to the other annon, who wants to know about the Christ. Me. A LDS
type. To me the cross means death. I would rather worship a living Christ,
then a dead one.
Dear Anonymous. It is not blind faith or naivete. Ask any good Latter-day
Saint. They'll tell you that they found out for themselves. Joseph Smith was
not perfect, but he did have a perfect message.
To Anonymous | 5:07 p.m.What's there to learn about people who
attack the LDS Church? They believe that in order to feel better about the
person they see in the mirror every day, they have to step on top of as many
people as possible. Usually people they feel jealous or spiteful of.Some call it a superiority complex. I call it dangerous and
destructive. It's the kind of thinking that has inspired people like Hitler. But
let people hate who they want to hate. So long as they don't spread lies,
ridicule their neighbors and co-workers, and encourage their children to hate
other children. (oh, too late)
Don't be to hard on "FaithNoMore." He's simply practicing the time honored,
anti-mormon tradition of "lying with love."That's when a critic of
the LDS Church lies about the Church's teachings and practices, only because
they love members of the LDS Church.
What is there to learn about LDS beliefs?They believe in the word of a
single man who had political ambitions and no substance or evidence to support
him and believe all other religions to be an abomination. 1 Nephi 14.Some
call it blind faith.I call it naivete. But let them believe what they
want. So long as they don't try to force-feed me with their folk-religion or
scare my horses.
Actually I was taught by my Southern Baptist Grandmother and Pentecostal Mother
about the Meaning of the Cross.Do you understand that each religion
that has the cross defines it meanings. Yes the cross is a unviersal sign for
people to know that the person wearing it is a Christian.But it does
not mean each christian believes the Cross to be the same thing. The two
Religions I talked about (as told me by this people) is that the Atonement was
the Cruifiction. Therefore, the difference in beliefs. Now Being LDS
and Having parents and grandparents that are Non LDS, I respect their decisions.
I think they are good people, when they ask me I tell them about my beliefs,
otherwise I don't proach the subject. Something my father (Agnostic) taught me.
Tolerence for all beliefs.Well the popping up out of the grave (as
you call it) was done in during Christ Ressurection, So to aanswe you - Yes I
believe I will be fully ressurected coming forth out of the grave when the time
The more I read these postings the more I am convinced that Mormonism has more
to do with bees, bee-keepers, and beehives than spirituality.It's good to
be the bee-keeper in Mormonism.
In a God, but not a particular type of God. We don't claim to know the nature of
God, but we do believe in some form of Higher Power. We don't usually hold to
any one religion.
The Christianity does not mean the belief in a cross. The very meaning of a
Christian is one who teaches of Christ and follows Christ. As Latter Day Saints
we do not have a cross because although Christ did atone for us in the Garden of
Gethsemane and on the Cross, Christ was infact Resurrected. He Lives even today
with his Father in Heaven. This is indeed an example and a gift to us of
eternal life after death.
You should see them stereotype atheists. Most of them also aren't sure what
agnostics, deists, or pantheists are. I wouldn't say that most people of other
religions (or no religion) do any better. Heck, most people don't know their own
beliefs or even much about them self. What I don't understand is, if people
don't look out and they don't look in, where in the heck are they looking?
Virtually all people are ignorant of most things. Most people would better spend
their time learning something else (perhaps job skills for when your position is
outsourced).The average Mormons understanding of evolution is pretty
poor.How about general relativity?Who can adequately describe
Janism?Can you build a boat from scratch?I'm sure that
everyone has some idea of the one thing that everyone else should really know,
but its only your idea. Learn what you are interested in or what will help you.
Dear Confused -Didn't they teach you anything in school (and I'm not
talking about Seminary) about symbols and symbolisms? Okay, here goes: you see
the universal symbol of Christianity is The Cross and the symbolic meaning of
that is ... uh, ...er ... never mind.Come on, you don't really think you
will someday come popping up out of the ground fully intact like the monsters in
Night of The Living Dead?
Mark: I know quite a few who can do most of those. I have friends and family
members of some of those faiths and I know alot of other people who do to...
Generally, I see kindness, curiosity and respect.
We as LDS need to own up to our share of the confusion. It seems the Mormon
community was far more upset with Huckabee's comment over us believing that
Jesus and Satan are brothers, than we were over Mitt's parsing. If we are going
to continually play down and parse anything that we think might be the least bit
embarrassing we shouldn't be surprised that we are misunderstood.Honestly, how many of us are really willing to point to D&C 132 for answers
when asked about polygamy, rather than relying on some squishy half-answer that
plays it down as much as possible. Until we can address things like Jesus and
Satan as brothers, temple oaths, and polygamy head on and without qualification
we shouldn't blame others for not understanding LDS belief.
Anon 2:20 The same thing you say about Arm can be said about you. So why don't
you show us the correct way and do it?I'll take a Stab -One of
the things that seperate the Mormons and Evanigical is the fact that they
believe the Death on Cross was the Atonement.The LDS beleive that
the Garden of Gesemany(sp?) was the Atonement and the Death was the sealing of
the Atonement.That is the LDS do not have a cross. We believe in a
What we seem to forget is that information flows on a two-way street. How many
Mormons can ACCURATELY describe the beliefs of Evangelicals, Buddhists, Hindus,
and Jews without degrading or stereotyping? I have not met many that
You sound like an angry and bitter man "Arm".And blogs like these are
duping you into believing you are somehow recapturing some of the personal
power you have lost growing up. (we all go through that. Understand it and move
on)Don't be so afraid of death. It happens to all of us.
Personally I like the Catholic notion that everyone is part of the same
organization (whether they sprinkle or dunk in baptism) and that the doors are
always open to everyone and anyone.Nice idea.
I'd like to take a shot at the Christian symbol - The Cross, if I may. (And I am
only speaking from my own interpretation.)One of the psychological
problems in growing old is the fear of death. People resist the door of
death.I understand that Mormon tradition believes their faithful will
bodily rise from the grave. Such is the fear of death.The most
sophisticated interpretation of why Christ had to be crucified, or chose to be
crucified is that of atonement. Christ has to pay for The Fall of Man. So God
offered his own son Jesus as the redemption.That is quite a beautiful
symbol it seems to me - The Cross.But I would certainly understand the
fear of those who don't want to accept death for the reasons I have already
anon 1:28 did you read my [email protected]:53 I stated why there is no cross. We
celebrate the life before and after death of Christ not his death. We believe
that the Cross is a symbol of his death. The cross is not bad or evil according
to us.When did I ever say that my religion was better if you are
referring to my [email protected]:57 then you should read the guys post before mine that
called Mormons hypocritical using logic that would make every religion
hypocritical. So if you were a just person and believed as Understanding
apparently does then all religions are hypocritical.By the way my
name is Arm of ORION just copy and paste it's not that difficult.
Dear Arm of whatever -The universal symbol of Christianity is the cross
yet I have never seen hide nor hair of anything like this in Mormonland.Care to explain?Or is this just another one of those "we are a peculiar
people" thingies.Never mind, I think I've read enough of your "Our
religion is better than YOUR religion" childish tirades.
Indiana: I was ever so touched by your sermon, I am on the phone with my Bishop
as I type. Your right, the Holy Ghost is the "only" way of knowing right from
wrong? Come on! get serious! Kids should be taught right from wrong by
their parents and whatever religious affiliation they choose. I respect your
faith, however I don't think that "general understanding" ever said that he
stopped studying the LDS teachings. I could be wrong but I re-read his comment
and don't remember seeing that? I think it is admorable that this person is
willing to learn about others beliefs. Unlike what you sound like, and are to
ignorant to look outside of your own?
I am so sorry to those of you who grew up in the great organization of the
Gospel of Jesus Christ and have since lost your way. Did you quit studying?
pondering? praying? Did you begin to think that the ways of the world were
more enticing? I am sorry. There is a way back home however, it
is the same route you took to get lost. Start again to search, ponder and pray.
Don't beleive all the drivel you hear out there, just get back into the
routine of study, fasting, praying and you will be blessed. If you need to go
see your Bishop, please do it and get it over with, you will be better off and
much happier if you take these steps. I am so glad my kids were
baptized at the "ripe old age of 8" so that they could get the Holy Ghost. It
has been immensely beneficial to them in helping them to avoid the pitfalls of
the world... May all you who have fallen away find your blessings.... God
And being baptized at infancy is not a mistake? Being home-schooled, which many
protestants do, and told that evolution is wrong by you parent is fine. Having
the bible's teachings spun and changed a lot is fine? Or how about brainwashing
children to be saved before the age of 10 is that wrong? Believing that there
are some predestined to go to heaven and others hell is that wrong? Don't call
Mormons Hypocrites, or anyone else for that matter, unless you are willing to
call everyone and everything hypocrites.
Isn't it funny how, when people bury themselves in their "own" religion, they
seem to affix the blinders on their eyes and ears to the rest of the world? I am
LDS and was brought up LDS, however as I grow older, I realize that I was
misinformed in my youth about a lot of the church teachings. I try to educate
myself weekly about other religions and beliefs. I have found out that being
brainwashed into being baptized at the ripe old age of 8 was a mistake! Let
people live a little and learn about LIFE before casting them into a mold they
will have an extremely difficult time living up to the LDS expectations! The
founder of the church has a complete history of being one of the greatest
"story tellers" that ever lived! My general feeling is that the LDS religion has
made 1000's of changes to their book since it's inception. WHY??? As we all grow
older we find the our past figure heads were WRONG. In the case of the church,
they were extremely wrong about many things. Quit being so hypocritical!!!!!
I would like to have a discussion from your perspective about the meaning of the
Cross. From my end it seems that the cross when I look at it from my angle is a
representation of a dying Lord. For me that does not represent what was great
about Christ. To me it is his resurrection, which was taught to me in LDS Sunday
school, and well there are no physical symbols of it. I would like to see what
you believe about the cross from your angle.
Sincerest apologies "Arm" I was not referring to the BC Greeks of which you
speak, I am speaking of present day.I am afraid the young RM and others in
the MTC program have been misinformed as to the symbology and meanings of the
artworks that sometimes adorn the Catholic churches. I don't think the
missionaries actually believe people are that ignorant and affix any
"seer-stone-type" magic and worship marble, stone, plaster, paint or wooden
elements instead of what the symbol represents. If you'd like I would be
glad to discuss the symbology of the Christian symbol the crucifix for it is my
understanding there are some major areas of misinformation on this symbol as
well.Peace be with you.
I do think it is a little naive of Mr. Davis to suggest that people in general
are so against LDS people. A lot of people just don't bother learning about our
values. I work at the MTC, and most of what is taught is how missionaries can
share their own testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel, as well as how the
Holy Ghost can help in bearing witness to those they teach. I do think there are
some LDS people act hypocritical for wanting to be understood without wanting to
be understanding, but those are individuals making individual mistakes. The
church teaches to love and fellowship those who arent members. Some people dont
do a very good job of that. The key is to be patient and forgiving.
I served a mission, and spent nine weeks in the MTC. It is disingenuous to say
that the MTC and the Missionary Guide never teach the missionaries how to avoid
answering some of the difficult questions facing the Church. The missionary
guide that I was given did teach us to shift away from controversial subjects to
the core of the discussions. And to "For FaithNoMo": just because
you had a different experience from somebody else does not automatically mean
that that person is fabricating their experience. The MTC and missions in
general are different experiences for different people. Just because it wasn't
taught when you were there does not mean it was not taught.
Take a guess secretive its the backlash. And the fact that we believe in line
upon line and precept upon precept. One thing comes after another and all that.
A person has to understand the foundation and then they come up in knowledge.
My experience is that LDS members are reluctant to talk about their
distinguishing beliefs. They'll go on and on about the similarities to main
stream Christians, but you can tell they are holding those trump cards... those
little bits of beliefs that set them apart. I can't tell if its that they fear
backlash, or feel compelled to secrets.
Most of the people raising concerns about the church have looked at the history
per the public record. There is reason for concern.
poster at 10:55 do you honestly think that the Greeks worshiped the marble that
made Zeus or what he represents? I have no beef with Catholics or how they
worship. However, I would just like to say that you must believe the same of the
pagans and Hindus in their worship services otherwise you are a hypocrite.
Speaking of MTC, my stepson who is an RM told me "Catholics worship statues"
(addressing the artwork and symbols in the church.When I tried to explain
that Catholics worship what the statues represent - not mere plaster and paint
and stone. He said that is not what they told him in MTC.So dear "For
FaithNoMo, perhaps YOU might have the power and authority to let the good people
at MTC know they are misinformed and are misinforming the missionaries.
Bitter much?I spent plenty of time in the MTC.....I'll wager it was
more time than you spent (14 weeks due to problems getting a visa) and I never
once was taught how to dodge the tough questions. And in the mission field,
when someone asked a "tough question", I always tried to answer it
truthfully.Obviously you've had some issues with the church and I'm
sorry about that. But I don't appreciate you fabricating what goes on in the
MTC and among missionaries in general.
I have no interest in cults or cult behavior.Had too many years of it and
am now free!As a bird.
Mormon's have no problem belittling and maligning othe religions, but cannot
take the heat themselves.
Mormonism isn't a cult. Mary Kay is a cult.
Ben, I think you atre forgetting about the ignorance of the members. A large
majority doesn't really know what the church teaches outside of the day to day
sugar coated stuff. Missionaries will only answer questions they want you to
ask. I went on a mission. They teach you great sales techniques in the MTC.
You're taught how to dodge the tough questions, but keep on smiling.I
don't need to call the missionaries. Sooner or later they'll be bugging me.
Cults are religions with no political power, it has little to do with doctrines.
The doctrines of any religion other than ones own will always seem strange.
About all religions, but in my studies and all my years now; I find religion, in
general, is not for me. Most of them exclude some people and this is not what a
"higher power" would do. "God" to me, is Love.
"Dialogue must always be constructive and NEVER stoop to the level of name
calling or false accusations" YES! Truer words have never been spoken.
The above post is correct, but I would like to say that all religions have
disagreements. Even in Christianity, there are many disagreements about gays in
the ministry, same-sex marriage, women in the clergy, and whether or not some
churches (like the Catholic Church) should be considered a cult like
Mormonism.The importnant thing, no matter what, is that dialouge
must always be constructive and never stoop to the level of name calling of
Actually, we come pre wired such that we have almost everything in common right
from the get go. The veneer of religion, I think, creates more differences than
No thanks.Cultists hold no interest for me.
The writer must acknowledge that in addition to having a similar view on many
things shared with Americans across the land, Mormons also have beliefs that
stand in stark contrast to the religious beliefs of other Christian groups.If the LDS church is the fastest growing church in the United States, is
that not a statement of how accepted it is? Is the writer implying that growth
is not fast enough to suit his claim of misunderstanding? Since Mormons believe
that if a person really listens to their teachings and understands them, that
listener will certainly join the LDS church because its truths are so
evident.The question is often reciprocol. Perhaps Mormons should
study and learn the beliefs of others (particularly Scientologists, the Moonies,
and/or Jehovah Witnesses) lest they show the same misunderstanding of those
groups.It is not reasonable to listing to some 19 year old giving a
prepared speech when real questions go much deeper and may be more
controversial. Even Mormons themselves, in general, are in disagreement on what
is true and accurate in all their beliefs. Of course, this can be said of all
religions, but the writer suggests it is a simple task.