Great paper - very informative. How do I obtain a copy of a recent article?
I really enjoy Mormon Times it is great!! I read it from cover to cover. I
especially like Brother Cards articles. Actually all the articles are
informative and helpful and greatly appreciated. Thanks for all you do to make
it possible for us. We live in Wisconsin so we do not get alot of what you may
find out West for information. It would be great if it was called the LDS Times
as we get alot of flack about not being Christian in our area and that would
help clear that up. We could then explain the full names is "The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints." Thank you so much for all you do to make this
section possible for us.
To SB - It is a misnomer to say Utah has little seperation of Church and State.
The church protects its interests in the state as it finds necessary and lawful,
but it doesn't seek to inject itself into most discussions that are in the
State's domain. I have lived in several eastern/southern states and found their
governments to be much more influenced by the local religions. States like
Kansas, where the school board seeks to throw science out the window in favor of
religious symbolic mythology. The entire bible belt, from Texas to South
Carolina, constantly trying to inject evangelical christianity into the courts
and public life. Utah has a good balance considering it is like Italy, for the
Catholics - and SLC is equivalent to Rome.
I am so excited about the Mormon Times. I read your newspaper online however
depending on the content of the Mormon Times I am tempted to get a subscription
and because I love the Church News. It's so positive and upbeat compared to
most newspapers. I hope the content is similar to LDS Living Magazine and the
Utah Valley Magazine because they are so helpful with practical ways of
improving life and family life. Thanks!
Every good newspaper knows its audience; and it is the responsibility of that
newspaper to not only be informative, but also to address the relevant issues of
its readers. Nearly 97% of the Deseret News subscribers are of the LDS faith,
which is perhaps why the weekly Church News is such a key component of its
circulation. However, it is also the responsibility of every good newspaper to
be a forum for new ideas and opinions.As I understand it, there is a
monumental difference between the weekly Church News and the Mormon Times. The
former is given the seal of approval by church leaders, and the latter is not.
Therefore, the aforementioned criticism of the Mormon Times being used as an
agent of exclusion is inaccurate. In contrast, this portion of the newspaper has
the capabilities of opening the channels of discussion between Mormons and
non-Mormons, by facilitating a convalescent understanding of cultural
differences. Further, it also has the ability to face hard hitting issues on a
more personal scale than the Church News; ie. divorce, financial trouble etc.
Wow, there are certainly a lot of Angry people reading this section. It will be
interesting to me to see what is in this interactive part of DesNews. Seems
there is intolerance with both members and non-members here. In my community,
we live together nicely and judge each other on the way we live and behave, not
Thanks for the Mormon Times section. I returned to Utah 30 years ago and have
enjoyed the Deseret News during that time, but always wondered why the Religion
pages only covered activities of churches other than ours. A visitor to Salt
Lake who read the Deseret News on a weekday would have never known there are
hundreds of Mormon congregations here all of which have newsworthy activities
just as deserving of news coverage. Maybe you could expand the Mormon Times to
be published each day. Many thanks to you Mssrs. Cannon, Schneider, Shill,
Walker, Larson, Card, Johnson, and the many reporters. Keep up the good work.
"Why don't some of you out there just let Mormons live their lives and believe
what they want to believe without your uneducated comments? Quite worrying
about what others are doing and try worrying about yourselves. You are
obviously quite disgruntled and so unhappy with your own lives that you have to
constantly pick on those who are happy with their lives to make you feel better.
Pathetic!"Huh, why don't the Mormons just let other people live
their lives without worrying about our "salvation"? Quit sending missionaries
to our doors. We don't want you coming around. You Mormons can cry persecution
and bigotry aimed at you all you want, but it goes both ways. Your
missionaries come to our doors uneducated about the real teachings of their
church. Leaders purposefully white-wash it so as not to scare off
"investigators". There's no such thing as "investigators". There's just people
who are too polite to slam the door in your face when you come interrupting our
lives.Stop trying to play the victim card. If you really want to go
there, then call off your missionary program. If we offend you, it's only
because you offend us with your arrogant impositions.
Here's how I see it. If I enjoyed the DesNews staff writing, the
national columnists that I can't find in the Trib, and I found the reporting of
regional stories superior to the Tribs-And if I thought the DesNews
covered politics better and that the Editorial Board was aligned closer to my
own philosophy and views-And if I abhorred all things Mormons as
some of the complainers seem to do Id welcome a section that contained ALL THE
MORMON STUFF IN ONE PLACE. Then like I do the Ads and Sports; I
would toss it into the garbage on my way to my easy chair where I'll sit down
and read the rest of it.I see absolutely no value in having a
separate section since we have already the Church News. I enjoy reading it
cover to cover to learn the latest about Church activities. I can't think of
anything targeted for the new section that can't go into the Church news. HOWEVER, If it turns into nothing more than a chest-thumping puff piece
advertising CTR rings, Angel Moroni Christmas tree toppers, fridg magnets,
slogans, bumperstickers, and other Mormon paraphernalia then Ill just toss it
Why not put this section in with the church news on Saturday instead of all of
the advertising for huge homes? That would seem to be more consistent with
mormon teaching to live within our means.
I must be missing something on this article. Is the new section adding enough
weight to the paper to cause lifting/spine concerns? Are they replacing the
science/cooking section with it? Are they increasing subscription costs for the
paper? Is there an over-reaction contest going on this week? No? Then who
If the LDS Church is true in what it professes, you and those like you will have
denigrated the Church for naught. If it does not have the truth, then no one
else has it either. And it doesn't matter what we believe and teach.I'm trying to visualize the "serious concerns" you say you have.There's a scripture that encourages all who want to know truth to study and
pray "with real intent." I have taught many investigators who could never
understand "real intent."Some didn't want to know for sure because
they then would be held accountable before God. They liked the things they found
to be contrary to LDS beliefs and didn't want to give them up. Others didn't
want to know because they had a self-appointed desire to stop anyone who might
end up more happy than they.If those who have self-imposed issues
want to know, try with "real intent." Real intent means honestly without guile.
The results might be interesting to you.
I agree with LDS in Texas. Please do not attempt to stamp out our right to have
this venue in which to access further information that is important and
interesting to us as members of the LDS church. Celebrate diversity, we are
different from each other, and therefore want different information. I think we
are all capable of picking and choosing what we will or will not read. So carry
on with the Mormon Times, I look forward to reading.
I say all for it. If you don't want to read it, then don't. Don't exclude the
rest of us from the news we want to read just because you don't want to waste a
page of the paper devoted to who founded where you live.Thank you and good
We just don't want unaware souls to fall into the trap of Mormonism. That's why
we speak out. It's so frustrating when good people are just unwilling to accept
that there are serious concerns about the origen and modern-day teachings of the
I still don't get why we can't subscribe to the Church News unless we subscribe
to the Deseret News as well.Also, whenever I type Deseret it
comes up as spelled wrong. Someone at the paper needs to add their own name to
the spell checker being used...
K-dog. if it is such a worthless rag, why are you reading it, or maybe you can
use if you aren't house trained.
I don't need to be "edified" by newspaper articles. What I do need is honest
reporting and editorials about what the church is doing. Re: What is the real
story behind City Creek? I don't need to hear about Scout Troops in North
Carolina nor do I need stories about Visiting Teaching from a wheelchair. Just
the facts, Ma'm.
I was thrilled to hear about this new addition to the Deseret News! If the
Deseret News does not do something like this, who will?I like the
idea of a Q & A section - something similiar to what Joseph Fielding Smith did
(his 5 volume book Answers to Gospel Questions is wonderful). I am sure that
readers have lots of gospel questions related to more modern church issues that
could be addressed. Of course it would be wonderful if they were "official"
church answers. But I would still very much enjoy "unofficial" answers from an
apostle, other general authority or an area seventy. General authorities write
"unofficial" books all the time, so I would think it would be acceptable for
them to write a newspaper column.Thank you Mr. Cannon!
I find it sad that so much hatred exists. Most of us have strong opinions, but
we only become opinionated when we try to force those opinions on others. I
think we all believe our opinions are correct or we wouldn't have them. Let's
all just try to believe what we think is correct without demeaning or belittling
those who might not believe the same.
The funniest thing about all these comments are the calls for people to leave
the state if they don't like what the Mormons do. There was a talk in General
Conference, I think it was by Russ Ballard saying how bad it is to tell someone
to move if they don't like what Mormons are doing in the State. And anyone who
still claims that Joseph Smith had less than 15 wives, including at least one
who was 14 years of age, (and he did have sex with most of them) is uneducated.
Accurate historical websites or books are not automatically anti-mormon just
because you didn't hear those things when you grew up in the church. Grow up.
Why don't some of you out there just let Mormons live their lives and believe
what they want to believe without your uneducated comments? Quit worrying about
what others are doing and try worrying about yourselves. You are obviously
quite disgruntled and so unhappy with your own lives that you have to constantly
pick on those who are happy with their lives to make you feel better. Pathetic!
Will there be a Q & A section, that anyone can use? That would be very
Just how do you think the "Mormon" Church is in trouble?
Best wishes to Joe Cannon and his staff on their most recent effort to give the
readers of the Deseret News what they want. Unfortunately this announcement has
become a "call to arms" for those who do not enjoy the newspaper in the first
place. The best comment so far is the suggestion that the Deseret News require
identification before publishing a comment! I have a few comments of
my own - for those who like to murmur, grumble, and whine: Every U.S.
citizen has the right to choose his/her reading material. Similar rights are
guaranteed for choosing where one lives, works, worships, and pursues higher
education. If you are unhappy with your life, take control and change it. Living
in an area where most of the people obey the ten commandments is not easy, nor
for everyone. Reading a news publication of and for this group may not be to
one's liking. Do something else. But please do not tread on MY
rights to access this publication and improve my day. Living far from SLC, I
appreciate reading news about my church. How do I subscribe to the complete
So let me get this right, and correct me if I'm wrong.The mormon
church owns the Deseret News as well as Desnews.com.The mormon
church publishes the "official" church news as an insert to the local Deseret
News.The mormon church now feels it is necessary to put in an
addition to the regular paper IN ADDITION to the "official" church news to
further spread its propaganda. Looks like the mormon church is in
I've lived outside Utah most of my adult life. We moved back about 8 years ago.
It's very refreshing to be back living in a PG rated community. My 12 year old
son heard a swear word a while back and said "that's the first time I've ever
heard somebody say that word." While the rest of the world laughs at how naive
he is, I explode with grattitude that there is such a place. If you haven't
lived outside of Utah you don't know what I'm talking about. I grew up in a
state back east where that word was used 2 or 3 times in every sentence. I LOVE
THIS PLACE! It may be the last great refuge on the planet. Thank you DN for
pushing this little community in the desert in the right direction!
Of course you don't have to do all those things to return to Heavenly Father.
All are saved through Jesus Christ. Salvation is a free gift, LDS or not. But
there are many mansions, referring to exaltation. All those things you mentioned
are not checkboxes to be marked off, but they are actions on our part that
indicates the level of our faith in him.
It was not a journey of intellectual debating the issues or of reading about the
Church that inspired my conversion. It was a very personal journey with a lot of
spiritual testimony to it. Admittedly, if you don't have the spiritual
testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and understand that there
are stages in the revelation of God's will, no amount of reading about the
Church will sink deep into your consciousness. You will prophet nothing. :-)I work with Jews and Muslims. My entire family of priests and nuns are
Catholics and we have a history of fighting for civil rights in Louisiana. I'm
not voting for Romney and I don't align with conservative Republicans, yet I
have a powerful, life changing testimony of the LDS Church. I could not have
gotten this from reading about it in a newspaper. But, I could have gotten more
general information about the Church.I hope we continue to be a POSITIVE
example of religious tolerance and respect for the Sunni, Sufi and Shia Muslims.
They need an ensign of how to meld in harmony. Can we give it to them?Peace Out.
re; Colorado, I think he was just smarting off at you. He deliberately
misspelled ( PROPHET ) It was done purposely to agitate you . We know you like
to correct peoples spelling for some reason??? Have fun because there are too
many out there on blogs who do it.
Bear Lakes spelling of "profit" was purposeful. Do you understand play on
Two comments: In the BOM, Mormon writes "...it is strange to relate, not long
after their dissensions they became more hardened and cimpenitent, and more
wild, wicked and ferocious than the Lamanites ..." See Alma 47:36. I would bet
that many of the most anti-Mormon writers on this site, were once members, could
not live the gospel, and not spew hatred because their consciences eat at them
and they hate it.2nd, we as members have much of the blame for those
who move to Utah and see us as stand offish as we explain the gospel using
words such as "only true church" etc. Also, when was the last time you invited
a non-Mormon neighbor over for dinner just to be neighborly without hopes to
preach the gospel to them. Especially one who might smoke or drink. How many
times do we tell our children (especially teenagers) don't associate with
non-Mormom kids, because they don't have the same morals. Many do but we don't
know it. We are asked to raise the fallen up. To do that, we have to give them
a hand, even if theirs are dirty. Look at yours, are they completely clean?
Excellent! I look forward to reading the online version of Mormon News. And by
coming up with such a distinct feature, the Deseret News is actually adding to
journalistic diversity.Now, how can all of you out there who claim
to celebrate "diversity" possibly object to more diversity in journalism?
Unless, of course, your definition of diversity is merely to be "alike in
different ways". LOL!
... and to think, most newspapers are cutting down on the comedic factor of its
coverage. Congrats, LDS/Mormon contributors. Quite sure the less the Deseret
finds to publish the more they shall be needing to dig up.
Can't believe all the negative comments on the Deseret News creating a section
on Mormonism. Last time I looked, SLC was the headquarters of the LDS faith.
If you don't want to read about things related to Mormonism, skip the section.
DUH! Honestly, some of you bigots need to get a life!
Hey Bear Lake, Learn how to spell. It is a Prophet.
Although I tire of the anti-Mormon nut jobs that chime in on nearly every
article that mentions the LDS Church (don't they have jobs?), I am not sure if
this is a good idea. I enjoy this paper's reporting, although the sports
section could be beefed up a bit. But--this paper already reports thoroughly on
LDS news, and additional reading can be had in the Church News. Mormon Times
may be more appropriate in a place where there isn't a church on every corner,
and 5 out of 6 neighbors are LDS. In Utah, it seems to be overkill.
Mr. Cannon,1- This is a good idea. It serves your readers well.2- Now, take the next step and become a conservative paper. Quit this
watered-down tribune business. 3- Improve your paper's integrity by
dumping your lobbyist opinion writers.4- Require identification for
posting. Too many trolls.
I think that this is a great idea . . . whoever you hire to manage this should
be a highly talented individual. Thank you Joe.
Thanks so much for this wonderful addition. I read the Deseret News online
every day to keep up on what is happening in Utah while I have to live out of
state for awhile, and I will be looking forward to the Mormon Times every
I'm in Idaho and the ONLY reason I read your website is for coverage of the
Church and topics that are of interest to its members. This is a great move.
Please continue in this direction.
Bear Lake,Wow, one thing the LDS church teaches is happiness. When
I read your spot, I don't really get the impression that you are happy.Be kind to your neighbor, control your anger, live for peace and harmony, pray
for your spouses, be kind to your children. Those are all things that the
prophet has taught recently. Is that really all that bad?
I would love it if Deseret News would inform me of what the Mormon church
teaches. I am so confused. I didn't know that if families were not sealed in a
temple that they wouldn't be together or that I have to have the help of a
profit in order to know what God is saying to me. I also always thought that
God would protect me, I didn't know that a pair of magic underwear would do this
for me. It would be refreshing if this newspaper would put all of the LDS
churches beliefs on the front page of the first article and let people judge for
themselves what the LDS religion is really about. To the LDS fans out there, do
you really think that God or your heavenly father is going to require you to get
married in a temple, pay tithing, word of wisdom, take out endowments, keep the
saboth, visit teach, home teach, have a calling, do baptisms for the dead, get
married, go on a mission, follow the profit, graduate from seminary, and
procreate the world with little mormon kids in order to return to you father in
heaven? I don't think so.
Nice article with good things happening with DN. RE: A in LA? You
are making as many comments as anyone else on here. I thought I would answer you
meaning you were asking everyone on here if they had a job. And, yes, I do
thanks... DO YOU HAVE A JOB? I was wondering with all your comments.
Interesting comments from all. The best one said in effect "don't read it if
you don't like it". Off subject, the D-News has a great web site.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the neighbors won't let their kids play
with yours because they just don't like them, or you. Maybe it has absolutely
nothing to do with religion.I am so tired of some of you out there
categorizing Mormons as in-tolerant bigots. Give it a rest already. I'm sure
that some members of the mormon faith are intolerant of others' religious
affiliations, but I'm also sure that the percentage is no higher than that of
other religions being intolerant of mormons. I've seen it numerous times from
the other viewpoint, kids aren't allowed to play with the neighbors because they
are mormons. Quit the sterotyping, there are plenty of idiots out
there on both sides of the fence. And for the record, Mormons have been putting
up with the persecution and bigotry much longer than you have. Why
can't we all just get along?
Joe, THANK YOU. This new section is really great. Your interview with Doug
Wright this morning was very informative as to your goals. Way to go!
I read the Church AND The Deseret News and am glad to have an additional sourse
of information from the Church in which I am a member.I firmly
believe that GOD or JESUS CHRIST still has the AUTHORITY and POWER to call
PROPHETS DIRECTLY, in in our own time,and has done so, and any one that really
believes that GOD can do ANYTHING, will not limit his powers. (New
Testament | Revelation 22:19)19 And if any MAN shall take away from the
words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book
of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this
book.My reading of this verse says IF ANY MAN!!! takes away fron this
writingI have found nothing in the KING JAMES version of the BIBLE
where God has limited HIS AUTHORITY to call Prophets, at this time, as well as
He did in the OLD TESTAMENT times. I want to hear as much as I can from the
Church HE HAS ESTABLISHED in our time. Others may ridicule me as they did in
I live in San Francisco where liberals and gay activists pull the media strings.
Were plagued with people pushing these agendas, along with some who routinely
bash religion (specifically Christianity). The S.F. Chronicle has this creep
named Morford who is so hateful toward religion (specifically Christianity) that
even some anti-Mormons here might be shocked. I dont recall ever threatening to
move to Utah because of all the media contents that I don't like.Not
a golf fan? Any problem with news about golf tournaments? Move! How about the
operado you have season tickets and love a rousing Aida? If not, be warned, the
Deseret News sometimes reviews opera. Maybe you dont travel. Are you going to
move to another state to avoid reading a newspaper section on travel? Good
luck.Do you read the Saturday section where events and practices of
many religions are covered? Did it bother you to see the recent stories on the
Quinceaera for Catholic Hispanic girls, a Torah scroll salvaged from the
Holocaust, Assyrian Christians worried about their homeland of Iraqeven an event
for ex-Mormons? Or are you just about bashing Mormons and the LDS
Excellent. This is an amazing idea!!! It is true that newspapers do cater to
their audiences and are all influenced by their contributors, editors, boards,
demographics, etc. It is better than being controlled by the government like in
the Middle-East. I have been to Dubai many times and have experienced this. I
lived abroad most of my life as my father worked for the government abroad.
Also, it is funny that the bloggers on the Salt Lake Tribune website say the say
comments as on the Deseret News blogs. Why so much Romney? This newspaper is
biased! Romney and Mormons are this and that....blah...blah... Two totally
different newspapers and the critics leave the same comments. Check for
yourselves if you doubt this.
Thanks a lot for this new section. I enjoy reading Orson Scott Card's & Jerry
Johnston's columns as well as the other articles. As noted in some of theother comments, one can pick & choose which sections to read. For instance, I
rarely read thesports & business sections, but I am glad that they are
available on a daily basis to those who are interested in those areas. I look
forward to next week's "Mormon Times" section. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, DesNews, for your great paper. Yes, we in L.A. do read you and will
enjoy your new section. Keep up the good work.
Are talking to yourself in the mirror, or are you suffering freeway panic.
I'm glad to have that in the newspaper. It will be a great missionary tool to
those friends of who are not of our beliefs. I like the name Mormon Times. The
opposition will never go away as has been stated. Its something that my
ancestors have had to deal with and I will deal with it as well.
Nice to know that as a non-mormon, you would prefer me to move out of the
state?So much for tolerance and having lived here for almost 20
years, it seems to be the one thing this state lacks. My mormon neighbor will
not let their children play with mine because they just can't trust someone that
goes to another church?Nice, way to make us feel unwelcomed, again!
There are many comments here being made by the same people. DON'T YOU PEOPLE
HAVE JOBS? Do you really have such boring lives that you have so much time to
devote to bashing and stupid retoric? A lot of these comments are just pathetic
- as are the comments by people who take the bait and respond to them. GET A
to 'Please refrain' good comments to both parts of the 'conflict' about the new
addition to the Des. News. Controversies about the Mormons will never end -
they will go on forever. We know it, and should be used to it. Sad when they
hit so hard. The comments hurt and show the ignorance of the people who send
them out. As for me, yes, I would actually say the things I am writing - I'm
not 'hiding' behind a keyboard. Childish? Maybe, but I still want to let
people know that their 'ignorance' is showing when they say what theydo
about things they obviously don't understand. Oh well, it will never end - we
know it, we need to grow thicker 'hides' so we can get through it! Time marches
on - it will get worse, look forward to the time when it will all be over. Read
the paper or don't - that's your decision! Simple...
Why add a MormonTimes section? Please read Doug Robinson's "Better duck -if
you're a Mormon", on today's Deseret Morning News, and get a hint. These
Mormon journalist, seem to me, are picking-up the Mormon label and running with
it; in the same manner earlier journalist took the Muckraker label and made it
into a badge of honor. I congratulate them for taking incoming fire and going
forward with what they think it is right!
I find neither of the Utah newspapers really presents an unbiased view of the
world. But I think that is to be expected in any area where one religion
dominates everything from politics to news. This occurs is many places in the
world. Although I do not have an interest in the new Mormons Times, I imagine
many LDS people do. So they will enjoy it. I prefer to get my news
from many online sources to see world events from many different perspectives.
This the Deseret news does not do.I hope the new section does well.
Even though I do not find the News very useful personally, I think many people
will enjoy the new section.
This is a very good idea. We have learned from the earliest days of the church
how important it is to control the press at any cost......
To all of you, on both sides, who just sit in the coziness of your home or
office and cast silly barbs about these issues, please refrain in the future.Telling people to leave if they don't like it is childish. You need to
learn how to get along with others who don't necessarily have your same belief
system or train of thought.Telling people that you've had enough
bias and slanted news is just as childish. Find a new source for your
information.Would any of you actually SAY the things you are writing
here? If not, then why is it ok for you to type them? because no one actually
knows who you are? Sad, but true. Please look in the mirror and see if you like
what you see. Then please refrain!
Go Joe and Team! This is what so many people have been waiting for. We finally
have a voice in this community. The Tribune and most other media have one angle.
This is the direction we should be going, while still coving other local news
and information in the core newspaper. Great work!
"This news paper is not public it is owned in the private sector."Mormon haters live on lies, half truths, and innuendos.
This is a powerful idea. There is no point in trying to mimic the Salt Lake
Tribune--creat something different, something unique. Thank you for creating
this. We love it!
"I thought the Church was trying to distance itself from the "Mormon" label."
That is a common misunderstanding. "Mormon" is fully accepted, "LDS" is not.
Reread the official statement! Only "Mormon church" should be
avoided, but Mormon as adjective for all other uses, "Mormon" for members and
"Mormonism" as the whole is fully endorsed. And indeed important: the rest of
America, let alone the world, has no idea what LDS means. Moreover, with
"Mormon", it's the same word in all languages.
So why do you read the DesNews if you think it's biased or does not represent
your views? Almost all major papers are "biased" in one way or another. And
while I'm not a Mitt supporter (yes, I'm LDS), one of the big news items of any
election is always which candidate that newspaper supports or endorses. None of
this is unique to the DesNews or Utah, for that matter. This just happens to be
a paper owned by a privately held interest, as are most other papers in this
country. I agree with a previous post on this site -- the fact that this is a
predominantly LDS community would lend credence to having a section of the
newspaper dedicated to their interests, just as a paper in some other part of
the country or world would likely have a section dedicated to news for their
dominant religion. I really don't see the problem. If it doesn't interest you,
don't read it. I'm not a huge sports fan so I hardly ever read the sport
section, but I'm not "crying" to the paper about including it every day!!
I, too, was surprised that the name "Mormon" was used rather than LDS, since the
LDS Church has been trying to educate the non-member public that this is The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not the Mormon Church. Constant
references to "Mormonism" isn't going to help establish a world-wide
understanding that we definitely DO believe in Jesus Christ. Other than
the name issue, I am very pleased with the new section, and will be a regular
reader.There are sections of the paper I do not read, and I believe
everyone has the right to read or not read as they see fit. Just because
someone doesn't like sports, should they throw out the Sports section? If
you don't like it - don't read it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
Oh, no -- this is a terrible idea! Why would a newspaper that it supposed to be
the voice of ALL PEOPLE choose to divide itself even further from the non-Mormon
community? Count me out. From now on, I'll read the Trib only....
glad to have new section to the Des News. as for george zinn - the Mormon hater
- don't think anyone is tying you down & forcing you to stay in Utah. You are
here by 'invited' to move out of the state. think there is a place where you'll
be welcomed? doubt it....go go go we'll help you pack.
I think Deseret News is very fair and lets both LDS members and Nonmembers voice
their opinions. So why are you "RALPIE" dumping on them. No one forces you to
come on to their website. By the way, you don't know what you are talking about
and don't make any sense. So why hang around! The DN will continue on rather
anyone likes what they do or not! I rather enjoy each day reading
DN...positive or negative.
The Deseret News has to come up with something like 'Non Mormon News' to have a
voice for the non Mormons in this state who have been persecuted by Mormons. The
Mormons in this state of Utah says they don't persecute minorities.
Re: TIRED, ....GRUMBLE GRUMBLE GRUMBLE!To all you (Anti-Mormon
bashing people)It's another website for the 2 bashing sides to come
Well, there goes any pretense at all that the DesNews is a real newspaper . . .
rather than a mouthpiece of the LDS Church, which owns it -- body, and
re: LOL 11:08am I see your interests are still in spelling and
criticizing. Have you ever tried not to be so judgmental of others
and their SIMPLE mistakes? I bet you have misspelled a few words a long the way
as well. Why do you like to criticize others so much?
Interesting when I've ever had any comments concerning Joe Cannon, they've
always been editorially deleted from this blog. Congratulations for finally
getting one through. And by the way, I totally agre with you.
I will read it. For those who don't like the idea, who's focring you to do what
I will? No one. Simply don't read it. Seesh.
Yet another means by which mormons can keep convincing themselves that mormonism
is valid by isolating their mindset with pro mormon propoganda, lest they
stumble on the truth.
To all of you (Mormon bashers) look at the history of this state....who opened
up the desert...who converted a wilderness into a garden...surprise it was the
Mormons. This state and city (SLC) were founded on the principles of the
religion it is why it is such a nice place to live and raise a family. If you
don't like it LEAVE.....PLEASE LEAVE!!!!!
Why are Mormons naive? Because we believe that God still talks to prophets?
Because we believe that Joseph Smith was a good--no--great man, and resotred,
not founded, the church that Jesus Christ built during his ministry. Is it
because we believe that families can be together in eternity--forever? Is it
because we believe that the Bible is a record of God's dealings with man in the
Old World, the Book of Mormon is a record of ancient peoples that inhabited the
Western Hemisphere, and that there are still prophets that are tasked with
keeping records of modern peoples--in other words, the Bible is not the only
book of scripture? Is it because we believe in giving money and/or service to
the people of this world, that have it a lot worse than we do? Or is it because
we just don't agree with your point of view, and the points of view of all the
critics in Salt Lake? One caution I would make to you, is that you really study
the history of the Church before you make asinine comments, believing that
you're an expert on the subject. The historical records are open for anyone to
Ezra Smith just graduated from journalism school and still has the naivety to
THINK that the MAJOR newspapers are neutral.Please shake off the
cobwebs and understand that all MAJOR newspapers have agendas and ARE influenced
by them. Boston Globe, NYT, LAT, AZRepublic, WashPO etc.If you
really think they are neutral, then call me because I have this really nice
beach front property in Arizona to sell you.
I am a paying subscriber to the News On-line edition, and this section is
nowhere to be found. I subscribed on-line because I got tired of searching the
bushes, the roof, and the street for a soaked and soggy (unreadable) paper that
may or may not be delivered each day. I feel that my paid subscription should
entitle me to the entire paper.
I look forward to reading it. I'm not LDS and I don't believe the theology.
But My in-laws are and I like to be informed. If you can weed through some of
the more vitrolic comments (from both LDS and anti) there is a lot to learn
about the LDS church in these blogs.
Sometimes Mormons scare me with their naivety and need to control reality.
There are two privately owned newspapers that dominate this state, and yes they
are privately owned. But you are wrong about their free right to slant the news
any way they want (outside of the opinion columns.) The proud tradition of
MAJOR newspapers in this nation is to NOT be influenced by any one group, and to
act as neutral reporters of the news. The Desert News has claimed again and
again that they are unbiased and not controlled by the church or any biased
board. It is and should be their Journalistic Creed to do so. But old things
often become new. Joseph Smith burned down the opposition newspaper in order to
sanitize his Warren Jeffslike multiple marriages.
The comment about his reinforcing a "separation of church and state" problem is
laughable. Since when has the Deseret News been part of the state government?
I believe Mr. Robinson hit the nail on the head in his column a few days ago.
The LDS Church is being blasted from all sides with impunity. I am sick of the
sordid, untruthful comments made in print and on the nightly news.Thank
you!There was a Nauvoo Neighbor. Now we have a Mormon Times
It's another bashing website. Mormons vs anti's. It should be quite good.
I think this is a good idea, But Deseret News, didn't you get the memo...? The
big white building says we should always refer to the church as "The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints", or doesn't that apply to you guys? Or is
this another example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing
in church leadership.
To Cy chmidt: Are you the same Cy Schmidt from the old Guardian / Peter Jeppson
Where are your sources pallyboy (guy who wrote to me@ 12:25 PM)? Would you like
if I retyped it so it says One of the fastest growing churches? I'm sorry I have
to split my attention right now so somethings are going to get omitted.
To George H Zinn:Thank you for your comment and insight. This is a free
country. One of the great things about it is that you get to choose the things
you buy (except public education). If you don't care for the Deseret News
product, you could switch to the S L Tribune, which sounds like it would be more
to your liking. Only in America.
I attend the LDS Church and all, I don't really mind the idea of this new
section... but at the same time wonder why have it when this paper already
distributes "The Church News" (LDS publication about LDS news, stories, events,
etc.). If readers expressed interest in a section called "Baptist Times" or
"Catholic Times" would they also add these sections?
"Reports the news in an unfiltered, accurate, unbiased manor"... That is an
interesting statement, which is by definition absolutely false. How can you
report news in an "unbiased" manor? This is a joke and you know it Mr. Cannon.
You may feel that you're opinions are the only correct opinions, but many others
disagree. Many times I am offended by your arrogance in the opinion section
when you distort the truth in a gross and blatant manor. At least be honest and
state that you are biased. Everyone has an opinion on what is right and wrong,
just make sure to state those comments as opinion, instead of an "unbiased"
report of the news. What's funny and sad at the same time, is your statement
about being unfiltered, accurate and unbiased is probably the most egregious lie
"Our readers also have strongly reaffirmed their interest in a full-service
daily newspaper that reports the local, national and international news in an
unfiltered, accurate and unbiased manner. " - This is great news, when can we
expect to see this happening? Because it sure as heck ain't happening now! The
blatent support of Mitt Romney for president is a great example. If I were to
rely on your "un-biased" reporting, I'd be buying my tickets to Mr. Romney's
innaugural address while the reaalityis he is way behind in the national polls!
Thanks for the new section. Living far from Salt Lake, I look forward to
learing more about what's going on with the church and it's members. It's
interesting to read that such a section in the paper is upsetting to some, but I
think to most active LDS, this will become a favorite section of the paper.
If you have ever watched the session of General Conference where the church
releases the statistics for the past year (and I am sure you have not) you will
notice that the church leaders say nothing about being the fastest growing
religion. They state the number of baptisms for the past year. I don't know if
the church is the fastest growing religion in America. I really don't care.
But there is no doubt that it is growing at a very rapid rate. If it wasn't,
people like you, Aaron, wouldn't spend so much time worrying about other
religions 'myths.' Seriously. Live and let live. If the Salt Lake Tribune
wants to publish the Catholic times, I am all for it. The DesNews knows the
demographic of their readership. It is called marketing. No big deal.
You might want to get your fact straight. The Jehovah's witnesses and the
Seventh Day Adventists are growing at a much faster rate than the LDS church.
Where did you get your information considering it is false and with less
Were you actually under the impression that this is a "public" paper. This
newspaper is not owned or operated by the government of this state. Doubtless,
it is privately held with investors and a board. If you want to make your weak
argument regarding seperation of church and state perhaps you should first look
into the orgination of that myth, then find a more logical place to air to
"Their mission is to demean the church in whatever way they can." You mean by
quoting facts about Mormonism's growth rate from *Mormon* authors? Consider the
information instead of attacking the messenger.
Ok well I just checked out the site and it has an obvious anti Mormon slant so
why should I trust that site anymore than you trust the LDS church's?
The DesNews isn't a government publication. There is no obligation on the part
of a corporation to not advocate or report on a particular set of beliefs, nor
is there anything against marketing to a large segment of the population based
on their religious beliefs. If the DesNews can make more money by publishing
this new section, why shouldn't they?
Where you actually under the impression that there is such a thing as a public
newspaper. This news paper is a not a government (hence "public") paper. Rather
is is privately held doubtless with stockholders and investors.
I love the D-News. As a mormon, I don't think for myself, and it's a lot easier
if someone else does it for me. More stories = more thoughts. Baaaaa!
are you saying you want the state to run the newspapers?
"The information in the vaults is available. In fact the church is very open to
letting others see their records (except confidential member stuff)."And by "confidential member stuff," of course you mean anything that might
cast a bad light on Mormonism.
This news paper is not public it is owned in the private sector.
Thank you so very much! This is a wonderful idea, to give the community a
little boost in what's going on. A printed calendar of events at the new
conference center, Choir schedules, Orchestra events, special meetings and on
and on. Even those who are not a part of the faith can be able to enjoy many of
those events if they will only have an open mind them. Imagine getting seats at
a Choir concert. I have tried many times to get tickets for the choir, but with
late notification, I have failed. Thank you, thank you. NIIICE!
So if this is so terrible, why are you reading it?Let it go -- go
read the Tribune!
Boy are you a genius. You identify an anti-Mormon site and quote them. Their
mission is to demean the church in whatever way they can.Get your
head out of the sand!
I believe you are a bit mis-informed. Joseph Smith wrote his own story and it
is published widely im pamphlets, in our scriptures and in Church History. The information in the vaults is available. In fact the church is very
open to letting others see their records (except confidential member stuff).
You have a stilted view of the Church.
Zinn, take a chill pill and relax. I do agree that the church news is enough,
but I think you've gone overboard with your vitriol.
Totally inappropriate for a public newspaper. It reinforces that this is the
only state where there is little or no separation of church and state!
"We are still the fastest growing church in the world and America." This is a
faith-promoting myth. Mormonism Research Ministry has documented this myth. In
fact, if you go to their front page and click on "Eight Mormon Myths", it's
listed as myth #1.
um lets see ...does everyone who reads the Desnews like sports news? ...
but it has a sports section.see does everyone who reads the Desnews like
Business news? ... but it has a Business section.see does everyone who
reads the Desnews like Arts & Entertainment news? ... but it has an Arts &
Entertainment section. see does everyone who reads the Desnews like Utah
or Davis co news? ... but it has those sections. if you don't like a
Mormon section in the Desnews then don't read it? DUH! Mormons make
a substainal segment of the population in the area, so it would only make sense
that the local paper might want to have a section pertaining to them. I wonder if there is any Catholic news any of Rome's newspapers? I
wonder if there is any Jewish news in New York City or Israeli newspapers? Anti- Mormon bigotry rears its ugly head again by those who have nothing
better to do that hate and complain. Grow up and get a life.
Thanks for the information. I'm looking forward to the articles you present.
I agree with the comments. It appears that if you are not mormon or disagree
with mormons, you are a bigot, or just dumb.
Why do you Aaron and the other guy think that? We are still the fastest growing
church in the world and America. So please stop being disingenuous. Besides what
pill will you take Shafovaloff the red pill or the blue. One will lead you to
something without foundation but is easy to live. The other will give you a path
and purpose but is harder to live. Down the rabbit hole again eh?Enough
Matrix references for you?
(I can't help it...)I'm glad to see that religious bigotry on this
comment board has so far been limited to some guy who doesn't know the
difference between "there" and "their". Nice post...haha
"The more people learn about Mormonism the less converts their will be to
Mormonism." This is so true. It's like that scene in the Matrix... once you
decide to learn about the facts, there's no turning back. I'd encourage anyone
to take this time to look at both proponents and critics of Mormonism. One could
go to the official Mormon web site or visit Mormonism Research Ministry.
Wow. More Mormon news in the Mormon paper. What a novel concept! Worthless
Sounds great! It's just too bad we'll have Orson Scott Card and Jerry Johnston
instead of Times and Seasons contributors John Taylor, the Pratt brothers, and
Joseph Smith. Now that was some good stuff!
Thank you for your comments Mr. Zinn.Often we find people who
complain and those who make accusations of others. If we didn't have anything to
fear couldn't we hold those complaints and accusations until we have all died.
If it is true isn't it wonderful, and if not at least there was hope. At any
rate, please don't let hatred and misunderstandings stand in the way of us being
men and women.
Mormon Times? Wasn't "Mormon" a bad word in Utah?
Er... so you didn't feel completely comfortable with your own faith until you
found something you could look down on in a different faith?I
shouldn't be surprised, really. That seems about par for the course with all
the petty squabbling between ideologies that occurs so often.
Thank you, Joe and Staff. This seems in keeping with Elder Ballard's
encouragement to use the media to inform others in a clear, concise way of our
LDS doctrine, views and lifestyle. I also appreciate the reference back to the
fine early Church publication The Times and Seasons. All the best, Cy SchmidtSLC,UT USA
Bad idea. I fear it will be more sugar coated church news, church-approved and
I am glad that the newspaper will be do this. I think it will be great.And for you who complain, don't read it. Isn't that simple?
You have got to be kidding...The Mormon News?? Isn't the weekly Church News
sufficient dogma to remind us who truly runs this state? I'm waiting to see a
Muslem News, or a special section just for me called the Goofy Bald Headed Guys
with Glasses News. I think this is a subliminal agenda in behalf of the Deseret
Morning News to get Mitt Romney elected. If you are hoping this will increase
your faltering circulation with your competition, this new section is a bad
idea. Utah is more pluralistic and diversified than ever before in history, and
to circulate a section to one interest or religion defeats what I feel should be
free and open journalism. Joe Cannon, wake up and come to the realization that
Salt Lake City is NOT just one great big Salt Lake 12th Ward!!!!
I enjoyed reading every article in your new section. I especially love reading
what Orson Scott Card writes. He and Jerry Johnston are favorite writers of
mine and I'm glad to know I can read their articles every week. Thank you for a
wonderful addition to my favorite newspaper.
Great Idea!! The more people learn about Mormonism the less converts their will
be to Mormonism.The Mormon label will most likely never disappear
unless they change the tittle of the Book of Mormon, change the name of the
Mormon Tabernacle Choir and acknowledge that Joseph Smith was not their founder.
"unfiltered, accurate, and unbiased" ... thank you Mr. Cannon. I appreciate the
DesNews' committment to always give me the straight story, untainted by the
liberal left-wing media conglomorate. I like my news as pristine as the falling
rain, I like it as sincere and free from hidden agenda as a Mitt Romney policy
As a former Utah Mormon, (now Arizona) I enjoy beginning each day reading
DeseretNews.com. And while I don't think the LDS church has to "open their
vaults and avail all sacred records/transcripts to the world, any more than any
other religion is obligated to do so. I hope "SLC" and others will simply accept
that what is correctly expressed and published, is simply who we are. And not
look for deep dark secrets that must be lingering in a vault somewhere. I think
after nearly 200 years our "fruits" are visible and well known.
Great idea! But who came up with the name? I thought the Church was trying to
distance itself from the "Mormon" label.
I have seen and learned of the LDS religion. Thank you DesNews for this. It
makes me much more comfortable being of another faith.God Bless.
A great idea. I hope the section will include open reporting from all sides.
It seems so many of the mormons only want their limited side of mormon views
printed. Under their control of information even Joseph Smith would not have
had the opportunity to tell his story. I hope the church will give you access
to the records and history files in the vaults of Cotton Wood canyon and then we
can get some good, true, fair and balanced reporting. Good luck with your new
Thanks for putting something out there for all to see and read. With the LDS
church being judged with the election it's good for others to see and learn. We
need to send this out to the world.
thank you. good timing too.