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  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 6:50 p.m.

    to the other annon, who wants to know about the Christ.

    Me. A LDS type. To me the cross means death. I would rather worship a living Christ, then a dead one.

  • Ryan
    Jan. 10, 2008 6:14 p.m.

    Dear Anonymous. It is not blind faith or naivete. Ask any good Latter-day Saint. They'll tell you that they found out for themselves. Joseph Smith was not perfect, but he did have a perfect message.

  • What's there to know?
    Jan. 10, 2008 6:04 p.m.

    To Anonymous | 5:07 p.m.

    What's there to learn about people who attack the LDS Church? They believe that in order to feel better about the person they see in the mirror every day, they have to step on top of as many people as possible. Usually people they feel jealous or spiteful of.

    Some call it a superiority complex.

    I call it dangerous and destructive. It's the kind of thinking that has inspired people like Hitler. But let people hate who they want to hate. So long as they don't spread lies, ridicule their neighbors and co-workers, and encourage their children to hate other children. (oh, too late)

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 5:09 p.m.

    Don't be to hard on "FaithNoMore." He's simply practicing the time honored, anti-mormon tradition of "lying with love."

    That's when a critic of the LDS Church lies about the Church's teachings and practices, only because they love members of the LDS Church.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 5:07 p.m.

    What is there to learn about LDS beliefs?
    They believe in the word of a single man who had political ambitions and no substance or evidence to support him and believe all other religions to be an abomination. 1 Nephi 14.
    Some call it blind faith.
    I call it naivete. But let them believe what they want. So long as they don't try to force-feed me with their folk-religion or scare my horses.

  • Confused
    Jan. 10, 2008 4:58 p.m.

    Actually I was taught by my Southern Baptist Grandmother and Pentecostal Mother about the Meaning of the Cross.

    Do you understand that each religion that has the cross defines it meanings. Yes the cross is a unviersal sign for people to know that the person wearing it is a Christian.

    But it does not mean each christian believes the Cross to be the same thing. The two Religions I talked about (as told me by this people) is that the Atonement was the Cruifiction. Therefore, the difference in beliefs.

    Now Being LDS and Having parents and grandparents that are Non LDS, I respect their decisions. I think they are good people, when they ask me I tell them about my beliefs, otherwise I don't proach the subject. Something my father (Agnostic) taught me. Tolerence for all beliefs.

    Well the popping up out of the grave (as you call it) was done in during Christ Ressurection, So to aanswe you - Yes I believe I will be fully ressurected coming forth out of the grave when the time comes.

  • The bees' knees
    Jan. 10, 2008 4:58 p.m.

    The more I read these postings the more I am convinced that Mormonism has more to do with bees, bee-keepers, and beehives than spirituality.
    It's good to be the bee-keeper in Mormonism.

  • A Deist believes
    Jan. 10, 2008 4:48 p.m.

    In a God, but not a particular type of God. We don't claim to know the nature of God, but we do believe in some form of Higher Power. We don't usually hold to any one religion.

  • J. Smith
    Jan. 10, 2008 4:41 p.m.

    The Christianity does not mean the belief in a cross. The very meaning of a Christian is one who teaches of Christ and follows Christ. As Latter Day Saints we do not have a cross because although Christ did atone for us in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross, Christ was infact Resurrected. He Lives even today with his Father in Heaven. This is indeed an example and a gift to us of eternal life after death.

  • Gopherus to Mark
    Jan. 10, 2008 4:31 p.m.

    You should see them stereotype atheists. Most of them also aren't sure what agnostics, deists, or pantheists are. I wouldn't say that most people of other religions (or no religion) do any better. Heck, most people don't know their own beliefs or even much about them self. What I don't understand is, if people don't look out and they don't look in, where in the heck are they looking?

  • Gopherus
    Jan. 10, 2008 3:47 p.m.

    Virtually all people are ignorant of most things. Most people would better spend their time learning something else (perhaps job skills for when your position is outsourced).
    The average Mormons understanding of evolution is pretty poor.
    How about general relativity?
    Who can adequately describe Janism?
    Can you build a boat from scratch?

    I'm sure that everyone has some idea of the one thing that everyone else should really know, but its only your idea. Learn what you are interested in or what will help you.

  • the living dead?
    Jan. 10, 2008 3:40 p.m.

    Dear Confused -
    Didn't they teach you anything in school (and I'm not talking about Seminary) about symbols and symbolisms? Okay, here goes: you see the universal symbol of Christianity is The Cross and the symbolic meaning of that is ... uh, ...er ... never mind.
    Come on, you don't really think you will someday come popping up out of the ground fully intact like the monsters in Night of The Living Dead?

  • Indiana
    Jan. 10, 2008 3:21 p.m.

    Mark: I know quite a few who can do most of those. I have friends and family members of some of those faiths and I know alot of other people who do to... Generally, I see kindness, curiosity and respect.

  • NorthboundZax
    Jan. 10, 2008 3:12 p.m.

    We as LDS need to own up to our share of the confusion. It seems the Mormon community was far more upset with Huckabee's comment over us believing that Jesus and Satan are brothers, than we were over Mitt's parsing. If we are going to continually play down and parse anything that we think might be the least bit embarrassing we shouldn't be surprised that we are misunderstood.

    Honestly, how many of us are really willing to point to D&C 132 for answers when asked about polygamy, rather than relying on some squishy half-answer that plays it down as much as possible. Until we can address things like Jesus and Satan as brothers, temple oaths, and polygamy head on and without qualification we shouldn't blame others for not understanding LDS belief.

  • Confused
    Jan. 10, 2008 2:51 p.m.

    Anon 2:20 The same thing you say about Arm can be said about you. So why don't you show us the correct way and do it?

    I'll take a Stab -
    One of the things that seperate the Mormons and Evanigical is the fact that they believe the Death on Cross was the Atonement.

    The LDS beleive that the Garden of Gesemany(sp?) was the Atonement and the Death was the sealing of the Atonement.

    That is the LDS do not have a cross. We believe in a LIVING Christ.

  • Mark
    Jan. 10, 2008 2:34 p.m.

    What we seem to forget is that information flows on a two-way street. How many Mormons can ACCURATELY describe the beliefs of Evangelicals, Buddhists, Hindus, and Jews without degrading or stereotyping?

    I have not met many that can.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 2:20 p.m.

    You sound like an angry and bitter man "Arm".
    And blogs like these are duping you into believing you are somehow recapturing some of the personal power you have lost growing up. (we all go through that. Understand it and move on)
    Don't be so afraid of death. It happens to all of us.

  • exclusion is not a good idea
    Jan. 10, 2008 2:09 p.m.

    Personally I like the Catholic notion that everyone is part of the same organization (whether they sprinkle or dunk in baptism) and that the doors are always open to everyone and anyone.
    Nice idea.

  • I'll take a stab
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    I'd like to take a shot at the Christian symbol - The Cross, if I may. (And I am only speaking from my own interpretation.)
    One of the psychological problems in growing old is the fear of death. People resist the door of death.
    I understand that Mormon tradition believes their faithful will bodily rise from the grave. Such is the fear of death.
    The most sophisticated interpretation of why Christ had to be crucified, or chose to be crucified is that of atonement. Christ has to pay for The Fall of Man. So God offered his own son Jesus as the redemption.
    That is quite a beautiful symbol it seems to me - The Cross.
    But I would certainly understand the fear of those who don't want to accept death for the reasons I have already mentioned.

  • Arm of Orion
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:46 p.m.

    anon 1:28 did you read my post@12:53 I stated why there is no cross. We celebrate the life before and after death of Christ not his death. We believe that the Cross is a symbol of his death. The cross is not bad or evil according to us.

    When did I ever say that my religion was better if you are referring to my post@12:57 then you should read the guys post before mine that called Mormons hypocritical using logic that would make every religion hypocritical. So if you were a just person and believed as Understanding apparently does then all religions are hypocritical.

    By the way my name is Arm of ORION just copy and paste it's not that difficult.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:28 p.m.

    Dear Arm of whatever -
    The universal symbol of Christianity is the cross yet I have never seen hide nor hair of anything like this in Mormonland.
    Care to explain?
    Or is this just another one of those "we are a peculiar people" thingies.
    Never mind, I think I've read enough of your "Our religion is better than YOUR religion" childish tirades.

  • Thanks
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:23 p.m.

    Indiana: I was ever so touched by your sermon, I am on the phone with my Bishop as I type. Your right, the Holy Ghost is the "only" way of knowing right from wrong?
    Come on! get serious! Kids should be taught right from wrong by their parents and whatever religious affiliation they choose. I respect your faith, however I don't think that "general understanding" ever said that he stopped studying the LDS teachings. I could be wrong but I re-read his comment and don't remember seeing that? I think it is admorable that this person is willing to learn about others beliefs. Unlike what you sound like, and are to ignorant to look outside of your own?

  • Indiana
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:06 p.m.

    I am so sorry to those of you who grew up in the great organization of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and have since lost your way. Did you quit studying? pondering? praying? Did you begin to think that the ways of the world were more enticing? I am sorry.

    There is a way back home however, it is the same route you took to get lost. Start again to search, ponder and pray. Don't beleive all the drivel you hear out there, just get back into the routine of study, fasting, praying and you will be blessed. If you need to go see your Bishop, please do it and get it over with, you will be better off and much happier if you take these steps.

    I am so glad my kids were baptized at the "ripe old age of 8" so that they could get the Holy Ghost. It has been immensely beneficial to them in helping them to avoid the pitfalls of the world... May all you who have fallen away find your blessings.... God Bless

  • Arm of Orion
    Jan. 10, 2008 12:57 p.m.

    And being baptized at infancy is not a mistake? Being home-schooled, which many protestants do, and told that evolution is wrong by you parent is fine. Having the bible's teachings spun and changed a lot is fine? Or how about brainwashing children to be saved before the age of 10 is that wrong? Believing that there are some predestined to go to heaven and others hell is that wrong? Don't call Mormons Hypocrites, or anyone else for that matter, unless you are willing to call everyone and everything hypocrites.

  • General Understanding?
    Jan. 10, 2008 12:43 p.m.

    Isn't it funny how, when people bury themselves in their "own" religion, they seem to affix the blinders on their eyes and ears to the rest of the world? I am LDS and was brought up LDS, however as I grow older, I realize that I was misinformed in my youth about a lot of the church teachings. I try to educate myself weekly about other religions and beliefs. I have found out that being brainwashed into being baptized at the ripe old age of 8 was a mistake! Let people live a little and learn about LIFE before casting them into a mold they will have an extremely difficult time living up to the LDS expectations! The founder of the church has a complete history of being one of the greatest "story tellers" that ever lived! My general feeling is that the LDS religion has made 1000's of changes to their book since it's inception. WHY??? As we all grow older we find the our past figure heads were WRONG. In the case of the church, they were extremely wrong about many things. Quit being so hypocritical!!!!!

  • Arm of Orion
    Jan. 10, 2008 12:35 p.m.

    I would like to have a discussion from your perspective about the meaning of the Cross. From my end it seems that the cross when I look at it from my angle is a representation of a dying Lord. For me that does not represent what was great about Christ. To me it is his resurrection, which was taught to me in LDS Sunday school, and well there are no physical symbols of it. I would like to see what you believe about the cross from your angle.

  • symbols and meanings
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:49 a.m.

    Sincerest apologies "Arm" I was not referring to the BC Greeks of which you speak, I am speaking of present day.
    I am afraid the young RM and others in the MTC program have been misinformed as to the symbology and meanings of the artworks that sometimes adorn the Catholic churches. I don't think the missionaries actually believe people are that ignorant and affix any "seer-stone-type" magic and worship marble, stone, plaster, paint or wooden elements instead of what the symbol represents.
    If you'd like I would be glad to discuss the symbology of the Christian symbol the crucifix for it is my understanding there are some major areas of misinformation on this symbol as well.
    Peace be with you.

  • Ryan
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:37 a.m.

    I do think it is a little naive of Mr. Davis to suggest that people in general are so against LDS people. A lot of people just don't bother learning about our values. I work at the MTC, and most of what is taught is how missionaries can share their own testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel, as well as how the Holy Ghost can help in bearing witness to those they teach. I do think there are some LDS people act hypocritical for wanting to be understood without wanting to be understanding, but those are individuals making individual mistakes. The church teaches to love and fellowship those who arent members. Some people dont do a very good job of that. The key is to be patient and forgiving.

  • Occam
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:31 a.m.

    I served a mission, and spent nine weeks in the MTC. It is disingenuous to say that the MTC and the Missionary Guide never teach the missionaries how to avoid answering some of the difficult questions facing the Church. The missionary guide that I was given did teach us to shift away from controversial subjects to the core of the discussions.

    And to "For FaithNoMo": just because you had a different experience from somebody else does not automatically mean that that person is fabricating their experience. The MTC and missions in general are different experiences for different people. Just because it wasn't taught when you were there does not mean it was not taught.

  • Arm of Orion
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:30 a.m.

    Take a guess secretive its the backlash. And the fact that we believe in line upon line and precept upon precept. One thing comes after another and all that. A person has to understand the foundation and then they come up in knowledge.

  • Secretive
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:26 a.m.

    My experience is that LDS members are reluctant to talk about their distinguishing beliefs. They'll go on and on about the similarities to main stream Christians, but you can tell they are holding those trump cards... those little bits of beliefs that set them apart. I can't tell if its that they fear backlash, or feel compelled to secrets.

  • SLClifer
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:26 a.m.

    Most of the people raising concerns about the church have looked at the history per the public record. There is reason for concern.

  • Arm of Orion
    Jan. 10, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    poster at 10:55 do you honestly think that the Greeks worshiped the marble that made Zeus or what he represents? I have no beef with Catholics or how they worship. However, I would just like to say that you must believe the same of the pagans and Hindus in their worship services otherwise you are a hypocrite.

  • maybe YOU can correct the wrong
    Jan. 10, 2008 10:55 a.m.

    Speaking of MTC, my stepson who is an RM told me "Catholics worship statues" (addressing the artwork and symbols in the church.
    When I tried to explain that Catholics worship what the statues represent - not mere plaster and paint and stone. He said that is not what they told him in MTC.
    So dear "For FaithNoMo, perhaps YOU might have the power and authority to let the good people at MTC know they are misinformed and are misinforming the missionaries.

  • For FaithNoMo
    Jan. 10, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    Bitter much?

    I spent plenty of time in the MTC.....I'll wager it was more time than you spent (14 weeks due to problems getting a visa) and I never once was taught how to dodge the tough questions. And in the mission field, when someone asked a "tough question", I always tried to answer it truthfully.

    Obviously you've had some issues with the church and I'm sorry about that. But I don't appreciate you fabricating what goes on in the MTC and among missionaries in general.

  • No Mo
    Jan. 10, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    I have no interest in cults or cult behavior.
    Had too many years of it and am now free!
    As a bird.

    Jan. 10, 2008 9:48 a.m.

    Mormon's have no problem belittling and maligning othe religions, but cannot take the heat themselves.

  • Heather
    Jan. 10, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    Mormonism isn't a cult. Mary Kay is a cult.

  • FaithNoMo
    Jan. 10, 2008 9:17 a.m.

    Ben, I think you atre forgetting about the ignorance of the members. A large majority doesn't really know what the church teaches outside of the day to day sugar coated stuff. Missionaries will only answer questions they want you to ask. I went on a mission. They teach you great sales techniques in the MTC. You're taught how to dodge the tough questions, but keep on smiling.
    I don't need to call the missionaries. Sooner or later they'll be bugging me.

  • rolandkayser
    Jan. 10, 2008 8:51 a.m.

    Cults are religions with no political power, it has little to do with doctrines. The doctrines of any religion other than ones own will always seem strange.

  • There are good things
    Jan. 10, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    About all religions, but in my studies and all my years now; I find religion, in general, is not for me. Most of them exclude some people and this is not what a "higher power" would do. "God" to me, is Love.

  • L.G.R.
    Jan. 10, 2008 7:49 a.m.

    "Dialogue must always be constructive and NEVER stoop to the level of name calling or false accusations" YES!
    Truer words have never been spoken. THANKS!

  • Agree
    Jan. 10, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    The above post is correct, but I would like to say that all religions have disagreements. Even in Christianity, there are many disagreements about gays in the ministry, same-sex marriage, women in the clergy, and whether or not some churches (like the Catholic Church) should be considered a cult like Mormonism.

    The importnant thing, no matter what, is that dialouge must always be constructive and never stoop to the level of name calling of false accusations.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 7:21 a.m.

    Actually, we come pre wired such that we have almost everything in common right from the get go. The veneer of religion, I think, creates more differences than similarities.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 10, 2008 6:13 a.m.

    No thanks.
    Cultists hold no interest for me.

  • Gus
    Jan. 10, 2008 1:32 a.m.

    The writer must acknowledge that in addition to having a similar view on many things shared with Americans across the land, Mormons also have beliefs that stand in stark contrast to the religious beliefs of other Christian groups.

    If the LDS church is the fastest growing church in the United States, is that not a statement of how accepted it is? Is the writer implying that growth is not fast enough to suit his claim of misunderstanding? Since Mormons believe that if a person really listens to their teachings and understands them, that listener will certainly join the LDS church because its truths are so evident.

    The question is often reciprocol. Perhaps Mormons should study and learn the beliefs of others (particularly Scientologists, the Moonies, and/or Jehovah Witnesses) lest they show the same misunderstanding of those groups.

    It is not reasonable to listing to some 19 year old giving a prepared speech when real questions go much deeper and may be more controversial. Even Mormons themselves, in general, are in disagreement on what is true and accurate in all their beliefs. Of course, this can be said of all religions, but the writer suggests it is a simple task.