Families, friends fearful after raid

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  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:52 p.m.

    To: Animalous | 10:01 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008

    Are you threatening the LDS missionaries?

    FYI you don't have to be LDS to read this paper or live in Utah.

    It is a good thing that the FBI&INS/ICE can access your address though your posts.

  • Animalous
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:01 p.m.

    I just feel sorry for all the missionaries in Mexico as I am sure many of these not so loving blogs are sent there in reference in how the members really feel about these people. I am sure your new Prophet will answer you guys straigth up..until then some of you need to maintain some kind of harmony in your own lives. These people were exploited by the corporations and the administrations going back to Clinton. After 9/11, the borders should have been immediatly secured , law enforcement cross trained instead the flood gates were opened to various regions of the nation. Full knowledge of this was known all along of this situation and was allowed to get worse. It will be interesting what your leader will have to say on this until then I would think the lynch mob attitude as many of these blogs illustrate are not the peace unto the world approach neccessary as you are putting some innocent missionaries somewhere in danger or harms way by making some of the hateful remarks! He or she might just be someone you know!

  • pissedoff
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:44 p.m.

    "Sharon Elementary School in Orem is 50 percent Hispanic" "Orem Junior High, with a student population that's 21 percent Hispanic"
    Well, that would explain all all spray painted fences around here.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:16 p.m.

    There is only sadness and fear when people are not obeying the law? What else should they be feeling?

    Also, mercy can only be extended when justice can be satisfied in some way.

    Such as Jesus paying for sins. Someone must pay.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:18 p.m.

    I have only one question:

    Are mexicans capable of obeying the law or not?

    If they are then do they only choose which laws they want to obey and if any one questions them they are racist?

  • Cal Jones
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:11 p.m.

    Finally, someone is going to start sending these law breakers home. It's about time. Please stop with all the "tearing families apart" baloney. They are all welcome to have a reunion tomorrow morning in their own county. What is truly sad about the situation is that the President of Mexico is a pathetic idiot who spends his time meddling in the affairs of the U.S. rather than doing something to help his own people by creating jobs for them in their own country.
    What kind of a leader spends his time exporting his own people to a foreign nation and then trying to get them citizenship in that country? What an idiot! We need to send twelve million invaders back to their own country to start a revolution there.

  • GO READ!
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:52 p.m.

    I suggest to all on this blog to go and read about illegals coming here to the USA on the internet, and read about the disease these people are bringing here. You tell me then if this is not something to be extremely concerned about. This is truly unfair to our legal Americans.

  • oh get real
    Feb. 13, 2008 5:08 p.m.

    this is the fraud capital of the united states of america...write it off just like the financial institutions do when it all said and done with. There have been scams after scams involving education and banking here in utah which because of tight hob nobbing ...insurance..the money is lost and that lost is passed down to the consumer. Plus I don't bye into the BOM so you know what what you can do with that!

  • Re: Question
    Feb. 13, 2008 2:53 p.m.

    Go to the Minuteman website. They are an anti illegal immigration website and I bet they have information for.

    Also in repsonse to BOM.

    Mercy can not rob justice. We can work out of a compromise but there must be a mediator who will pay the debt for thier crime. They msut pay a debt before any compromise is agreed upon!

  • re: Abogado Finch Lawyer?
    Feb. 13, 2008 12:08 p.m.


    An advice to the families. Fight by its rights. The deportation is not signed fast, speaks with lawyer first by verifying its rights. Not all, but many tendran rights that them serveria but soon inside the immigration process..... MAKES NO SENSE!!!!

  • re-Abogado Finch
    Feb. 13, 2008 10:57 a.m.

    Your Spanish is very bad. Try taking a Spanish class and learn how to speak true Spanish. Spanish slangs don't work well in America or Spain!

  • Where's the love?
    Feb. 13, 2008 9:39 a.m.

    oh, I forgot this is a new day!

  • Law breakers
    Feb. 13, 2008 7:22 a.m.

    Break American laws and go to jail. It's the best place for criminals. No one is to blame for the law breaker- crime-maker, but the crime maker him self.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 13, 2008 6:37 a.m.

    Scapegoating entire groups of people, like what happened in Nazi Germany, is not a good thing.

  • PETE
    Feb. 13, 2008 1:27 a.m.

    Dumb laws created during the early 90's recesion when illegals were being blame for just about anything under the sun .. need real leadership at Federal level vote OBAMA 08 !! McCain too .. hehe down with Mitt Rattmney

  • Hear Ye! Hear Ye!
    Feb. 12, 2008 3:05 p.m.

    To all illegals!
    Please notify all your illegal friends, that the TIME HAS COME to pack your bags and leave Utah and head back home. You need to spread the word to your families and friends. However, if you dont think to take heed to my words. Then plan to spend some good old jail time, and guarantee you, you WILL NOT enjoy your jail visit, and you will have wished that you had listened to my plea.
    Thank you

  • Oren
    Feb. 12, 2008 2:45 p.m.

    Consequences follow actions. What don't they understand about that?

    Sorry, no sympathy. They knew the consequences when they came here.

  • We need to help Mexico
    Feb. 12, 2008 2:28 p.m.

    If a government doesn't run right for the people in most countries, what happens? The people who have the guts to do something finally change the government. The problem is that we provide a "pressure valve" for Mexico to release the people who have the courage to do something about it into our country. So their country never changes. And never will unless we change and help them change. Mexico has vast natural resources, mild climates, and endless opportunities. What stops them from prospering (other than their own govenment)? We do. By letting all the people who take action come over here. We will not be making anything better for Mexico by making illegals legal. It's like that old saying- why is there no Mexican Olympic Team? Cause everyone that can run, jump, or swim is already over here.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 12, 2008 12:50 p.m.

    Don't know of any website, phone number, etc. but I think you might find some information on what you are seeking in a book.
    It's called "Mein Kampf"

  • Its a matter of law
    Feb. 12, 2008 12:03 p.m.

    These people broke the law. If there was a report that 50 known burlgars were rounded up, we'd be applauding. If they showed pictures of their kids or wives crying, would we feel bad? It is sad they broke the law and put their families at risk. Law enforcement and the law abiders are not at fault when we prosecute or punish law breakers. They made the choice, they face the consequences when caught.

  • liberal means paying attention
    Feb. 12, 2008 11:46 a.m.

    The economy is tanking.
    There appears to be a perpetual war doctrine afoot that will surely bankrupt the country.
    People are now turning to the nasty business of scapegoating entire groups of people.
    These are the darkest times in our long, long history.

  • Franky
    Feb. 12, 2008 10:38 a.m.

    I agree that we need to keep the humanity in the discussion of illegal immigration, but that advice was not a recommendation to increase immigration. Treat lawbreakers as humans, not sub-human minorities, and processing them for their crimes.

    If you want to help them bypass their violation for the law I think it only fair that I be exempted for any small violations I want to make in the future, because as a human with my full rights I am still at fault for my incursions of the law.

    These laws need to be respected, we all suffer when they aren't. I work in a financial institution and when it takes a loss due to someone jumping the country(not just to the south) or using fake SSN, it passes that loss down to everyone.

  • Persecution
    Feb. 12, 2008 6:54 a.m.

    will begat persecution! Are you guys going to the show me state someday, which will suddenly overflow that state with untold numbers amongst a people who might not accept your culture either. Interesting even if done legal and aren't you also to become the most persecuted according to your prophecies also. Just a question..maybe I'm wrong.

  • My dream
    Feb. 12, 2008 6:49 a.m.

    God bless Zion -
    I dream that one day the people of Zion will wake up and realize how much they have turned into the nasty people of the 3rd Reich and discard or change the bad laws.

  • The Higher Law
    Feb. 12, 2008 6:41 a.m.

    oh, excuse me i did't consider the audience...remember as the above post stated "white is always rigth so don't get uptight" shades of group with the burning crosses and this is how that group started...i just send these worthless blogs..as if anyones going to be converted...not even the haters ..as that was always there anyways..but there really is some use as these are sent to the other religious denominations to help determine who really walks the walk..such as you guys just had a powerful leader pass away who wouldn't condone what many are trashing that he preached from the pulpit. Have a good day as I will no longer continue my discussions with the fine young men until conditions change from within. Thank you and god bless each and everyone of you!

  • jfrazier
    Feb. 12, 2008 12:29 a.m.

    To Abogado Finch,

    Also give them the advice to start obeying the law and they can start by going back to their country of origin. Sure they can fight it by getting an attorney, but they are breaking the law, period! Conditions will continue to get worse until this issue can be resolved. Explain that to them as well.

  • arc
    Feb. 11, 2008 10:06 p.m.

    We need to secure our boarders. We need a temp. worker permit or visa for those with jobs. Then we can get rid of anyone that is left not being legal. No One here illegally should qualify for citizenship, unless the go to the back of the line. Everyone should learn English.

  • God bless Zion
    Feb. 11, 2008 8:23 p.m.

    Zion can certainly improve as it once was, if people will only learn to respect the American laws. Utah is a wonderful and beautiful place to live. The Mormon people once built a clean, secure environment and a peaceful place in which to raise their families. It is time to bring that peace back to our communities that our ancestors had worked so hard from nothing to build. I dream that one day there will be no crimes and that people will dwell here safe once again, like it was while I was growing up.

  • Enforce Laws
    Feb. 11, 2008 7:59 p.m.

    It is good time to enforce American laws to the fullest extent.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 11, 2008 6:55 p.m.

    Just when you think it couldn't possibly get more disgusting in Zion - it gets even MORE disgusting!

  • Straight Talk
    Feb. 11, 2008 5:59 p.m.

    Comp USA Let me ask you, are we to ignor all laws broken by illegal aliens because the are "only here to feed their families"?
    Of the 58 arrested, one was released due to a medical condition, another was released because his family was able to produce his alien registration card (misdemeanor if he fails to carry it). The others...5 prior deports, and 37 others charged with 151 felonies and misdemeanors NOT related to immigration violations. Should we just ignor it all?

  • Respect our laws!!
    Feb. 11, 2008 2:29 p.m.

    To Illegals! If you guys want to gripe and grumble because we Americans dont want you breaking our laws, than PLEASE feel free to EXIT on the nearest highway back to Mexico. You have come to American and then have the nerve to get on an American web-site to bitterly spew and tear down our American society for what we believe in, when you absolutely have right to do this. No one has asked for your rude racist comments. Why dont you guys find someone else to pick fights with instead of lawful abiding Americans. We did not ask you to come here to create start chaos in our country. You have no rights! So please feel free at any given moment to leave. It would be much better for you than facing jail time.
    Good day!

  • Britney
    Feb. 11, 2008 1:38 p.m.

    All I see on this post are illegals who are racists and bigots! Why dont you guys quit using our LDS religion as your scapegoat. Its very foolish and wrong! The church does not accept law breakers.
    Lately whenever I go into a store as a legal white American, I receive MANY dirty looks from Mexicans. I feel that meaning I am here legally, and I as well obey all our laws, that I should in no way receive such disrespect and hateful treatment from these people. I personally have done nothing to them.

    It is true, that 30 years ago, you would seldom see a Mexican in Utah. Most Mexicans back then would not come here. It was too much of a cultural shock for them. Our traditions are very different. However, I really hate being treated in a land that my ancestors built to this beautiful place we live today, do I deserve such treatment. I have done nothing wrong.

  • AAAh
    Feb. 11, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    There they go again the christians..stoning each other as in nitwits! yes, quite uplifting.

  • Go To Church
    Feb. 11, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    on Sunday, Prosecute( I mean persecute) on Monday..where's that celestial love the kind that is always talked about..oh must mean just for some.

  • 2/9/ WRZ
    Feb. 11, 2008 12:37 p.m.

    real inligthening comment and Hannah get a grip as racist remarks like that are dispicable to many TODAY right now, as I have grandchild who are of Anglo-Native American descent unless your in the church and feel the same as that idiot!

  • informal & mindless
    Feb. 11, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    I wished people would PLEASE leave religion out of illegals being in the USA. It is WRONG to use GOD or religion to break laws... It's totally ridiculous!

    Please tell me what are we dealing with here? A bunch brainless half-wit incompetent nitwits!!!!

    Jesus didn't go around killing people, stealing, robbing, and spray painting peoples property.

    I'd like a phone number to report these people as well. I'm tired of all the disrespect!
    Thank You!

  • Hold your Handcarts
    Feb. 11, 2008 12:07 p.m.

    I think one of the above commentors directed toward WRZ does refer to a very racist remark which I believe in no way reflects the feeling of the church toward minorities. That should be removed as it depicts hate and is very pertinent to today at this day and time! And I am not on his bandwagon for sure!

  • It has everything to do
    Feb. 11, 2008 9:15 a.m.

    as ideology is perpetuated by historical fact hence why do they replay the Pioneer day scenary now a days!

  • Cresley Walker
    Feb. 11, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    I lived for almost 2 years in Mexico City and Guadalajara and surrounding cities sharing my cultural and sports knowledge and found Mexico to be a beautiful country with very hospitable and hard working people but lacking in technology and knowledge and I believe it is true that resources would be better spent in solving the root cause of the problem which is poverty
    but I also believe in obeying the law or working to change the law, however that being said this influx of immigrants was foretold two thousand years ago in a quote attributed to Jesus Christ:
    3 Nephi 21:12
    And my people who are a remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest

    3 Nephi 20:16
    Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep

    Cresley Walker

  • Hannah
    Feb. 11, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    Re WRZ
    That is wonderful that your folks helped my folks over 170 years ago, but it has nothing to do with what is happening with the illegals in the year of 2008! LET'S TALK ABOUT NOW! Things are a bit different nowadays.

  • hey WRZ
    Feb. 11, 2008 7:39 a.m.

    I'm a minority of native american descent and I beg to differ with your opinion..I too am against illegal immigrants but I am not going to jump on your bandwagon for sure. In fact if my grandfather hadn't been able to "mix" with yours in WWII, we'd all be ran by immigrants under a different regime. Another fact is my great -great -great grandfather chief Big Elk showed compassion to the Saints at what is refered to as Winter Qtrs. during their time of need of desperation also. Brigham Young asked our people for refuge from the Mobs and was able to obtain that by signing a treaty with the Omaha allowing the US cavalry to provide protection. With out that treaty which I believe was one of the very few kept by the immigrants , there may have been no Utah or Steve Young for that matter. So in other words don't go kicking all the minorities underneath the rug and say you discovered me!

  • Irritated
    Feb. 11, 2008 6:20 a.m.

    I see the illegals all across this country, from Washington state to Florida. When is America going to wake up? The mexicans burn our flags, hoist their own up, have their holidays and make fun of the USA's. They want free education, health care, assistance, and all because they are "undocumented". Say it like it is - they are ILLEGAL. They have broken the law by coming here illegally. If they have falsified papers, that is a FELONY. Put them where they need to be, jail. Deport them and their families. Coming here is not a right, but a priviledge. Priviledges must be earned. and maintained. That means you serve and sacrifice to live in a free country. I get so fed up with the liberal media showing their plight. Great - 350 a month in Mexico is a lot like 3500 a month in Utah. Pretty good money. The illegals complain about our laws and they are unfair to them. Tool bad. Here is a solution - go back home.

  • thank you FINCH
    Feb. 10, 2008 11:30 p.m.

    for your advise ..

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 10, 2008 9:23 p.m.

    To Go for it!,
    You may have misunderstood Poorexcuse @7:31p.
    I also think the companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants should pay very heavy fines. Some should be jailed for aiding and abetting criminals. Some businesses should be shut down, their property seized and sold to repay society for their crimes.
    That said, the illegal immigrants should not be given amnesty. They should be sent back, including their families, to their homeland where they can enter legally or not at all!
    We have a right to maintain our sovereignty in this nation. Lawless people create subjugation and have no place (besides jail) in these United States of America.
    Come here legally or don't come at all!

  • Go for it!
    Feb. 10, 2008 8:34 p.m.

    RE--WOW you are so right about being weary who serves you food --- I like Mexican food, but lately eating in their restaurants has made me and my family very sick. I think the health department needs to go under-cover with investigation on these joints. They do not like Anglo Saxons. Something is going on with the food served to Anglos, at least this has been our experience.

    You are going nowhere with your posts on here. Americans do not want to listen to you anymore. You are wasting all your time typing for a lost cause. Sorry! but you need to be a nice person and help your Mexican friends back to Mexico. It's up to you!

  • poorexcuse
    Feb. 10, 2008 7:31 p.m.

    the worse people invovled in this are the greedy buisness owners who are getting wealthy by stepping on the backs of the bruised. (paying illegals low wages, not hiring legal workers, and directly contributing to the crime in america by aiding illegals

  • WOW
    Feb. 10, 2008 7:09 p.m.

    If I were an illegal I would start saving up to make my journey back home legal. And if I were a Legal I would be weary who serves you food in the future!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 10, 2008 5:49 p.m.

    I make no apologies for the plight of anyone in this country illegally.

    Have I had a fantastic life? Far from it. Does that mean I'll run to Canada just because things are tough?

    I am going to say something many will disagree with but must acknowledge as true: Mexico is becoming overpopulated because they are predominantly Catholic and do not practice birth control because of their faith.

    If a man can't care for those he has, should he continue to create mouths he cannot feed? Personal responsibility is more than just putting food on the

    A lack of employment is a self-made condition. They have only themselves to blame.

    Proponents of illegal immigration cry about families being torn apart. I have a very simple solution: deport the entire family.

    They knew they were here illegally when they began having relations and creating children. What did they think would happen? Just because the children are citizens by birth does not mean they cannot be raised in Mexico or points south.

    I applaud the raids. It's about time we do what's right for America.

    And Abagado Finch needs to learn English if he's going to live here.

    Continue the raids.

  • Don't Blame Us!
    Feb. 10, 2008 4:56 p.m.

    The only thing for an illegal to fear is fear it's self. If American laws are broken deliberately by illegals, then they should fear only being caught and going to jail. It is their fault and NO ONE ELSE'S!
    They choose to come hear knowing that it is wrong and that they as well may end up going to jail, and If they have any intelligence at all, they would realize that they cannot blame anyone in America for their well thought-out plan to break our laws. It's the illegals mistake and theirs alone. They are completely to blame and for jepordizing their selves along with their family. So take responsibility illegals and QUIT blaming us!

  • John Lennon
    Feb. 10, 2008 4:32 p.m.

    Had the proper papers! Even his wife who couldn't sing a note did too! So cry me a river as wide as the Rio Grande!

  • And the Band Played On
    Feb. 10, 2008 4:20 p.m.

    hey Dnews send your reporters out to where all the accusations or sites of freebies , are being committed , address them in a fair fashion. Visit the slums that once were good neighborhoods, check how sweet the landlords live. Check the emergecy rooms...schools which leave our American teachers and children behind just to justify the word compassion..but most of all check what was signed into legislation under Bush called "The North American Union in 2005" then you will get a grip on how things are comming about. The Legal Americans are voicing their opinions because they see and won't be confused by rhetoric. This system was created with full knowledge of our leaders for a reason..the consequences are recognized by the voters finally. Then look at the solutions as good journalism does, for just as familiarity breeds contempt. This issue will not go away and seems to be headed to a volatile situation. Then find out how many good religious people are actually getting rich off these people. Cause money changes everything...just check Western Union..I work with many illegals who actually own villas and businesses then use the cheap labor in Mexico for their own profit also! Freebies!

  • "Share" the debt too?
    Feb. 10, 2008 3:08 p.m.

    To John Lennon song,

    Can we share the trillions of dollars in debt too?

    We have 8 migrant worker programs.

    Anyone who is willing to enter legally is welcome.

    The USA has helped make Mexico very wealthy. They don't have the debt we do. They have our money. It is sent "home" by those who will always be Mexicans.

  • Larry
    Feb. 10, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    To 2:45

    You miss the WHOLE POINT! You leave out American laws. Are you blind to this FACT? Breaking our laws are not Christian...along with stealing and murder. You just don't seem to get it. It is not the fault of Americans that Mexican people come here looking for a handout. We have our poor too. You are so one-sided that it is crazy.
    I will never feel sorry for law breakers. Please quit using God and religion for breaking our laws. They do not go together!!! Shame-on-you!

  • Elizabeth
    Feb. 10, 2008 2:54 p.m.

    My responses are not being posted. I guess you only want to post comments that say things like "send the illegals to jail or deport them" I hope Anjie realizes that not all people with white skin assume the worst and some of us even learn Spanish so we can communicate . As I said on a comment that was not posted, I hope these comments don't show a true representation of the majority of the attitudes of people in Utah. We really haven't come very far in the past 50 years-there was a time when Japanese could not be naturalized citizens,even though their children were born American citizens. Laws change over the years, but people do not. Sometimes you just have to do what is right...you didn't post my comments on helping the families of the men arrested. To RU LDS-at at least they post you.I also referred to the leaders asking legislators to show compassion.And I agree with you-I hope the people posting are not LDS.If so, they read a different version of 2 Nephi 2.

  • To Andrea at 1:08pm
    Feb. 10, 2008 2:47 p.m.

    The John Lennon song DOES HAVE Much to say on the subject of Sharing the resources of the World.

    Andrea, Thanks for responding.

    Most people who come here to the USA (the way many do) do so out of desperation. They come to hopefully find a better life. Many don't have much in resources or education. The countries that
    many leave are very SELFISH about sharing the
    wealth. Hungar is terrible.

    Jesus taught us to SHARE. The person who posted a little earlier on this site about coming from missionary service KNOWS that things are REALLY BAD in some countries, because they SAW it and SAW the reality.

    To quote from another song by Joe South,

    Walk a Mile in my Shoes,
    Walk a Mile in my Shoes,
    Before you criticise, accuse, and abuse,
    Walk a Mile in my Shoes.

    I don't mean to be harsh, but it is very HARD to totally understand someone else's plight until
    one has seen their world.

    God Bless you Andrea.
    God Bless all who have addressed this issue.

    This is a tuff situation. That's why it is SO controversial.

    Those seeking high political office have to deal with it too.

    God Bless....

  • Andrea
    Feb. 10, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    The John Lennon song has nothing to do with illegals breaking the laws. And for your information Americans give a lot of support to other countries, so I don't know where you are comeing from with greed? I do know however that many Americans are homeless and hungry. So we as Americans should serve, help and put our American citizen's FIRST! I think it's well know that Mexico is the Greedy country were talking about. Mexico should care for their own. It is not an American problem to take care of illegal Mexicans.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 10, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    Some of the pictures they use for these articles give me the HEE-BEE-GEEBIES!

  • DahktaD
    Feb. 10, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    8 USC 1325 does indeed make entering the country illegally a crime. Please take a moment to read Title 8, in full before commenting. It does make you look like an idiot.

    And all this xenophobic and racist talk...how many Hispanic-AMERICAN ICE agents were doing their sworn duty at Lindon? Around 60%. Are they racist for DEFENDING THEIR COUNTRY?! No, they are true AMERICANS!

  • In response
    Feb. 10, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    To: R U LDS? | 10:51 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008

    1)Being illegally here is a crime. Crimes are separated into groups i.e. Felony, misdemeanors. There are also traffic offenses which fall into a different category, but can have the crimes attached to them.

    2)It is NOT impossible to come here to work legally! We have EIGHT migrant worker programs. Some farming areas have a huge influx of workers (without families) during the planting through harvest seasons. The workers send almost all their money home. Most can provide for 3-5 families during the months they stay.

    3)To show compassion does NOT mean to ignore laws or allow our country to perish. We as a people should be treating others (including illegal immigrants) with respect and dignity. We should be providing a way for families to safely return to their homelands. That would be the compassionate thing to do.

    Taking quotes out of context will rarely win an argument or persuade others to your way of thinking. Try to make an educated argument.

  • Some Thoughts
    Feb. 10, 2008 8:23 a.m.

    Some thoughts from the
    late John Lennon about
    people getting along:

    Imagine all the people living for today

    Imagine all the people living life in Peace
    Nothing to kill or die (and hate) for

    Imagine all the people Sharing ALL the world
    No need for GREED or HUNGAR

    Imagine a Brotherhood of Man

    You may say I'm a dreamer,
    but I'm not the only one

    Hope someday You'll join us
    and the world will live as one...

  • Joyce
    Feb. 10, 2008 6:47 a.m.

    Send all the illegal people in this country to their own countries. If they come here LEGALLY that is ok. Keep the criminals out of this country. Obey the laws of the land or go to jail or be sent back where you came from. You can go home and use what you have learned here to find ways to get jobs and help your own country to be better.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 10, 2008 3:51 a.m.

    Lisa: They can get temporary food help at the food bank.

    peggy: Migrant farm workers are here on work visas.

    The "family" of 16 that live down the street from me all work in construction, except one son who works at a fast food outlet.

    My personal observation: these raids are being held because of the elections coming up, and if the wrong people are elected, they will stop once the elections are over.

  • CNA
    Feb. 10, 2008 3:12 a.m.

    2/3 of illegal aliens (read Mexicans) do not even have a high school education in Mexico---no wonder wages are depressed by them in the US--no skills!!!

    Uneducated low wage Illegal aliens cost US taxpayers $2,700 per illegal household per year, even after paying their taxes!!! ***

    If illegal aliens receive amnesty, the estimated annual deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion!!! And some say illegals pay their way? NO WAY!!!

    Services such as Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance, food stamps, WIC, free school lunches ($1.9 billion); federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion)added up to more than $26.3 billion in costs for the US in 2002 and the illegals paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a deficit of almost $10.4 billion.


    *** This was a study by the Center for Immigration Studies--- an independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization founded in 1985. It is the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States.

  • Just tired
    Feb. 10, 2008 2:12 a.m.

    If it's so great in South America and medical care is so good and life is great, why are so many coming to USA? Why are so many illegals here sending money south to bring more here illegally? Stay there and make your own country better. If you don't care enough to fight to make your homeland better, wallow in your own condition. STOP making my country sink lower and lower in standards. GO HOME.

  • agreed
    Feb. 10, 2008 12:07 a.m.

    TimJ is right on. The problem, TimJ, is that Americans are too selfish to offer to help do this. I've lived in Mexico and there are plenty of "work wanted" signs. You just have to be educated. The LDS Church understands that education is the way out of poverty. Can you imagine if the U.S. implemented something akin to the perpetual education fund in Mexico? "We'll help you get educated, but you'll have to pay it back, with some small interest." We could help solve the problem in Mexico, but there'd be an outcry of, 'why should we do what there government isn't doing?' (which would be justified if we didn't do it here first, I admit).

    Feb. 9, 2008 11:46 p.m.

    Yes, I am LDS, but not an idiot. Wake up and open your eyes to what's going on here! Are you just off your mission from Latin America? Maybe when you start into the "real world", you will understand where all 200 of us who have commented on this are coming from!

    The good thing for you is you can practice your poor Spanish with these illegals...

  • Abogado Finch? What a joke.
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:39 p.m.

    You're Spanish is ridiculous, you're easily some whitebread return missionary who never "came home". Next subject for you to study: Economics! Learn how these illegals are crushing our economy and making the dollar worth nothing.

    Wake up, buddy! The "rights" of these people went out the window when they illegally were taken across by los coyotes.

  • Ryan
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:38 p.m.

    These people were doing their best for themselves and their families. To do so they risk everything to come here and be treated inconsiderately by bigots. Those deported in this raid were working hard to provide for their families. Would you do any different. If I was providing for my family and struggling with little hope, I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing. They are people of faith, family oriented and hard working. I'm glad they're here and I think they add to our community.

  • R U OK LDS?
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:04 p.m.

    Last time I checked a misdemeanor is a crime. Last time I checked the LDS folk were encouraging people to stay in their native country and make it better (ever heard of perpetual education fund?) I cannot find anywhere in the bible where Jesus says to break the laws of the land. Even the LDS article of faith 13 says something about following the law. And, it is against the law (i.e. a crime) to enter a country (any country) illegally. And, I love ALL my legal neighbors, from any country.

  • AnotherReader
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:00 p.m.

    The problem I have is this: the illegals come here because the US takes care of them. They are given welfare benefits (I work in a hospital and see how many are on welfare type insurances). Our own citizens, those who were born and raised here cannot get government help when needed, most of the time. I am a single mom and I work 10+ hour days to make it because there is no help available to a single mom of 1 child. If we took care of our people first, I would have no problem with our country helping anyone... but we don't. It's very sad! Our deficit is growing at a scary rate because we are taking care of everyone else first. It scares me of what will happen to our country if this doesn't stop!

  • Disappointed
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:56 p.m.

    I know one of the journalists who wrote this piece, and I must admit that although I love her a lot, I am disappointed in this biased piece of work. If someone wants to come to this country, there are legal means available to them. Does it take a long time? Yes, it can but the person wanting in has NO right to insist that they be granted entrance at all, let alone in a speedy fashion. This nation cannot possibly take in and care for all of the world's (or even the hemisphere's) poor. It is mathematically impossible. So until we start to enforce our laws, our own society will get closer and closer to disintegration. Then who will hire the illegal workers? To be a sovereign nation, we MUST control our borders and those who enter the country. I also say that it hurts to see families, especially children, upset and in pain over this, but it is the natural consequence of their illegal actions. Don't break the law and you will not suffer these consequences and your family will stay together.

  • R U LDS?
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:51 p.m.

    I hope people here are NOT LDS, because that's not what we are taught at Church. Love thy neighbor, etc.
    Before you judge people, you need to know the following FACTS:
    1) Being an ILLEGAL in the US is NOT a crime, is just a misdemeanor.
    2) To come legally to work in the US is almost IMPOSSIBLE.
    3) Our General Authorities asked the Utah legislators to see the HUMAN part of the ILLEGAL immigration problem. To show compassion on the issue.
    I don't see NONE of that on most of the comments in this blog.
    You are a bunch of hypocrites like the opponents of Jesus in the New testament, who asked everybody to obey the LAW. The law breakers were many times killed.
    One day all of us will be accountable for our actions and thoughts.

  • Jeanie
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    Thank you for your comment INTERNATIONAL TRAVELER,

    You are quite correct. We always respect other countries and laws when we travel outside the USA. We would never enter a country illegally. Some people are raised with good moral values no matter how poor they are. They also respect other peoples property, and don't go around committing crimes, and never expect something for free. These illegals See how many freebies they can consume with there woe is me rhetoric. If that doesn't work--THEN ITS TIME TO GO STEAL IT!

  • APM
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:33 p.m.

    I have seen the courts in St. George stuffed with illegals. I have heard that in every area where the illegals live, they have the highest crime rate, drop-out rate, teen pregnancy rate, etc. We should let the tired, poor, etc., into our country, but should we allow those who are not willing to assimilate. I say let everyone who is willing to live and work for the American dream, come and live it! But, if you are here to merely take the dream from those who are already here and then send it back "home", then please stay "home" and build your dreams where your heart is.

  • International Traveler
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:08 p.m.

    Sara Israelsen-Hartley and Amy K. Stewart, shame on you. Our legal system shows justice and mercy to these criminals. They have the choice to go back home in one piece, or to plead their case before our courts.

    I respect the laws of Mexico when I am in that country. If I don't, I face the risk of rotting in a filthy jail cell for the rest of my life. I respect the laws of the Philippines when I visit there, where my immigration documents state "Death to Drug Traffickers." My co-workers in Mexico City wear business suits, live in homes no worse than what my grandparents lived in, and drive the same type of cars I do, thanks to the U.S. economy providing millions of jobs to the third world.

    Everyone has families. This is no reason to justify breaking the laws of other countries.

    You need to get your facts straight. There are many opportunities for education and work in Mexico and other countries in the urban centers, just like here in the U.S. But if I go to a remote town in North Dakota there aren't too many jobs there, either.

  • Anjie - BORN U.S. Citizen
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:46 p.m.

    I completely understand the point of view of those who don't want undocumented workers to be here. They feel threatened because they don't want their jobs taken. They feel scared because they feel like their country is being taken over by "aliens". It's okay to feel scared and uncertain but the one thing I ask is that you don't assume all Latinos are "illegal". It's gotten to a point in Utah where I will literally be given dirty looks by white people when I go to the store because of their assumptions. NEWS FLASH: JUST BECAUSE I HAVE DARK SKIN DOES NOT MAKE ME A LAW BREAKER!!! Oh yeah, I speak English too! I know people assume otherwise because there ARE so many undocumented workers here in Utah. But instead of blaming whomever has dark skin for the current crime rates write your congressman to demand IMMIGRATION REFORM and VOTE!!!

  • Unbelievable
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:38 p.m.

    We are not against any immigrant coming to America and working here legally. But, those coming here illegally should go back home and do it right. For those whose families have had to go back home, the blame lies with you yourselves. You need to take responsibility for your own actions. The corporations hiring illegals also should be heavily fined and illegals deported. It is not that people won't work the jobs the illegals will. They would if you paid them more than $7.00-$8.00 an hour. No one can raise a family on that amount. All we in Utah ask for are wages that will allow us to make a decent living. By hiring illegals corps. just pocket mopre and more money instead of putting it back into the people who buy their products...the legals/americans. I hope the government cracks down hard on the companies hiring illegals. It is too bad for the children who have to suffer because their parents came here illegally but blame is to be put on the parent not the USA. They knew better.

  • Decide Which Country You Honor
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:43 p.m.

    Abogado Finch,
    Porque estas poniendo tu commercial aqui? No queremos tu "consejo" aqui.

    I'm 1/4 mexican. When my Grandma's family came here, my grandma's parents told her that the family would be speaking english because they were now americans. They also came legally.

    I have experienced more predjudice fom illegal latinos towards native born americans than I have seen of the reverse. Hillary is doing much better among hispanics than Obama. Think about it.

    Illegals that really value what america should stand for will come here legally and will want to become integrated into american society.

    There is no "labor shortage". There is a wage shortage which is made possible by offshoring, outsourcing, and illegal workers. Ultimately those most responsible for the current situation with illegals are the politicians and corporations that have profited from perpetuating illegal immigration.

  • jr
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:19 p.m.

    Lets have the Catholic and Mormon Churches be the sponsors of these illegals and have them pay their medical, school, insurance etc since they want them in their buildings on Sunday so they can count the numbers of converts. There is and has been poverty in America for years but the good folks have turned a blind eye to it -how convenient is that - we can cry for the invaders but not for our own and heaven help us help them. No tears from this Legal Immigrant who paid the price and proved they could speak ENGLISH

  • Jeff in AZ
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:05 p.m.

    I would like to hear more about individuals coming into this country legally-what was the process, the time it took, etc.
    I have traveled extensively to Mexico and most are not living in cardboard boxes, and they do have a future. In Mexico it was a relief to find many people happy with their lives, enjoying their culture, earning a living, and ... many not wanting to emigrate here.
    There are actually places that are far more welcome and actually need more immigrants. One such place is Canada.
    My last point--the Hispanic community has a legitamite history in Utah and in this country--it is not all about illegal immigration. Again, many have ancestry that predate the white majority. Learning a little bit of Spanish and learning about the culture helps to avoid being judgemental and opens doors to understanding.

  • Canadian Bound
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:46 p.m.

    Because of various reasons, my wife and I have looked into moving to Canada. In order to do this, there are several steps that we must do take to legally make it happen (visa, etc). If not, there will be penalties; its that simple. Therefore, why should Mexicans that have a desire to come to the US expect to do so without taking the required steps? As another post indicated, "Break a law, pay the price." Seems like a very simple principle.

  • The Cannons
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:39 p.m.

    As mentioned earlier, Joe Cannon is the editor of the Deseret News. It's time his brother Chis was voted out.

    During the 2001-2003 years there were more jobs here than workers. The Republican solution was to circumvent the Patriot act and let illegals stay here. Now the economy has turned sour, the situation is reversing. Now the mess has to be cleaned up from the failed policy. Why one of the Cannon brothers is using the paper to put forth his brothers interests I don't know.

  • Ray
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:31 p.m.

    Break our laws go to jail. Break our laws go to jail. Break our laws go to jail. Nothing more nothing less.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:06 p.m.

    To: Lisa | 5:57 p.m. Feb. 9, 2008
    I worked in the fields along side legal migrant workers. We made good maney. It wasn't the lousy wages the illegal immigrants were making before the ICE raid.
    You should know that the workers who are part of the legal migrant worker programs are treated with respect and get better wages. Farmers hire legal immigrants unless they want to end up doing the work themselves when ICE comes in. The price of food WILL NOT skyrocket when the illegal ones leave. We have legal ones doing the job right now.

  • Lynn Tilton
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:04 p.m.

    While Mexico may still have a peon economy, there doesn't appear to be any claims that business owners, rural or urban, lash workers. Pancho Villa, and many of his fellow Red Flaggers were. They had the scars on their backs to prove it. Instead of fleeing to the U.S. they fought for freedom.

    "Gringo capitalistas", who relied largely on family employees, fled, leaving all behind. In 1912, those refugees had to live in the El Paso lumber yards until they received documenation that allowed admission.

    Life still is financially tough in Mexico. That's why many are emigrating, albiet without documentation. Mexico's class structure inhibits individual chances for advancement. Mexico has failed to offer them passports so they can openly enter the U.S. Mexico has failed to round up the coyoteros who prey on fellow Mexicans.

    Yet, all who enter this country must abide by the laws of this country. Business managers must do the same. This includes Universal Industrial Sales in Lindon. Because of the firm's failure to ensure all workers from Villa Corona, Jalisco, carried valid work visas, even more Mexicans suffer.

  • Lisa. Get real.
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:33 p.m.

    You think if they decide to farm in their own country they will magically get paid 3 times what they would here? The reality is if America produced what it was capable of they could feed the whole world, prices would drop to nothing because of the surplus and jobs would be lost everywhere. This is the reason farmers get subsidies to NOT produce too much. I have an idea. If the Mexicans would like better living conditions then change the opportunities in their own country. If they wish to come to America they better do it legally. I speak from experience on this. My wife is a FIRST generation immigrant. Her Aunt just got her (legally) and it took about 5 years of waiting to do so. Those who do it right can make a better life. Those who don't must face a life of constantly looking over their shoulder for the big bad police to ruin their lives.

  • In the mean time....
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:24 p.m.

    Let's let the law do their job and elect the best politicians we can. BUT...if there is a hungry child and we can at least feed them--we had better do it, or God help us all. No, we can't all fly to Mexico to feed the kids there, and yes the illegals need to be dealt with. But if hungry kids are in our neighborhood and we can at least FEED them, we better, or don't expect God to be doing you any favors when you are the beggar. For, "all we all not beggars." Donate to the food bank, pay your fast offerings, and remember we were all created by the same God.

  • suds
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:26 p.m.

    One thing many people may not realize that all these children that are born here by an illegal immigrant are automatically US citizens. Tell me how that makes sense. This country has major problems and we are letting the rest of the world take advantage of us. We welcome you if you are here legally.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:25 p.m.

    One of my good friends came to the US illegally, literally swimming across the river, a true "wetback", with his parents and big brother. None spoke the language. Both parents worked as migrant workers and made sure their children learned to work.

    Today, the whole family are now legal citizens.

    His big brother is a math teacher in California, and my friend is a Highschool Principal making a difference. He has a beautiful family with 4 lovely daughters and one young son. The oldest daughter is married and teaches elementary school, 2 are in college, and the son is the star quarterback of the Highschool football team. Both sons support their parents in their retirement.

    So, hey, how do I get my buddy booted out of the country?

  • Duckman
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:15 p.m.

    I agree that these people are a matter of great concern to us. I fear that one day, through their mistakes or ours, great troubles may occur. The ones who come here are usually the most stupid of their nation. Few understand our language, so w e cannot communicate with them through our newspapers. They are not used to freedom and do not know how to use it properly. It has been reported that young men do not believe the y are true men until they have shown their manhood by beating their mothers. They do not believe they are truly free unless they also abuse and insult their teachers. And now they are coming to our country in great numbers. Few of their children know the language. They bring in much of their own reading from their homeland and print newspapers in their own language. In some parts of our state, ads, street signs, and even so me legal documents are in their own language and allowed in courts. Unless the stream of these people can be turned away from their country to other countries, they will soon outnumber us."

    Benjamin Franklin 1751 Titled "German Immigrants

  • Ernest T Bass
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:03 p.m.

    Round up the illegals and instead of putting them in jail, force them to go to school, learn the language, get a good job and a citizenship card, and lets start collecting their taxes.

  • Arizona Border
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:43 p.m.

    New laws in Az will prosecute employers who hire illegals, making it the responsibility of the employer to make sure the worker's documents are in order (I hope they can sort out the good forgeries). However, when the government STOPS paying benefits to illegals, forcing taxpayers to educate their children, and forces illegals and other non-citizens to pay their hospital bills, THEN I will believe the government is serious about this. Meanwhile--we only have one hospital left in southern AZ that has a trauma unit (the others went broke servicing illegals), only one hospital in our county delivering babies anymore--same reason. That's in a county of 3600 square miles. We're 890 miles from Tucson. AND, in addition to the other huge increases in crime, last week, two students were arrested selling serious drugs at our local high school (families and students found with considerable amounts of drugs in the house--and deported--not prosecuted). I want our borders secured--and LEGAL immigration made more possible for the decent, hard-working people who want to become CITIZENS.

  • Too Bad
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:32 p.m.

    Too bad, so sad, now go home and re-enter the US legally. Newsflash...if you snuck into the country you HAVE committed a crime and all crimes should be prosecuted to maintain the rule of law on which our country is based.

  • Lisa
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:57 p.m.

    The next article we will be reading is about how there is no produce in the stores, because harvesting crops is back breaking work that no one with papers wants to do. And we will import it, from south of the border, at a much higher price than we pay now. Anyone want to pay $15.00 a pound for grapes? Does anyone on this comment thread actually know anyone who works in the fields and makes a decent living? I don't either.

    Has anyone ever applied to a work visa to come to this country legally and waited months or years for approval, while your family goes hungry?

  • SteveB
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:58 p.m.

    It's interesting that we didn't have a problem with illegal immigrants from Mexico when our neighbor to the south was far, far, worse off than it is now -- say, during the Mexican Revolution or at any other time up until about three decades ago, and especially since the late '80s. What has changed? Not Mexico -- they've always been poorer than we are, with an economy and political system, hamstrung by corruption and patronage, that creates little wealth and few jobs, relative to the US. What has changed in recent years are our own policies: Our reluctance to prosecute and deport illegals (a reluctance the Mexican government does not share, incidentally, towards its own illegal residents), our willingness to extend amnesty, and, most importantly, our menu of welfare-state benefits, including free or heavily-subsidized medical care, unemployment, schooling, and the like. These incentives, and NOT Mexican poverty or other social ills, are chiefly responsible for the problem. To the charge that cracking down is not compassionate: good government is not characterized by compassion but by proper solicitude for liberty and sovereignty. Let Mexico solve its own problems, as we must solve ours.

  • to WOW
    Feb. 9, 2008 4:45 p.m.

    And why is being a bigot to think everyone including me and you along with all the illegals should obey the law. Are you suggestion we do not need laws, or not to obey the laws of our country?

  • Annoymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 4:27 p.m.

    If you want to come to America then do it LEGALLY. If not then suffer the consequences of your ILLEGAL actions. These people need to go back to Mexico and start the LEGAL process for becoming an AMERICAN citizen. The LEGAL process is to keep the UNDESIRABLE criminals out. They knew they were breaking the law. . therefore suffer the consequences.

  • ID Jazz
    Feb. 9, 2008 4:07 p.m.

    If I go rob a bank, are all the illegal aliens and those in support for illegals going to come running to my defense because I have a family. Didn't think so. You can't adjust the laws to make it fit peoples situations now matter what it is.
    Those of you saying give amnesty to them and let them start paying taxes and paying for there own health care are only setting a precedence that if you flood the U.S. then they have to give in.
    Not only that but giving them amnesty bankrupts the social security system within 10 years because illegals have not paid into the system. Not fair to those us who have done it our whole lives.
    I am sorry but we need to build a wall and force people to come legally. Those of you that don't like it, your welcome to leave.

  • Rachel J.
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:42 p.m.

    After reading the comments it is obvious that the legislators better do what the majority of Utahns want or they will be "deported" in the next election!

  • wrz
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    "5) Realistically, a way to help long-established undocumented families legalize their status. It's too late, and too expensive, to ship out 12 million people."

    We wouldn't have to ship any if they couldn't get work. Take away the magnet of jobs and illegals will quit coming and those here will eventually go home. And for sure, no citizenship, ever, for those who have crossed the borders illegally. Even if the live their entire lives here in illegal status. A total denial of ever becoming citizens for those who broke our immigration laws would go a long way toward discouraging other illegal crossings.

  • Fear
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:38 p.m.

    How much do you want to bet that not all of these families (or their friends) are fearful?

  • America
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:29 p.m.

    Yeah, this is America... it's also known as North America. There's also Central America and South America. So whoever wrote, "This is America and we speak English," could also have said, "this is North America, and we speak English." The 'Americans' whose countries are included in Latin America speak Spanish and Portuguese.

    Also, as was mentioned earlier, not all illegal immigrants are from the 'United States of Mexico,' savvy?

  • wrz
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:28 p.m.

    "What ever happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."?"

    That was written on the Statue of Liberty by the French, not Americans.

    Besides, if we took in all the world's tired, hungry, and poor you'd most likely be crowded out of your home and off your property.

  • no more illegals
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    hey my brother is border patrol. he sees this crap everyday. the sad thing is, were not doing anything major to stop the illegal immigration problem. it appears they have more rights and benefits than american citizens. rather than fighting in iraq and building there economy why don't we waste our time over there. #1 no crazy suicide bombers, #2 it closer = less expense...and the big reason is we'll have a few hundred thousand soldiers over there = ing one hell of a border patrol...at least we would be accomplishing something right? instead of wasting our time and money on the rich getting richer

  • bigbob
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    I'm the son of immigrants who did it legally. Now I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people who aren't even willing to learn to speak our language and try to steal our identities. I don't think so.

  • WOW
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:16 p.m.

    In reading through these comments I am embarresed at how many redneck bigots there are along the Wasatch Front. It is embarrassing. Try going out and educating yourselves so that you are having to compete for the same jobs as these immigrants. Last time I checked we have the lowest unempoyment in the country along with one of the strongest economies. Quit your whining.

  • Objective Reporting?
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:13 p.m.

    I'm surprised that no one at the Deseret News supports the plight of those who've been victimized by illegals or believes in enforcement of existing immigration laws. Why the heavy-handed approach to reporting? Is it that they don't want to lose or offend readers, or is it they wish for an increase in crime to fead a growing appetite for sensational news? Either way, it isn't good for our society--and it is yellow.

  • For Elizabeth
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:06 p.m.

    Have you ever heard of Sonia Nazario she won her paper two Pulitzer Prizes.Look her up. Then ask yourself how can Mexico treat the plight of these people the way they do. Treat others the way you want to be treated isn't that what your saying. You need more info too before you start judging all of us in Utah less then our Brothers Keeper

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 3:05 p.m.

    These families deserve to be fearful. They broke our law and got caught. They deserve all that happens. Next time you come, DO IT LEGALLY>

  • Beware of Bees
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:44 p.m.

    I agree with you Colonel Kilgore. And DahktaD, you're the one that's comical; the problem is not solved and won't be for a very long time. And you say you're looking forward to the next hive... that's a pathetic statement.

  • Mike From Texas
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:49 p.m.

    I'm all for rounding up all the illegals and sending them back to their countries.

    Someone said it wouldn't be cost effective. But there is money available to do this (and jobs would be created). Just use the money that the U.S. annually sends to these countries and if there is any left over (and there probably won't be), then send it.

    And shame on the Deserted News for their lack of publishing articles on BOTH sides of this issue.

    I have no sympathy for illegals.

  • MTM
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    If you're illegal and get caught, why are you surprised?

  • Lee
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:23 p.m.

    We live in the biggest 'peace nik', liberal country in the world: New Zealand.

    But they really know how to protect themselves when it comes to illegal immigrants. When found, illegal immigrants are imprisoned.

    They also found here that people were coming to NZ to have babies so their children would have citizenship - they fixed this by changing the law. Not every baby born in NZ has automatic citizenship now. The parents must be citizens or legal permanant residents. Something the US should consider!

  • ginger
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:18 p.m.

    response to: PEGGY

    why don't you have a heart and help pay for these families to return to Mexico. Maybe you can feel sorry for them and you need to help feed them and give them a ride home. However, my family is poor and needs help too. We barely get by each month. We are legal Americans. We also live the laws and respect them. So feel sorry for people who are poor and have enough sense to NOT break laws.

  • The Law
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    This "breaking the law" business is such a transparent excuse. It's convenient to speak about "obeying the law." How many Americans obey the law? Ever fudge on your taxes? Jay walk? Break the speed limit? Maybe you guys should be rounded up and deported.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    I hate it when there is not a freedom of speech on here. Everyone complains of there words and thoughts be deleted! More bigotry!

  • mmaddox76
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    Why does the enforcement of the law suddenly make the law bad, the law makers the villains and the law breakers the victims? This isn't about fearing the wonderful people of Mexico or any of the great people of Central America either. This is about the rule of law. Those who disregard and break the law need to have the consequences of breaking the law. The outrage expressed by this article would in no way be expressed if the law breaker had been doing drugs and had been caught and left his family waiting for him to bring home the check from work. When there is no regard for the laws set up in individual nations there is no peace in society and no society that stays together. Laws need to be upheld.

  • Hey MEDIA
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:32 p.m.

    Ya know what ? Could you please make it VERY obvious that they broke the law. If you brake the law you pay the price. Quit, please Quit, trying to make the rest of us feel bad that their families are seperated. They broke the law. My Partner is a Legal immagrant and he is a great asset to America.

  • Elizabeth
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    Why don't the journalists who write for this paper do a full feature of History of Latinos in America? How about informing us of the situations that cause people to come to America...people who are willing to risk crossing the border, and why...what are they leaving, what do they hope? Go across the border and take photos of those who live in garbage dumps and cardboard boxes. Tell us about the coyotes who take money from people and fail to smuggle them across the border. What has America done financially to businesses...how has colonialization affected situations of poverty and war? Maybe if people were educated about the causes behind the men and women who cross the border, we would see more of those saints interested in being a brothers keeper. We are so anxiously engaged in worrying about our taxes, so quick to stereotype, so ethnocentric, but maybe--with just a bit more information, we could be empathetic to the plight of those who have less. Would the journalists at Deseret News do something to try to teach the citizens of Utah something? they aren't getting it from their parents or pulpit...

  • Legal immigration only
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:21 p.m.

    So sad a picture to see Maria Ortiz crying. Wonder if who ever took the picture stopped to ask her why se is so upset. When breaking the law like the ILLEGALS have, one must expect ot be caught by and by. When it happens, she cries? Why would the Desert NEws even print the picture except to try and win points for the ILLEGALS. If they want to live and work here, do it LEGALLY, like the rest of us. If not, don,t cry about being caught.

  • Anon
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:12 p.m.

    You will get illegals so long as you have socialistic policies which forcibly redistribute wealth. If you didn't have these policies (and minimum wage laws are among them) you would have exactly zero reasons to bar immigrants from coming here.

  • peggy
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:11 p.m.

    I haven't read all the comments, but i read enough to realize that most people commenting are blaming, finding fault, critizing, etc. My first thought was about the women and children caught in this difficult situation. Notice that the raid was conducted on the very day the men were to receive their paychecks. They worked for two weeks and the families at least need the compensation for that time period. that won't solve the problem, but it will at least give some time for decision making. It also sounds like the same scenario as Les Miserables. How does one post bond or pay the $7,500 without work?

    Aside from this, is anyone suggesting gathering food supplies in a location where the families can pick them up fairly easily? Yes, the men were working illegally, but the families should not bear the brunt of this raid. Someone suggested the LDS Welfare Services. I'm not sure that is their responsibility. Whose is it? I don't know, but I'm willing to donate food if there are some families in need.

  • Freddy
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:02 p.m.

    You know? If people (illegals) continue to break American laws they can't expect anything else but to be arrested and sent home. I think we supposedly, may be dealing with adults here, who possibly have a brain in their head as all humans are born with, as to know not break American laws... It's not too hard to decide right from wrong. There are no excuses!

  • China is real threat
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:57 p.m.

    People fearing the Mexicans are myopic. The real concern is China. They are going to own us in a few years. Our debt to them keeps increasing and we buy all their cheap goods. Its like Wal Mart setting up shop in the neighborhood and all purchases are on credit. As soon as they change their national reserves from the dollar to another currency, were headed towards a time weve never seen. Were going to be their Mexicans.

  • Show Mercy at 10:50. a.m.
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:45 p.m.

    Your reasoning reminds me of the young man who murdered his parents and then begged the court for mercy because he was an orphan. Mercy and Justice are intertwined. One should not be sacrificed for the other.

  • Colonel Kilgore
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    I just find it ironic that likely 90% of the above posters are Latter-day Saints from Utah County. The LDS Church has been actively seeking less stringent enforcement of immigration laws in this state for years.

  • Darrell
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:38 p.m.

    This is very good news. Finally, the illegal aliens are rightfully living in fear. What good are our laws if they are not enforced? They have not been enforced for so long that until now the illegals have been openly flouting them. Hopefully now as these raids continue, more and more illegals will feel the fear, and will move back home.

  • Sad??? Oh no!
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:33 p.m.

    I find it offensive when someone writes about broken families brought on by a raid such as the one in Lindon. What about all the broken families left behind in Mexico and other Latin countries? What about them? The deafening silence on these families speak volumes. You don't care about broken families. You care only about pushing an agenda and whatever tools available for your corrupt goals.

    Utah needs a law similar to that of Arizona and Oklahoma where it's forcing illegals to leave on their own because employers are now afraid to hire them.

  • Girlie
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    It is the duty of a reporter to have an unbiased oppinion about the stories they cover - to report facts. These two journalists give us some sob story, who do they think they are? So my advice to these journalists is to keep their oppinions to themselves and do their job.

  • wrz
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    "I have no problem with immigrants whatsoever, In fact I think they provide a lot of good to our communities."

    Good for our communities? I don't think so. Especially if immigrants are minorities. Mixing races and ethnicities seem to always cause division and never ending contention. We have had enough of it. If we need immigrants at all we need them from White Europe. Let Latinos stay in Latino countries, Blacks stay in black countries, and Muslims stay in Muslim countries.

    Let's get real. The "melting pot" concept is not working and never has. And neither is the "salad bowl" concept. This country is fast becoming a third world country because we can't get past the race/ethnicity that divides us.

  • Build Self-Sufficiency
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:20 p.m.

    Justified? - you have the right idea. Other than pure corruption, why is Mexico so poverty stricken? They have tremendous natural resources; 2 coast lines, huge tourist trade, ideal climate for growing, OIL, and many others. They are not being used to their best advantage for the benefit of ALL the citizens of Mexico. We could go down there,teach and train. The Mexican people can learn to be leaders, self-sufficient human beings just like anyone else. But they haven't been taught. They just run away, illegaly, to the US as their father's and grandfather's have done. And we keep making it easier! Our government is supposed to have good relations with Mexico. Let's form some, MONEY- MAKING projects for this country, to educate ALL the Mexican people and give them a chance to have good jobs, form their own companies and live well!

    Feb. 9, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    @ beware of bees - unfortunately we American citizens are already being chased by an angry swarm. Lamentably, that swarm includes our government, our media, big business, and John McCain

  • DahktaD
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:22 p.m.

    Dear Beware of Bees...your analogy is comical. Bees? That is what "Raid" is for...look at what happened at the Lindon plant...ICE went to the hive, used "Raid", problem solved. Looking forward to the next hive.

  • To: Beware of Bees
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:14 p.m.

    Stop the flow of bees now and send those already here back to their hives and there will be no swarm. Savvy??

  • Re:Abogado Finch
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:12 p.m.

    Que derechos? Estan aqui ilegal. Este es el problema con los ilegales, piensan que el estar aqui es su derecho. No es asi.

    Si no quiren obedecer las leyes de este paiz no vamos a sentir triste por lo que les sucede cuando esten mandados de regreso a mexico.

    Que se vayan bien.

  • wrz
    Feb. 9, 2008 12:11 p.m.

    "As long as you have this great demand, then you're going to have people coming ... in their search for wanting to make a better life."

    And the way to have that better life is to come into this country legally, with papers. And leave when your invitation expires.

  • Fed Up
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:55 a.m.

    Sorry DN, but I'm not crying about the plight of these illegals. They are breaking the law! I do feel badly for the wives and children who are now separated from their husbands and fathers, but the solution to this is for daddy to get deported and to take his whole illegal family back to Mexico where they belong. And please, spare us the sob story of how mommy can't feed her poor babies when we all know they are receiving free food, money, and services from OUR government!

  • Employer entirely at fault
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    Don't hire individuals who's backgrounds you can't verify.

  • Misplaced Compassion
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:43 a.m.

    Where is the compassion for the victims of the illegal aliens who are being held for identity theft?

    The only way an illegal alien can get a job with a "reputable" employer such as Universal Sales in Lindon is to commit up to three FELONIES by presenting a false Social Security Number (SSN), falsifying an I-9 form under penalty of perjury and committing identity theft if the SSN belongs to someone.

    In 2005, the Utah Attorney Generals Office reported that it had uncovered a crime spree involving illegal aliens using SSNs belonging to Utah children under 12 years old. Workforce services reported that 1,626 companies were paying salaries to the SSNs of children under 12. 37 adults were using one child's SSN. An estimated 20,000 to 50,000 Utah children are victims of SSN only identity theft. 90% of identity theft cases tried by the AGs Office involve illegal aliens.

    Our compassion should be directed to the children and other Utahns who are the victims of illegal aliens not to those committing the crimes no matter how noble their motives. Our anger should be directed at employers who refuse to use E-Verify and thereby sacrifice our children for profits.

  • Not Sympathetic
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:47 a.m.

    If this illegal invasion continues, we will all be living at the lowest common denominator and in cardboard boxes. Why is it that in order to unite families--brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents and cousins by the dozens of illegal aliens, their families have to be brought here? A simpler and less costly solution would be for those who are here illegally to be sent back to their families in their own countries. That would surely unite families and should silence the bleeding hearts (actually nothing will silence the bleeding hearts)and save our country billions of dollars in welfare, public services, etc. There are at least five billion hard-working, deserving people on the earth who would like a better life, are anxious to come here legally and worse off than the Mexicans south of the border. We can't take them all nor even more than a small percentage of them, so let's enforce the laws and stop the madness.

  • Beware of Profiling...
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:37 a.m.

    Remember, not every Hispanic you see in Utah is here illegally. And did you know that many illegal immigrants are not Hispanics? There are illegal immigrants from all over the world on our shores.

  • to Insanity
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    Oh Ye of short memory. Salt lake has had its raids.
    Remember the Airport raid a year or so back? People cried about splitting familys just like this.

  • Comp USA
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    How about showing some compassion. These people are human beings. Don't forget that.

  • Simple Solution
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:25 a.m.

    The U.S. should simply buy Mexico ala the Louisiana Purchase or perhaps annex it.

    We could calculate the amount of support we have given them over the past 150 years, add it to the money earned here by illegals and sent to Mexico, add again the subsidies paid for illegals to be educated, given health care and incarcerated, throw in some more for the costs of crimes committed by illegals and I'd say we've about paid for it already. Everybody wins. Problem solved.

  • CougarKeith
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    She can always go to the Immigration Office and Surender, I am sure they will help her get back to Mexico where she BELONGS until she can come here LEGALLY!!! I feel bad for these people and I have Sympathy and Empathy for them, but they should have come here LEGALLY to begin with.

  • to Book of Mormon
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    If you are going to quote the Book of Mormon you can't ignore the fact that the church strongly teaches to follow the laws of the land.

  • Hit and Run
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:23 a.m.

    Just Yesterday, a co-worker and friend of mine was hit by a car while riding his bike. The Man who hit him sped off. My friend is in the hospital recovering. The man was caught shortly after. He was not insured, didnt speak English, and he was illegal. Seriouly, how many people are going to have to suffer before we put an end to this?

  • Nash - MERCY
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    Those who are leaving comments about Mercy should know that mercy doesn't mean that people should get a free pass to steal, cheat, lie, and hurt others because they want to "escape" their own situation. Mercy means that while people do make mistakes they should be given a chance to change, but if they don't change then they are still subject JUSTICE. The immigration policies of this country are more than merciful! They probably need to be changed, but if anything the laws are too merciful and thus we have people that even if they get caught and punished, they still come back and DO THE SAME ILLEGAL THINGS AGAIN! It is time to serve justice to those who abuse the mercies of this country.

  • Abogado Finch???
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:19 a.m.

    This is America and we speak English.

    p.s when you are illegal, you dont have rights to fight for! So dont lucha for derechos that arent there. The time has come.

    Feb. 9, 2008 11:15 a.m.


    Lets stand up and be vocal for what we want instead of letting people who aren't even citizens of this country decide for us! Lets not be racist, or hate those of diffrerent backgrounds! But let us support the laws of OUR country.

    The illegals think we should change everything to benefit them! They come here illegally! Telling us what we should do FOR THEM!!! They are breaking the law just by being here. Then they continue to break the law the whole time they are here. This cant continue at our expense...

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:14 a.m.

    You people would deport illegals and CRIPPLE OUR BIG BUSINESSES?? THEY NEED THE CHEAP LABOR!

    Feb. 9, 2008 11:08 a.m.

    Does anyone know of a website, phone number, or any way we can voice our support to help stop the flow of illegals who are ruining our country?

    And about Mercy, are we supposed to show mercy at the cost of our country's well being? We have to think logically. the Book of Mormon also says to "be smart" (Jacob)

  • Abogado Finch
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:08 a.m.

    Un consejo a los familias. Lucha por sus derechos. No se firma la deportacion rapido, habla con abogado primero por verificar sus derechos. No todos, pero muchos tendran derechos que les serveria mas luego dentro el proceso de inmigracion.

  • Justified ?
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    What too do? Invade Mexico and steal their huge oil reserves, kill their corrupt leaders, or take our technology, equipment and trained personnel over there and create an economy for them minus their corrupt leaders? I think the latter would be the right thing to do. It would save us tremendously in the long run. Eliminate illegal issues, create another market for crude oil, and hopefully make for better relations with our southern neighbors. Why fight everyone around the world all the time, how about some foreign diplomacy with these countries and perhaps start some harmony, insted of wars.

  • Beware of Bees
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:04 a.m.

    Don't you realize that if you keep poking at a beehive, the bees will come out and sting you? If you keep messing with these immigrants, they'll come out one by one at first and try to "sting you," but then eventually, you'll have a "united swarm" chasing you... Then what?

  • cache
    Feb. 9, 2008 11:06 a.m.

    I have to add that those people who are questioning why the Deseret News is printing these cry-me-a-river stories about ILLEGAL immigrants need to look no further than the top of the Des. News to Mr. Joe Cannon himself, brother to none other than Chris "amnesty" Cannon.

  • Time to face the music...
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    When people break the law, they're supposed to get in trouble, right...?

    A criminal is a criminal, and there should be no exceptions.

  • Show Mercy
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    Many of you leaving comments do not understand the concept and the meaning of justice and mercy. One day your time will come, and you're going to cry for some mercy, but you will be asked if you showed any mercy when you had the chance...

  • Dr Don
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:35 a.m.

    Criminals SHOULD be fearful! Fearful of being held accountable for their continuing illegal activities!

  • Bill
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    There r alot of good migrant workers.But many do fit the stereotype of crime.All u have to do is watch the news and read the newspapers and it always seems 90% of the crimes r of the mexican heritage and bring that bad part of there culture here.It makes it hard for the good honest and hardworking ones because of the bad example of many.

  • Bob
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    What are they crying about? They're criminals. "Illegal" equals "criminal". Deportation is the least they should get.

  • Room Mom
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    These stories on the Lindon raid make the reporters' pro-illegal bias very clear. But there are plenty of victims to go around on both sides of this issue. I am waiting for the Deseret News to do a story on the high rate of criminality among illegals, and the Utahns who are their victims - of rape, robbery, assault, drunken driving, child molestation, murder, identity theft. It should also include the victimized taxpayers who subsidize illegals' free education, free health care and public services.

    I hope someday the reporters take a little trip to CA, TX, AZ or NM to see hundreds of square miles of devastated communities overrun by crime, blight, and environmental devastation, where US citizens are virtual hostages to illegals. Guess what? Utah is next.

    Fortunately, the realities of illegal immigration ARE being objectively reported by the likes of CNN's Lou Dobbs, MSNBC's Glenn Beck and others on the national media scene.

    Yet in myopic, naive Utah, we are subjected to the one-sided, bleeding hearts of the Deseret News. Their lack of objective journalistic reporting is shameful.


  • Alan of Orem
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    Why is our government paralyzed from implementing a logical, reasonable plan?

    1) Secure the border. Yes, the long-funded fence with checkpoints all along the way. This eliminates the "release valve" that keeps Mexico corrupt and complacent about improving the lot of its own citizens.

    2) A national counterfeit-resistant ID system for everyone, especially for aliens who come in legally through our airports on student and tourist visas, so they don't fade into the woodwork and outstay their visas.

    3) A reasonable, streamlined system for allowing in honest people who want to work and contribute. The curent system is based on protectionism and onerous bureaucracy designed to discourage the entry of many immigrants who would pay taxes, buy products, and build our economy.

    4) Aggressive deportation of any illegals with records of criminal activity or welfare abuse. But it will only work if the fence is there to keep them out!

    5) Realistically, a way to help long-established undocumented families legalize their status. It's too late, and too expensive, to ship out 12 million people.

    But none of this makes ANY sense without doing steps 1 and 2 FIRST.

  • Agenda Journalism
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    What a great example of agenda journalism. I don't think the National Council of La Raza could have more a propaganda-worthy article. The illegal immigration debate is a complicated issue, but for some reason mosts journalists are hesitant to explore the less politically correct aspects of the issue and stick with a Geraldoesque theme. Who, after all, wants to harm mothers and children? But what about the rampant corruption in all levels of government in Mexico and many Latin American countries that keeps the population supressed, or the rampant crime that follows many across the border? What about the societal costs of a populace that is hesitant to assimilate and abuses the local medical services? For the most part immigration is a good thing and there are positive aspects to Latino culture; they tend to be God-fearing pro-family. So many people out there, including governmental leaders, consider someone such as me a xenophobe. But I have lived in other countries and enjoy learning about other cultures and languages. I also enjoy many elements of my culture and resent the implicit suggestion that I surrender my culture and language and adopt that of another because they are less fortunate.

  • cache
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    I'd like to see a follow-up story regarding the people who's identities were stolen. What about their plight?

    The illegal immigrants featured in this story took a risk by their illegal actions, and with those risks come consequences, that do, indeed, hurt their families. Although their intentions were noble, the responsibility alone lies on their shoulders, not on those that are enforcing the laws of this country.

  • Sick
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    I can guarantee that the majority of the previous commments were made by middle or upper class white people who know nothing of poverty. I feel sorry for the families in this story. They are surrounded by heartless people who don't care what happens to them because they aren't U.S. citizens. We're all people and if anyone's family or children are starving or suffering they would do ANYTHING to help them. Plus you complain that "they" are taking out jobs. I didn't know US citizens aspired to work gross jobs that pay minimum wage.

  • Kari S.
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    Illegal Immigrants seem to be the scapegoat for many of the social and economic problems that are faced in our nation. They are blamed for health care costs, low wages, drug crimes, and theft. While there may be some illegal immigrants that have participated in illegal activities that hurt our society, we should be careful not to make generalizations. There are many individuals that work hard, put there children in school, and hope for a better life. U.S. citizens are ignorant to the poverty and government instability that exists around the globe. People have a right for a better life and these immigrants perform valuable tasks in our economy. The U.S. needs to tighten the border with Mexico, but they need to think of the horrific domestic and economic outcomes that will occur if we round up the thousands of illegal immigrants that are already in the nation. This issue does not have the simple answer of deportation.

  • ScottAZ
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    It is beyond me how insensitive people are on the issue of immigration. Yes, they knew it was illegal to enter the U.S. unlawfully. The majority did for a better opportunity for themselves and for their families. OK, that's done. They are here. Most now have roots growing here. It is difficult to determine who on this board are followers of Christ and those who pretend they are. Yes we have laws here in the U.S., laws which were not enforced and policies (or the lack of) that encouraged illegals to come here. Most illegals need to be given amnesty and become tax paying citizens rather than living in fear and taxing our economy and health care. To think that a system of hiring agents to track down, arrest, and tranport over 12 million illegals back to their countries is cost effective is fueled by fear and intolerence.

  • Book of Mormon
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:19 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon talks of JUSTICE and MERCY. Both are eternal principles. It seems like everyone posting here is more than willing to extend the hand of JUSTICE, and very few want to talk about MERCY... These people are here, and have families. Can't a compromise be reached (temporary guest worker) to satisfy both JUSTICE and MERCY?

    Feb. 9, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    Using the same "Boo Hoo" logic in this article, I think I'll go rob some banks, then when I get caught, I'll cry about my wife and children left behind! Think that will work?

  • Jon
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    This is the most lopsided example of reporting I've seen in a while. The Des News should label this an op-ed piece instead of news article.
    I'm so tired of the US and ICE being labled villians because they enforce the laws to protect this country. It's a slippery slope to start selecting which laws we want to enforce and which ones we don't.
    You can spare us from the crying about what this raid has done to all of these people's lives. I'll bet there is large population of criminals in jailed in the US who have wives and children, and the Des News isn't writing heavey-handed articles in their favor.
    You can be sure that if any American hopped the border into Mexico, the government there would just turn a blind eye. In fact, I doubt they would show any compassion in the situation.

  • DNews do another article!
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    It looks like the Deseret News needs to do an article on the success of those that have come to this country legally. I had the opportunity to serve an LDS mission to southern Texas and work with many latino people. They are wonderful people!!! However, when I was first on my mission and still attempting to learn the Spanish language to talk to people that lived in the US, someone had the audacity to tell me that I needed to learn how to speak better in Spanish. In addition to that rude statement, I found out that this lady had lived in the US for 5 years and didn't know English.
    Not all latino people have this attitude. I volunteered while down there in an English as a Second Language class and saw many people that were trying to learn the language and gain citizenship. I have also met a family here in Utah that came to the US legally from Venezuala. They told me about how hard they worked to learn the language and go to school. They are now succeeding immensely.
    So DNews, do an article on those that have come here legally and succeeded!

  • American Dream
    Feb. 9, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    This wouldn't be a problem if our government had been enforcing these laws all along. But big business convinced them to turn a blind eye- and pick up the rather expensive educational, healcare, and social programs tab for these people with your taxes. In the meantime they profit big time off of cheap labor.

    That my friends is the real American dream.

  • Dave
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    Another sob story. You'll never win me over to your side of this issue.

    How will these people ever learn to respect our laws as long as you disregard them and we refuse to enforce them? I'm okay with immigrants--those who obey our laws and take steps to integrate (learn English). As long as people like you pander to them, they won't and will remain in their poor state.

    It's sad to see our country disintegrate into North Mexico.

  • Itsjustme
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    In the past, people that have come to this country assimilate into our society. I have spoken with many illegal aliens in the course of my work, and virtually all of them say they have no intention of doing so. That the only reason they are here is "for the money". A society that does not have congruity is, and always will be, a society divided.

  • Concerned
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    This is a horrible situation. I understand both sides. The government encourages them to enter the US and work but considers them illegal and the people just want to feed their families.

    Can't something Christian be worked out?

    Feb. 9, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    to the immigration LAWS NOW !

  • Travo
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:50 a.m.

    Enough with the sob stories! Why all the pity stories from the Dnews? The border is a huge security flaw right now and it has to be sealed up. We know that many bad people come across the border illegally. There are many good people that do as well but they do not offset all the bad that does. We have seen lots of illegals commit crimes and hurt people, where are the sad stories of thier victims? All the pity and sob stories are all one sided when there are many other stories to tell.

  • 2nd generation immigrant
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:46 a.m.

    This article had a curious "it's not their fault" slant. Didn't all of our ancestors come here looking for a better way of life? And the majority did it through the legal process. Part of what make our country great is the principle of equality under the law. If you break the law you should expect to be punished. It shouldn't matter whether your name is Hilton or Otiz. Latino's seem to expect a "get out of jail free card" on immigration violations.

  • Robin
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:51 a.m.

    What about publishing a story about the children of the American workers who are out of work because illegals have taken THEIR jobs at the Linden workplace. The illegals in this story are criminals who are using false identification - a felony. If they have brought children into their lawbreaking lifestyle, I think they should be charged with child abuse. They should keep their families united - the children and wives should return to their homeland with the husbands. Family unification in Mexico.

  • Smoke Screen
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    Shame on the Deseret News for promoting the type of lawlessness which will ultimately bring the end of our society as we know it.

    These people broke the law. The snuck into this country under cloak of darkness and continue to break the law every second that they are here. They are not the victims in this story as you so pathetically portray them.

    The victims in this story are the millions of honest, decent, people worldwide who are waiting to gain entrance into this country under legal means and every single tax paying American citizen.

  • Robert
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    I agree with Carlos. Illegals feel entitled to break our laws and receive government benefits to boot. The newspaper should do a story on what illegals cost us, not just their worries and plights. Oklahoma has the right idea: strict laws result i n illegals leaving the state (without being torn apart as families).

  • Against Stealing
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:29 a.m.

    This is absolutely ridiculous! First you illegally cross our boarders and sneak into our country, you increase the crime rate, you increase drug trafficing, you don't carry insurance, you won't learn English and you help shady business owners get ahead by working for them illegally. Any you EXPECT to stay? First of all, you are UNINVITED GUESTS here, don't expect anything.

    Don't break the law and then protest that we should not enforce it! So if a bank robber gets caught robbing a bank and says he needed the money to support his family, do we just let him off the hook?! If you want a better life, it needs to start with you first in your own country. GET A FREAKIN' EDUCATION FIRST! Are you trying to say that Mexico does not have enough "desk jobs" to go around that you need to come here? That's bull, because the only jobs that you know how to do are blue-collar, manual labor jobs.

    Like I said, get an education and then try to get a job in your own country, my guess is that you will have better luck providing for your family...

  • Save the sob story
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    Save the sob story. I am so sick of all the illegals moaning and groaning when we actually enforce our laws. Its so uncalled for. If they sayed in heir countries hey wouldn't be having this problems. They speak of America being a land of oppurtunity and it is. They are ALL welcome to come here if they get in line and DO IT LEGALLY!

    Seriously you illegals are lawbreakers and deserve any legal woes that come upon because of your choice to come ILLEGALLY! I have very little sympahty for you- I believe in justice. As for mercy we will pay ( ith my tax dollars) for your deportation costs and allow you to go to the back of the line. You should be grateful that we allow you to even get at the back of the line. Moreover count yourself lucky we don't mine the border.

  • Cristiana
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:17 a.m.

    I feel compassion for both the families and the men, but they came here understanding that they were breaking our laws. The biggest problem here is that our nation has let this kind of thing go on too long; illegals know that and so they continue to come because they didn't think there were going to be any repercussions. What is the answer? Extremely difficult situation on both sides.

  • Ambivalent
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:15 a.m.

    I have trouble seeing black and white on this issue. Though I am often frustrated by the Deseret News' liberal slant when it comes to stories like these, this article is yet another that leaves me feeling more uncertain of how I should view illegal immigration. I absolutely abhor cheaters of any kind, and that is exactly what illegal immigrants are. This problem has spiraled out of control, and the negative effects on our health care systems, crime rate, social security, and schools are severe and can easily be seen. Yet the fact remains these people are human beings, our sisters and brothers under God. Many have no future for them or their families in their native lands. I admit to being torn between feeling sympathy for those cheaters whose families suffer the consequences of loved ones' wrong actions and feeling a deep satisfaction when those who do break the law are caught and punished. I wonder if I'm not the only who feels this way.

  • Portland,Or
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:12 a.m.

    This is one of those situations that no matter what you think is right or wrong about immigration, is upsetting. Several months ago the same thing happend at the Del Monte plant here in Portland. The school district I work in had many parents from the plant arrested. It wasn't just the adults involved that suffered, the children developed many signs of Post Tramatic Stess Disorder. The kids became scared of all adults who weren't Hispanic. We showed a drop in attendance and as a district had to put many things in place to build a relationship of trust with these families.
    As humans, you have to ask yourself at what point to we begin to hold the companies accountable when they hire such workers? I am all for immigration reform, but I am also for accountability.

  • Phil
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:08 a.m.

    Wouldn't they have known the consequences after entering this country illegally? It's their husbands fault. They're the ones who put their families in this situation in the first place. I mean c'mon, some of them have been here more than 7 - 12 years illegaly! Is it that freaken difficult to get a green card? It is the federal immigrant agents job to track these people down right? How do we expect to protect our nation from "Terrorists" or other criminal fugitives from their homeland nation, if we are fed by this media propaganda to persuade us to feel sorry for their poor law-breaking friends?!? Some of the arrested so-called immigrants already had DUI, identity theft, and drug possession charges in the past. Should we just sit back and tolerate this by contradicting our laws?

    All I ask is that these immigrants have a mind and heart of an American, not the mind of their previous crapland of a nation. Please abide to our culture, and speak some good english for a change.
    Then, we can actually build better relationships.

    I can't fit anymore words on this comment sheet because I have more to say.

  • Nathan
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:09 a.m.

    One of the many steps to stop illegal immigration is to get Mexico "off welfare". The second greatest source for Mexico's economy is money coming from Mexicans living in the U.S. and sending it back to those living in Mexico.

    What incentive does the Mexican govenment have to improve their economy when they can just let their people move to the U.S. and send back a check.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:09 a.m.

    You know it gets really old to keep reading about illegal immigrants in the way you portray it in your story. Obviously people are going to feel bad for them when they think about them having a family to take care of. You totally ignore the facts of them breaking the law and how many problems this is causing. They are stealing identities, committing crimes, and many are doing other things besides just trying to provide for a family. I think it was a bad article, written in a point of view shared by very few people in Utah. We shouldnt be paying for their education and health care and many other things. Anyways I dont know why I am wasting my time to write this email but I really disliked your article and wanted you to know you did a bad job

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:01 a.m.

    I agree we should have a simple way to link employers up with employees who want to work... but, in the mean time illegal immigration is just that and those who break the law will and should suffer the consequences. Don't write such biases articles trying to tug at the heart strings. Crying that such raids tear families apart should be written to show that illegal entry into a foreign country is wrong regardless of the reasons.

    If the people of Mexico would band together and form a better government that encouraged economic growth, they could live in their country without need to going elsewhere. But instead they abrogate their responsibility and illegally come into our country and cause social upheaval and unrest.

    My sympathies, however, do go out to these fine people struggling to survive. I wish we had a government (and I'm fighting to get one like this) that would create a guest-worker program that fills our needs (yes, we need these good people), and fills theirs as well.

  • Secure the Borders Now
    Feb. 9, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    Save the crocodile tears and let them go home, fix their own countries and make a better life in Mexico. We cannot continue to ignore our borders and the anarchy and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation these illegal aliens have brought with thm..

    It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

    I'm tired of having to "press numero uno" to talk in my own language.

  • MetricWrench
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    This kind of thing tears families apart. The ones that suffer the most are the children. When adults behave badly the children are always the ones that suffer most. These illegal aliens should have considered this when they chose to move their families here illegally. The illegal workers and those that employ them are totally 100% at fault here for the hurt and the pain that their children are experiencing. This is no different than the alcoholic or the drug addict with children who suffer because their parents end up doing something illegal. Shame upon these parents for their illegal behavior and the problems it causes for their children.

    Feb. 9, 2008 8:56 a.m.

    If the families of theses illegals had just stayed in Mexico, they could live like kings and queens. All they have to do is Western Union their money home to the "familia" and they'd do just fine. If someone with an education makes 300 a month, then these dudes should be able to kick down about 450 and they could risk getting picked up. The family would be doing great, and we wouldn't have to waste the paper, ink, or bandwith on stories like these.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    The cost of living in Mexico is very low. If you make $300/mo you are living well in their society. If you make $3000/mo youre wealthy.

    Why are we not sending the whole family back? Is this an incentive to have the men just quickly cross the border again? The family should go with the men so they can continue to be together.

    The men working were making $7/hour. That income IS NOT enough to be "supporting" a family here. They have been living off the tax payers via Stolen Identification and then receiving government assistance including: Food Stamps, Housing assistance, free meals at school, Medicaid and the list goes on.

    We have the basic regulations most countries do for immigration. You must be a benefit to our society to become a citizen. You must be able to support yourself/family without government help. You must speak our language (English). You must pledge allegiance to the USA AND DENOUNCE allegiance to your former country.

    We have 8 migrant worker programs to help those who need to improve their circumstances in their own country. If these need to be expanded then so be it.

  • Come Correct
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    I have no sympathy for these peoeple. They are criminals. I don't care how bad things are in Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, etc. If you want to come to America then do it the right way. Then you can have pride in you new country. My other real problem is that these people don't want to adopt American culture. They want to cling to Mexican culture, but at the same time they are boobing they can't make any money there. Bottom line, America is the greatest nation on earth, and people should do whatever it takes to get here leaglly. If not, then stay south of the border!

  • Edward from Provo
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    What ever happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."?

  • Honduras Jack
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:29 a.m.

    It wasn't enough that Richard Nixon ushered in the huge Deficit trade with China that we currently have.

    It wasn't enough that the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed by Bill Cinton allowed American Businesses to attain enormous profits by packing up their companies and moving them south of the border to avoid paying taxes, pensions, health benefits and to exploit a work force so desperate for jobs that paying them roughly a third in wages for a few short years is considered "passe."

    It wasn't enough that the Globilization policies of the current Administration under George W. Bush has allowed American Business to again increase additional profits by outsourcing American jobs to millions of people in China, Mylasia and to India, who are even more desperate for work than those they once employed in Mexico and other Latin American countries..... Have you ever asked yourself why????....because it allows them to exploit a labor force that forces people to work extremely long hours at very low wages (a few cents instead of dollars per hour).

    Now thanks to Walmart we can buy toxic pet food and lead based toys and join our illegal migrant Latino brothers in the unemployment line.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:29 a.m.

    I used to be all for rounding up illegals and sending them back to their countries, but after experiencing first hand the hardship this causes in family units I cannot in good conscience support this way of thinking. There has to be a better way to deal with the illegal problem. I like Mitt, but have always disagreed with his 'round them up and send them back' stance on illegal immigration.

  • Spouse of a Naturalized Citizen
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    The thing that bothers me the most about this article is the fact that these people are choosing to break the law and enter into this country illegally, and with all choices we make we pay consequences. These are the consequences they have chosen to pay. My frustration is that I have been in Mexico and seen the poverty, but there is also a completely different standard of living. You cannot compare $300 per month here with $300 per month there, it does not weigh the same. These people are not victims of anything but their own bad choices, and the consequences that follow. If these families and people want to come here to this country, then do it the right way, as have my spouse and I as well as many, many other people. If they want to be happy and left alone then do things the right way.

  • RUN
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    Baby run head south. This is just a small sample of what's coming.

  • Sad story
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    I really feel for the innocent victims here. But what is more important is that these "undocumented" workers are breaking the law. They are in this country ILLEGALLY, and that puts them and their families in jeopardy. The world wants the US's money and assistance, until the laws have to be obeyed. Then, all they want to do is castigate us for our laws and beliefs. The illegals (mostly mexicans) want our welfare, free education, medical, and other give aways, while hanging foreign flags and desicrating ours. If this is such a bad place to be, then answer this - why do the people still flock to America? And the press wonders why average Americans do not want the illegals here??

  • Confused
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:18 a.m.

    It is a very sad thing that families are being torn a part, but these are people who were breaking the law how it stands. If we want anything to change we need to confront the laws. Immigration it ridiculous. It is such a long, expensive, and frustrating experience. Provided, we shouldn't just let anyone in, but there should be some middle ground somewhere so that we can feel good about letting through hard workers in, and keeping criminals out. That way we don't have to feel bad sending back illegals because we made it fair in the first place.

  • Jason T
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:13 a.m.

    I think that bail should have been set a lot lower than $7500 for those who haven't committed a crime. These people aren't dangerous and it is costing taxpayers every second they are in jail.

    I am a little frustrated by the article's premise that poverty in Mexico justifies illegal immigration. Every sovereign country must be able to determine who can come within its borders to live and work. To say we should have a borderless world is irresponsible and dangerous. Add to that the fact that some these immigrants may have been using fake documents, or even someone else's identity, and I believe this action was warranted.

    That said, I am somewhat torn because I believe that these 'illegals' actually make America's economy stronger by allowing growth that would otherwise not happen. Americans are a people that start businesses, but lack of manpower often limits growth potential.

    The real crisis may occur if a major recession happens and Americans suddenly have to compete with 'illegals' for those jobs.

  • Annoyed
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:17 a.m.

    This story is sad. It tells of people with nothing trying to improve their lives. That is a great goal. But the key word here is ILLEGAL. That means one thing, folks. They broke the law. They have forged documents and criminal histories. This is not our fault. Yet the bleeding hearts make it sound like the USA is the bad person here, enforcing the laws. They want the benefits but not the responsibility. My ancestors came from UK, swore an oath, served and died for THIS coluntry to protect our freedoms. These people want to come here, fine, then do it legally. Get rid of your flags, your holidays, and become AMERICANS. Be part of the solution, not enhancing the problems.

  • Sorry
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:04 a.m.

    Yes it is too bad for the famlies. But do we see the same out cry when a man or woman of any other race is arested for a crime. Do the activisits get all up in arms about them? Do they say we are destroying a family?
    Those that were arest broke the law. They came to this country illegaly, they stay here illegaly.
    Either we are a country of laws or we a we not.
    Now with a shortage of workers the company will now have to raise its pay to get legal workers or they will have to close. My bet is they raise pay and keep selling their products.

  • No sympathy
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:07 a.m.

    Oh yeah lets feel bad for these people who broke the law, come into the country legally and you wouldn't have this problem.I am glad the federal government is cracking down pretty soon Utah will look like California with a dozen illegal immigrants on every corner waiting to be hired illegally. I am all for finding a better life but follow the law.

  • Insanity.
    Feb. 9, 2008 8:03 a.m.

    I would kick some butt if this happened in my city. This is an outrage. People of Utah County, get excited about something that has nothing to do with sports. Contact all of your representatives (City, County, State, Congressional) and start kicking butt. This is so wrong, it kills me. Notice...no raids in SLC yet. Cause in SLC we have a heart.

  • Unjust
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:57 a.m.

    Our elected leaders should be the ones put in jail. It is the fault of our Country's leadership. We "encourage" illegal immigration by having super lax border security and by not having a documented working program. If we can't stop them from getting here and we can't create a worker program then the problem is with our Gov't and not these people. Any one of us in their shoes would do the exact same thing. If any of them have committed a crime then of course I am for deporting those one immediately. But all effort needs to be put on creating border security and in creating a guest worker program where we can document each person that crosses the border. This is a joke just throwing all these guys in jail. It the USA's fault for encouraging illegals with the way our Gov't has set everything up. I am a super conservative voter, but with illegals we have to be fair and just and compassionate. I think this is a tragedy. Fault is on our elected leaders for doing nothing about the border and enforcing it.

  • Ski2work
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:50 a.m.

    Amazing how this report glosses over the fact MOST of those illegals arrested for immigration violations, they were ALSO arrested for IDENTITY THEFT! The whining from the advocate sides is nauseating...seems NONE OF THEM can accept responsibility for their criminal actions! It's all the governments fault...those bad boys from ICE enforcing the law and recovering and identifying STOLEN US Citizen's IDs from these poor, illegal aliens just trying to feed their families. Oh my bad...what did this report say about some having prior records for drugs too? Darn..who's fault is that? If these people are "living in cardboard shacks in Mexico"...why don't they DO SOMETHING IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? Revolutions seem to work...go for it CHANGE your government and quit bringing your problems over here! Goog lord our country was built on revolutions and sacrafice...it's about these folks start considering sacrafice for their own country as well.

  • Steve
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:50 a.m.

    While I empathize with the families who are now left to fend for themselves, I also have to look at the fact that laws are being broken. When the father of a family is put in jail for breaking any other law (even non-violent ones in which he is just trying to make ends meet) we don't see the same media uproar. The problem is that there really is no good solution now that we are so deep in the problem.

  • Gary
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:46 a.m.

    what don't you understand about legal and not legal. i'm sorry for the family but i did not bring them here and each and every one of the people that come here that are not legal knows what can happen if they are found out. i can not break the laws of this country without facing the results of my actions. i am also believe that the company should pay big time for hiring these people.

  • Gramme
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:43 a.m.

    This is a terrible situation, the families are suffering for the choices their parents made. I am all for legal immigration but when you break the laws and come into a country illegally you have to be prepared to pay the price even though it affects all your family. This should be a sign to all who want to break the law, you are not only hurting yourself and putting yourself in danger but that of your whole family. If you love your family you would try all the legal ways to enter the US. There are lots of people who have gone this route that are still on the list and because they are obeying the laws of the land they should have first access to the jobs here in the US. My heart goes out to the wives and children of these men who tried to beat the laws but we cannot allow this to continue, we all have to live by the laws of the land whether we are from another country or our own United State of America. Let this be a terrible lesson learned the hard way for all those who think they can win.

  • Kelly M.
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:42 a.m.

    Every single ICE employee who participated in this raid needs a raise in pay and a hero's medal. Real Americans doing what is right for the country: go all the way ICE, don't stop here!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:40 a.m.

    It sucks to face the consequences of our own actions, doesn't it? Where's the article about all of the wives that cry because their husbands get arrested for drugs or worse? Facts:
    1. They knew they were working here illegally
    2. They continued doing it anyway.

    I feel for those affected, but I'll bet every arrest for any crime has regret. Try following the law.

  • Carlo F.
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    No mention of any laws that were broken or illegal activities. We need to read about the bad activities of illegals, not just the "heartbreaking sob stories".

  • Tony
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:36 a.m.

    I like this proposed Nebraska law.
    "Hiring illegal immigrants could put businesses on the hook for costs ranging from education to welfare, under a bill introduced in the Legislature.
    The bill (LG1170) brought Wednesday by Senator Tom White of Omaha would provide for the recovery of costs for public education, health care and public assistance programs used by illegal immigrants and their families, spouses or other dependents.
    It will sure put a crimp in hiring any illegals. Maybe Utah should try it.

  • Fair Game
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:29 a.m.

    BOO HOO.. "All they wanted was a better way of life." I think I've figured out their thinking, so I can do the same thing & cry. I want a better way of life so, because I drive a car that's constantly breaking down, I can steal a better one. My kids don't always get what they want, so I can shoplift it & not be prosicuted. If I should be arrested, on any of these charges, my wife can expect someone to take care of my family. After all, I'm not there to provide for them. "The strength of society is families." It begins with teaching the families they can't pick and choose what laws they obey. According to a CNN Report, there are as many as 80,000 illegals living in Utah. The same report said: " A growing number of those illegal aliens are using stolen Social Security numbers for their work papers -- 132,000 Utah residents had their Social Security numbers stolen in 2000. That's five percent of Utah's population. There hasn't been an update since then."

  • Chris T
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:29 a.m.

    It is sad for these families, and I do feel sorry for the children - but why don't they just come here LEGALLY, and then all the problems go away? Is there some reason why they cannot do that?

  • Jerry R.
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:23 a.m.

    Cry me a river! Illegals need to go home and take their families with them. That way they can remain a family. If they want to come back to America do it legally, just like the rest of us. The writers of this article are so slanted and biased they should quit their jobs in shame. It is that kind of lawbreaking attitude that encourages illegal aliens to come to Utah.

  • Big Brent
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    These people are no different the the families of other people who commit felonies. Thieves and sex offenders have families too. Those families suffer hardships when their main breadwinners are arrested for the crimes they have committed.

    The people who were arrested chose to commit a misdmeanor (or a felony if they have been deported before) and compound it with a felony after they got here. If they didn't want to do the time, they shouldn't have commited the crime. If they don't like it, they can deport themselves before they get arrested. That way they can apply for a legal work visa and not be barred from re-entry into the U.S. for ten years

  • Jazz Fan
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:14 a.m.

    All criminals and law-brakers should ALWAYS be fearful. THANK YOU.

  • DW
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:13 a.m.

    I can't believe how sympathetic this article is!

    ALL of these guys and their families are criminals because they have immigrated illegally, not just the few who have DUI or drug charges against them.

    Their plight initially draws pity, but the reality is they are the burden of U.S. taxpayers. Until we have a guest-worker program that makes sense, people will try to immigrate illegally. However, the hardships that come to their families in these circumstances are natural consequences of their decisions, not ours.

    It is admirable that some of the students of Orem Jr High are concerned about social justice, but their naivety puts them on the wrong side of this issue. If you want to help these folks, write a letter to your congressman and suggest a creative solution to the immigration quandry.

    Since this is an election year, something might actually get done!

  • Kevin in Texas
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:18 a.m.

    Good Job law enforcement! You just destroyed 57 families. Now all of these peoples' children who are probably citizens by birth, will be on welfare and have no daddys. Lets be realistic, do you think you are going to do that to 12 million people and their families and feel good about yourselves?

  • Come to America
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:14 a.m.

    I believe in the American Dream of a better life. Come, bring your talents, your skills, your desire to work and improve your statues. Bring your families, and hopes for the future.
    How can you expect respect and recognition from a Country whose laws you have no respect for and think you can circumvent w/o concequences.

    These sob stories are all heartwrenching and I'm sure there's a million of them. But you KNEW when you came here illegally that there were risks involved. You break the law, you must answer to it. And that my friends, is also the American way!

  • Badger
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:13 a.m.

    Its time they go back home and build up their own countries.
    The illegal invasion and colonization has to stop!
    The sheister US employer with a 50% illegal workforce, should spend a considerable time in jail with a hefty fine on top!

  • BBurke
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:11 a.m.

    Dial 1 for legal!

    It's time to go home and reform your own country. It's no longer acceptable for you to bring your familes to change our schools, streets and health care.

    We are tired of the sob stories from the lawbreakers and the whiney press.

  • bushie
    Feb. 9, 2008 7:04 a.m.

    A huge majority of American citizens want illegal immigration stopped - liberal, conservative - it doesn't matter and yet the Deseret News has to try to tug at heartstrings by showing a picture of a crying Latino woman on the front page after an ICE raid. Give me a break... come to this country properly - and I do think the Government should allow way more legal immigraton

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:56 a.m.

    Thanks for this pathetic story of victimization, and thanks to the INS for taking a small step to enforce the laws of this country. The world is full of stories of great human tragedy. Think of the millions of Iraqis who were systematically exterminated by Saddam Hussein, the victims in Darfur and countless others we don't even know about. Shouldn't we open our borders to all of them and allow them to illegally immigrate? Why are Mexicans given preference over all the other downtrodden people of the world? Controlled legal immigration has always been good for America. The continued flood of illegal immigrants will lead to the end of America as we know it leaving our children and grandchildren to live under socialist rule. I suggest that these 2 fine D-News reporters try to live in Mexico illegally. No doubt their families would be weeping for them as well.

  • My country
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:46 a.m.

    The United States of America is a sovereign nation.

    We as citizens of the USA have the right to determine our borders.

    We have the right to determine who enters the country.

    These people have entered our borders without following our rules.

    They expect us to bilingually educate their children.

    They expect us to subsidize their health care.

    They expect us to "understand" when their bad ones commit crimes like DUI, drugs, theft or even rape and murder.

    My wife (a legal immigrant) is being dragged into a class-action lawsuit with a Spanish speaker. He says that while she worked in an insurance office years ago that she didn't properly explain the insurance and left him under-insured. Even though he signed all the papers in English. Or in other words, they want our whole world translated for them at our expense, or else they will come with lawyers to sue, sue, sue.

    I have seen first hand the poverty these people come from. I have sympathy for them. But they come like uninvited guests to a party and once there, demand to be served.

  • U. S. Citizen
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:41 a.m.

    If these immigrants love it here so much, they should go through the legal process!! They say we don't understand the poverty in their country? We do, but that does not give them a free ticket into our Country! They don't realize how much money they are costing the U.S Citizens!!! If they want to come here, fine, but abide by OUR laws!!!!

  • Timj
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:35 a.m.

    Sad situation.
    As long as there are jobs here and no jobs there, they'll keep on coming. Walls won't stop them. Fanatical volunteers at the border won't stop them. Raids like this won't stop them.
    What will stop them is improving conditions in their home countries.
    Until the US realizes this, and works toward it, they'll keep coming.

  • FED UP
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:30 a.m.

    Universal Industrial Sales and like businesses that hire illegal aliens are the problem here. If They wouldn't offer jobs to theses people, we wouldn't have this problem. If these places get raided and their employees get busted, then the fines should be imposed on the business at such a rate that the fine would include providing for the affected families until they can get their affairs settled to go back to their homes. Now that so many illegals have come and partaken of the free enterprize and learned capitalistic ways, go back to your homes and implement them there.

  • Migra man
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:16 a.m.

    When you live a life of deceit and fake who you really are, it eventually plays out and you ultimately pay the consequences.
    Back back home, start over, and try doing things the right way for a change!

  • deno
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:16 a.m.

    What is so hard about understanding "illegal"? The families always suffer when anyone breaking the law is arrested. Whether it be drugs, poaching, DUI or any illegal activity. Welcome to Utah...obey the laws or leave!!

  • Enter Name
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:12 a.m.

    Hey Des News, you forgot to mention one thing, ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE ILLEGAL!!!

  • Shun
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:07 a.m.

    Help this poor people to return to their country, and do the things right,and learn to respect the law.

  • Pete
    Feb. 9, 2008 6:05 a.m.

    Undocumented illegal aliens knew there would be risks when sneaking into the United States. They knew they were breaking the law. They chose to become criminals, they chose not to follow the rules. If the United States and Utah change the law for every illegal alien, we might as well throw out all laws. Their case should be a show case of Justice done right by Utah. They must be sent home, at their country's expense. Let this be a wake up call to all other law breaking, sneaks, that without remorse, defile the United States. Up holding the law is the honorable thing to do. Utah should not slap the legal citizens in the face by allowing these law breakers leniency.

  • Reality
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:57 a.m.

    These people broke the law. When US citizens break the law does the paper run articles on the families they will be leaving without an income. No.

    Their have been immigration laws for many years, not only in this country but in every country to protect the workers. When the government stopped enforcing the law, they took advantage of it. Now the economy is turning bad, they are enforcing the laws, and the time has come for them and their families to go back to their homeland. It's not the government or society that's splitting the families, it's by their choice. Their families can go with them.

    Mexico has the 14th strongest economy in the world and protects it's southern border from immigration violations.

  • Why put yourself in this place?
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:31 a.m.

    Why aren't the unions in the country protesting this wave of illegals? They depress the wage scale all over America. I do not live in Utah. I live in a north eastern state.

  • unmoved
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:30 a.m.

    While as a single mother know the heartache at times of not being able to provide essentials for my family, I did not resort to breaking the law. My teen daughters cannot find work in our area, none of the teens here work, because there are too many illegals who will work for nothing. When my company laid closed and laid us off, again I was competing with illegals for the jobs I needed to keep us a float. I was not in debt, had no credit cards with balances and had always paid cash for old cards, but I still got so far behind in my bills, taxes and car registrations. It was very painful. Do not believe for a minute that they are just taking jobs Americans don't want. Any job, from janitor to cashier would have kept me a float three years ago. Most, not all, of the pain I've experienced in my life has been the result of some thing I did. I think the tears of Ms. Ortiz are similar. I am sympathetic to her, but at the same time lets humanely give them a ticket back to their country of origins.

  • Sanity
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:34 a.m.

    We need to make it easier for these folks to immigrate to the United States legally. Our country was built on the backs of immigration. They set a work ethic example for our children. They do need to be here legally but we need to clear the way for that. It is too expensive currently for them to do it legally. It's time to solve this immigration issue. The immigrants should learn english as part of their process.

  • Doug Slater
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:27 a.m.

    Prisons are full of "used to be" parents, whose families are having to cope without the Breadwinner.
    These people created their own problem here without making a concerted effort to correct the situation in their own country. Granted, some are trying to do so legally and are frustrated by our bureacracy.
    There is the real problem and our government is not making it possible for the legal immigrant to come here in a timely manner. Why? Having shuffled paper around an office, I still can't see why it takes years to process any application.

  • Bob G
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:23 a.m.

    Money received or gotten by illegal means does not belong to them. The money should be given to the state and used as tax revenues not collected from these illegal scum low lifes. The families new the risks of being illegal and should suffer the consequences of their own actions. If they don't like it they can return to Mexico across the Rio Grande from whence they come, and don't forget the kids, we don't want you saying we wouldn't let you take them with you. The illegal children of illgals do not bleong here either and are not citizens of the US. They may have been birthed here but concieved in mexico and transported illegally across the border as hidden human smuggling.

  • Gringo Ward
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:06 a.m.

    Many are making a better life by doing drug trafficking, being a coyote in smuggling in illegal immigrants at a hefty price, driving without a license with no insurance, free medical and identity theft. I am giving you this information because you are apparently not aware of these practices. This should help you with the tone, and substance of your messages on this issue.

    The US Department is in big trouble by sanctioning trucks entering from Mexico on our US Highways, and this issue will be in our High Court soon. This takes jobs away from our own truck drivers in the US, and it is illegal. You should listen to the news on CNN to be more informed on all the issues of Illegal Immigration.

    Please pass this on to Joe

  • Jay
    Feb. 9, 2008 5:10 a.m.

    I am sorry these families are having to go through this. However, if they had not broken the law, they would not be in this situation. They brought it upon themselves. On the most basic level they are stealing.

    There are poor people all over the world. There are poor people in every country on the planet, with the maybe the exception of Monaco. We even have poor here in the United States! What are we doing for them?

    There are two ways to do things--the right way and the wrong way. Looks like these people elected to do things the wrong way. Now they must suffer the consequences of their actions.

    And please, don't you bleeding hearts try to give a guilt trip *me* for *their* bad decisions. If you or I were to break the law, we could expect the same treatment.

  • Hmmm
    Feb. 9, 2008 4:41 a.m.

    Being a criminal is a crime. It hurts you and your family. Go home. Don't risk getting caught and hurting them and you. It is not my responsibility to take care of criminals or feel sorry for you for coming here and knowingly breaking my laws.

  • Came here legally
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:54 a.m.

    I too came to this country looking for something better but I did it legally. When I came, I adapted to the country not expecting the country to adapt to me. I am now an American citizen and have seven children and certainly can feel for families that are torn apart. But there has to be a better way than living in fear with the constant threat of being torn apart and thrown in jail.

  • DN Go For It
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:40 a.m.

    Please publish where they can get LDS welfare and help . Just wondering , I have never seen it?

  • be realistic
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:40 a.m.

    no country in the world lets anyone who wants to come and live without their say. I have no problem with immigrants whatsoever, In fact I think they provide a lot of good to our communities. Just do it legally and then you don't have to be worried about shopping at the mall and having the ICE come and pick you up. Everyone is welcome here, that is one of the wonderful thing about this country. Just do it legally.

  • Carlos
    Feb. 9, 2008 1:14 a.m.

    For once, I wish the newspaper would write an article about the responsibility illegal immigrants have to obey the laws of the United States--they are having trouble now because they thought they could commit a crime (entering illegally) and not get caught. They thought that America is weaker than Mexico with its immigration policy. Perhaps those individuals this article mentions crying about "divided families" , or the "injustice" of ICE enforcing US laws should have thought of the consequences of their own actions before breaking the law. I have spoken to hundreds of illegal Mexicans, and not one has any remorse for breaking the laws of the US. I for one am tired of articles like this one which focuses on the "pain" these lawbreakers feel, rather than on the damage they cause by doing it---lower wages for many US workers, and increased social, law enforcement and healthcare costs for us all.
    The Mexican government at all levels is corrupt and demonstrably uncaring about creating jobs for its own citizens, and wants them to come to the US to mask its own terrible shortcomings-- illegals send back $25 Billion dollars to Mexico.
    Why can't Mexicans obey the law?