They had a few options to pick, like "flopper," "people didn't warm up to him," and "other," probably meaning religion. The showed the results by state. Almost EVERY SINGLE STATE said "flopper" or "people didn't warm up to him." The ONLY 2 states that said other was Utah and Idaho. These states feel persecuted.

    But I'm sorry, a poll of the country must be wrong, right?

  • Mike
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    To Sharron: You said "The only group who consider Mormons, Christian are Mormons,do a web search of mainline Christian and Catholic articlesof faith." You are right, it is very much like what the mainline majority thought of Christ when he was on the earth.

  • Raymond Takashi Swenson
    Feb. 13, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    Huckabee's assertion that Romney somehow controlled Bain Capital which controlled Clear Channel which controlled Rush Limbaugh and other conservative radio talk show hosts is a total lie. Huckabee demonstrates that he has mastered Hitler's "the bigger the better" lying technique, because juicy lies are ones people who are bigoted WANT to believe. None of it is true.

    Note that Ann Coulter, who does NOT have a show on radio or TV, also supports Romney. In her speech at the CPAC venue, following Romney's withdrawal, she said the only way she would vote for McCain is if Romney is his Vice Presidential pick. She stated that, surveying the field of Republicans across the US, the only one that has the qualities and stature to be president is Romney. She argued that McCain's policies as president would not be much different from Hillary Clinton's, and that it is better to let the Democrats take the blame for those policies.

    McCain's lead is to a great extent a result of the random fact that the states where he had a 5% lead over Romney, were "winner take all". The primary system is just broken.

  • Don Crawford
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    "Members Ready for the Net?"-

    Just because I don't waste time reading what the latest tin foil hat wairing nutjob has to say on the web, doesn't mean I don't know my own religion. Because "people" in the church are foulable, let's just condemn an entire faith.

    It takes work and deadication to be a Mormon. There are standards to adhere to. Everyone in the faith is asked to volunteer time, effort, and means to make the church function. While the LDS People believe in individual freedom, the gospel doesn't bend to suit individual desires.

    It isn't popular with the "immediate gratification" life styles of today. There are lot's of dis-affected members that feel so guilty about their inability to measure up, that they rationalize thier failings with an attempt to make the rest of us as miserable as they are. Well, good luck with that. 200+ years of murder, persecution, bigotry, and hate haven't amounted to a pile of squat!

    Many of our christian "friends" have forgotten about the Golden Rule. We will see how they like Socialism, and the ACLU-run secular State that awaits us next January. Thanks to Mr. huckabee and others like him.

  • byk-ohio
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:46 a.m.

    As a resgistered Democrat, LDS woman and a 2002 Olympic Volunteer who spent six years in Utah and returned to Ohio, I believe that the suspension of Mitt Romney's campaign is a sad commentary on the impact of religion in the 21st century. But I also think it is a WAKE-UP CALL for us to evaluate how we reach out and socialize with people who are not of our faith...(observed from my Utah experience)to the extent that some of our folks don't let their children play with those not of our faith. I think we need to look at our own behavior towards others before we place blame. When we are in the majority geographically we tend to be EXCLUSIVE. However, I think we do a much better job of INCLUSION when we are in the minority.
    If we would be better friends, neighbors and involved members of the comunity, the mystique of our religion could be dispelled because we would be more approachable.
    A valuable lesson from this sad turn of events should trigger a change in OUR behavior.

  • Show your cards
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:45 a.m.

    Mitt's campaign did one important thing...everyone had to stop bluffing and show their cards. It is now very plain to see where many people sit on their acceptance of mormonism as a religion including specific people.

  • Claiming to be a Christian?
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    To Sharron: "The only group who consider Mormons, Christian are Mormons,do a web search of mainline Christian and Catholic articlesof faith."

    You are so incorrect. Before you make a statement you should cheeck your facts. I will give you just one example of a "Christian" site to go look at. Beliefnet lists the Mormon faith under Christian religions. Give it up Mormon haters. God will judge you just like he will judge me. It's the condition of our hearts and our actions that determine our Christianity, not some Mormon hating minister that decides who is and who isn't, and tells you to do the same. I hardly doubt that when Christ comes he will ask for our input as to who is and who isnt Christian. He knows his sheep.

  • Reality
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    To folks like Rick who find it so difficult that some both in and out of our faith encounter a great deal of difficulty with certain aspects of history and doctrine - we need more perspective and empathy. Many of us may have a rock solid testimony and are able to either ignore or explain away certain issues. But some truly struggle with those issues and I'm afraid that many within the Church are unable to deal with that with a true Christlike understanding. Too often genuine concerns are met with a general dismissal that they are all incorrect or anti, or that the individual with the concern must have some personal deficiency or why would they struggle with these questions. The reality is that many either leave the Church or do not join often due to a lack of real answers short of the normal apologetic responses. I guess my simple request to members is to understand that not everyone who disagrees with our faith does so in ignorance or through bigotry. There are real concerns relating to history and doctrine and some day I hope we can respond in a way that effectively addresses widespread concerns.

  • Truth-Sayer
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:45 a.m.

    So Mitt Romney got 90 percent of the primary vote in Utah and Huckabee, pretty much, got nothing. Yet I see that among the LDS it's bigoted evangelicals who caused Romney's demise.

    Who's the bigoted ones here? Huckabee's bunch never complained of "Mormon bigotry" when he lost the primaries in Utah. Evangelicals are no more bigots for voting for their choices than Mormons are for voting for their choices---but the hypocricy among some LDS people is readily apparent!

    Let's get off the persecution complex here and face the truth: Most "anti-mormons" do not buy the LDS religion or doctrines as being "Christian." That's not bigotry, that's freedom of choice. Mormons believe their own version of things, that's their free choice.

    Romney lost nationally because more people who voted chose someone else other than Romney. That's freedom!

    "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty!"

  • One view from California
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    Personally, I am glad for the Romney candidacy. It has helped to get into the blog action and to think more.

    I found that most of the coverage of the LDS Church was quite shallow. The stories quoted statistics and showcased contrarian viewpoints. They never seemed to explore why the church is growing so quickly, why members take the church so seriously, or why the religion is so vibrant.

    Have any of the reporters even been inside a meetinghouse? Have they attended a Sunday service? Do they know that Sunday meetings are open to the public? (They certainly know that the temples are not.) Do they know that everybody in the congregation has an opportunity to speak from the pulpit and to teach a class?

    Why did they not look at what make Mormons tick? What attracts them and what keeps them in the church? Why do Mormons dedicate so much of their time and resources to church-promoted activities and goals?

    What does the average Mormon think of God, Christ, the Bible, salvation?

    This is the real story of Mormonism and the story that makes the best read.

  • Marilyn
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    The nation lost an excellent candidate when Mitt withdrew; he gave all he was allowed to give.

  • Dutchman
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    "Actually, discipleship may keep the honors of the world from us. As Balak told Balaam, "I thought to promote thee unto great honour; but, lo, the Lord hath kept thee back from honour" (Num. 24:11-12).

    Let us adopt the attitude recommended by President Brigham Young: "Say to the fields, . . . flocks, . . . herds, . . . gold, . . . silver, . . . goods, . . . chattels, . . . tenements, . . . possessions, and to all the world, stand aside; get away from my thoughts, for I am going up to worship the Lord" (Deseret News, 5 Jan. 1854, 2). There are so many ways to say to the world, "stand aside." Quoted from Elder Neal A. Maxwell, General Conference, October 2000.


  • Bob Mullins Logan Utah
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:19 a.m.

    With all Thy getting, get understanding.

    First of all, the main Book of Mormon theme comes to mind along with the quotes from Isaiah.. within the Book of Mormon.

    The Gentile's are guaranteed to reject the gospel. This is not a hard thing to see, if one will read the book. We as a people, have relinquished our agency to preach to this people, therefore we are bound by covenant.

    However, they will in the end, reject the gospel as a whole. When that occurs... ... the book clearly defines the fate of that people and those nation(s)

    The book clearly defines that which is coming to the forefront from our southern hemisphere neighbors. It clearly defines the power they will have against the gentile nations that reject this gospel. It clearly defines the destruction that will ... inevitably come upon the gentiles and their nations that reject the gospel as a whole.

    Look at who is in your new First Presidency. This is not by accident, it is calulated and predetermined by the Lord.

  • Best Option?
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    Unfortunately, our society in general relies on the research of sound bites and the latest catch-phrases of opinion as truth and finality. The media butterflies flit from one issue to the next, unable to glean any real substance, moving on to the next person or topic before disseminating any real information. The fodder is gleefully consumed in a vicious "24 hour news" cycle. This cycle leaves us with the current choices of 3 for president.

    Mitt Romney was the best option, by far. Best in generations. There are a lot of folks, of all religions and political persuasions, afraid of someone who actually sticks to what he believes and lives those beliefs. If you take the time to listen to his thoughts on abortion and homosexuality, you will hear a reasoned and honest discussion. He has not flipped nor flopped but grown more conservative after lengthy processes. Flip-flopping means changing on every whim of a politically expedient poll.

  • Paperboy
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    I agree with many here who have observed Romney's failure to connect with voters. His seeming lack of authenticity, whether due to his changing positions, his smooth delivery or his slick packaging and style simply turned off many voters who felt they were not able to glimpse into the heart and soul of the candidate. It's interesting that despite a few shots taken at Romney's Mormonism, many voters were more than willing to accept his religious affiliation. Prejudice towards the Mormon Church simply cannot be blamed as a reason for Romney's loss.

  • Wally
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    BOM Article 8 We beleive the "Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated...All modern Christian seminaries teach their Preist and Pastors enough Greek to know the Bible is translated correctly,or does that mean something else than it states? Kinda of a flip flop.

  • Robert from NC
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:00 a.m.

    The saddest part of Mitt stopping the race is that he is the best qualified man for the job and so many people are voting their prejudices. My brothers and sisters are Baptists. They have told me that they would support anyone besides Romney because of his religion. One of my brothers who was initally against Mitt has changed his mind because he really looked at the candidates and recognized the superiority of Mitt. He is a successful businessman, governor, and fixed the Olympics.

    The other siblings would vote for McCain or Huckabee because they use only one part of their decision making equipment. Every decision in life should be compatible with one's feelings (the heart) and one's intellect (the brain). Mitt was the candidate of those intelligent people who used both the heart and brain to decide who was best candidate.

    All of the other candidates are strongly unqualified to lead this country. The three top picks have no experience running anything (A naval squadron does not count because it is a virtual dictatorship). Obama and Clinton have NEVER run anything and unless we are totally insane they won't get the chance to ruin our government!

  • Jared
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:00 a.m.

    re: SLC

    "Romeny [sic] was a poor choice from the start and he finished as a poor loser."

    Did you even read his "farewell" speech? A poor loser? He ended his campaign in the classiest way possible. he was the most gracious and selfless "loser." What he did showed real character - he did what he thought was best for the country and for the Republican Party, even though he did not want to bow out. Mitt Romney bolstered my hope about American politics. Obama does the same (even though I greatly disagree with many of his policies).

    Mitt Romney's campaign did nothing but good for the overall "work of Mormonism." The honest in heart saw all the Anti-Mormon tactics for what they were. Earlier in his campaign I used to think that anti-Mormon sentiments would not make a large difference. They did though; it's undeniable. Few will come outright and say that they did not vote for Romney because he is Mormon - they make other excuses. It's unfortunate that such prejudice is there but we will never escape it (nor should we).

  • Califoromney
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    It truly is a sad time in our country. For the lack of respect of one of our most treasured freedoms. And that is "Freedom of Religion". Now to me that means the right to your own belief. Why is it we can not get past judging those that we don't agree with. Learn to live with one thing here. We all look to God or some form of higher intelligence. It is a way of giving us hope, goals in life, and our own free agency. Why can't we all just get over this ! Agree that it's ok to disagree...... yet, respect each other and learn to live together and love our neighbors. We really have more in common than anyone is admitting. We live in a wonderful country. We have flourished on our freedoms, and rights as individuals.
    Religion is a very personal thing, why must some feel they need to fight over this. We are all trying to be good people, raising families, working hard to support them, want our children to have more than we did if not the best, and hope that our families will be close and be strong in times of trails.

  • R.L.
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:43 a.m.

    What occurred to me was that, perhaps with Pres. Hinckley's death, Mitt Romney had a period of spiritual reflection on what's most important? To be involved in the mud-slinging, name-calling, divisive process the campaign was becoming, or stepping aside, hoping for unity and to not be in defensive position any longer? Just a thought. Perhaps he chose the later?

  • Lorz B.
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    I live in Pennsylvania and I really don't think Mitt's loss had anything to do with his faith. There are some, who are filled with hate towards the LDS Church--so what else is new? But I don't believe that's why he lost. I think he lost because of the difficulty he put himself in by talking like he was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage as governor of Mass. He behaved conservatively but the double-edged sword of politics is the sound bite. I believe his principles are conservative, but he left too many people unconvinced of that. Now that we're left with McVain and Huckleberry as the only options--true conservatives are in agony over what we're left with. People saw Romney for what he truly is, but they saw it too late. He will win the nomination next time around.

  • Re: Ready for the Net?
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:30 a.m.

    Thanks for the warning, but any member who has been on a mission knows how to handle such inquiries. I'm glad you are so well prepared and the rest of Mormondom are a bunch of ignorant lackies. For those who never have had experience countering anti-mormon material, there is no time like the present to learn. I disagree that most of it is true. Most of it is half truths taken out of context presented with the intent to deceive or shock. Some is out-right fabrication. A lot of it is "So what?"

    There is nothing to be feared from the truth and the truth is readily available.

  • Brendy
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    Huck-a-Buck was THE one who was most responsible for the downfall of Romney. It was extremely obvious he was jealous of Romney - good looks, nice build, polite demeanor, INTELLIGENT, EXPERIENCED, SUCCESSFUL AND RICH! The Huckster is a phony, a hyprocrite...why does a man leave the church to become a crooked politician? Nobody seems to ask him why he left 'the calling'. I think it's because Huck-a-Buck lusts after fame, power and riches. Beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing....

    I'm a Baptist, but after researching his record in Arkansas - I was disgusted! If a person is a 'preacher', I think that person should be held to much higher standards but his record shows him just as a crooked, truth evading, arrogant, two-faced, sneaky politician. And even more so when he kept insulting downgrading Romney!

  • Carol P. Warnick
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    There is a saying, "By their fruits you will know them." Time will show what Mormons are and what they believe if people will only open their hearts and ears. As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons as some call us) we believe in a God that loves each of us (everyone) as his children. Labeling us as not being Christians has happened because people haven't tried to find out what our beliefs are. We follow Jesus Christ and try to pattern our lives after him. I don't know how more Christian than that you can be. You can call us Mormons if you like but don't ever call us UN-CHRISTIAN.

  • Idahoan
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:20 a.m.

    I live in the south am aware of the diatribe preached at several local evangelical churches.

    I got the Huckabee inspired push polls on LDS beliefs.

    I will not tolerate Huckabee's shadow campaign organization and its mis-information.

    If you like the way the Huckabee campaign is run you'll love a Huckabee Presidency.

  • generalities
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    I'm not prepared to characterize Southern Baptists or evangelicals as religiously bigoted. However, on an individual basis, some of the behavior demonstrated by adherents to those faiths in regards to my LDS faith can certainly be described as hateful, intolerant and bigoted. It is troubling. And while LDS Sunday school classes can go amiss with criticisms of other religions and the culture can be intolerant of other views and ideas, I have never seen signs on LDS chapels that advertise next weeks "evangelicals exposed" discussion group ect..
    And in response to "Used to be." It is true that not ever member of the LDS church has a solid grasp of modern church history. But your argument discounts the idea of faith in religion. Modern LDS church history is fascinating and at times almost bizarre. But it involves real people learning through trial and error. I'm grateful this history is so relatively contemporary in terms of timeline. It creates layers of food for thought, challenges the spirit and provides an opportunity for unlimited, personal, spiritual growth.

  • matthew r
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:25 a.m.

    Romney was the most qualified of any candidate by far. he was a victum of the media who in every article painted him a flip flopper. he was no more a flip flopper then Ronald Reagan. It is a mircale that W won twice. The baptists will cut off there nose despite there face. I have always felt the country gets the president they deserve. since a no vote is a vote for the democrats i'll vote for McCain. both dems are scarry. we need this election to keep our country safe. it is a very serious issue. it is interesting to note that romney has no enemies, not one person in the world that dislikes him besides mccain and huckabee. the media would have us believe him a terrible human being and many people I'm afraid believed it. but not everyone was fooled. the media also patrayed a man who could never do what was right. and he was the most impressive candidate running! like i said we get who we deserve.

  • jam23
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:17 a.m.

    I have read a thousand versions of Bill's comment above in the past few weeks. The Democrats have plenty of litmus test for their candidates, which incidently are inconsistent with the teachings of the Church. To throw in with the Democrats, who object to anything except watered-down religion, does not seem to be a step in the right direction. If we have convictions, we should be strong enough not to run for cover because we are not embraced. The thing that most disillusions me is to see how people who have access to more revealed truth than any other group are so easily distracted from the real fundamental issues.

  • Mohan
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    I think Mitt will spend the next four years rebuilding his image so he can come out strong in 2012. Those of us who share his religious beliefs would do well to spend the next four years, and the rest of our lives really, building bridges of understanding to cross the expansive voids that exist between us and members of other faiths. We have a great deal of ground to bridge so it behooves us to begin working on thee bridges immediately. Most of the people who shutter to have a Mormon in the White House do not understand who we are. They would be more responsive to us if they knew us better. So we need to get out more.

  • metamoracoug
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:12 a.m.

    Used to Be: You bring out the one point that most ruffles my feathers: the suggestion that believers in the Mormon faith are all ignorant rubes.

    Friend, this article quotes Richard Bushman, an intelligent and award winning professor of history at Columbia University, who knows more about Mormon history and Joseph Smith than anyone presently living on earth -- and yet he believes.

    I earned two degrees in history from an accredited and respected university. I'm a bright guy. Having read it all -- pro and con, I'm confident that my historical understanding of the LDS church is at least as sound as your's is. Still I believe.

    You are welcome to question the foundation of the Mormon church based on your knowledge. But do not advocate that I'm unenlightened, uninformed, and ignorant because I choose to believe.

  • nevadamormon
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:11 a.m.

    Problem #1; No one ever called Mr. Reagan Ron or Ronnie, unless they were his oldest friends. It was Mr. Reagan.
    #2 Every supporter of Romney seemed to think he was their best friend. "Mitt" he was called. He didn't have the courage to take the big stick to Tedd Kennedy when he ran against him for the Senate and failed to find that same stick in his presidential run. Ugly isn't it. Harry Reid, our illustrious and disgusting Senator from Nevada, has no qualms with using his big stick. [He doesn't know it yet but his "Mormon" base is finally awakened to his reality] We "Mormons" are no different than the so called evangelicals. We too are looking for a political Messiah. Once again we look beyond the mark. For one I am grateful that the unending stream of "Mitt" emails forwarded from every Mormon on the planet is over. {IF someone had been really smart he would have cataloged those email addresses and sold it}
    #3 We have lost the battle in the media trying to have ourselves accepted as Christians, because the same people who deride our Christianity control the defining process. Not for long though...

  • Chuck
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    Perhaps it was what Mitt Romney said during the campaign and not the theology. When he said there should be two Guantanamoes and that he gets his foreign policy advice from Cofer Black (member of the Board of Blackwater Worldwide and Vice chairman, Blackwater USA) I was surprised.

    Blackwater is a private mercenary firm with: contracts in Iraq; a contract to patrol the streets in New Orleans after Katrina; and a contract to provide troops if marshall law is declared in California.

    It was not Mitt's theology that concerns me. On November 16, 2006, Clear Channel announced plans to go private, being bought out by two private-equity firms, Thomas H. Lee Partners and Mitt Romney's Bain Capital Partners for $18.7 billion. The Clear Channel worldwide empire includes radio and TV broadcasting, outdoor advertising and live events. Over 1000 radio stations are owned by the corporation. Many of these stations carry mainly conservative and some progressive radio and this might explain why some radio personalities heard on these stations endorsed Mitt.

    I am concerned that Mitt will be tempted to be all controlling like Silvio Burlesconi, the former Prime Minister of Italy who owned most of the Broadcast and print media.

  • Dan
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:08 a.m.

    This campaign has helped to raise awareness that there is still deep rooted prejudice in America and perhaps over time will be reduced. I liked what the author said quoting President Gordon B Hinckley:

    "I subscribe to what President Gordon B. Hinckley once said about negative media coverage: this will be a blip. But it has opened a door of opportunity. Latter-day Saints do have our work cut out for us. We can no longer circle the wagons in grand pioneer tradition and hope the media goes away. Latter-day Saints need to reach out in our communities, on the Web and in the nations media and be part of the discussion and dialog."

  • KJ in Washington
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    Many liberal voters who usually vote democrat voted for McCain. This hurt Romney in the early primaries.

  • MK in Arizona
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    I have read in many comments and blogs that it was Romney's fault for hiding from the religious questions and not being upfront on his beliefs and practices. I am sorry but he had to give a "Faith in America" speech (which everyone should read) just to calm everyones fears. I didn't see any other candidate have to defend their religion. I don't see where detailing religious beliefs has anything to do with picking a President. Why was he the only one that was supposed to give a sermon to satisfy the voters. He stuck to the issues that a President needs to deal with and should be judged by those only. We have missed out on having possibly the best President ever only because of religious bigotry. What has our country come to.

  • California Reader
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:01 a.m.

    It is obvious that for many evangelicals "Ignorance is bliss". These otherwise good and decent people choose to surround themselves in ignorance or misconceptions about the Church even when the truth is staring them squarely in the face. To be fair, many of our evangelical brothers and sisters supported Mitt Romney and actively campaigned for him even with Mike Huckabee as alternative. Go to www.evangelicalsformitt.com. Hopefully, many more of our evangelical countrymen will put aside their bigotry in the future.

  • Spike H.
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    a second order effect has been the opening of many more doors to missionaries; reports from the field here in MT say that most contacts result from curiosity as to what the fuss about Mormons is all about. Regardless of the campaign outcome, it's elevated the discussion of the LDS and folks out there wanna know.

  • Sharron
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:56 a.m.

    The only group who consider Mormons, Christian are Mormons,do a web search of mainline Christian and Catholic articlesof faith.

  • Rick
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:52 a.m.

    To "used to be". So you are the expert on LDS history. Where is your PH. D. ? I have many friends who have Ph.D.and Masters degrees. These individuals have made the study of LDS history and doctrine almost their entire career. Now you pretend to know deep dark hidden secrets from LDS Church history. You assume that we are all ignorant dupes who know nothing of the origin and early history of our faith. Choose to believe as you wish but let me just shed some light on your dark parade. You will certainly continue down this road you have chosen. That is your privilege. As for those of us who are LDS we are so far past this petty "stuff" to which you refer.

  • Dutchman
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:51 a.m.

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping people and pouring millions of dollars of humanitarian aide into areas that need our help but I can't help feeling that the next time a hurricane or tornado or some other disaster hits the southern states that the Mormon relief funds should go somewhere else. If the southern folks can be duped by their ministers into torpedoing a good man like Romney why should our hard earned aide go there? The aide is more appreciated in Indonesia, a Muslim country hit by a tsunami than it is by these southern baptists. I just hope McCain doesn't put Huckabee on the ticket with him. What goes around comes around. I will not vote for any ticket with Huckabee on it.

  • Phil
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    I think life in some respects was easier for members of the LDS church when we were not caught in the middle. Not when we have to please the world and our convictions. Back when the church was the outsider, and didn't want in. I just now want a president who will cut spending, and not bankrupt the next generation.

  • Riley
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:49 a.m.

    I wonder if those who refer to us as a "cult" turn away any aid that comes into their community when the "cult" responds with help? I would hope our "Christian" responses to their needs will still be accepted when/if a need arises. I for one do not specify for my small monthly donation NOT be used for those who despitefully and verbally tear down those who claim to know more about us that we do ourselves.
    We are brothers and sisters whether they want us to be or not.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:46 a.m.

    How sad that Republicans have not evolved enough to be able to but religious bigotry aside so that we can nominate the best Presidential candidate. Here the Democrats have a black man and a woman running which is great but we discriminate because someone practices a religion different than ours. Maybe we as Republicans deserve to lose the White House this year until we can become united and but bigotry behind us.

  • dejelie
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:45 a.m.

    Yes, the media loved the controversial religion angle and happily fed that beast. I am grateful for the few who stepped forward to counter the craziness, but they were few and far between.

    One can't ignore the fact that anti-Mormon preaching goes out over the pulpit routinely in the heartland, something I learned as a military spouse for many years and now retired to a midsize southern city. I like to point out, when appropriate, that one has to wonder when a religion diverts so many resources from promoting the faith to bashing that of others. Still, negative efforts directed at the LDS church can have positive outcomes. People of goodwill can see the difference between those who detract and demean when most LDS are trying to live a life of good conscience.

    Why is Gov. Romney held to a higher standard in terms of flip-flopping than the other mostly professional politician candidates in the field? He wasn't a perfect candidate, but I'm not unhappy Gov. Romney was willing to stick his neck out.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:44 a.m.

    For generations the Church as said "we're a peculiar people"
    That thought has come back to bite it in the end. Mitt tried to fit in as best he could, but was hamstrung by the peculiarity of his faith.
    It's too bad, but he wasn't the best option anyway.

  • Rick
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:37 a.m.

    Since when are Fineman and Wallis experts on anything that matters! Don't make me laugh. Try judging a man on his character from those who know him best. Not on some media hack who writes for a living. Not on some one whose political views are left-leaning from the very start. Judge a man on his record, his personal integrity, his character. I can find a long list of so-called media experts who lambasted Mitt. Does that even really mean anything? All we really know about politics is that far too many voters hear a statement by someone in the media and accept it as truth. Media folks should stick to reporting the news and not twisting it or taking short clips totally out of context. Sure, take Fineman and Wallis or Klein and Kinsey as gospel if you choose. Just makes you the fool.

  • A Democratic Republican
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:36 a.m.

    Bill,
    Mormonism wasn't an issue amoung Republicans until Romney ran for their nomination. What would happen if one of us ran as a Democrat?

  • Members Ready for the Net?
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:36 a.m.

    I have found it very interesting that the Church has recently called for members to join in the discussion of our faith particularly on the internet. I'm afraid most members are woefully unprepared both for what they will encounter and how to honestly and effectively engage in the internet "conversation". One thing should be clear - simply bearing your testimony in response will do nothing (no matter what you have been taught in seminary) so please don't even engage if that is all you intend to do. Beyond that, the most difficult aspect is that in order to truly know how to respond to other's concerns you have to know what they are concerned about. That takes honest, thick-skinned research and most LDS are not ready to learn what millions think about our history and certain aspects of our doctrine. And folks, much of it is true so please either go into this with an understanding that you may learn things you don't like or don't start this process at all. And no matter how much you respect your Bishop or SP, just cause they say it is all just anti and wrong does not necessarily make it so.

  • No Matter
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    Frankly, I don't see what all the hubbub is about. My faith has never been based on how acceptable it is to others, and I don't understand that some LDS have of needing to feel "main stream". If we are living our religion, we are not main stream and never will be. Ignore the jeers that come from the great and spacious building and don't be ashamed of what you believe in. Live your life so that no one can deny you are a true follower of Christ, especially Christ himself. That's all that really matters.

    It is disappointing that religious bigotry is so alive and well. But then that is a natural response when minister's incomes are threatened by a proselytizing church. It's a question of economics for the ministers and a question of deception for their followers. Too bad, but it is what it is.

  • Charles
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    The vote in 1908 was controversial in that Taft was a Unitarian who did not believe in the Trinity. His opponents used that against him but the American public voted him in by a landslide. I think this election shows that Americans are more bigoted, close-minded, and prejudiced than 100 years ago. A very sad indictment on our society.

  • SLC
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    Romeny was a poor choice from the start and he finished as a poor loser.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    Mormons can serve in the military and die for their country. Mormons can pay taxes. Mormons can supply international relief. When it comes to being President of the United States of America, Article IV Section III of the United States Constitution does not seem to apply. If you are a Mormon their seems to be a religious test when it comes to be President of this country. This seems especially sad when it appears for the first time this country may choose a black man or women as President. I wonder how the Evangelical Sanhedrin would treat Jesus Christ today.

  • Texas fan
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:16 a.m.

    Here in the Bible Belt, there are lots of fairy tales told about the Mormons. If we let it all get to us, we will not want to reach out to them. People really deserve to be told the truth. All of them are not being mean on purpose, but out of ignorance. The more open we can be about who we are and the more positive and truthful we are, the more others will see us for who we are.

    Remember! The persecutions that we receive are but a sign of the true church. Let us be happy to share in Christ's legacy.

  • Art
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:15 a.m.

    This country has gone far enough into the gutter that the thought of electing someone with integrity to the highest office in the land is offensive. It would be so terrible to have a president with high morals and a sense of right. Shame on us.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    It's not just the American people; Huckabee played a large role in this, inflaming and leveraging peoples' intolerance into increased political power for himself at the expense of Romney. Why is he not being torn to shreds by the media for this?

  • CGK
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:17 a.m.

    If the "naysayers" had any idea who Mitt Romney really is, they would have been honored to vote for and support him.

  • Adam
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:10 a.m.

    Bishop Campbell--

    I agree. I truly considered Romney to be the best pick, but I of course found myself dreaming of what that could mean for mormonism if he became president. I was surprised to hear anyone think it was bad for the faith. There is a reason for every LDS chapel in Spain displaying the picture of Hinckley shaking hands with King Juan Carlos. I believe the LDS gospel will only ever reach the open-minded anyway, so negative publicity does nothing but help lead those minds to the missionaries. Having a Mormon president is like taking "BRT" out of the committment pattern because it is already done for you.

  • Not suprised
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:08 a.m.

    Last summer I told a Jewish supporter of Mitt Romney that I did not think a Mormon would ever be elected President for the very reasons all of these articles mentioned. This is one Mormon who is not suprised or disheartened. Romney did better than I thought he would. You can't expect everybody to accept you or like you. There are many good people in this country and some of them have biases against our faith. God will sort that out. We should just do our best to be among the good people.

  • Andy
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    The Republican Party will reap what it has sown - A life long Republican will now consider a party swith. This is not because of Romney but due to the blatant disregard for the principles of the constitution - NO Religious test for President - The Republican Party By putting the Christian Right Wing in their back pockets has caused a potential opportunity for the Democratic Party to win in the west for the first time in a long time.

    I hope those of us in Utah will not vote the party line but really look at the situiation and vote accordingly - The Republican party has either abandoned us and or never even considered us. The need for a third part has never been greater.

    I belive this should count for local leaders as well let the Republican Party feel the sting of this outrage

  • Steve Price
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    I served a mission in Oklahoma, parts of Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas. The Southern Baptists are not the only ones who share an anti-Mormon sentiment. However, most of the Christian church members don't know much about Mormonism, they just listen to what their ministers tell them and accept that. I believe it is more accurate to say it is the religious leaders that have the anti-Mormon feelings and they pass it around.

    Frankly, I was very surprised by the success that Mitt Romney experienced. I think he was well liked by most of the people that knew him. Those steeped in ignorance and other party affiliation only listen to inaccurate media information. In 2012, Obama may find he can't win a 2nd term with a sour economy and Romney might have more support. Wait and see.

  • Rick
    Feb. 13, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    After having read some of the comments, I have come to the conclusion that we mormons do not want to be kissing cousins of any other Christian religion. What we really want are two things: First, we want to be free to call ourselves Christian because in our hearts we follow our Lord an Savior Jesus Christ and second we want to be free to define our brand of Christianity as we see fit. I find it the height of arrogance to call another's Christian faith anything other than Christian because it does not follow the specific doctrines of your own sect.

    I find solice in the fact that I can go to my Church services with the express expectation that I will spend my time personally worshipping my God and fellowshipping with my fellow brothers and sisters with the goal of becoming a bit more like Him I attempt to serve and NOT to spend my time belittling or attacking the doctrines of other faiths.

    I'm thankful for the efforts of those who are so virulently against us. It only serves to strengthen my testimony and remind me that we truly are a peculiar people. We should be proud!

  • Why Mitt lost
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    1. No question that a fair amount of religious bigotry still exists, some people will simply not vote for a Mormon no matter what.

    2. Mitt was successfully labeled as a flip-flopper by his opponents (he certainly flipped on several issues, but didn't "flop" back; it's too bad one can't change their mind)

    3. Mitt said stupid things about seeing his dad march with Martin Luther King (untrue) and hunting all his life (untrue), which made him appear like John Kerry in being willing to say anything to get elected

    4. There's quite an animosity toward the rich in this country, and Mitt looks, acts, and spends like a disdainful Ken-doll rich white man that has no empathy for "real people"

    5. Mitt came across as mean, unlikeable, disagreeable, and unable to cooperate with others--even in his own party--to make things happen. I believe the animosity he created among other Repuplican contenders was his final doom.

    It's too bad, because I feel that Mitt was the best-qualified presidential candidate the U.S. has ever seen; I think he would have made a stellar president. In the end, he's blazed a good trail that he'll be able to follow in 2012.

  • RI Reader
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:56 a.m.

    In New England, Mormons are really not well known, in spite of people like Mitt who are always finding a way to be in the public eye. However, Mitt's campaign did open doors that would not have otherwise been open. My neighbors all want to know more about the church now - because they want to know what this fuss is all about.

    Every cynical comment (such as Mormons actually believe Jesus and the Devil are borthers) didn't offend my neighbors - it piqued their curiosity. I had many missionary conversations that came about through people taking pot shots at the church in the news to defame the Mormons. All they really did in my town was contribute to free advertising and a boost in missionary work.

    I would not have voted for Mitt for a number of reasons (all having to deal with his poor human relations skills), but I am glad he made his religion an issue to be talked about. It is truly a religion worth talking about ... over and over.

  • stracypete
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:52 a.m.

    Latter Day Saints need to quit obsessing about "fitting in" and "being accepted," and spend more time getting to know their neighbors in a genuine way, doing acts of service and adhering to the time-honored values of hardwork, honesty, integrity and family. Those speak for themselves and stand as a memorial to their beliefs more than any detractors ---Evangelical or otherwise, could say. We need to walk the walk; not just talk about it. We all know most Evangelicals are good people who are largely blinded by the craftiness of some of their leaders who are inwardly panicked at losing their congregations and income to a lay church.

  • Jack from Ark
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:55 a.m.

    I laugh every time I hear that Huccabee lead Arkansas for 10 and a half years. First of all the only reason he could ascend to the governorship,Was because his predecessor was found guilty of various crimes that were found out by the folks investigating Clinton. Huccabee would sell his soul (and probably already has to get to the presidency)So when you hear him "preach politic across the pulpit you shouldn't be surprised when he slanders a church or an individual. Not all Southern Baptists believe this nonsense. But you have to deal with these folks on a one on one basis. Be good examples and the world will see this good. BE BETTER

  • stracypete
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    Latter-Day Saints need to quit obsessing about "fitting in" and just live their lives as they are taught. Don't just talk the talk, but have lives that reflect quiet devotion to the Savior's example. Then it truly doesn't matter what Evangelicals or others say. By their fruits ye shall know them.... I am glad that, for the most part, Mormons don't return fire and get down int he mud with some Evangelical preachers who are worried about losing their income to a lay-church. Most evangelicals are good people who are "blinded by teh craftiness of men."

  • Alan
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:38 a.m.

    It isn't just evangelicals who are responsible for what happened to Romney. The media nursed the religious elitism and bigotry in their coverage. The entire time, all they could cover was controversial topics like polygamy and proselyting. There was no mention of the many, many strengths and admirable aspects of the Mormons and their faith.

    Also bearing responsibility is the main body of conservatives who complain that Romney was rejected, but neither said nor did NOTHING to undermine the whisper campaign against Romney's faith. This was a chance for conservatives to show they opposed religious discrimination, to show they had no patience with Christian elitism. They could easily have stood-up for what was right. Instead, they chose only to attack McCain and left Romney unsupported and undefended until the very last minute ... when it was too late. No one wanted to be associated too closely with 'those Mormons.'

    Americans are hardly the open-minded, fair, tolerant people they claim to be, and that goes for people on the right, on the left, and in the middle.

  • pat logiudice
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:27 a.m.

    It is a sad commentary on America IF Mitt Romney`s religeon detered his bid for office.
    I am one of many in Florida who voted for Mitt, recognizing that (as far as I`m concerned) he was the ONLY real gentleman and respectful person running for office! His religeon is genuine to him, he has "lived it" proudly for his entire lifetime. His beliefs differ from mine, but I thought that fact was what defined our nation! (Someone with different beliefs, living what he believes and producing positive and helpful results in this world!)
    He would have made a wonderful president, providing wisdom, genuineness and pride to this country.

  • Ron in OC
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:17 a.m.

    Help me understand. The information on this blog indicates comments that are offensive will not be posted. It appears that anything that blasts the LDS Church is not considered offensive, but anything that dares mention Baptists is considered offensive. WHY???

  • Nate
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:06 a.m.

    Not ready for an LDS president? Are you kidding me?

    Mormons have shaped our countries history and innovation. FamousMormons dot NET has an array of successful mormons who most americans know and accept!

  • Roger
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:04 a.m.

    "In Manhattan, The New York Times poked fun at LDS missionaries who didn't realize that Mitt Romney has dropped out of the presidential race. In my book, it's an unfair piece, particularly the headline: 'Missionaries spread the news, but dont read it.'"

    That might not be flattering, but it IS accurate. The missionary rules forbid reading, watching, or listening to the news. So why call the description unfair? Because missionaries *can't* read the news because the rules governing their missions forbid it?

    Don't blame the New York Times. Blame the White Bible.

  • Mark
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:02 a.m.

    Jay,

    I live in Mass. Rommey certainly was not in favor of same sex marriage. That I know.

  • Ron in OC
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:43 a.m.

    I've come to the conclusion that many Mormons want to be accepted as mainstream Christians. Mormons never have been and I don't think ever will be considered "kissing cousins" with Baptists and some of the other "mainstream christians". You know what, that's ok with me. I don't need Bible thumpers from the South to validate my religion and to be honest, if Southern Baptists are mainstream christians, why would I ever want to dumb down my religion for their approval.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:44 a.m.

    Howard Fineman and Jim Wallis, both powerful voices in the news media, said it best: Romney lost not because of his religion but because he was not likeable and he was insincere. In short, he was a used car salesman who changed his position according to the way the wind blew.

  • Used to be
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:34 a.m.

    Mormons understand that people find them odd for their beliefs, but they don't understand WHY. It's because rank and file members find themselves defending a history that they're ignorant of. Have a courage to dig deeper into the church's history and founding, and you'll then understand. What Mormons call misperceptions in reality is often their own ignorance.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:26 a.m.

    You thought that NY Times piece on Mormons was "unfair"?! Wow. You've become blinded by your obsession with media bias.

  • I agree
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:31 a.m.

    I agree with the writer. Who cares what the evangelicals think. They're attacks were only seen for what they were: not good-faith theological diffeernces, but rather rank bigotry.

  • REP
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:28 a.m.

    Greg,,,,it won't do any good to look to a 2012 try by Mitt, simply because Obama will be the next president for two terms. The most liberal canidate has been sucessfull in painting such a "gloom and doom,- the sky is falling!" campaign, that a lot of america, including the left leaning media have been sold, all the while, not having to explain a single accomplishment as a senator. The Republicans have lost the trust of america, to simply put forth a canidate that makes many hopefull promises, no matter how much more experiance, he might have as a leader.

  • Keep adding fuel to the fire
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:21 a.m.

    Instead of everyone coming together this will keep us more divided.

  • Lynn H in Tennessee
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:20 a.m.

    Exactly right -- a kick UP the stairs. I like it!

  • Greg Wizer
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:26 a.m.

    Jay, take a look at Romney's RECORD as governor in Massachussetts and then come back and tell us how he voted on the issues of human life, marriage and taxes.

    It was a combination of his religion and the label of flip-flopper the media gave him. Now I know McCain would never change his mind (taxes - amnesty) nor would Huckabee (amnesty) but those aren't flip floppers, right?

  • Todd, Norfolk VA
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:13 a.m.

    Mitt Romney's campaign was not a failure. Many people I work with were terribly disappointed when he dropped out. His supporters were split between Huckabee and himself which hampered his success. He ran a good campaign based on principle, not on religion. He will be back and he will win. The mass media hurt Mitt more than any anti-mormonism. He was splitting the "evangelical" vote in almost all states except for the south. THAT IS SUCCESS!

  • Eric
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:12 a.m.

    As a member of the LDS Church in Iowa who was actively involved in the whole process, I can tell you that Romney's Mormonism is what allowed Huckabee an opportunity to win the caucus. I had several people who didn't know I was a member of the LDS Church tell me flat out that they would never vote for him because of his religion. Obviously, there were other factors involved as well, such as what appeared to be a recent conversion to conservatism on his part, although truth be told, I think he had previously positioned himself as more of a moderate than he really was in order to win in a very Democratic state. In the end, though, I don't think any Mormon would have prevailed against a Southern Baptist preacher who could easily rally the support of hundreds of protestant church congregations.

  • Angel
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:06 a.m.

    I was disappointed, but not surprised. The Book of Mormon clearly states that in the latter-days the Gentiles will harden their hearts and reject the gospel, thus causing the "remnant of Jacob" to go through them as a lion amongst the flocks. The (relatively) few who repent will be numbered among the House of Israel and ASSIST the remnant in building the New Jerusalem. Let's do what we need to do in order to be numbered among the House of Israel who inherit this land.

  • Bill
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:00 a.m.

    I didn't vote for him because I disagree with him. As a Mormon, I am always confused when my brothers and sisters flock to the Republicans, who hold them in such distain. There are certainly Democrats who don't like organized religion, in general, but I haven't ever heard the suggestion voiced that one shouldn't vote for someone because they are "religious" or a Mormon. It just isn't raised as an issue among Democrats.

  • Greg
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:59 a.m.

    California was Romney's last stand on super Tuesday and we let him down. I passively watched when I should have got involved volunteering to help with his campaign. If he runs again in 2012, I'll be an active member of his campaign. We let the best qualified candidate get away this election. I do think there is a lot of mormon hate taught by the Baptists and Evangelicals that gives any Mormon running for Pres. a disadvantage.

  • Jay
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:50 a.m.

    I don't think Romney's failure had anything to do with Mormonism, much as the media has tried to paint Christians as bigots. Romney's church affiliation was far less an issue with the media than was Huckabee's--although Huckabee had been a governor for 10 1/2 years and hadn't been a pastor since '91, the media disdainfully considered him "the Baptist preacher."

    It's very simple. Up until a couple of years ago, Romney had been supportive of the pro-choice/pro-gay agenda in his state. His conversion wasn't convincing, and the millions of his own money he put into the campaign made some conservatives feel he was trying to buy their votes. Voters who supported the human life amendment, marriage amendment, and FairTax simply found a candidate whose message resonated with them.