Whittingham says 2 Ute football players recovering from stabbing

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  • Criminal justice system ...
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:56 p.m.

    is broke. Years of hard labor should be given to these little thugs. Make believers out of them.
    After serving their sentences, then the Social Workers can take over and check them out. Stabbing with intent to kill should be the same as murder in the justice system.

  • Whatever weaklings!
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:37 p.m.

    All you who have got after us for labeling Mexican people need to get over it. If you pay attention in the news, 90% or more of the crime that takes place in Utah is done by a Jose, Juan, Caesar, Julio or some hispanic name. So yes, while there are good Mexicans out there, they get the sterotype thanks to the THUGS that give them the name, those that do no good and excuse the law. We The People might have to turn back to the old west days and create our own vigilant committees. For those that think guns should be left at home, say what you will, but as for me, I will carry one and protect myself against any thug!

    Now, to what is most important here, I hope the 3 players involved make a safe and speedy recovery from this incident.

  • Jonny Canuk 2
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:28 p.m.

    I have nightmares all the time and it usually involves being assaulted by a youth gang and not being able to do anything about it. I lost my job after a few months because of the change in composure I experienced. I went from a happy go lucky pub manager to a shell of a person who avoids people whenever possible.

    4 out of 5 of the kids they caught were let off completely if they would testify against the leader with the biggest knife. His charge of attempted murder was dropped to assault with a weapon and he got 4 months in a Kiddy Kriminal Kamp increasing his late nite skills.

    It doesn't matter the nationality of people to make them violent. If we as a society believe it is alright for children to be out at that time of night then we are getting what we deserve. Where are the Family Values. The youth justice system is just making for more adult criminals better trained and far more violent. Hollywood and all it entails merely adds to the problem. It's so cool to be tough or so it would seem on TV.

  • Football Fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:08 p.m.

    I hope they get better real soon. It sounds like a scary situation and I hope it never happens again. The Krugers are very good football players with excellent potential and a lot of size. I hope the cops can nail these cowards who don't know how to fight like a man. Oh well, I'm just glad they're okay and their families can see them again. I'm a Cougar fan but this incident takes prevalence over any silly rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard BYU fan and wish the Krugers came to Provo but I sincerely hope BYU beats Utah in every sport there is, especially football. But some things are a lot more important. I wish Paul a speedy recovery.

  • UteLove
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:04 p.m.

    Our thoughts are with everyone that were involved. It is unfortunate what happened, I hope that you have a sppedy recovery so you can go out there and dominate just like always. I hope the police catch the guys. Can't wait to see "mini Kruger" out there too. Go Utes! Get well soon!

  • Jonny Canuk 1
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:15 p.m.

    I am about. to sort of celebrate 17 years since I was stabbed multiple times by a group of teens out for something to do at 3 am. I was a pub supervisor and after closing up one Saturday nite I was confronted by them outside the establishment. Even though there were 2 cabs waiting in the taxi line, plus front desk hotel staff and a few of the waitresses present , these 5 kids , all under 16, just decided it was time for them to have a little fun and attack basically anyone in their surrounding. I was the biggest one around so they chose me first.
    The Dr's at emergency said it was lucky that I was as big as I was or one of the strikes would have had the liver and another in the back of the heart.

    Though I recovered quickly from the physical attacks I am not sure I will ever be over the mental problems. Hopefully these young men can get the help they will need immediately though they may not think they need any. I can still feel every wound every hr of every day.

  • utah ute fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:48 p.m.

    this is terrible i hope you three can recover and be out there against michigan next year, and what a great class act by BYU fans i think that shows that there is a lot of cougar fans who show a lot of respect to utah players when something like this happens to them and i would hope ute fans would do the same for the cougars.

  • two points
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:13 p.m.

    As a close friend of a police officer, I know he does NOT want everybody carrying a firearm. The opportunity to use it at the right time in the right situation is about as likely as dying in an airplane crash = VERY RARE. But it will make law enforcement more difficult everytime somebody takes the law into his own hands and pulls out a firearm. Mistakes will be made and unfortunately law enforcement will be blamed at first.

    Point 2- Even if ALL crime in the US (which obviously is not) were caused by illegal aliens, it would not mean ALL illegal aliens are evil law-breaking scum. Ask yourself this, if you had no money, no food and no shelter, but needed to provide for your family, would you really consider it a major sin and crime to cross the border to work a lower than minimum wage paying blue collar job? There may be a lot of bad ones but my guess is most of them are good law abiding citizens who just happen to cross the border to get a job.

  • re: People, (2)
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:10 p.m.

    "...nobody just gets out of a car and jumps someone else, they probably did something to provoke the whole incident."

    WRONG!!! I wasn't there, and thus, don't really know what happened, but there ARE people who DO jump out of their cars, unprovoked, and get medieval on people. It makes them feel powerful. I don't care how big those football players were, when it's 15 on 3, and those with the numbers are wielding weaponry, size alone won't help the 3.

    To those all offended by the facts that the assailants were hispanic, with one possible caucasian, get over it. That's a highly relevant fact. Now the police, and local vigilantes, can ignore any black, asian, or polynesian "suspects."

  • To "right to bare arms"
    Jan. 21, 2008 7:36 p.m.

    I agree wholeheartedly that bare arms should be the right of all citizens. When it comes to bearing arms, however, the thoughts of every yahoo on the streets "packing" scares me to death. I'm all for self defense, but everyone packing a firearm is not the answer--way too much room for tragic mistakes and the gunning down of innocent bystanders. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE.

  • UtahBoy
    Jan. 21, 2008 7:25 p.m.

    Best wishes to the victims in this tragedy. I looked up their profiles, they're big guys, not that that matters when the attackers had weapons but I just hope the criminals get caught soon and taken off the streets.

  • Interesting
    Jan. 21, 2008 7:25 p.m.

    I find it very interesting that yesterday when I made a comment about Steve Sanderson, the wrestling coach at Wasatch High, the Des News didn't print it because I guess it was mean to question certain things...BUT it was perfectly fine for the Des News to print the stuff about "those Mexicans" wjo attacked these guys. Protect the country bumpkin, but open day on Mexicans. Get your priorities right, Des News. I do pray these boys get better and whoever is responsible, white, black, brown, yellow, etc., are caught.

  • People,
    Jan. 21, 2008 7:04 p.m.

    First things first I do know that we all have a right to say our personal opinions, but there is a time and place for everything. And this is nether. Having said that I can proceed.

  • People, (1)
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:55 p.m.

    First of all I want to show my condolences to the whole Kruger family. I play football with Joe, and David Kruger at THS, so I will tell them personally. I am horrified at what I read in all these comments. People are sick these days and I don't mean the people who committed the crime. First one is all the I am a Cougar fan please keep it out of here it is very irrelevant. Next one is the whole thing about Utah becoming a horrible state and that is crime filled, please stop Utah is probably one of the safest states in the nation. These things just happen occasionally, saying that its becoming crime filled just shows how ignorant of your surroundings you are.

  • People, (2)
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:54 p.m.

    Then I saw some people say racist comments. You can't fight hate with hate. You have no idea if they are in this country illegally or not. We are coming to a point where most Hispanics under the age of 20, are born here. Then I saw some people that say what if they had carried a weapon. It is probably for the best that they did not carry one. Killing someone is something that a regular person would rather avoid. Me, I would take a knife rather then kill someone, because even if I survived, I would not be able to live. To the person who said please vote for Mitt, go to another place to advertise. And although I know them, I must face facts, nobody just gets out of a car and jumps someone else, they probably did something to provoke the whole incident. I hope they recover soon. And my prayers go out to them.

  • get real
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:49 p.m.

    I hope they get well quick and are able to continue to play football and get an education.

    Assuming that all mexicans are illegals is just wrong. I moved to this state 17 years ago and have loved it. Even when I left for the military I got orders to come back to Utah and jumped all over it.

    During my time in this state I have dated white girls and LDS girls and some of their parents either hated me because I was mixed, not LDS or just the guy dating their daughter. But I never labeled the rest of the people living in this state based on my experiences with some of the parents. Even with some of the blatent racists on this board I still won't put a label on the people in this state.

    To call all mexicans illegals is just flat out offensive and to encourage people to get a gun is just irresponsible. What are you going to do? Shoot everyone who is brown or who speaks with an accent. Leave the guns in your house and let the authorities deal with the crimes, you will just end up shooting the wrong person.

  • seriously
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:48 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with the rivalry. This was a tragic, real life incident. I went to school with Paul and played football with him in high school, and yes I'm a BYU fan, but that doesn't matter, I hope he gets well soon.

  • to stop and think
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:34 p.m.

    maybe you should heed your own advice. What a ridiculous thing to say about "Cougar fans piously announcing their allegiance". Obviously, wishing these young men well shouldn't have anything to do with what team you root for, but whether or not someone attaches it to the well wishes isn't a big deal either.

    Let it go- this is your sick attempt at going after Cougar fans once again and trying to find something negative about them despite their well-wishes. Just be happy that everyone out there, Cougar, ute, or even lame gator fan (who had to make a similar comment), are worried about and praying for these young men.

    Best of luck to the three involved, as that is the only real issue here.

  • Utah Fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:28 p.m.

    Best of wishes. Greg, Paul,and David, I hope that you can all recovery quickly and get back to doing the things that you love. Our thougths are with you and your families.

  • Gator fan in reality?
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:17 p.m.

    What does Martin luther King have to do with Mexicans? Last I checked, 99.9% of African-Americans are legal citizens?

  • RE: Gator fan in reality
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:15 p.m.

    RE: Gator Fan in Reality - You single out two comments and automatically label the entire state and fan base? That is a little unfair wouldn't you say? I think it is an unfair label you just plastered all over Utah and BYU fans and Utah citizens in general.

    I think the real concern with everyone here is that the young men recover and are well. My concern with the perps is that they are caught and handle by the law the way they should be. No matter where you live in this nation people will all react differently.

  • Stop and Think
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:13 p.m.

    There is nothing praiseworthy about Cougarfan piously announcing his allegiance before wishing the victims well. Good will should come without conditions.

    Both papers are dropping the ball if the victims are indeed reporting that the attackers were hispanic but media are declining to publish that bit. It's relevant to the story b/c we are a society of laws. And illegal immigrants (incl. the vast majority of Utah's booming hispanic pop.) bring harm to a society of laws by ignoring the law the moment they set foot in the US.

    Thus concealed carry becomes a regrettable necessity -- government won't enforce the laws it enacts; illegal immigrants care little about government or abiding by its laws (after all, they broke law to get here, and the gov't they left was probably corrupt); hence citizens must become a government unto themselves.

    Remember the Old West. Law could not keep up with outlaw. "Vigilance Committees" were formed. Must we return to that? The people will maintain their own order if their government can't.

  • Pro-bare arms UTE FAN!!!
    Jan. 21, 2008 5:46 p.m.

    This should be a lesson to all of the law abiding citizens, we have a right to lawfully bare arms. We need to take the lawful approach and get our permit to carry a concealed weapon so that if/when something like this happens to ourself or to someone who is in the wrong place at the wrong time as was the case here we can step up and do something.

    I have become intolerant (if thats a word) of thugs and ghetto scrubs who play this way. Something must be done and we can make a difference. LETS STEP UP!!!

    Good luck to the injured players, I hope and pray you recover well.

  • VEGAS UTE!!!
    Jan. 21, 2008 5:33 p.m.

    Get well Paul, Greg and David. What an unfortunate thing that happened. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

  • Pro-Gun Cougar
    Jan. 21, 2008 5:19 p.m.

    Agreed, law abiding ctizens should get trained and carry firearms. Having been mugged before, I can tell you that it is not a pleasant experience. The worst part is knowing that the crack head is controlling the situation.

    I carry a firearm every day and I am not LE or anything. Just a law abiding citizen.

    Sorry to hear about this. As much as I hate the utes when we line up against them in November, I wouldn't wish something like this on them (only a 4th and 18 kind of thing).

    Hope they recover well.

    Jan. 21, 2008 4:44 p.m.

    Will Paul recover from his injuries and be able to play again?

    I sure hope he heals and gets better. Best of luck to all involved and my prayers are with you!

  • Right to bare arms! Utah Man
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    I do not see what the problem would have been if the boys would have been liscensed to carry a gun and used it. They were attacked, it would have been out of self defense. Don't we have a right to lawfully bear arms?

    I have a concealed weapons permit because you never know when things like this can happen. I carry it all the time as a matter of fact and if anyone jumps my family and I such as this they better be able to get to my gun before I do or they are as good as gone.

    I wish the boys a safe and speedy recovery.

  • Man with a gun?
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:31 p.m.

    If these kids were carrying a gun and shot the attackers Im sure the ACLU would make sure they go to jail. Political correctness is going to destroy our society. ACLU is destroying our country and its time we put it to a stop!

  • Recovery?
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:29 p.m.

    Ok, this might draw some heat but I don't ask it out of concern for the football team. Let me make it known that first and foremost I hope that the players involved are able to make a quick and speedy recovery. There health is first and foremost the most important thing.

    I do wonder though is Paul Krugers injury is career threatening? Will he be able to recover and play next year? He is a huge peace of the U's defense.

    I certainly hope and pray he and the others are able to heal and recover. And I hope the people who did this cowardly like act are caught and put away.

  • RE: Man with a gun
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:22 p.m.

    I agree! I totally agree. It is time we as law abiding people do something, get your ccw permits so we can actually take some action when things such as this and other incidents such as Trolley Square happen.

    Arm yourself people and lets not sit back and let the criminals and thugs run the streets!

  • Utah Man
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:04 p.m.

    These are good kids, have good clean fun and it is sad that they were victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope and pray for a speedy recovery for all 3 young men.

  • Man with a gun
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:02 p.m.

    Bad news folks. It is only going to get worse. Just like it has been for the many years. Time to WAKE-UP and face the REALITY people. These sorts of events are going to increase and get much worse.

    UNLESS... we law abiding everyday average citizens do something. There is not enough room here to go in to detail, but the message is the same - EITHER TAKE CONTROL OF OUR STREETS OR GIVE THEM OVER TO THE CRIMINALS!

    Arm yourself. Get trained. Arm yourself. Defend your family. Arm yourself. Form community watch groups. Arm yourself. Defend and help your neighbor. Arm yourself. Stop being afraid of Political Correctness. Arm yourself. Fight back against crime. Oh yeah, Arm yourself.

    Talking about it on News comment boards is fine, but ACTION is the only way. It always has been the answer, since the beginning of mankind. Talk, combined with action.

    Otherwise, get out the Kleenex and be ready to cry... because it will affect you personally. Sooner than you think. It will continue to get worse until it will be much harder to turn it around.

    God bless you young men - Get well soon.

  • BYU Man
    Jan. 21, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    Thoughts and prayers to all injured for fast recovery.

  • A Ute thanking Cougars
    Jan. 21, 2008 3:00 p.m.

    Great comments. Very classy that we put the lives of our athletes above our rivalry. This is real life; football is just a game.

  • BYU student
    Jan. 21, 2008 2:40 p.m.

    Very sad indeed. Good luck to those guys! I hope they recover quick. We'll be praying for them and their family and friends.

  • trainer
    Jan. 21, 2008 2:40 p.m.

    Makes me glad I work in Santa Ana,Ca. and not SLC. Never been attacked here. God bless those young men who were attacted. May they have a full recovery.

  • Coug
    Jan. 21, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    I'm praying for a fast recovery of these athletes and their families. Get well soon.

    I hope the 'perps' are caught and brought to justice.

    What this incident has to do with illegal immigration and Mitt Romney, I don't know.

  • Idahoan
    Jan. 21, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    I also hope the these young men fully recover, mentally as well as physically. Please catch the attackers quickly, before anyone else gets hurt or even killed.

  • SportsWest
    Jan. 21, 2008 1:25 p.m.

    As unbelievable as it is, these things happen. I know from first hand experience!!! I hope that the perps get caught and that the court system has the courage to make an example of these low lifes! Good luck for a speedy recovery and we hope to see all three of you on the field this fall.

  • byu fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 12:49 p.m.

    best wishes for a quick and complete recovery

  • Cajuncoug
    Jan. 21, 2008 12:48 p.m.

    No one likes to see stuff like this happen to anyone. I hope that the Krugers & the third Ute player can make a safe and full recovery and get back to their top playing levels.

    If this incident happened as reported, the perps need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Jumping an unarmed, outnumbered party and assaulting them with superior numbers and weapons...cowardice at its near best.

  • Vote for Mitt Romney
    Jan. 21, 2008 12:20 p.m.

    Anyone who would like illegals to be transported back to their own country needs to VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY!!!


    VOTE FOR MITT!!!!!

  • BYU fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 12:20 p.m.

    sorry Utes. We all hope the players recover wuickly and are able to continue to play football.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 21, 2008 12:05 p.m.

    It makes sense to me. There are a lot of people out there that will say something to you, and if you say something back, that is all the reason to fight you. Obviously these kids didn't provoke the fight therefore they didn't deserve anything they got. Good luck boys.

  • Watcher
    Jan. 21, 2008 11:41 a.m.

    Get well quickly, Greg and Krugers. OPHS and Agoura First.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 21, 2008 11:24 a.m.

    Who cares if you are a Cougar or Ute fan. This is something that should have never happened I feel fro both students... No I will not tell you what school affiliation I have because it does not matter....

  • Bob
    Jan. 21, 2008 11:03 a.m.

    These jerks will be found and sent away for many years. They've probably already bragged about it and now it's just a matter of someone coming forward.
    Paul is tougher than two sacks of nails and he will come through this. Thank you to all Cougar fans who posted on this site and sent their good wishes. That is pure class.

  • For Bucko
    Jan. 21, 2008 11:02 a.m.

    You need to take back your comments.....they have no business being published here. My son was at the party.

    A bunch of people drove up in a car and started jawing at some partygoers on the lawn. Someone middle-fingered the car and it drove off. ONLY AFTER this incident did the Krugers come out of the house. Then the car returned, the perps got out, and they began fighting with anyone they could find. The players in question were only outside because they were leaving........they were not even witnesses to the original verbal altercation.

    Please do not try to tear down the reputation of these fine young men by passing judgment on a situation you have no knowledge of.

  • Re: Bucko
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:17 a.m.

    My thoughts exactly. Where is the rest of the story?

  • God Bless
    Jan. 21, 2008 10:05 a.m.

    Speedy recovery to all three men. As a Ute fan I hope to see them back on the field, more importantly as a fellow human being I wish them a healthy recovery. My families prayers and thoughts are with you.

  • Bucko
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:59 a.m.

    Doesn't seem to 'add up.' Just walking down the street - got jumped - umm.

  • Hmm.
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    Anyone really surprised though that even good guys are in danger at U partys? Salt Lake is the new armpit of the state. Good news Ogden!

  • BYU fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:52 a.m.

    Get better, Ute players. We'er all praying for you guys. I hope they can find the people responsible for this terrible act. Good luck, guys!

  • Utah Man
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:50 a.m.

    Here is to a quick recovery. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

  • Texas Cougar
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Unbelievable! Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims.

  • MottoBlue
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Count me as another Cougar fan praying for a quick recovery for the 3 Utes who were attacked and quick (and severe) justice for their cowardly attackers. I hope all appropriate law enforcement resources are dedicated to apprehending the perpetrators. We can't let our streets or our lives be governed by petty thugs.

  • Good Luck!
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:21 a.m.

    I don't know the third Ute, but the Kruger bros. are a class act. Good Luck.

  • duhverl
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:20 a.m.

    Horrid! Get well soon! All we true blue Cougars want you to recover.

  • Cougar Fan
    Jan. 21, 2008 9:19 a.m.

    Usually when I read stories like this, I assume that the athletes are involved in the "wrong" circles and somehow provoked the attack.

    However, in this case, I can unequivocably say that Paul and David Kruger are good, solid citizens and are upstanding men. My sympathies go out to them and their injured teammate and I wish them a speedy recovery.

    May the attackers be brought to justice!

  • Johny Fairplay
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:49 a.m.

    Classy comments Cougar fans.

  • man
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    this non-sense, catch these guys as a knife is as ruthless as a gun. the streets are turning into a killing zone, harming or ending someone's life is not worth it!And #77, take care and we love U!!

  • sob
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    we seem to live in a world where courage is proved by how many can assualt one or two, especially those who are unarmed. cowardice rules.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 21, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    I'm a Cougar fan too. I wish the best for these guys. Here's to hoping they can get back on their feet quickly.

  • IceBlue
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:27 a.m.

    While I am a dyed in the wool Cougar, our thoughts and prayers are with these victims. These are the things that put our rivalry into perspective. God bless all affected by this gross injustice, and may the police catch those perpetrators so it won't happen again.

  • d-man
    Jan. 21, 2008 6:27 a.m.

    I'm a Cougar fan, but I hate hearing about stuff like this involving any athlete. I hope these guys recover quickly.

  • Marcia Gandolph
    Jan. 21, 2008 4:44 a.m.

    Paul Kruger looks just like his Dad at that age. I'm praying for a speedy recovery for all of these boys. (OLd Seminary teacher to the ELder Paul 30 years ago)