this is great! Thanks slc
"It doesn't matter that it won't hurt the institution of marriage or that your
neighbor is a good neighbor. Why should our tax money be used to pay benefits
for someone's gay partner of the month?"That's laughable. If you
want to play that game, the better question is why should childless gay couples
have to pay for your swarm of kids to get an education?
Evidently mormons feel that only they should be treated fairly and that others
who are different in one way or another should not. Your so-called "Christian
love" is nothing more than hypocrisy. As a gay man, I say this: "G-D made me.
G-D made me gay. Did G-D make a mistake?" Were I to find one man to love, I
would want to be registered in a civil union.Perhaps a better
solution would be to dissolve the "institution" or marriage completely and call
it "civil unions" for one and all. That way, everyone is treated equally.
I loved Rocky! What a great American, and a wonderful Mayor he was. Only
bigots have a problem with two loving adults having rights of survivorship,
mutual cohabitation, and medical/death benefits. I wonder which group of
responders here would have thrown a fit back in the 60's when blacks were
allowed to sit in restaurants, anywhere on a bus, or drink from the same
fountain. Ignorance and religious stupidity go hand in hand.The new
mayor did the moral thing. The opposition are the immoral ones here.
It's surprising to see Salt Lake City move toward this. It gives me hope
Columbia, South Carolina may one day crawl out of their Inquisition period.
Too bad Christians are nothing like their Christ.Mormons are included in
that one.When policy is based in religion, it produces inequality
(See Muslim cultures for proof. Christians are not exempt from that little
bit of truth.I hope that we can all put our definitions of God away
real soon and just start living and loving.
Of course same sex couples, should be allowed to get married. Why should us
hetrosexuals have all the misery!
It's clear to see that the religious have no compassion. No wonder Christianity
is losing to secularism because Christianity no longer follows the teachings of
Jesus. Being gay isn't a choice. You are born gay. People are born
gay in SLC. It's not an outside phenomenon. The high young male suicide rate in
UT should tell you this. Don't they have just as much right to live, be happy,
and have equal rights as a religious bigot? Property prices? Ten
kids and no money kills the neigborhood. parents too busy at church to monitor
the activities of their spawn ruin the neighborhood. Neighbors who can't let
other people live their lives free from hate and discrimination ruin the
Surely you all know that this registry wouldn't actually be paying for anybody's
insurance benefits.As for people taking advantage of it "Chuck &
Larry" style, the registry would actually help curb that kind of abuse. Some businesses choose to provide domestic-partner benefits because
people-friendly policies like these help them compete for and retain
well-qualified workers.How can an employer tell when an employee is
"faking" in order to get benefits for his "Chuck & Larry" roommate? Until now,
there's been no simple way for an employer to verify a domestic partnership.The registry would make it easy for employers who choose to provide
domestic-partner benefits to determine which employees qualify. Employers which
do not choose to provide these benefits would not be affected. That's all there is to it.
You wrote: "Do whatever you want behind closed doors, but don't take away my tax
dollars to fund it! Insurance rates were high enough without adding STDs."STD rates would actually go down if anything. I mean the state is
rewarding someone for being in a committed monogamous relationship. Do you mean
to imply that homosexuals don't have sex without the express permission of the
Homosexual you COULD NOT WBM5! It's interesting that people like to deny that
homosexuals don't have as many rights! Homosexuals are attracted to the same
gender like you are attrated to the opposite gender. That's a big difference!
And further, they are NOT allowed the same rights as those couples.Whether
or not you agree with the lifestyle doesn't matter. That is a fact!
San Lakeisco, Utah.
Why is it assumed that any anti gay or negative statement on here is made by a
member of the LDS faith? I'm sure that some of it is, but believe it or not
there are people who live in SLC or Utah who are heterosexual, who are also
opposed to this domestic partnership registry, and therefore may have actually
posted some negative hateful comment on here. I know it's hard to believe, but
there are some non mormon straights in Utah who also strongly disagree with
Hey everyone has the same right to get married. No one is preventing anyone
from this. Some people just don't want to play by the rules. You have the
right to marry someone of the opposite sex: the same right I have and everyone
else. No one has denied anyone from this. This has nothing to do with
religion.Stop trying to change everyone. I don't wanted to be
converted by you. I don't want to buy into your "religion", of what ever anyone
does is ok. I don't have to accept what you say. I really wish people wouldn't
be so 2 faced. STOP FORCING me to your way of thinking. People who
want these benefits can get them. Go to work and provide for yourself! I don't
sit around and demand others to give me something. I work for what I have and so
did my ancestors and I appreciate what they did. And I don't mean Utah
pioneers. I mean the people who have fought and died so I could join which
church I wanted, I could live anywhere, I could vote, I could own land. And I
could marry any person of the opposite sex!
What does this have to do with religion. This issue is a nightmare for
employers and business owners, and many others. Stop trying to paint the issue
as Mormons against gays. If that was the case all the other states would have
passed these measures without issue. Instead similar measures have been
defeated in other states, including mine, that have very low LDS populations,
but many that see how wrong these measures are, in so many ways.
Has anyone seen the movie Chuck and Larry? I wouldn't put it past some people to
try to take advantage of the situation. I feel this is opening up a can of worms
The people of SLC made their choice, if you are an angry Mormon who lives in SLC
who is upset about this, all I can tell you is that you had your chance and if
all the Mormons had gone out to vote we could have won. I did my part, did you
do yours? Also we can vote with our feet and with our money. We
can just as easily move the financial and cultural center of Utah a few miles to
the south to Sandy, at least there we won't get the locals angry because we have
the gall not to live next to where we work. And the only tax on drivers who
live outside of Sandy will be traffic tickets, which aren't nearly as bad as
You have your god and the right to believe in it; and thus you can consider your
marriage to be an institution of god. I don't believe in god and
don't have to; marriage to me is one person sharing there life with another
through legal (remind you church and state are supposed to be separate) bounds.
So I can have children and raise them in a way that I see fits a humanistic
perspective- this includes treating people with respect and dignity. Something
that many utahns are proud enough to deny people of.I still can't
believe that people are arrogant enough to think that one book, or in this case
two books, should control their, and worst of all, my life. To me they are just
books, poorly written ones at that. This country was founded on the
idea of freedom, not god. Don't try to force me or people of humanistic
lifestyles do believe in your crap. NO MATTER WHERE WE LIVE! You sure don't see
us doing it to you- we are merely trying to live our lives, and you don't see
people of alternate lifestyles criticizing you for being socially regular. Ignorance!
Quite frankly, I don't care who is gay, who is with who and what not. If I have
a relationship with someone, I really don't care what others may think of it
because in the end, it's between the two people anyways.
There have been people above saying that being homosexual is like committing
adultery. Adultry is cheating and homosexuality is who a person is attracted to.
I think you have an issue of changing the subject when it is uncomfortable.You are also wrong about "liberal Christians". Our ranks are increasing, but
you may not realize it. I guess it depends on what you say is liberal. Maybe I
should say "thinking for ourselves" is increasing instead totally following a
book that is thousands of years old. All the prophets had their strong points
for their time, but not in every way for now.But I realize you will think
what you like no matter what I say.Oh whatever you think about "Divorce
Rates" which has nothing to do with this topic. I'm glad that you and your
family has been lucky enough to not be affected by divorce. Good for you! Good Luck
Are not? The gay people I've known haven't told me one way or another whether
they are for "plural marriage" or not! That may be because this is a different
issue. Sure, some woman may be happy in those types of relationships, but not
most. Every woman I know would not. And let's not forget all the problems that
are within these types of relationships. These are separate issues than gay
rights!I guess I am a "buffet Christian" and that's ok with me. Things
that don't make sense in today's world anymore such as slavery, inequality to
women, blood sacrifices and many more things (all in the Bible) are not part of
my and probably your Christianity. Time to evaluate what things might be part of
yours that doesn't make sense in today's world.
To Those (Again)...Not all those practicing plural marriage are forced into it.
If homosexuals want equal rights then they need to be tolerent and accepting of
Jimney Crickets man! How did I stumble onto a vile blog like this one. whewwwy!
I have never seen so many rock throwing people in all my days of living. You
guys couldn't possibly be a bunch of holier than thou deitys? No way! Have fun throwing mountains at each other. As for me, I will keep searching
for a nice religion with nice people.Much of what you ALL say has
little sense about it.
There are consenting adults in "plural marriages". Now if you want your rights
as a homosexual, then don't be a bigot toward those that want more than one
partner. Not all women are forced to enter into this practice.
So your scientific study, sampling friends and family is indicative of America?
Few of my friends and family are divorced, therefore Americas must have a low
divorce rate. Sounds like your study is a denunciation of the people you
associate with. Bottom line, the 50% study was bogus and skewed to advocate a
social agenda. Dont take my word for it, take the time to study it.As for being Christian, I find it ridiculous that you claim to be one and yet
advocate behavior that has been rejected as sin since the beginning of Judeo
Christian thought, by numerous scholars, priests, rabbis, prophets, etc. Just
because some men/women advocate it as proper does not change its nature in the
eyes of God. And there are not a lot of you (liberal Christians), and your
numbers are dying. Personally, I dont care what you do. However,
I have problems when you say we have to accept radical changes to the nucleus
(traditional family) of a good society because you cant have special rights.
You know what kills me? Is when I read these BUFFET CHRISTIAN STATEMENTS.For example " I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM GAY?" Time out!
Seriously time out. Buffet Christian you are! Marriage between a man
and woman is sacred to God. Sexual deviations are unacceptabel to God. Its in
your Bible and its in mine. Last time I checked the Bible, which was written by
God's messangers HIS PROPHETS, contained GODS WORDS. I think Romans
( NEW TESTAMENT) says it pretty clearly.For this cause God gave them
up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the
natural use of the woman, burned in their aust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet. So tell me my BUFFET CHRISTIANS how can
you do this? Yes we are all weak and fall short of the glory of God but to glory
in your sin? For shame. It is wrong to SIN ( actively Gay). It is
not wrong to be tempted.
We should keep in mind that laws are made by our state legislature which govern
and protect the people of Utah. If you are concerned about what is happening in
Salt Lake let your elected legislature people know of your feelings and when you
do use your name. What concerns me in reading all these comments is that people
haven't used their real names. If you feel strongly about something be willing
to stand up and not be afraid to defend what you believe and not hide behind
another name. I feel marriage is sacred. I don't condemn those who have sexual
problems. But I do believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
The Bible makes it clear it wasn't meant to be any different than that.
The ignorant part of me says: What's next? Benefits for Drinking Partners,
Gambling Partners, Sunday Golfing Partners? But the compassionate side of me
that has seen: 1. That my gay cousin loves her partner just as much as I love my
wife. 2. The outrageous costs that I pay for health coverage. That side of me
says that perhaps we need to develop a system that allows these same-sex couples
to get a break somehow. And not just same-sex couples, two (three, four, five,
etc.)people who are healthy to join together in a group to get effective health
care at a lower cost, because single coverage for one person (or one family for
that matter) is ridiculously expensive. I do feel that if same-sex couples are
allowed to get health-coverage together, that care for STD's aren't covered to
encourage monogamy and safe-sex(If there is such a thing in a homosexual
Adultery is adultery = infidelity to one's spouse.Fornication is
pre-marital.Homosexuality is homosexuality - we all know what that is.Lust is lust. Pornography is pornography and it's also infidelity or
immorality (either by the viewer or by the participants). A pedofile is
an abuser of children and there are many more terms that I could go into but
don't need to. - - - A homosexual act isn't necessarily a homosexual as well
because a heterosexual CAN commit homosexual acts. A Christian can do
non-Christian acts and a non-Christian can do Christian acts. A homosexual act
committed by an un-married person is what it is. It's not adultery because
adultery is committed by one who is married. - - -So what??? I don't see your
point. "people in biblical times" "didn't understand" isn't legit with me
because a prophet of God like Moses or Abraham or a person like Jesus or Paul or
Peter or John and so forth all ultimately said the same things and knew God.
Evil has always been evil and good has always been good. Different commandments
have been here at different times, but I don't understand your point.
To respondents of Hard Acceptance:"Dont forget that the Savior told
the woman to go and sin no more.""It ought to be taken into
consideration that Christ then said, "go thy way and sin no more" This is what Christ said to her, without ignorance taht she'll never sin
again. Him, knowing every bit that she'll never NOT sin again did not discount
His compassion and lack of comdemnation towards her, as this charge given by Him
is not given to her through anything but His pure love. The feelings
generated from Christians who readily wanted to take the role of Christ and
Savior towards the "Gays", are not only crossing the line of their supposed
superiority over their fellow beings, but are influenced under some grand
delusions that they have event a hint of power to impose such judgements on
their fellow sinners. They're your fellow sinners, just like you,
sinners, no less, no more. And Christ doesn't care if you sin through your
chosen poison that you've kept secret, or through the poison others have chosen
that are exposed. Back to the same questionAre you
HIGHER than Christ, that you should condemn, when He does NOT
That the divorce rate in the U.S. is around 50%. I'm sure it varies from study
to study. But I've kept track of my family, friends and associates and it's
close to that! And what does that do with gay people anyway? If they want to
commit to one another they would be reinforcing those type of committed
relationships.As far as the person above that thinks that being gay is a
sin like committing adultery...you are wrong. If you love a person (even if they
are the same sex) and you commit only to them, that's not adultery. Adultery is
ANYONE that has already comitted and is with another. You do have Biblical
passages to back you up on homosexuality, but there are many who know that
people in Biblical times didn't undertand this just like they didn't understand
the evils of slavery and 2nd class citizenship of women.And by the way I
am a Christian (among many Christians) who believes this.
It ought to be taken into consideration that Christ then said, "go thy way and
sin no more". He didn't just sit there without calling the adulterous woman to
repentance. Nor did he say in that occasion, "come follow me". It was one
instance where he said, "go thy way" and "sin no more". In that sense it was a
warning to her and a direct commandment. Don't harp on your own people either
because you're one of them and you have just as much responsibility as anyone
else and just as much capacity as anyone else in your church to live by the
principles that you know to be right and that ultimately bring you the most
happiness. The church you belong to has handicapped people in it (spiritually
and physically). It has widows and people who are sick (spiritually and
physically). You and your church's members are imperfect beings in a perfect
organization with a perfect God who leads it. "As I have loved you, love one
another." Christ told the adulterous woman to "go thy way and sin no more"
because he loved her.
A little touchy arent you? People will disagree over a tic-tac-toe game, of
course theyll disagree about a subject this hot. Dont forget that the Savior
told the woman to go and sin no more. The scriptures are packed full with the
message of forsaking sin as well as love and mercy. Remember, you are the light
of the world, this is your chance to stand up and blaze not hunker down
underneath the bushel. Christ sent his apostles out into the world to preach
the gospel and call repentance and love, not acceptance, He never preached
acceptance of sin. How does standing up for the sacredness of marriage alienate
me from the body of Christ? You advocate the gospel yet you will not defend it
and even go so far as to turn it around and say we must embrace sin. We must be
reading from different Bibles. I dont advocate violence towards those who dont
agree with me. I dont want them silenced. Please dont infer, because I
disagree, that I hate.
I never said you have to sit and maintain silence, sit up and shout, thats what
makes America great, just keep in mind I have as much right. Me being Christian
does not force you to maintain silence. That idea is absurd as evident by your
rants. Inalienable rights and equality before God is a Christian notion, keep
that in mind when youre crying about squelching speech. Im not forcing any of
your rights away. I just dont think you should have special rights.As pointed out by an earlier post, the 50% divorce rate is a myth. The study
compared the number of marriages in one year to the number of divorces for the
same year. To use the number of divorces for couples who have been married for
numbers of years will skew your data. I cant post a URL but you can google it,
it wont take long. Michael Medved wrote an article about it as well as others.
Christians wont disappear and we outnumber you 100s to 1 so you
deal with it.
I may not be too comfortable with the policy, but I too am glad to see a
Politician follow through with a pre-election promise. And if the majority of
voters elected him then even better to see the local voice being heard. I can
respect that entirely.
Don't let this law bother you then. And may I suggest you get your statistics
right. 50% divorce rate is very real! It's interesting how people that don't
want to see the truth twist issues to meet their own phobias. I might also
suggest looking for help accepting the "real world". In it, we have a large
variety of people. This is not going to change (gay people and others aren't
going to disappear) and you should learn how to deal with it!
To Ing, You stated,"Why do so many people want a *secular*
government to do what they think God wants? The place where everyone agrees on
what God wants is a church congregation (or maybe Iran), not a democratic
republic".Maybe you missed God's teachings in regards of the free
agency that He had given you? Is that just hearsay, or is that something He had
endowed upon every creed on earth? Perhaps you're not happy with
God's decision to make men as a free agent, and you wish to fix God's mistake?
You stated, "Please dont try and guilt me into believing that being a Christian
and loving my neighbor requires me to meekly sit and maintain silence as you try
to force radical change to the community I live in."Huh! Yet
you being a "Christian" forces others who are not of your way of thinking to
meekly sit and maintain silence, and try to force away rights that our God given
and constitutinal rights in the community I live in. Who do you
think you are that you have feel you are required, and others don't????
The law of the bible states that, light attracts light, and darkness attracts
darkness. This law is not and will not deviate, no matter who you are, or what
one's beliefs maybe. Therefore, for those LDS members who are so
bigotted and indignantly self-righteous, are now coming to the fore on this
issue brought forth by Becker, then it's no wonder that the LDS church will
continue to attract the crap (or darkness) that belies and accompanies such
actions and attitudes. I am truly embarrased and ashamed that I
joined the LDS church, to be amongst those who would actually, gladly, and with
righteous contempt, throw that stone that Christ had offered to those who are
free of sin, even though, they would've lived the law to kill that woman
adulterer/prostitute.You may not literally throw a stone, but your
words and your ill willed hearts are just as damaging to the very Christ whom
you professed to follow. Remember, He felt the very pain you had
executed upon Him by your darkness within your mind. Christ said to
the woman,"Neither do I condemn thee".Are you HIGHER than Christ,
that you should condemn, when He does NOT?
My heart goes out to you. I dont think you need to feel this way. There are a
lot of good people in Utah along with some yahoos (on both sides). If I meet
you in the street, Id give you props and tip my hat. What you do on your own
time and in your house, I dont care too much about. My problem is that this
issue is now public and youre asking for my acceptance of a behavior that I
believe to be wrong. Much love to you from me, but I cant back down because
this issue is bigger than just us. Your neighbor in Christ.
Welcome to the "great and spacious building"...err I mean Salt Lake City.
Have you ever noticed when you read old writings you find things that people
used to be as "evil" or a "sin" can be common place today?There are many
things, but one of them has to do with equal rights for women. People thought
of women as lesser than a man and so they said the "God" made certain rules
about them.Why is it so hard to realize that gay people are in the same
type of situation? They were not understood for thousands of years so "God" made
rules in some writings. Some people don't undertand gay people still today so
they write about it warning others of the "evil" that is coming upon us.Sorry, your "prophecy" like this doesn't interest me or much of the world now.
Gay people will (and are)getting their rights like everybody else. Deal with it
and get yourself into the 21st century.
The Bible is not ambiguous in regards to the topic at hand. Eph. 5:5, 1 Timothy
1:10, Heb. 13:4, Revelations 21:8, 22:15, - The word adultery is not an
ambiguous word - it means what it means - "unclean" is not an ambiguous word.
Jesus Christ compared planting seeds to levels of heaven. Some fell by the
wayside, and were eaten by birds, others feel onto stone that didn't have enough
soil so they grew at first and then died because they 'had no root', others fell
into thorns that choked them. Some, however, fell into good ground and became
fruitfull. - - - Jesus compared the seed to his word and the soil to faith and
works. He explained the parable clearly. Mathew Chapter 13 can be read by
anyone and should be read. Hermeneutics is the study of the interpretation of
scripture, but the scriptures are very straight-forward, and some things are
simply put plainly and there is no ambiguity about them. I hope to all a good
day in doing what you know you need to do.
To "Skimmer": Good point about the democracy/republic distinction; but if you
really want to get technical, you should probably say we live in a
representative democracy, not just a republic. The rest of your post makes no
sense. If you think SLC is on its way to becoming one of the most wicked cities
in the world, you need to get out more (or maybe watch the news).To
"What?": You make a good point. I don't know that Becker is pandering to
anybody, but his proposal isn't likely to go anywhere if it's prohibited in the
state constitution, no matter how much sense it makes. Someone will challenge
it, the courts will rule according to the constitution, and lots of time and
money will be wasted.There's an amazing amount of nonsense in some
comments. "If we all became gay" and "I could be partners with my cat" and "God
says...." Becker's proposed ordinance won't make anyone gay who wasn't already.
Why do so many people want a *secular* government to do what they think God
wants? The place where everyone agrees on what God wants is a church
congregation (or maybe Iran), not a democratic republic.
That consider "plural marriage" the same issue of gay people wanting to committ.
IT IS NOT THE SAME. Plural marriage involved three or more people....it has a
whole set of different problems it has been shown to cause. There are some good,
kind people in I'm sure. But let's look at all the evidence that it causes hurt
for most women, abuse for some women and young girls, under-age marriages and
financial hardship! These are not the same issues we are talking about between
TWO consenting ADULTS.
Thanks, Mayor Becker! My husband and I are both thrilled that our choice for
mayor is already following through on an important campaign promise. We are so
happy for all of those this registry will help. I'm proud to be a Salt Laker
I don't agree with this stupid law so I'm a homophobe. I can disagree, stand up
for what I believe is right, and still show people respect. Please dont try and
guilt me into believing that being a Christian and loving my neighbor requires
me to meekly sit and maintain silence as you try to force radical change to the
community I live in.The 50% divorce rate is a myth that continues to
be passed around like a bad version of the flu. Traditional marriage is a
time-honored institution that has served our society well. Its not marriages
fault that some people cant live up to its ideals. Watering it down or
undermining it in any way has dire affects on a society, ask Scandinavia.The rights that this law grants can be easily accomplished with a decent
lawyer. This is another ruse to try and get me to accept homosexual unions. If
you want to be gay, cool, do your thing, but dont try and force me to accept it
or tell me that its your right. Today the Domestic Partner Registry, in five
years marriage. Time to draw a line in the sand and stand watch.
Why is it that no one seems to care that this whole proposal is
unconstitutional? You're all arguing about something that is never going to
happen because the Utah Constitution forbids it. Becker is just trying stir
things up and pander to his liberal base. You're just taking is bait and wasting
your breath (or key strokes anyhow).Utah Constitutional Amendment 3
to the Utah state constitution designed to define marriage in the state of Utah.
It passed in the November 2 2004 election.The amendment reads as
follows:1. Marriage consists only of the legal union between a man
and a woman.2. No other domestic union, however denominated, may be
recognized as a marriage or given the same or substantially equivalent legal
Just skimmed through 140 comments. Same arguments we hear all the time. Just a
couple thoughts in response to some of them. We live in a Republic,
not a democracy as someone stated above.Gays have just as much right
to marry as anyone else, just not other gays. A hetero male cannot marry
another male, why should a homo male? In fact, a single homo male has more
right to marry than a married hetero male, since the latter is already married
he can't marry again.Just glad for amendment 3.I sort of
remember rumors of early LDS church leaders prophecying that SLC would become
one of the most wicked cities in the world; looks like that prophecy is well on
its way to being fulfilled.
As an active memeber of the LDS Church I for one welcome this
domestic-partnership registry. I whole heartedly agree that marriage should be
between one man and one woman, but I beleive that everybody who is a consenting
adult that wants to be commited to each other should have the basic rights that
this registry is referring to, ie medical benifits, hospital visitation, medical
coverage etc. Wake up Utah you need to love your neighbor as yourself be kind
to each other, if you follow what President Hinkley is trying to teach us in his
book "Standing up for Something" you would all learn to quietly stand up for
your beliefs, but also respect other people for having different beliefs and
lifestyles. We would all do well both mormon and non-mormon to respect each
I live in Chicago and own a vacation place in Deer Valley so I visit Utah pretty
often. I never understood why Mormons are so primitive in their views of women,
gays and minorities. I think the LDS Church is intentionally creating fear of
difference so folks keep tithing.Wake up Utah, it's the 21st
century. Or do you enjoy LDS being a national joke forever?
What I get a kick out of is those individuals who want to be both gay and
Christian. If they can pull that off I think that would be the newest, hippest
thing to be. yay
First, thank-you Jtandaj for your endorsement of the LDS community as
Christians. We all appreciate that.Second, why are you naming them as the
outspoken group bad-mouthing Mayor Becker and this proposal? Are they an easy
target for you, or do you have your own prejudices that need to be considered?
I've noticed that many of the comments read here come from those outside of Utah
who have no affiliation to the state or this "bigoted religion" of which you
I am not a bigot - I am a law abiding citizen. Marriage is a God given right
between a man and a woman. Homosexuals, Polygamists, etc. are breaking the law.
They will try to place blame on those who uphold the law because they know in
their hearts they are breaking the law and cannot/don't want to admit it. THey
will use every excuse in the book to promote their unlawful way of living. They
were not born that way - they made a choice to live that way - wrong choices
This works for elderly cousins, too, who have lost their spouses and need to
live together in order to survive on limited incomes!!! Yea!
Compare the responses here to those responding to Robinson's "Duck if You're
Mormon" article elsewhere on this site. The hypocrisy of the LDS
community, which only objects to bigotry when it is directed against Mormons,
helps explain why LDS are the most despised group in America.
As a faithful member of the LDS church all I can say is there are some real
knuckle heads allowed to post there substanially bigoted views on here. Also if
the state constitutional ammendment cited towards the top actually got passed I
can say with certainty that it will at some point be deemed unconsitutional
based on the merits that the founding fathers never intended for the rights of
any individuals to be trampled on purely due to their sexual orientation.To actually believe that just because someone chooses a life style not
in line in with the teachings of Christ should somehow make them ineligible for
certain earthly things is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. But
hey whatever, I hope you all enjoy explaining to your creator why you not only
hated the sin but also chose to hate the sinner as well.
Ralph always told his audiences that advancing human rights and seeking social
justice was a top priority. He also made it clear that this was something he
would do as soon as he was elected.We, the people, knew this and
voted accordingly. Salt Lakers should feel terrific knowing we are a
unique, closely knit and diverse group, working together to heal and repair our
city. Once again it feels good to live here. Thanks to all of you who voted for
Ralph, and to Ralph for keeping his promise.
The definition of Bigotry is " stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed,
belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. "Is it wrong to be a
bigot? Not if your bigotry is in line with positive law and NATURAL LAW. Truly rational humans have come to the understanding that there are
absolutes in life. I know there is absolute good and there is absolute evil. Our
actions either lean toward one or the other. If it wrong to be a bigot then
toward an action which you know to be wrong? I am not expressing
that we should be un-neighborly to those who choose poorly, but I certain do not
believe we should cheerfully accept such behavior as normal or something we want
in society. I suppose someone will argue there is no God and hence
no absolutes, but if you truly understood the complexity of the solar system and
life then you would have to at least accept a SUPREME BEING of absolutism. Plato, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Voltaire, and many men more
intelligent than I rationally believed in God. Is your unbelief more logically
founded than thier belief? Prove it. Amen for ammendement
If homosexuals want to be able to marry and have the same rights as hetrosexuals
then we need to give a voice to those who want to practice "plural marriage".
They aren't hurting anybody. They have chosen, just as gay people, to live that
lifestyle. If a woman or a man wants to enter into a healthy, loving
relationship with more than one partner, what right do we have to take that away
from them? If we are going to go against the natural way then everyone should
have the right to live the lifestyle they choose.
Jason, you are a beacon of what a true LDS and god fearing person should
believe.That regardless of god, people are equal. I wish your fellow
members and other bigoted individuals could recognize the double standards they
live in and open their eyes to the reality of this situation. Nothing has been
done to them by this, only a step toward treating humans, well, as such.
I can't believe the bigotry. I can't believe people consider being homosexual as
a struggle. I can't believe that you were willing to put STD's, your tax
dollars, and homosexual in the same sentence. What a sad world in
utah, and elsewhere, that all beautiful people on this planet must abide by your
god- elicited in a book poorly written thousands of years ago.I can
count on my evolved fingers the double standards here:first and foremost,
the god mentioned in the "bible" and "book of mormon" loves all of his sheep.second, no sin is greater than another other than murder (how many sins have
you repented for today)third, this country is based on freedom; especially
freedom of religion, which means god or no god.today is bittersweet.
People in SLC are gaining necessary steps towards being treated equally- People
are hateful, spiteful, and bigoted towards a group of people that has absolutely
NOTHING to harm them. self righteousness and hate is alive and well
I am both shocked and astonished that this back biting bigotry has been allowed
to continue. The DMN claims these comments are monitored for abusive and
offensive content. I fail to see how a good deal of the comments above have not
fallen into that category. I am truly sad that we in the LDS
community are so poorly representing ourselves here. Whatever belief one or
another of us hold should not in turn deny basic rights to others because they
believe differently. For as much as we would like the stereotypes of our
religion to be looked passed and for people to truly understand who we are and
respect us for our beliefs, we too quickly jump to stereotype, ostracize, and
berate those around us whom are different.
i dont think that speaking i'll of the homosexual community helps. i am not of
homosexual orientation, but i cannot help but feel sad for for the homosexual
human beings that are reading this. the hatred that some of you have portrayed
in your comments, i hope that those of you speaking i'll of the gay community
are not associated with the lds church, are you? love thy neighbor as thyself.
-jason, a member of the church of jesus christ of laterday
Finally! Dumbledore can apparate in SLC with Larry Craig through the port key
in the City & County building's restroom and be registered!
Ok, yes, there are more pressing issues in our state. Unfortunately, most of
those issues are left to the legislature to resolve. And of course, they are
more concerned with repressing homosexuals and ensuring that people can carry
guns on campus. Ensuring equal rights for the people of this great city is one
of the many reasons that I voted for Mayor Becker. THANK YOU!!!!
1st: HUH??!!??2nd: No, I'm not, but do you have to fork out your hard
earned dough for mine? That's what this is really about!
I know a woman: and she has a new man married to her every 2 years and this has
been going on for years. I don't want this life style around my kids.
I agree whole heartedly! Do whatever you want behind closed doors, but don't
take away my tax dollars to fund it! Insurance rates were high enough without
Concerned: Don't worry; even gay people are smart enough to figure out the
arduous and complicated process by which babies are conceived. If,
as you fear, Salt Lake City's domestic-partner registry turns everybody into
homosexuals and causes Utah's fertility rate to plummet to dangerous levels,
there are ways we could cope.
Hurry, LDS church and build those high rise apts downtown. When they are
completed, we will have classy people living downtown once again. Maybe we can
take the Capital City back and clean things up.I know a gay man and
he has a new man living with him about every 6 months and this has been going on
for years. I don't want this life style around my kids.
Maybe SLC can find a good handbasket.
Amen Concerned.By the way, I'm quite interested in entering into a
domestic partnership with my cat. She has a warm personality but can't pay for
her own health care. (no opposable thumbs you see).Do you think there is
anyway I can lobby for some benefits. It's only natural don't you think? We
deserve it. Two consenting creatures like us. Sure it's technically not a
biological match, but I didn't have a choice in how I fell in love! (and, also I
can't afford a vet).Thanks.Also I think I am a wonderful example for
children. Im sure there are many out there who are like me and were confused and
awkward growing up (like every adolecent) and could be easily persuaded that
they are diffenent, and diverse. Like me!Awesome.
Sure, I accept that there are those who want to choose a certain lifestyle.
Fine. But why do my taxes always have to fund that? Was there a vote? Heck
no! It'd never pass!
He that is free of sin, let him throw the first judgment. There are
many of you who think you are so righteous when in the eyes of others, yet,
behind closed doors, the Lord knows your sins, which He paid with His sweat of
blood? Which of you who thinks you are so clean and pure, yet your
hearts are darkened with stains of sins that He felt your sins when nails were
hammered to His hands and feet?Which of you, who the world never
sees your wrong doings, yet, your real colors have been known by the Lord all
along when He had to plead, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they
do". Do you have a forgiving heart, if these "sinners" have offended
you? Do you have a loving soul, if these sinners have wronged you? Do you only love those who love you? Did Christ love you because
you are not a sinner? Did He die for you because you had obeyed Him?
Had you lived all that He commanded you?Is this who you
think Christ wanted you to think and feel to "sinners"? Are YOU free
They said that Becker was the only one that wouldn't be controlled by the LDS
church, but which candidates won't be controlled by the ACLU?
Promoting gay marriage (I know this is not actually gay marriage but we all know
it is an obvious first step in that direction) will hopefully help decrease
overpopulation in the state. And, such a couple's inability to have offspring
likewise bodes well for the future of the state. You go Avenues!
I'm still waiting for the punch line to this joke.
Stupid hurts. SLC didn't learn from Rocky and now the hurt is going to be in
morals and the pocketbook.
I love how people throw around the word "homophobe" as if it were a fear. I
don't fear homosexuals. It's just wrong on so many levels. Must have been a
homosexual that coined the term to feel better.
Mormons are a peculiar people: One day complaining about being a second-class
citizen, the next day forcing a group they hate to be second-class citizens.
Isn't there a parable in the bible about that?
The Bible is misquoted (love one another) in defense of supporting
homosexuality. Loving someone doesn't mean supporting their
lifestyle if one doesn't agree with it. As someone with homosexual tendencies,
I can love heterosexuals by being kind even though I don't live their
livestyle.Nevertheless, I can see that society must promote that
which is life giving for it to go on. History, nature, and the design of the
human body suggest that homosexuality is not the way to go for survival into the
future. Therefore, one can conclude that putting one's desires second to that
which is best for the future of all is the wise thing to do. That is why I
disagree with governments that support homosexual lifestlyes by allowing them
the same support as lifegivers. I can still ride on the same bus and compete
for jobs and vote along with everyone else because my rights are already
protected by the constitution. Just because the government doesn't recognize my
lifestyle the same as marriage, doesn't mean I am less or have less rights. I'm
not married in the way that would promote life and the future as a whole, so why
should I selfishly ask more?
Thank you for the Words from the Proclamation on the family. As we vacilate
back and forth from different ideas, perspectives, and ideologies, this rings
loud and clear what the truth is, and concequences of our actions. It is
amazing how plain and simple the Lord's words are in comparison to the
philosophies of the world. I hope that my family will live in a community that
reflects these values.
If I marry my dog should I take it to AltaView when it has a baby? Does it now
have a C-section option? How do I divorce my dog to marry my cat or is it
necessary?Rocky II is what this is. What is the estimate when he
will completely stop working and start protesting? 2 months, 1year? any takers?
To My Two Cents!Give me a break! The only reason 2 people are
together is to produce? Sure! What color is the sky in your world? My
partner and I are home owners, live in downtown SLC, support the arts etc and
vote! Go live in your own little piece of Utah that is so conformable and safe
for you. Leave the Salt Lake people alone!
In response to your quote:"It doesn't matter that it won't hurt the
institution of marriage or that your neighbor is a good neighbor. Why should our
tax money be used to pay benefits for someone's gay partner of the month?
There's nothing prohibiting them from getting their own job with benefits. They
aren't staying home to raise a family."The reason why is
because gay's partner tax money is used to pay benefits to your divorces, your
domestic abuses, and your child's schooling. After all, they don't have kids,
why are they paying for yours?
How would it be to belong to a movement or a society that the vary nature of it
is in a self-destruct mode. If we all became homosexuals and didn't reproduce we
would eventually become extinct.
The family unit is the basic unit of society. Society has an interest in the
family. For thousands of years what formed the basic building block of society?
THE FAMILY! From families we have neighborhoods. From neighborhoods we have
villages, towns cities. From Cities we have a state and from many states a
NATION. Any law that does not encourage society to propogate itself ( have
children) in not in the interest of society. This is why most states ban
abortion after a certain time because THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PERSERVING LIFE.
Deviant behavior such as homosexuality should not be supported in anyway because
it does not stand for the propograting of human life.But that having
been said.... GOD CALLED IT ABOMINABLE BEHAVIOR. We can not support such
behavior or anything like unto it. This nation will tremble and crumble some day
and the lack of morality in all faucets of life will be one of the reasons why
we will be thus smitten. All you of you who doubt will believe when you see the
misery of which I speak.
Hmmm... Interesting that this conflicts with a state law prohibiting such
things. Sounds like this could be a mess. Certainly it's got people fired up.
However, I think it's a reasonable idea on its own merits. Here in
Washington state where I live, domestic partners have benefits and such, but
heterosexual couples aren't allowed to have domestic partner benefits--it's only
for same-sex partnerships, which I think is just wrong, because it denies
society's benefits to one group based on sexual orientation.At least
Becker's proposal applies equally to everybody. I've gone back and forth on the
issue of domestic partnerships and same-sex legal unions (or marriage, call it
what you will) for a while, but I've decided it's a good thing. The
freedom of religion guaranteed in the US Constitution means that any legitimate
religion can marry who they want, how they want, or deny their rites to anyone
if they want, so it doesn't take away the goodness of an LDS temple marriage, or
anyone's marriage. Equal protection and benefits under the law,
that's what it's really about.
HEY SUBURBS! We are a liberal city with liberal values and will always elect
liberal leaders. Get used to it.
Sorry that as a young man you were approached by people that were not nice. But
this can happen to heterosexuals as well as homosexuals (by each other). You
are confusing one way of life by certain people's behavior and that is sad. If I
was hurt by someone with certain characteristics I might tend to be cautious of
others with those same characteristics, but that isn't reasonable or fair. I personally have gay friends. I am not gay myself, but I love them for their
personalities and not for their sexual orientation.Nobody has "forced" the
Psychiatric Association or anyone else to come up with their findings. And God
loves all the same (despite what some religions and some books thousands of
years old tells you) You need to get help for your bigotry and hatred.
I'll let God decide between right and wrong but my vote would be no on this
topic. My belief is that this is wrong and I too have a right to my beliefs.Note that I have done no name calling. Please don't call me names. A
"Homophobic" would be defined as one with a fear of homosexuals. I do not fear
them, I disagree with their behavior. That is my right also.
Marriage is a religious institution, as it should be. In the eyes of God... To
declare a domestic partner for purposes of hospital visitation, insurance,
declaring publicly that two people are committed financially to one another has
zero to do with marriage. Doesn't denigrade my marriage. If it denigrades
yours, I am sorry for you.
"Just a thought" was simply making an analogy! Merry Christmas!
To Just a thought: If people think marriage is about nothing more than putting
pegs in holes then the institution is in deep trouble indeed.
Square peg, round hole doesn't work. However, you can reshape things to make it
work. You can't make a square peg and a square peg work ever, or two round
What about the rights of a child to have a Mother and a Father?
What is it like to be so right all the time.To be born in the right
countryTo be born at the right timeTo be born to the right familyTo be born with the right sexual orientationTo be born in the one true
churchWhat luck so many of claim over the rest of the world, yet you
complain and whine like you are underpriviledged children, that can only think
of preserving their perfect idolized world.
The Proclamation on the Family should put all arguments to rest once and for all
that the LDS Church does not involve itself in politics.
I'd rather live by gay neighbors than homophobe bigots that make themselves
known on this board.Weren't most of you whining yesterday in the
comments section of "mormons duck" about you were being persecuted and made to
be second class citizens? Aren't those saying those things about you using the
bible also to come to their "moral" conclusions. They fear you, you fear gays.
Perfect love casteth out all fear. Love one another.
to "so sad" is sad his or herself! We shouldn't compare apples to oranges.
Loving someone (no matter what gender) is not a choice. Someone can choose to
be celibate ...that is true. But when you say that something is a "sin" when you
yourself can love (and consumate that love) with someone of the opposite sex
(and not have it a sin) is hypocritical!
If you build a car that goes forward when it is in reverse, and goes in reverse
when it is in drive, is it the cars fault or the makers fault? If being gay is
a genetic/metal defect, is it the persons fault or the makers fault? Should we
blame the maker for the default? because the person didn't chose to have this
Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is
central to the Creators plan for the eternal destiny of His children.All human beingsmale and femaleare created in the image of God. Each is a
beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a
divine nature and destiny.We warn that individuals who violate
covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill
family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we
warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals,
communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.
We call upon responsible citizens (YOU and I) and officers of
government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and
strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.The LDS
Church website has wonderful resources to help anyone struggling with
Everyone needs to remember that America, its separate States and every community
are bound by the principles of democracy. Theocracy is the antithesis of
democracy... evidenced by the history of the three great monotheistic religions
(judaism, christianity and Islam). America is a DEMOCRACY, not a theocracy
(though many evangelicals try to have us believe otherwise), therefore the issue
of domestic partnerships vs marriages is a purely secular issue that have
NOTHING to do with religion or personal belief!Where the law is
concerned in or democracy, marriage has nothing to do with religion per se,' but
has everything to do with a principle called the rule of 'contract.'
Interesting! Partnerships, whether business or coupling, are also 'contracts.'
The courts actually approach a marriage divorce as a partnership (i.e. division
of property (real and personal) and income (i.e. alimony) issues), with the
exception of children custody issues. Domestic partnerships that end in
'divorce' would simply be handled in a manner akin to a business partnership
division of property and income factors, etc.Why a secular
democracy? Because it's the only social contract with its citizenry that
upholds America's Bill of Rights - that defined individual rights under our
It the registry Equal Rights? or is the registry catering to a genetic/mental
To Please Explain III, who wrote: "If I were gay, I'd want my neighbor to tell
me to repent."No, you wouldn't. Believe me, you really wouldn't.
Please, save your breath.
You can love someone without being gay. Love isn't something that gratifies
itself - it's something that gives. Intimate love between a husband and wife is
healthy for them. I know a man who was married in a heterosexual relationship
but lived a private life of homosexuality. He has done unspeakable amounts of
damage to his wife. Pain isn't exclusive to anyone whether they're homosexual
or heterosexual. Infidelity happens to heterosexuals. Children have a right to
be raised and fed and provided for and nourished and nurtured and loved by a
mother and a father. "Low morals hurt us the same way high morals improve a
society". I couldn't agree more. If you have gay problems, get help, or help
yourself and get out of that world. It's not the right world to be in. The
great thing is that you can change your life for the better. We all can, and
the mayor has too much spare time on his hands to be dealving into these issues.
There are issues of far greater importance to this state that deserve and
require MUCH MORE attention.
I've got no problems with the proposal, but aren't there more pressing matters
What happens when heterosexual couples break up? Sadness. What makes you think
that other couples would be any different? Why does that matter?Gay people
who want to live with someone already do so. It just makes sense that they have
other rights like the rest of us.It is interesting how people try and use
their non-understanding of issues to compare them to incomparable things. For
instance: Some time ago I read a comment from someone who compared marrying his
or her dog or marrying multiple partners to marrying a gay person. Well, my
answer to this is: We are talking about PEOPLE, we are talking about TWO. Hope
this clears things up!
We should immediately recognize that low morals hurt us the same way high morals
improve a society.Let's wake up and smell the hot cocoa.
HURRAH MAYOR BECKER!!!
It makes me so sad to know that I live around so many people that hate me for
something that doesn't even concearn them. Love is love no matter which way you
swing it. I am a human being and I have the right to love whoever I want and I
also deserve the right to have the same "privelages" as others! This is a
wonderful move by mayor Becker! He is showing that humans, no matter, gay or
straight or black or white or catholic or mormon deserve to be treated like
human beings. For all of you who don't understand, this is a sad sad day for
Hypocrite is a person who tells somebody to do something that they themselves
are guilty of. "Love thy neighbor" is what you were trying to say. The actual
words that you were quoting are translated as "love thy neighbor as thyself".
I'm not gay. If I were gay, I'd want my neighbor to tell me to repent.
If God was willing to send she-bears to kill kids for making fun of a prophets
bald head, the gay people are in trouble!!!
I always knew that Becker was a gay man, now he shows it. It was the gays who
voted for him and now he pays them back. What a sick society.
Different mayor, same polarizing influence. Perhaps we should put class sizes
before social engineering.
Calling people in Provo zoobies doesn't make somebody a hypocrit. Somebody
would be a hypocrit if they said gays should get benefits, but zoobies
Regaurdless if this passes or not it should be a red flag!Homosexuality is a bad thing. God lives and he condemns this and all other
sin. Whether people choose to obey him or not does not change the fact that it
is wrong and should be stopped by the individual.How has praying in
public schools become illegal while sexual perversion is accepted?
People don't take a stand. There needs to be more speaking openly of
the things of God, boldly and in the Spirit of love. More men need to take a
stand protect thier families from the evils of our day, and yes. Homosexuality
is evil. The good thing is that people can abandon homosexuality, and through
Jesus Christ become clean from this act. If we really are "one
nation under God" why are their so many who reject his plain and precios
How does calling people in Provo zoobies make somebody a hypocrit. The question
in the original post was would you rather live by a gay couple or the zoobies in
provo? Is zoobies an offensive term? Not PC?If the
person said, "zoobies shouldn't be allowed to x, y, or z because they are
zoobies" that would be hypocritical. Calling somebody a zoobie doesn't make
somebody a hypocrit. Calling a homosexual gay doesn't make somebody a hypocrit?
Two questions come to mind:1st: Is there a limit to the number of domestic
partnerships that one person can enter into? (The FLDS just might like to move
their head quaters to Salt Lake depending on the answer...)2nd: Is
there a minimum age required for a person to enter into a "Domestic
Partnership"? If not, Warren Jeff's might like to move his appeal's trial to
Salt Lake... ;(SARCASM INTENDED....
So, a couple of questions come to mind...1st: Is there a limit to
the number of "domestic partnerships" one person can enter into? (The FLDS
might like this idea and move from Southern Utah to Salt Lake.)2nd:
Is there a minimum "age of consent" for someone to enter into a "domestic
partnership"? (Warren Jeff's might be interested in that)...SARCASM
You missed the fact that Becker won by a LANDSLIDE because he is a LIBERAL, the
residents of SLC are not held hostage- are politically active and that's exactly
why Becker won. Like it or not he represents the MAJORITY of SLC residents!
unlike it's neighboring cities, SLC is not CONSERVATIVE!Thanks again Mayor
Does this violate the Utah Constitution's rule that marriage is only between one
man and one woman. I realize that they aren't getting "married." But I
You're the person who dubbed the folks in Provo "zoobies" in the first place
hypocrit. And yes I do consider that a sin and if you don't believe there is
such a thing as a sin that you believe there is no evil and if you believe there
is no evil then there is no good and if you believe these things then you have
absolutely no moral compass to live by. My heart goes out to those who struggle
with same gender attraction as does my heart go out to any struggler. My heart
goes out to alcoholics and drug addicts but I think there should be laws that
help them change. My heart even goes out to the people in Provo who you called
'zoobies' - - imagine that - -
Where do these Mayors come from and why do they keep coming to Salt Lake City?
Excellent point Joe on the silent majority in Salt Lake City that ensured this
would happen. A vocal minority is more powerful that a silent majority. It is
time for the residents of Salt Lake City to wake up. You don't have to be held
hostage to liberal idealogues, looking for photo opporunities or praise for
their "courage" and "vision." This ordinance does not represent the views or
values of a majority of the residents of this state, LDS or not. It is time to
stand up against the insanity!No single person, no matter what his
or her title, or how important he is, should be able to unilaterally redefine
the institution of marriage. That is exactly what this ordinance is designed to
do. Anyone that tells you differently is selling you something. Right now Mr.
Becker's idea is to simply establish a registry. The next step will be to try
to force businesses and organizations to offer benefits to those who are a part
of the registry.
MANY OF THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT "DONT WANT TO BE TIED
DOWN". THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ALLOWED BY LAW TO MARRY, BUT ARE NOW GIVEN AT
LEAST SOME OF THE OPPORUNITYS WE ARE GIVEN JUST FOR BEING "STRAIGHT". AND
HOMOPHOBES ARE NOT ALL MORMONS. THERE ARE SOME REALLY WONDERFUL LDS PEOPLE OUT
THERE. THE HOMOPHOBES ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST NEED SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TO HATE. TO
SAY ALL MORMONS ARE HATERS IS THE SAME AS SAYING ALL GAYS ARE BAD. THERE ARE
CLOSED MINDED INDIVIDUALS IN EVERY GROUP. THANKS FOR GIVING ALL UNWED COUPLES,
GAY OR STRAIGHT, A CHANCE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A COUPLE.
If the purpose is to make this equal to marriage, that's fine by me, but,
partnerships should also have the right to pay the marriage penalty with their
taxes, pay a fee to the government for their union, and have to wait a year for
a finalized 'separation' just like us married folks...
If people really are concerned that the domestic partnership registry will be
abused by unscrupulous heterosexuals, then allowing gays to marry ought to solve
the problem.After all, marriage laws are never abused by
unscrupulous people for the sake of, oh, say, health benefits or citizenship.
This is DOA -- the state legislature will shut it down in a flash. Chill
people, one proposal does not a Rocky II make.
How does having gays in the neighborhood confuse? Are you confused about
whether you are gay?Gay people are also the people in the
constitution and are entitled to pursue happiness. There are a lot worse ways
to spend our tax money then on domestic partner's health benefits. Hiding your bigotry behind straw man arguments doesn't work. Love they
brother. Love the sinner (or what you consider to be a sinner).
To the Slilent Majority Residents of Salt Lake City......You are getting what
you did not vote against in November! Good for you!
No one said anything bad about having gay couples around. The problem is giving
them unconstitutional rights. Marriage is between a man and a woman according
to the Utah constitution. Gay people are normally good clean neighbors but they
do not deserve any legal rights any more than if I wanted to marry my cousin or
dog or another wife. If you include one, you need to include all. Oh and by
the way 50% of marriages don't fail. That rate is determined by the number of
yearly marriages divided by the number of yearly divorces. Those divorces
include the people that were married all those other years. The real divorce
rate is closer to 15% (which still isn't good) ciao!
Go to San Francisco or live with it and be happy about it. If you don't like
being surrounded by Hindus, don't move to India. Yes, having gay neighbors
would be disruptive - it confuses, and especially in this case, it's not right
that there be benefits. I don't want my tax $'s going to something like that -
period -. I'm "the people" our constitution speaks of and 'benefits' in this
case are entirely un-necessary. Otherwise it's another great way that our
government vomits our tax $'s into society.
So, it has been ruined for everybody else. This can be abused to where anything
goes. Polygamous relationships should register and so should everybody else who
wants the advantages of being married. So, where is the limit? They need to keep
the age of consent at least. I am a strong supporter of that. Even if all else
appears to be eroding, age of consent laws should get stricter or at least stay
the same. We are becoming like Europe. I lived there for years because my father
worked abroad for the government most of my life.
What a great day in SLC. Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO
MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DON't listen to the LDS religious
Woo-hooo! This is the first step back towards legalized polygamy in Utah. And
it's about itme too. This time we'll just call them "domestic partnerships" or
some other such non-offensive title instead of "plural marriages" and we can all
circumvent the bounds of decency and civilized behavior. Way to go gay dudes
and dudettes. Lead the way. Gotta love slippery slopes, eh?
First it is domestic partnerships. Next, it is multiple partners. Before you
know it, people will be marrying animals. Oh the humanity.When
explaining why domestic partnerships are a bad thing, using a slippery slope
argument is pretty ridiculous.
I ask the same question, what happens when they "break up"? A. to the comment
suggesting, "just because you believe something doesn't make it true for
everyone else!" - - - truth is all things past, present and future as they were,
are and will be - - - truth is independant of any other force and stands on its
own, and it is eternal and it was eternal and it always will be eternal. I'm
not too hip on this whole idea that there's benefits for "domestic partnerships"
and not sure exactly what that even means. I'm actually sure it's a cover up
phrasing for other things, but would submit that there's no 'benefits' for
heterosexual boyfriends and girlfriends etc. and I don't think there should be.
WE are doing fine up here in SLC thank you very much. If you don't like it, stay
down in Utah County. We would all be happier...
It doesn't matter that it won't hurt the institution of marriage or that your
neighbor is a good neighbor. Why should our tax money be used to pay benefits
for someone's gay partner of the month? There's nothing prohibiting them from
getting their own job with benefits. They aren't staying home to raise a
There are several issues I would like clarified:1.) How long does
someone date before they are allowed to become a "partner"?2.) How many
"partners" can you have in a year?3.) Do non-married heterosexual
relationships qualify for "partnership"?I can see people jumping
from partnership to partnership to in order to qualify for these benefits.
Homophiles compared to pedophiles? That makes me sick. What is wrong with
making sure 2 consenting adult HUMAN BEINGS and FELLOW AMERICANS are afforded
their rights? I may not agree with their lifestyles, but they have every right
to live them, just like I have every right to live mine. I'm grateful to live
in a city where the mayor isn't afraid to do the right thing, even though he
knows it might not be popular with everyone.
Becker's move is proof positive for all the Mormon haters out there (the real
reason Pebble Andersen got elected) that the LDS church really runs SLC!
Does rape equate to love? It does by your comparison. Pedophilia actually
equates with abuse and rape! It DOES NOT equate to homosexuality. You should
study and get your facts straight and try and change your about your fellow
man.Sure, you have your Bible to back you up. But haven't we learned
anything about mental illness, slavery, rights of people in the last few
thousand years? I hope so. Many ways of life in the Bible are sorely outdated
and so are you.
I know I don't have all the answers and we will all disagree on certain things,
but if the registry makes it easier and beneficial to do something that is wrong
then I think the registry is wrong. It's not about hate or equality, it's about
right and wrong and if you take God out of the equation then how do you know
what's right or wrong.
hey What's Next!I will tell you whats next.With any luck humanity
will work free of the opression applied by our superstition. Hopefully we will
see past the veil and realize that our morality comes from our inteligence (not
a book written by uneducated people). When this happens, ALL people will be
givien the respect they deserve. As more groups gain the rights they deserve we
will see them for what they are. HUMANS! just like you and me
It will be interesting to see what defines the boundries of the partnership.
How long must the petitioning party have been together, proof of common welfare
etc. Without clear defining guidelines abuse will be rampant. I agree that
this is different than civil unions or marrage however the mayor is opening a
can of worms.
Why is this a bad thing? How does having gay couples in your neighborhood hurt?
Is being gay contagious? Are you affraid your kids will become gay if you have
gay neighbors? Isn't a little diversity a good thing?Is this the
worst thing to ever happen to Salt Lake? Wouldn't you rather live by a gay
couple than be surrounded by zoobies in provo?It is not like gay
couples make out on their front lawns.
SLC WILL SOON BE BORDER TO BORDER GAYBORHOOD !!!IT WILL BE A GREAT PLACE
TO LIVE.THANKS MAYOR BECKER.
Hey I've got a first stone over here for you if you would like to cast it.
What a bigoted law. Why limit it to one person. What if you want 2 or 3?
Shouldn't you have the same right? If you're going to be open and accepting like
this, why include that artifical restriction?
Believe it or not, there is a sizeable gay community in S.L. NewsWeek recently
ran an article ranking it 14th in size in the nation. This will make a
difference for a lot of people. It's taking time, but gay relationships are
making progress and will continue to do so.
This will cost the city $$$ paying benefits to those unwilling to enter into
legally binding relationships. I would suspect it would also run afoul of
amendment 3. As has been said above, the legislature will probably act to
negate this, so it's all window dressing so Becker can pay some political IOUs.
This hurts the institution of marriage by extending rights to those who are not
married, thus weakening the legal precedents that protect family and family
members. This hurts society by diluting protections and rights and incentives
of the basic societal institution of the family. This hurts my marriage by
diluting its meaning in the eyes of the law.This is all politics.
It has nothing to do with real caring about people or society.
Congratulations SLC for dumping one loser mayor and replacing him with another.
Another reason to avoid SLC. Marriage is under attack by Mayors like this.
Sodom and Gamora was destroyed due to homosexuality. God Made man and woman for
If there is nothing fundamental to the union of one man and one woman, what's
fundamental about 2 people? or people over 18? or even people at all? Why not 3
or 4 people? Why not 16 or 17 year olds? Why not your dog? The thing has to
be based on some sort of principle. Personally, I think government should just
get out of the marriage/union business and let all people take care of it
through their religion if they desire and then through legal agreements.
Whoever you want to co-own the property, just put all the names on the deed,
bank account, etc. Whoever you want to see you in the hospital or make health
care choices, put it in your living will. The courts will decide all the rest
anyway, even if you are married. The whole concept of marriage and having
children has become a complete joke in much of our society. Unfortunately, the
joke will be on us!
Regular marriages (that are in trouble) 50% of the time? People that want to be
committed to one another only helps to show support of marriage! It shouldn't
matter that they are the same gender. And before someone gets started with the
more recent discussion of polygamy (plural marriage) being compared to gay
marriage, let's make something clear:Marriage between two people is very
different than marriage between one man and a number of women! (Or the much less
common form of one woman with a number of men.)This issue causes a whole
set of other problems. The reason that they like to try and compare it is that
they are jumping at the chance to find an excuse for their type of lifestyle.TWO people wanting to committ to one another is totally different than more
Didn't we all just pass a Utah constitutional amendment prohibiting domestic
unions? Isn't this giving "the same or substantially equivalent legal effect"?
Sounds unconstitutional to me.Utah Constitutional Amendment 3 to the
Utah state constitution designed to define marriage in the state of Utah. It
passed in the November 2 2004 election.The amendment reads as
follows: 1. Marriage consists only of the legal union between a
man and a woman. 2. No other domestic union, however denominated, may be
recognized as a marriage or given the same or substantially equivalent legal
You can fix up your house all you want. If your neighbors house is a piece of
junk your property value will go down. So, having gay couples move into your
neighborhood and fixing up houses might be easier than you fixing up your house.
By not having to fix up your house, you can spend more time feeling like you
are better than other people.
good luck S.L. You and all your children will need it with the Great leadership
you have in government.
I love Christians. Love thy neighbor (as long as they are exactly like me, and
belong to the same meaningless club). I am so glad that only half the mormons in
this state are this bigoted. JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIVE SOMETHING DOESNT MAKE
IT TRUE FOR EVERYONE!
What will happen if a bunch of homophobes get their hands on the names in that
Come on...Rocky II? Let's have a little common sense and compassion. I am as
big of a Rocky opponent as there is, but Mr. Becker did what he promised, and
while I may not be a proponent of gay marriage a domestic partner registry is a
very fair compromise. It gives the relationships an opportunity to have
structure, legitimacy and obligation to each other. I don't see that as a bad
thing, and don't tell me about the frog in the boiling water. I did not vote
for Mr. Becker, but I do admire people that do what they say, especially if they
are a politician.
Progressive? This has nothing to do with being progressive. What this does is
makes Salt Lake take another step back. Instead of thinking of the community as
a whole, all this does is pacify a few individuals and their selfish sexual
desires. It's sad to think that Salt Lake has at least 4 more year of this.
Good luck... You guys voted him in. Now you get to live with your
What a great day to be a Salt Laker. To everyone else: If this
registry dooms your marriage, it was already doomed.
This will be interesting, I will be watching. I like to see a good fight.
You've got to be kidding.
I would prefer to have a domestic partner for the rest of my life, We have been
together for over 13 years and the marriage i was previously in only lasted
approximately a year and a half and for most of that time he was sleeping with
the neighbor. So as you can tell he had no consideration for our marriage.
I'm sure that there will be issues with people abusing the system, most likely
heterosexuals and not gay couples, but hopefully the good from it will outweigh
I really appreciate having a mayor who understands that being progressive
doesn't mean being obnoxious. Mayor Becker should be commended for showing
compassion and understanding and making a practical difference in the lives of
so many people.
Thank you Becker. Thank you Salt Lake City.
What a sad day in Salt Lake City. Too bad we have 4 more years of Rocky 2!
and this hurts your marriage how?
All local governments are creatures of the State. What the State grants it can
take away. Watch the State Legislature move to strip local governments of the
ability to create these registries. Becker is aware of this since he spent many
years on the Hill. But he will be able to say that he tried.
This is a GREAT DAY for Salt Lake City. Thanks Mayor.
Well it looks like Rocky the II has begun his reign.
You must be a beneficiary of the domestic partnership registry
It's not about rights, since homosexual unions are wrong. It's about sucking up
so a special interest group. Again, another politician got it
Sorry but this hurts the institution of marriage, which is already in trouble.
What happens, legally, when they "break up"?
The proposed policy would be easily abused. Were I a college student again, I
would get registered with my "committed" graduate roomate and use that to work
out health insurance benefits from his employer. I don't think that my wife
would have objected to me working the system either.
I have had a few gay neighbors and they are great. Their houses are always well
taken care of and increase the home values in the neighborhood. If this
registry increases the number of gay couples living in SLC, the property rates
will skyrocket.A good neighbor is a good neighbor.
There goes the neighborhood...
I can only hope that Domestic Partnerships have better success rates than
marriages, which is around 50%.
Before the typical homophobic remarks start, I thought I'd jump in. Thank
goodness for 2 things! 1. A public servant actually following up on campaign
promises, and 2. A measure to extend rights and respect to people that sorely
deserve it.Before anyone decides this is morally reprehensible,
please ask the question "how is this hurting me?"
I thought we got rid of Rocky.